Minimum wage is already “livable”

[Lisa558]

Your friend is an idiot. She could easily get twice that much

$1200 for a ROOM? She pays less than $2000 for a three-level townhouse. Three bedrooms and four bathrooms.

 

[Lisa558]

Yes
I was a minority in PG for over 20 years. We got along fine and worked together as one until Barry Kenya stirred the pot and released the hounds of “police stupid” That created the “vent” environment and when TDS set in all fake emotional hell broke loose.

I guessed it. Lots of dual-income government workers, easily bringing in $200,000. People who think blacks are all these oppressed victims need to look around the DC suburbs.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

$1200 for a ROOM? She pays less than $2000 for a three-level townhouse. Three bedrooms and four bathrooms.

Yes, for a room.

These are all rooms, not houses or apartments, just a single room.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

$1200 for a ROOM? She pays less than $2000 for a three-level townhouse. Three bedrooms and four bathrooms.

what town 25 miles from DC has rent that cheap?

 

[Lisa558]

what town 25 miles from DC has rent that cheap?

Germantown, MD.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Germantown, MD.

She could make a lot more money than she is....

 

[Lisa558]

She could make a lot more money than she is....

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You‘re a bit of a know-it-all. Maybe the neighborhood isn’t so desirable; maybe her house is outdated. She‘s getting market.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I keep hearing the left say that minimum wage, which is what the lowest 2% of Americans earn, needs to be increased to where it provides a “livable“ wage. The disconnect comes in what is considered livable - even for teens who barely squeaked through high school and have no job skills beyond that which can be taught to a middle schooler in half a day.

The left considers “livable” to be a middle class existence - a decent one-bedroom apartment, a car, a vacation. Where they miss is that is the level to which people should ASPIRE, and the desire to do so is what incentivizes one to get some vocational training (at a minimum).

To me, “livable” is how every member of my family lived when we were first starting out: either renting a room in someone’s house, or sharing a two- or three-bedroom apartment with others. I considered myself “living” doing that - I took the subway to work, did my job, bought groceries, and other basics.

And THAT is the lifestyle of someone right out of college, earning starting wages, or of a new high school graduate who has no real job skills to offer. In the case of the former, it will be temporary; in the case of the latter, it is rarely permanent as most people acquire job skills with experience.

Waaaay less is livable, really. I mean, look.. every single one of them is alive.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

How do you know what her townhouse is like?

You‘re a bit of a know-it-all. Maybe the neighborhood isn’t so desirable; maybe her house is outdated. She‘s getting market.

Look at the map, prices are higher everywhere around there, the neighborhood does not seem to matter.

There is not one listed that low, not one.

 

[Lisa558]

Look at the map, prices are higher everywhere around there, the neighborhood does not seem to matter.

There is not one listed that low, not one.

Well, maybe it’s the condition of her townhouse. Same kitchen since 1985. Who knows? That is what she’s getting.

 

[Lisa558]

Waaaay less is livable, really. I mean, look.. every single one of them is alive.

Living in a tent is not equivalent to sharing a three-bedroom, air-conditioned apartment. Get a grip.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Living in a tent is not equivalent to sharing a three-bedroom, air-conditioned apartment. Get a grip.

Yes I get that. But pointing a people making minimum wage and telling them to move where they can do that and hey, don't have kids is not going to work. So maybe rejoin us in reality.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

where the heck is this? Cannot get a room for 625 a month around here

This is the east suburbs of Cleveland Ohio. Granted I could get more, but I've been doing this nearly 30 years, and I found the best success by keeping my places more than competitive for good tenants. What kills us landlords are empty units, especially in a city that requires rental inspections for $225.00 before any new tenant moves in.

I would say at most I could probably get around $700.00 a month. But my policy is to not increase rents unless I have to for good current tenants which all of mine are. If a unit is vacated, then I increase the price for somebody new unless it's a family member or friend of the previous tenant.

 

[Lisa558]

Yes I get that. But pointing a people making minimum wage and telling them to move where they can do that and hey, don't have kids is not going to work. So maybe rejoin us in reality.

No, telling people “awwww…..you don‘t want to move to where you can afford to rent a room and still want to have kids? OK! Here’s some other people’s money so you can do whatever you want.”

I saw it done in every member of my parents’ families - dad, uncle, and all his male friends (whom I know because they remained friends). My mom continued to live with her parents because that’s what “good girls” did, but the guys - out and to a town they could afford, where they could get a job that allowed them to rent a little room while they worked up the ladder. (All were college grads, and from dirt-poor families.)

So why is today different? Housing subsidies, government support payments for children, food stamps, free breakfast, free lunch, etc., etc. It has enabled a generation of entitled, unmotivated, irresponsible people who figure they don’t need to acquire any job training since other people will cover their expenses. And with liberals convincing them there’s no shame in that.

 

[danielpalos]

Would women as a class have any problem with equal protection of the law for unemployment compensation on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States?

What if, you could claim a child care tax consideration while unemployed?

 

[Lisa558]

Would women as a class have any problem with equal protection of the law for unemployment compensation on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States?

What if, you could claim a child care tax consideration while unemployed?

The socialist Democrats already did that. Unemployed mothers, even those who are on welfare, now get the child tax credit. But it’s misnamed to make it more palatable. There doesn’t have to be any tax liability to offset it. It’s just welfare, pure and simple.

The half of all people who pay no taxes, if they have children, are getting other people’s money at $3600 per child if under six, and $3000 if over six. So a family with two over-6s and two under-sixes is getting $13,200 a year - and they don’t have to pay taxes on it. So it’s basically the equivalent of a minimum wage, full-time job. This is why people won’t work.

 

[danielpalos]

What if, the unemployment compensation rate was the equivalent to fifteen dollars an hour? Would it be more worthwhile for some parents to stay home to reduce childcare expenses?

 

[Lisa558]

What if, the unemployment compensation rate was the equivalent to fifteen dollars an hour? Would it be more worthwhile for some parents to stay home to reduce childcare expenses?

So you want the minimum “pay” for not working to be MORE than a job pays? Things are bad enough with all the freebies. Unemployment should be going the OTHER way - with 10 million jobs unfilled, you have no excuse to be unemployed at all.

 

[danielpalos]

So you want the minimum “pay” for not working to be MORE than a job pays?

I am not sure what you mean under any form of Capitalism. Market based metrics are simply that. It is up to the capitalist to achieve a more optimum equilibrium.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

If You're Not a Union Man, You're Not a Man at All

The plutocratic parasites' lie that higher wages cause higher prices is defective reasoning. The increase in cost can also be taken out of profits. In fact, it has to be, because a customer is not going to pay more just out of sympathy with the bosses being picked on by their employees. Profits are not set in stone, as the scabs imply. The boss or owner cannot be trusted to fairly determine what his profit should be by the imaginary rules of economics; he is too self-interested to follow that dogma of the mythical free market.