Hellbilly
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Nice cover.You’re asking me what you meant?Am I? Where?
That's my way of mocking your silly question.
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Nice cover.You’re asking me what you meant?Am I? Where?
That's my way of mocking your silly question.
Are you saying skilled workers are only worth $15 an hour?
One might assume then, that you have the necessary skills to command $15/hr for at least 5 hours., or maybe you live in a high labor cost area. Others may not possess the skills you do and if they live in a low cost of living area then they will not get a job at that rate. Nobody is going to pay you $15/hr to flip burgers. Unless that is, you double the price of a burger.I don't get dressed for less than $15.00 an hour for a minimum of 5 hour shift. And that's if I don't have to drive very far to get to work. Want me to drive further pay more.An hour of a persons life isn’t worth $15?He's right. People with no skills, no experience, no education...aren't worth $15.
Not always......obviously.
Another narrative that people don't seem to understand is that not every business model can support $15.00 an hour. Period. Small businesses will be hurt by enforcing this.One might assume then, that you have the necessary skills to command $15/hr for at least 5 hours., or maybe you live in a high labor cost area. Others may not possess the skills you do and if they live in a low cost of living area then they will not get a job at that rate. Nobody is going to pay you $15/hr to flip burgers. Unless that is, you double the price of a burger.I don't get dressed for less than $15.00 an hour for a minimum of 5 hour shift. And that's if I don't have to drive very far to get to work. Want me to drive further pay more.An hour of a persons life isn’t worth $15?He's right. People with no skills, no experience, no education...aren't worth $15.
Not always......obviously.
"An hour of a persons life isn’t worth $15?"
People on the Left (some of them) do not seem to grasp the reality that a person's wage is dependent on the value of his labor in relation to the enterprise he or she is working for. If an employer requires certain skills that are in short supply, they will pay more for them (a higher wage) IF a cost/benefit analysis shows that decision to be profitable. Otherwise, the employer will look for alternatives, such as automation or contracting out certain functions. Or they move parts of the enterprise off shore or to a RTW state perhaps. If they can, the employer will raise their prices if they can, but if none of these alternatives proved viable then they'll go out of business.
I wish the Lefties would or could understand that a person's wage cannot be reviewed out of the context of the job they do and the skills needed to do that job. And that if the gov't interferes with the the costs of labor or anything else then the economy as a whole is distorted to some extent and becomes less efficient and that leads to higher prices and fewer jobs. And THAT leads to lower productivity and a lower standard of living for everybody except the super-rich.
able to pay your monthly rent with 1 weeks pay check.Another narrative that people don't seem to understand is that not every business model can support $15.00 an hour. Period. Small businesses will be hurt by enforcing this.One might assume then, that you have the necessary skills to command $15/hr for at least 5 hours., or maybe you live in a high labor cost area. Others may not possess the skills you do and if they live in a low cost of living area then they will not get a job at that rate. Nobody is going to pay you $15/hr to flip burgers. Unless that is, you double the price of a burger.I don't get dressed for less than $15.00 an hour for a minimum of 5 hour shift. And that's if I don't have to drive very far to get to work. Want me to drive further pay more.An hour of a persons life isn’t worth $15?He's right. People with no skills, no experience, no education...aren't worth $15.
Not always......obviously.
"An hour of a persons life isn’t worth $15?"
People on the Left (some of them) do not seem to grasp the reality that a person's wage is dependent on the value of his labor in relation to the enterprise he or she is working for. If an employer requires certain skills that are in short supply, they will pay more for them (a higher wage) IF a cost/benefit analysis shows that decision to be profitable. Otherwise, the employer will look for alternatives, such as automation or contracting out certain functions. Or they move parts of the enterprise off shore or to a RTW state perhaps. If they can, the employer will raise their prices if they can, but if none of these alternatives proved viable then they'll go out of business.
I wish the Lefties would or could understand that a person's wage cannot be reviewed out of the context of the job they do and the skills needed to do that job. And that if the gov't interferes with the the costs of labor or anything else then the economy as a whole is distorted to some extent and becomes less efficient and that leads to higher prices and fewer jobs. And THAT leads to lower productivity and a lower standard of living for everybody except the super-rich.
Raising minimum wage is not the answer to fixing the poverty problem. Training, education, and obtaining skills that demand higher wages is the answer. But that requires the individual to want to pursue those skills.
The other narrative, "Livable Wage". What the hell is that and can someone define for me what that livable wage since the cost of living across this country swings drastically from one state to the next?
What determines where you live? Where you WANT to live or where you CAN live?able to pay your monthly rent with 1 weeks pay check.Another narrative that people don't seem to understand is that not every business model can support $15.00 an hour. Period. Small businesses will be hurt by enforcing this.One might assume then, that you have the necessary skills to command $15/hr for at least 5 hours., or maybe you live in a high labor cost area. Others may not possess the skills you do and if they live in a low cost of living area then they will not get a job at that rate. Nobody is going to pay you $15/hr to flip burgers. Unless that is, you double the price of a burger.I don't get dressed for less than $15.00 an hour for a minimum of 5 hour shift. And that's if I don't have to drive very far to get to work. Want me to drive further pay more.An hour of a persons life isn’t worth $15?He's right. People with no skills, no experience, no education...aren't worth $15.
Not always......obviously.
"An hour of a persons life isn’t worth $15?"
People on the Left (some of them) do not seem to grasp the reality that a person's wage is dependent on the value of his labor in relation to the enterprise he or she is working for. If an employer requires certain skills that are in short supply, they will pay more for them (a higher wage) IF a cost/benefit analysis shows that decision to be profitable. Otherwise, the employer will look for alternatives, such as automation or contracting out certain functions. Or they move parts of the enterprise off shore or to a RTW state perhaps. If they can, the employer will raise their prices if they can, but if none of these alternatives proved viable then they'll go out of business.
I wish the Lefties would or could understand that a person's wage cannot be reviewed out of the context of the job they do and the skills needed to do that job. And that if the gov't interferes with the the costs of labor or anything else then the economy as a whole is distorted to some extent and becomes less efficient and that leads to higher prices and fewer jobs. And THAT leads to lower productivity and a lower standard of living for everybody except the super-rich.
Raising minimum wage is not the answer to fixing the poverty problem. Training, education, and obtaining skills that demand higher wages is the answer. But that requires the individual to want to pursue those skills.
The other narrative, "Livable Wage". What the hell is that and can someone define for me what that livable wage since the cost of living across this country swings drastically from one state to the next?
Where you work.What determines where you live? Where you WANT to live or where you CAN live?able to pay your monthly rent with 1 weeks pay check.Another narrative that people don't seem to understand is that not every business model can support $15.00 an hour. Period. Small businesses will be hurt by enforcing this.One might assume then, that you have the necessary skills to command $15/hr for at least 5 hours., or maybe you live in a high labor cost area. Others may not possess the skills you do and if they live in a low cost of living area then they will not get a job at that rate. Nobody is going to pay you $15/hr to flip burgers. Unless that is, you double the price of a burger.I don't get dressed for less than $15.00 an hour for a minimum of 5 hour shift. And that's if I don't have to drive very far to get to work. Want me to drive further pay more.An hour of a persons life isn’t worth $15?He's right. People with no skills, no experience, no education...aren't worth $15.
Not always......obviously.
"An hour of a persons life isn’t worth $15?"
People on the Left (some of them) do not seem to grasp the reality that a person's wage is dependent on the value of his labor in relation to the enterprise he or she is working for. If an employer requires certain skills that are in short supply, they will pay more for them (a higher wage) IF a cost/benefit analysis shows that decision to be profitable. Otherwise, the employer will look for alternatives, such as automation or contracting out certain functions. Or they move parts of the enterprise off shore or to a RTW state perhaps. If they can, the employer will raise their prices if they can, but if none of these alternatives proved viable then they'll go out of business.
I wish the Lefties would or could understand that a person's wage cannot be reviewed out of the context of the job they do and the skills needed to do that job. And that if the gov't interferes with the the costs of labor or anything else then the economy as a whole is distorted to some extent and becomes less efficient and that leads to higher prices and fewer jobs. And THAT leads to lower productivity and a lower standard of living for everybody except the super-rich.
Raising minimum wage is not the answer to fixing the poverty problem. Training, education, and obtaining skills that demand higher wages is the answer. But that requires the individual to want to pursue those skills.
The other narrative, "Livable Wage". What the hell is that and can someone define for me what that livable wage since the cost of living across this country swings drastically from one state to the next?
Task0778, cc of letter to Senator Schumer: I’m a proponent of gradually increasing the minimum wage rate to eventually reach 125% of its February-1968 purchasing power; thereafter it should be monitored and annually upgraded (if necessary ), to retain no less than 125% of 125% of its February-1968 purchasing power.
CBO reports regarding the federal minimum wage rate are not detrimental to the proposed “Raise the Wage Act”, but they were drafted in manners that better enables opponents of minimum wage rates.
CBO reports of family total incomes without differentiating or identifying wages portions of those incomes. Incomes of all lower income families are projected to be increased, but their proportional increases do not reflect the proportional increases due to wages replacing incomes derived from other than wage incomes.
To the extent of minimum wage rate’s purchasing power and enforcement, it reduces numbers and extents of poverty among wage earners and their dependents. Minimum wage rate only substantially affects all employees earning rates within the lowest bracket of wage rates, but increasing those rates would in turn be of substantial benefit to our nation’s economic and social well-being. We all do better when we all do better.
I don't believe CBO favors Republicans. I speculate to what extent CBO's less than full disclosure of minimum wage rate increases consequences were due to Republicans' cleverness, or to less diligence by speaker of the house Pelosi and yourself, (currently majority leader of the senate)? Democrats must now confront and are obliged to explain CBO's reports.
Respectfully, Supposn
Whining ToddsterPatriot, Congressional Budget Office, (CBO) reports indicate otherwise.Raising it to $15 would be a net negative.
It would most harm those workers with no skills or experience.
Whining ToddsterPatriot, Congressional Budget Office, (CBO) reports indicate otherwise.Raising it to $15 would be a net negative.
It would most harm those workers with no skills or experience.
I would suppose lower income families' wage earners are generally earners of low wage rates. CBO projects proportional increases of total incomes among all of their brackets of low-income families, and the greatest proportional increases among families within CBO's reported lowest brackets of family incomes.
Respectfully, Supposn
Task0778, cc of letter to Senator Schumer: I’m a proponent of gradually increasing the minimum wage rate to eventually reach 125% of its February-1968 purchasing power; thereafter it should be monitored and annually upgraded (if necessary ), to retain no less than 125% of 125% of its February-1968 purchasing power.
CBO reports regarding the federal minimum wage rate are not detrimental to the proposed “Raise the Wage Act”, but they were drafted in manners that better enables opponents of minimum wage rates.
CBO reports of family total incomes without differentiating or identifying wages portions of those incomes. Incomes of all lower income families are projected to be increased, but their proportional increases do not reflect the proportional increases due to wages replacing incomes derived from other than wage incomes.
To the extent of minimum wage rate’s purchasing power and enforcement, it reduces numbers and extents of poverty among wage earners and their dependents. Minimum wage rate only substantially affects all employees earning rates within the lowest bracket of wage rates, but increasing those rates would in turn be of substantial benefit to our nation’s economic and social well-being. We all do better when we all do better.
I don't believe CBO favors Republicans. I speculate to what extent CBO's less than full disclosure of minimum wage rate increases consequences were due to Republicans' cleverness, or to less diligence by speaker of the house Pelosi and yourself, (currently majority leader of the senate)? Democrats must now confront and are obliged to explain CBO's reports.
Respectfully, Supposn
Raising it to $15 would be a net negative.
It would most harm those workers with no skills or experience.
That makes no sense... "Where you work". That implies that every job within a certain economical demographic has to be able to afford the same pay. This implies that a fast food franchise owner (not a big corporation as some believe) can afford to pay the same as let's say a tech company with much larger sales and revenues and also needs skilled employees. Also, what's to stop the large tech company, capable of paying higher wagers, withholding those higher wages because they are paying this so called "livable wage" and keeping most of the profits?Where you work.What determines where you live? Where you WANT to live or where you CAN live?able to pay your monthly rent with 1 weeks pay check.Another narrative that people don't seem to understand is that not every business model can support $15.00 an hour. Period. Small businesses will be hurt by enforcing this.One might assume then, that you have the necessary skills to command $15/hr for at least 5 hours., or maybe you live in a high labor cost area. Others may not possess the skills you do and if they live in a low cost of living area then they will not get a job at that rate. Nobody is going to pay you $15/hr to flip burgers. Unless that is, you double the price of a burger.I don't get dressed for less than $15.00 an hour for a minimum of 5 hour shift. And that's if I don't have to drive very far to get to work. Want me to drive further pay more.An hour of a persons life isn’t worth $15?He's right. People with no skills, no experience, no education...aren't worth $15.
Not always......obviously.
"An hour of a persons life isn’t worth $15?"
People on the Left (some of them) do not seem to grasp the reality that a person's wage is dependent on the value of his labor in relation to the enterprise he or she is working for. If an employer requires certain skills that are in short supply, they will pay more for them (a higher wage) IF a cost/benefit analysis shows that decision to be profitable. Otherwise, the employer will look for alternatives, such as automation or contracting out certain functions. Or they move parts of the enterprise off shore or to a RTW state perhaps. If they can, the employer will raise their prices if they can, but if none of these alternatives proved viable then they'll go out of business.
I wish the Lefties would or could understand that a person's wage cannot be reviewed out of the context of the job they do and the skills needed to do that job. And that if the gov't interferes with the the costs of labor or anything else then the economy as a whole is distorted to some extent and becomes less efficient and that leads to higher prices and fewer jobs. And THAT leads to lower productivity and a lower standard of living for everybody except the super-rich.
Raising minimum wage is not the answer to fixing the poverty problem. Training, education, and obtaining skills that demand higher wages is the answer. But that requires the individual to want to pursue those skills.
The other narrative, "Livable Wage". What the hell is that and can someone define for me what that livable wage since the cost of living across this country swings drastically from one state to the next?
The other narrative, "Livable Wage". What the hell is that and can someone define for me what that livable wage since the cost of living across this country swings drastically from one state to the next?
task0778, the federal minimum wage rate's A MINIMUM, but it's not THE MINIMUM wage rate for our entire nation.As stated above, this issue is primarily political; since one size clearly does not fit all, and the federal gov't has no business interfering with whatever an employer and an employee in the 1st place, what we actually have is yet another ploy by the democrats to get votes. ...
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In relation to workplace productivity and earning money for the company, then no. They aren't.An hour of a persons life isn’t worth $15?
"Wealth under capitalism seeps from the rich to the poor with a reduction in taxes on the rich (the main postulate of the trickle-down economy)"A huge study of 50 years of tax cuts for the wealthy suggests 'trickle-down' economics makes inequality worse
Cutting taxes boosts incomes for the wealthy "but has little effect on economic performance," the academics David Hope and Julian Limberg said.www.businessinsider.com
"It doesn't leak. The rich build spaceships for themselves instead"
When was the last time you or anyone else got hired by a poor man to do a job? A real job that is sustainable. Where do you think the capital comes from to create a business enterprise? No capital means no business, no economic growth, and no jobs. Do you really think a bank will lend you a bunch of money when all you got is an idea? No my friend, banks don't lend money without some kind of collateral, meaning something they can use to cover their loss if your idea goes bust."It doesn't leak. The rich build spaceships for themselves instead"