Minneapolis shooting - who's to blame?

[task0778]

This was a tragedy that should not have happened, and IMHO there are a number of people who deserve some blame for what transpired, starting with the shooter. He took out his gun, did she see it? If so, the prudent thing to do is to do as she's told by the ICE agents without resistance. She doesn't, tries to leave. I do not believe she ever had any intent to injure the ICE guy, she just wanted to get outta there. Even if she didn't see the gun, there comes a point where you gotta stop what you're doing. Put the car in Part and turn off the car and then unlock the door. Truth is, she crossed the line between exercising her 1st Amendment Rights and obstructing ICE agents doing their duty. Woulda been better for everybody except maybe the motherfucking mayor and governor if she had stayed outta the street.

Then there's the shooter, who was dragged last June. So help me, I don't see him acting in self-defense, he woulda been hyper-aware of the driver and the car and IMHO was prepared to get out of the way. Instead, he draws his gun. I think he was concerned about the ICE agent with his hand inside the car trying to open the door. He didn't want his fellow officer to get dragged like he did 6 months ago. If so, that's legit. What I don't know is at what point the non-shooter agent was free from the car. If neither agent was in danger of serious injury at that point then there's no reason to shoot the driver.

I kinda have a problem with the motherfucking mayor and governor and the other demagogues that were stirring up the pot and raising emotions. All that fiery rhetoric absolutely helps nothing except make those assholes more popular to their political base. But that's how you get people on the ground making mistakes and errors in judgement. It's hard for me to justify impeding LE people who are doing their jobs; protest if you want but stay on the ******* sidewalk, ICE has every right and even a duty to arrest those who obstruct them in the performance of their duty. Don't like it? Don't agree? Tough shit. Vote next November. Bring a lawsuit. But don't put yourself in harm's way. When you see a gun it's time to reassess what you're doing.

Where was the ******* MPD? They shoulda been there doing crowd control. Did you see any cops? I haven't. Maybe if a cop had told her to move her car instead of the ICE guy, things woulda been different? We'll never know. Move now or I'll arrest you. Sometimes it works. Maybe the ICE shooter wouldn't have been in the position he was, maybe it woulda been a cop. Who knows, maybe there wouldn't have been a shooting.

 

[Marener]

MPD had better things to do than get worked up about a far blocking a lane of a two lane road.

Sometimes cars block a lane. Just do what I do. Go around.

 

[Mac-7]

The dead lesbian is to blame

 

[80zephyr]

MPD had better things to do than get worked up about a far blocking a lane of a two lane road.

Sometimes cars block a lane. Just do what I do. Go around.

It was intentional. It was to impede ICE. A cop should have arrested her.

 

[Marener]

It was intentional. It was to impede ICE. A cop should have arrested her.

Intent not yet established. I think her intent was to troll.

How impeded were they? Not at all.

 

[80zephyr]

Intent not yet established. I think her intent was to troll.

How impeded were they? Not at all.

She is in traffic. Thats impeding.

 

[Marener]

She is in traffic. Thats impeding.

In the literal sense of the word, they were not impeded.

She was guilty of making them use the left lane. If the cops were so obsessed with getting back to hassling minorities, they would have just gone around.

But their intent wasn’t to remove an impediment. It was to best a woman into submission.

 

[dblack]

Ther dead lesbian is to blame

She was a terrorist!!!! Trying my to kill ICE agents!!!! OMG!!!!

 

[Mac-7]

MPD had better things to do than get worked up about a far blocking a lane of a two lane road.

Sometimes cars block a lane. Just do what I do. Go around.

Better things to do than clearing away 3 wrecked cars and hauling one dead lesbian to the morgue?

 

[citygator]

What new value does this thread add that a simple post couldnt get across inside any of the other dozen threads on this? Posters should self monitor much better than this nonsense.

 

[80zephyr]

In the literal sense of the word, they were not impeded.

She was guilty of making them use the left lane. If the cops were so obsessed with getting back to hassling minorities, they would have just gone around.

But their intent wasn’t to remove an impediment. It was to best a woman into submission.

I would have arrested her, just like the cop who told her to get out of the car was gonna do.

 

[Rogue AI]

Sanctuary policies are to blame. If ICE could just pick these criminals up at secure jails and courthouses they wouldn't be out in neighborhoods. Pretty sure even local cops would have stopped her if she drove her SUV into the jail.

Had local cops been assisting they would have handled a traffic violation. Which by no means ensures she wouldn't have attacked and very likely ended in the same result.

At the scene, it was her actions that got her killed. Don't weaponize your vehicle and conduct terrorist attacks on federal agents and don't get shot. Pretty simple really.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

The entire thrust of Democrat demagoguery is to convince disparate minorities that they are victims of society at large and are not responsible for their own actions since the Democrat party will back them up no matter what they do. They do this, not out of any need to govern responsibly, but merely to get elected so as to start feeding at the financial trough that politics provides them.

This idiot woman bought into the sense of entitlement the Democrat party offered her, but she is just one of untold millions who never question how she is being manipulated.

 

[Marener]

Better things to do than clearing away 3 wrecked cars and hauling one dead lesbian to the morgue?

All of which occurred because ICE couldn’t have used the left and and continued on their way.

The police don’t want to have to deal with the chaos these thugs are causing.

 

[Marener]

I would have arrested her, just like the cop who told her to get out of the car was gonna do.

Beating women into submission is more important than arresting illegals?

But they’re not arresting many illegals anyway. Just hassling minorities who dare to go out in public.

 

[task0778]

In the literal sense of the word, they were not impeded.

She was guilty of making them use the left lane. If the cops were so obsessed with getting back to hassling minorities, they would have just gone around.

But their intent wasn’t to remove an impediment. It was to best a woman into submission.

She moved her car to partially block traffic and slow it down. All traffic, including the ICE agents, thus making their jobs harder and longer to do. Which obviously was her intent. WTF do you think she was doing out there?


If the cops were so obsessed with getting back to hassling minorities,
Absolute bullshit.



"But their intent wasn’t to remove an impediment. It was to best a woman into submission."

Absolute bullshit.

 

[wamose]

The way this woman led her life is an indication that she was a very confused person. Unfortunately, her friends and family couldn't straighten her out. In fact, that thing she called a wife encouraged the act that led to her death. But the whole thing would have been a non issue if big mouthed politicians, Walz and Frey, didn't incite these jerkoffs against the great agents of ICE. And the whole thing was just Walz's and Frey's way of diverting attention away from the Somalian daycare scandals that they were both involved in. W & F never gave a shit about the victim or the people of Minnesota.

 

[Mac-7]

All of which occurred because ICE couldn’t have used the left and and continued on their way.

The police don’t want to have to deal with the chaos these thugs are causing.

She was acting recklessly with her car

 

[Marener]

She moved her car to partially block traffic and slow it down. All traffic, including the ICE agents, this making their jobs harder and longer to do. Which obviously was her intent. WTF do you think she was doing out there?


If the cops were so obsessed with getting back to hassling minorities,
Absolute bullshit.



"But their intent wasn’t to remove an impediment. It was to best a woman into submission."

Absolute bullshit.

It wasn’t a busy street. There wasn’t some stack of traffic behind her. There were two lanes. She blocked one.

How much harder and longer was it to take the left lane? You probably don’t want to admit this, but the answer is not at all.

Hassling minorities? Yes. That’s exactly what they’re doing. Walking up to minorities and demanding their documents.

Beat a woman into submission? Yes. That’s exactly what they’re doing. They want people afraid of them. They want people to know that they will do whatever they want and there’s nothing you can do about it.

 

[Unkotare]

Can't anyone fix the thread title?