Minimum Wage Increase: They Never Talks About the SALES

[paulitician]

Don't worry about it. The usual suspect fat greedy old white Republicans will bitch & moan for awhile, but then they'll shut up and deal with it. They won't be doing the work themselves. They'll still be hiring workers. The sky won't fall. I promise.

Your posting style has become really strident and repetitive over the years. You don't even really seem to read the posts you respond to anymore, other than to get a general idea of whether they are "for" or "against". Then you just repeat some slogans with gratuitous insult attached.

Wouldn't it be more fun to have an actual discussion?

Fuck the fat greedy old white Republicans. Time to STFU and pay a worker a survivable wage. I don't give a shite about them and their feelings. Just like they don't give a shite about anyone else. They can shut up, and pay up. Period, end of story.

 

[hadit]

Don't worry about it. The usual suspect fat greedy old white Republicans will bitch & moan for awhile, but then they'll shut up and deal with it. They won't be doing the work themselves. They'll still be hiring workers. The sky won't fall. I promise.

Your posting style has become really strident and repetitive over the years. You don't even really seem to read the posts you respond to anymore, other than to get a general idea of whether they are "for" or "against". Then you just repeat some slogans with gratuitous insult attached.

Wouldn't it be more fun to have an actual discussion?

Fuck the fat greedy old white Republicans. Time to STFU and pay a worker a survivable wage. I don't give a shite about them and their feelings. Just like they don't give a shite about anyone else. So they can shut up, and pay up. Period, end of story.

You sound bitter. Let it go, you'll feel better.

 

[paulitician]

Now you're finally gettin it. Various numerous more significant variables, play a part in causing a business to go under. You have not presented even one example of a business going under due to the Minimum Wage. Because it doesn't happen. There a lots of reasons businesses go under, but Minimum Wage isn't one of them.

I can find dozens of storefronts of closed businesses near my home, because they didn't earn enough to pay their minimum wage workers. Durr.

Did you ask them? Because i seriously doubt the Minimum Wage has caused them to go under. They're going under because they failed. Minimum Wage isn't to blame for that. They are.

MW is a business cost. Raise it, and you raise every business's costs. The business then has to choose how to deal with the new artificially imposed cost increase. It can raise prices or cut expenses. If the market won't tolerate increased prices, expenses will be cut elsewhere, and since labor is the typically biggest cost a company has, hours get cut, jobs get cut, or expansion plans are put on hold. To make your repeated statements that increasing the MW true, you would have to be able to raise it to $100/hr immediately and eliminate all poverty. If you can't, then increasing the MW DOES impact jobs.

The Market has always tolerated Minimum Wage increases. The sky has never fallen over it. That's just what the usual suspect greedy wankers always predict. And of course they're always proven wrong. And they'll be proven wrong this time too.

Great. Then raise it to $100/hr and really eliminate poverty.

Once again you guys screech unprovable nonsense. You have no evidence whatsoever proving the Market can't tolerate Minimum Wage increases. It's actually the contrary. The Market has always tolerated Minimum Wage increases, and it always will. You 'Sky is Falling' kooks are wrong again.

 

[paulitician]

Don't worry about it. The usual suspect fat greedy old white Republicans will bitch & moan for awhile, but then they'll shut up and deal with it. They won't be doing the work themselves. They'll still be hiring workers. The sky won't fall. I promise.

Your posting style has become really strident and repetitive over the years. You don't even really seem to read the posts you respond to anymore, other than to get a general idea of whether they are "for" or "against". Then you just repeat some slogans with gratuitous insult attached.

Wouldn't it be more fun to have an actual discussion?

Fuck the fat greedy old white Republicans. Time to STFU and pay a worker a survivable wage. I don't give a shite about them and their feelings. Just like they don't give a shite about anyone else. So they can shut up, and pay up. Period, end of story.

You sound bitter. Let it go, you'll feel better.

Fuck em.

 

[dblack]

Don't worry about it. The usual suspect fat greedy old white Republicans will bitch & moan for awhile, but then they'll shut up and deal with it. They won't be doing the work themselves. They'll still be hiring workers. The sky won't fall. I promise.

Your posting style has become really strident and repetitive over the years. You don't even really seem to read the posts you respond to anymore, other than to get a general idea of whether they are "for" or "against". Then you just repeat some slogans with gratuitous insult attached.

Wouldn't it be more fun to have an actual discussion?

Fuck the fat greedy old white Republicans. Time to STFU and pay a worker a survivable wage. I don't give a shite about them and their feelings. Just like they don't give a shite about anyone else. They can shut up, and pay up. Period, end of story.

You're not even reading posts on here, are you?

 

[Andylusion]

Don't worry about it. The usual suspect fat greedy old white Republicans will bitch & moan for awhile, but then they'll shut up and deal with it. They won't be doing the work themselves. They'll still be hiring workers. The sky won't fall. I promise.

Your posting style has become really strident and repetitive over the years. You don't even really seem to read the posts you respond to anymore, other than to get a general idea of whether they are "for" or "against". Then you just repeat some slogans with gratuitous insult attached.

Wouldn't it be more fun to have an actual discussion?

Fuck the fat greedy old white Republicans. Time to STFU and pay a worker a survivable wage. I don't give a shite about them and their feelings. Just like they don't give a shite about anyone else. They can shut up, and pay up. Period, end of story.

If you drive up the wage beyond the value of the labor, then they'll end up paying them ZERO.

Period. End of story. They are not going to pay stupid. Greece tried that, and they packed up their wealth and jobs, and left. Venezuela tried that, and they packed up and left.

Your plan doesn't work. Period. End of story. It has never worked. Period. End of story.

How many poor people are you going to harm, before you quit saying idiotic things?

 

[Andylusion]

Don't worry about it. The usual suspect fat greedy old white Republicans will bitch & moan for awhile, but then they'll shut up and deal with it. They won't be doing the work themselves. They'll still be hiring workers. The sky won't fall. I promise.

Your posting style has become really strident and repetitive over the years. You don't even really seem to read the posts you respond to anymore, other than to get a general idea of whether they are "for" or "against". Then you just repeat some slogans with gratuitous insult attached.

Wouldn't it be more fun to have an actual discussion?

Fuck the fat greedy old white Republicans. Time to STFU and pay a worker a survivable wage. I don't give a shite about them and their feelings. Just like they don't give a shite about anyone else. They can shut up, and pay up. Period, end of story.

You're not even reading posts on here, are you?

No he's not. You can tell just be looking at tone of his text... he's another emotionally driven air head leftist. He is knee-jerk reacting, not thinking. Nothing of any of his posts, indicated the slightest attempt at rational thought.

I think he attempted to debate it rationally at the start, but the facts smacked him around so much, he's like a dog poked with the stick of truth, until he's just in a frenzy now.

 

[LOki]

if only 4-6% of the workers in this nation are paid minimum wage, then they are only producing about 6% of the Nations GDP, 94% is produced by mostly much higher paid workers....

And if 50% of those making minimum wage, work in the fast food/restaurant business, then only 2-3% of all minimum wage workers produce other things.

Even with having to raise those additional people making close to the $10 an hour that Congress wants to raise the minimum wage to, we will see very little, if any rise at all in inflation. Numbers talk.

And this is why, if done in increments, raising the minimum wage HAS NEVER had a measurable effect on inflation.

All of these wild examples and wild speculations is simply B.S.

There are exceptions for small businesses with 50-100 employees or less, where they can take several more years to raise their minimum wage earners.

If a company has as many as 100 employees as Skull Pilot mentioned, it is a fairly large company and not all of their employees are at minimum wage...they probably have very few people at minimum wage, unless they have a huge turn over rate in employees and pay out the kazoo for constant training of new employees, and unless this multi million dollar company has no upper management and no middle management and no comptroller and no accountant and no administrative assistants and no receptionist, and no other workers than the new hires they hire off the street at minimum. This is HIGHLY UNLIKELY.

I am not denying that there will be some exceptions, where a pizzeria that is not performing profitably as they sit, and an increase in minimum wage could lead to their going out of business EARLIER than they would have eventually gone out of business....BUT the customers who were going to the hurting Pizzeria, will end up going to the other Pizzeria a few blocks or a mile away, and THAT business will have an increase in sales and have the need to hire more people....the very people that lost their jobs at the hurting Pizzeria could be hired by the Pizzeria down the road....

This is not the end of the world, this is not an inflation breaker, and this is not an unemployment increaser, and this is not a business breaker either....with very few exceptions.

Sorry, the low skilled bottom 6% of the workforce is responsible for much less than 6% of GDP.

Which only proves my point Todd...It's not a big enough portion of the economy to cause inflation, it will not hurt the overall economy to raise the minimum to $10.10 which Congress is suggesting.

It will cause some businesses to go under. It will cause more to reduce head count. People who think it will be a boost to the economy are morons. Especially the op.

Yet you 'Sky is Falling' whiners have yet to present even one example of a business going under due to the Minimum Wage. So, once again you'll be proven wrong. Just like all the other times you predicted the sky falling over the Minimum Wage. You guys just don't have the credibility to make such predictions.

Legendary Palace

Borderlands Books

Zpizza

Chicken of the Sea, American Samoa

 

[Andylusion]

if only 4-6% of the workers in this nation are paid minimum wage, then they are only producing about 6% of the Nations GDP, 94% is produced by mostly much higher paid workers....

And if 50% of those making minimum wage, work in the fast food/restaurant business, then only 2-3% of all minimum wage workers produce other things.

Even with having to raise those additional people making close to the $10 an hour that Congress wants to raise the minimum wage to, we will see very little, if any rise at all in inflation. Numbers talk.

And this is why, if done in increments, raising the minimum wage HAS NEVER had a measurable effect on inflation.

All of these wild examples and wild speculations is simply B.S.

There are exceptions for small businesses with 50-100 employees or less, where they can take several more years to raise their minimum wage earners.

If a company has as many as 100 employees as Skull Pilot mentioned, it is a fairly large company and not all of their employees are at minimum wage...they probably have very few people at minimum wage, unless they have a huge turn over rate in employees and pay out the kazoo for constant training of new employees, and unless this multi million dollar company has no upper management and no middle management and no comptroller and no accountant and no administrative assistants and no receptionist, and no other workers than the new hires they hire off the street at minimum. This is HIGHLY UNLIKELY.

I am not denying that there will be some exceptions, where a pizzeria that is not performing profitably as they sit, and an increase in minimum wage could lead to their going out of business EARLIER than they would have eventually gone out of business....BUT the customers who were going to the hurting Pizzeria, will end up going to the other Pizzeria a few blocks or a mile away, and THAT business will have an increase in sales and have the need to hire more people....the very people that lost their jobs at the hurting Pizzeria could be hired by the Pizzeria down the road....

This is not the end of the world, this is not an inflation breaker, and this is not an unemployment increaser, and this is not a business breaker either....with very few exceptions.

Sorry, the low skilled bottom 6% of the workforce is responsible for much less than 6% of GDP.

Which only proves my point Todd...It's not a big enough portion of the economy to cause inflation, it will not hurt the overall economy to raise the minimum to $10.10 which Congress is suggesting.

It will cause some businesses to go under. It will cause more to reduce head count. People who think it will be a boost to the economy are morons. Especially the op.

Yet you 'Sky is Falling' whiners have yet to present even one example of a business going under due to the Minimum Wage. So, once again you'll be proven wrong. Just like all the other times you predicted the sky falling over the Minimum Wage. You guys just don't have the credibility to make such predictions.

Legendary Palace

Borderlands Books

Zpizza

Chicken of the Sea, American Samoa

The evidence for the negative impact of the minimum wage is massive. Hundreds of examples. But the left hide themselves in an echo chamber, and pretend nothing outside their tiny little world exists.

It s the Final Nail to the Coffin Chinatown Businesses Struggle Over Oakland s New Minimum Wage NBC Bay Area

By the way, I had to point this one out. The minimum wage went from $9.25 to $12.50.

That's only about $6,000 a year that the employee would see in higher pay.

But.... Notice what the business man said. The cost of labor, would increase on the business by $10,000 per employee. We've been saying this over and over. The cost to employees is massively more than the flat wage.

You left-wing fruits have added on cost after cost, and then you wonder why business isn't hiring more, why more jobs are not created? Why is this business is closing, and laying off all it's employees who will now earn the real minimum wage of zero?

This is why. You idiots are the cause.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

It will cause some businesses to go under. It will cause more to reduce head count. People who think it will be a boost to the economy are morons. Especially the op.

Yet you 'Sky is Falling' whiners have yet to present even one example of a business going under due to the Minimum Wage. So, once again you'll be proven wrong. Just like all the other times you predicted the sky falling over the Minimum Wage. You guys just don't have the credibility to make such predictions.

Yeah, higher costs, whether raw materials, energy or wages never put a business under. LOL!
You're such a fuck wit.

Now you're finally gettin it. Various numerous more significant variables, play a part in causing a business to go under. You have not presented even one example of a business going under due to the Minimum Wage. Because it doesn't happen. There a lots of reasons businesses go under, but Minimum Wage isn't one of them.

I can find dozens of storefronts of closed businesses near my home, because they didn't earn enough to pay their minimum wage workers. Durr.

Did you ask them? Because i seriously doubt the Minimum Wage has caused them to go under. They're going under because they failed. Minimum Wage isn't to blame for that. They are.

When you can't pay your workers,what is there to ask?

 

[LOki]

If you can't afford to pay someone Minimum Wage, you don't belong in business. It's real simple in the end, either you do the work yourself, or shut it down.

That's exactly what MW laws are all about.

Workers don't exist to be personal slaves.

Of course not. Workers whose work is worth more than the statutory minimum wage should not have their productivity taken at gunpoint to subsidize the wages of those whose work is worth less than the statutory minimum.

And no one is forced to hire workers.

Of course not.

And no one should be forced to pay an employee more than what their work is worth... after all no one is forcing workers to work either.

You don't wanna pay em, do the work yourself. Or get family members to volunteer their time to better your business.

No one is talking about not paying workers for their work, Princess.

Workers are people too.

Not in dispute.

They have bills and families to support.

How will your "statutory minimum wage or nothing" be of help to those who don't get the statutory minimum?

Where two consenting adults voluntarily and mutually agree to what some bit of work is worth; upon what moral authority do you declare such an agreement illegal if it says the work is worth less than what you think it's worth?

Why do you object to simply basing a worker's wage upon what that worker's work is worth?

Workers don't exist to make you wealthier.

Of course not.

They're not slaves.

I'm not the one enslaving anyone... those who demand that work worth less than the statutory minimum be subsidized by the wages of those whose work is work more than the statutory minimum are the slave holders.

So, pay em a survivable wage or simply do the work yourself. It's as simple as that.

Why can't I just pay them what their work is worth?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Which brings up racism. That's right; the minimum wage is racist. In this country minimum wage means being white is worth no less than $7.25/hr. How does this work? Like this: If 2 prospective employees--one black, one white, but otherwise equal--apply for a minimum wage job, Mr. AryanFront employer can hire white guy with a crew cut and golf shirt at no financial cost--none. He doesn't even have to worry about his competitors picking up the aspiring black worker for less, because they too have to pay him $7.25/hr. If this black worker were allowed to contract his labor for $5.00/hr, or $7.24 even, choosing the white guy would cost RacistJackass $2.25/hr (or $0.01 depending). Moreover, his competitors, if not racist, have the opportunity to hire the black worker at a cost advantage.

If you think this is not the case, you should check out how the white dominated unions in apartheid South Africa complained that the lack of minimum wage regulations led employers to hire cheap black laborers over better trained and better paid white folks. Which, coincidentally was exactly the same argument (check the congressional record) used by Robert Bacon when he wrote the Davis-Bacon Act (the first minmum wage law) in response to Southern contractors bringing black labor to a federal project in his Long Island district; a labor regulation which forces contractors engaged in government contracts to pay employees union wage scale (unions, which incidently were, at the time, usually exclusively white); effectively barring Southern blacks and immigrants from working on plush, government funded construction projects.

Minimum wage doesn't neccessarily have to be racist; on it's best day, minimum wage is only a state sponsored protection for older, higher paid workers from the competition of anyone who would accept less pay for the same work. The surprise for me was that though I understood that minimum wage and Davis-Bacon were, in observable and measurable effect, racist policies--I just had no idea that they were racist in intent.

So why is it that proponents for statutory minimum wage object to simply basing a worker's wage upon what the worker's work is worth? Why won't they explain their objection to us? Why don't they tell us the reason for refusing to explain their objection?

Maybe the answer is that they're racists. Maybe the're just ashamed to be outed so. Seems legit.

Angry greedy white Republican dudes are just plain ole assholes. Who cares if a McDonalds worker gets $15? Good for them. All the bitchin & moanin coming from the angry white dudes is ridiculous. Get a life for God's sake.

Entitled whiny libs want to be paid top dollar even when they have ZERO skills and can be replaced in about 10 seconds

Why don't all you burger baggers aspire to bigger and better things?

That's especially hilarious coming from entitled fat greedy old white Republican dude. No one in this country is more entitled than you. So quit your bitchin and pay up.

Upon what moral authority do you determine for EVERYONE what their work (either offered or performed for wages) is worth?

I already told you, i think a human's 'worth' right now in America should be somewhere between $10-$15 an hr. And yes, that goes for burger flippers too. Life is hard in today's America. Rent alone, is a real killer. Between $10-$15 could help an American at least survive.

Sorry you have a hard time paying your rent.

 

[LOki]

Which brings up racism. That's right; the minimum wage is racist. In this country minimum wage means being white is worth no less than $7.25/hr. How does this work? Like this: If 2 prospective employees--one black, one white, but otherwise equal--apply for a minimum wage job, Mr. AryanFront employer can hire white guy with a crew cut and golf shirt at no financial cost--none. He doesn't even have to worry about his competitors picking up the aspiring black worker for less, because they too have to pay him $7.25/hr. If this black worker were allowed to contract his labor for $5.00/hr, or $7.24 even, choosing the white guy would cost RacistJackass $2.25/hr (or $0.01 depending). Moreover, his competitors, if not racist, have the opportunity to hire the black worker at a cost advantage.

If you think this is not the case, you should check out how the white dominated unions in apartheid South Africa complained that the lack of minimum wage regulations led employers to hire cheap black laborers over better trained and better paid white folks. Which, coincidentally was exactly the same argument (check the congressional record) used by Robert Bacon when he wrote the Davis-Bacon Act (the first minmum wage law) in response to Southern contractors bringing black labor to a federal project in his Long Island district; a labor regulation which forces contractors engaged in government contracts to pay employees union wage scale (unions, which incidently were, at the time, usually exclusively white); effectively barring Southern blacks and immigrants from working on plush, government funded construction projects.

Minimum wage doesn't neccessarily have to be racist; on it's best day, minimum wage is only a state sponsored protection for older, higher paid workers from the competition of anyone who would accept less pay for the same work. The surprise for me was that though I understood that minimum wage and Davis-Bacon were, in observable and measurable effect, racist policies--I just had no idea that they were racist in intent.

So why is it that proponents for statutory minimum wage object to simply basing a worker's wage upon what the worker's work is worth? Why won't they explain their objection to us? Why don't they tell us the reason for refusing to explain their objection?

Maybe the answer is that they're racists. Maybe the're just ashamed to be outed so. Seems legit.

Angry greedy white Republican dudes are just plain ole assholes. Who cares if a McDonalds worker gets $15? Good for them. All the bitchin & moanin coming from the angry white dudes is ridiculous. Get a life for God's sake.

Entitled whiny libs want to be paid top dollar even when they have ZERO skills and can be replaced in about 10 seconds

Why don't all you burger baggers aspire to bigger and better things?

That's especially hilarious coming from entitled fat greedy old white Republican dude. No one in this country is more entitled than you. So quit your bitchin and pay up.

Upon what moral authority do you determine for EVERYONE what their work (either offered or performed for wages) is worth?

I already told you, i think a human's 'worth' right now in America should be somewhere between $10-$15 an hr. And yes, that goes for burger flippers too.

You base this assessment upon what, exactly?

Upon what moral authority do you decide for others what their work (either offered or performed) is worth?

Life is hard in today's America. Rent alone, is a real killer.

Mawkish appeal to emotion. Meaningless.

Between $10-$15 could help an American at least survive.

I don't disagree, but upon what moral authority do you decide for others what their work (either offered or performed) is worth?

 

[LOki]

Why don't you explain to us why you object to simply basing a worker's wages upon what that worker's work is worth?

I agree with you that people should just be paid what they are worth. That would be the obvious motivation for people to put the effort into improving themselves and their skillset. Fundamental human dignity. It's an obvious point, and still there are many who will simply refuse to have that conversation. And if you feel that business is being unfairly targeted and penalized here, I'd agree with that, too.

Unfortunately, as with anything else, we have to deal with the reality of the situation. And here is the reality:

First, we have raised at least one full generation of young people, the Selfie Generation, who are terribly self-centered and entitled. We've given them participation medals just for showing up and we've avoided hurting their feelings in class. We've told them how special and wonderful they are while they're in school, knowing full well that the real world would not be nearly so kind. (Confident Idiots American Students Growing More Confident Less Capable)

Second, because these young people are entering the work force with far more phony "self esteem" than actual skills or proper attitude, they simply don't have as much value in the free market as they could have. So, bottom line, either American business "takes care" of them or they end up on the public dole, and we already know that this has become an inter-generational culture now.

And third, automation has eliminated the need for many, many people who have chosen not to increase their skill set, and our economy is clearly in a period of transition as we try to balance massively increased (and increasing) productivity with the skills and size of the labor force.

Bottom line is, we have little choice. It's going to fall on the backs of American business to "take care" of these people, at least until we efficiently find a way to deal with the boom in productivity and automation. If ever, and that's debatable. This, I strongly suspect, is a significant part of the reason for the terribly dishonest "you didn't build that" culture into which we have fallen. Business just has to give it up, tough shit.

I don't like it either, but it is what it is.

.

Ok. Now that you've offered some kind of crap rationalization for why a worker's work is not based upon what that worker's work is worth; upon what moral authority do you determine for everybody what their work (either offered or performed for wages) is worth?

Mine was (as usual) a reasonable, civil and rational post. So your "crap rationalization" criticism tells me that you either did not actually read what I wrote, or that you just don't want to hear any contrary opinions, or (most likely) both.

Nonsense. You offered a (civil) rationalization, and like all rationalizations it was crap. What's your problem?

And I also made it quite clear that it's not what I would want.

But then there was the "civil" rationalization you offered defending.

Maybe I'm just being thrown by what appears to be a mixed message.

On what moral authority would determination be made on worth? Well, now that we are in the process of detaching value from pay, I have no idea.

Wut? Who is "we"?

Those who are pushing hard for a large minimum wage increase seem to have settled most consistently on "a full time job should not pay so little that the worker needs public assistance". You'll have to ask them..

I have been... and you answered, it seemed, as one of them.

Or not.

My background is in business and finance, I'm afraid I'm not well versed on the "employer is responsible for taking care of its employees" concept. Working on it, though..

Good luck.

I think it's reasonable that an "employer is responsible for taking care of its employees" ...as employees. You know, putting a rational boundary on that responsibility.

 

[paulitician]

Don't worry about it. The usual suspect fat greedy old white Republicans will bitch & moan for awhile, but then they'll shut up and deal with it. They won't be doing the work themselves. They'll still be hiring workers. The sky won't fall. I promise.

Your posting style has become really strident and repetitive over the years. You don't even really seem to read the posts you respond to anymore, other than to get a general idea of whether they are "for" or "against". Then you just repeat some slogans with gratuitous insult attached.

Wouldn't it be more fun to have an actual discussion?

Fuck the fat greedy old white Republicans. Time to STFU and pay a worker a survivable wage. I don't give a shite about them and their feelings. Just like they don't give a shite about anyone else. They can shut up, and pay up. Period, end of story.

If you drive up the wage beyond the value of the labor, then they'll end up paying them ZERO.

Period. End of story. They are not going to pay stupid. Greece tried that, and they packed up their wealth and jobs, and left. Venezuela tried that, and they packed up and left.

Your plan doesn't work. Period. End of story. It has never worked. Period. End of story.

How many poor people are you going to harm, before you quit saying idiotic things?

Yes, the awful 'imminent collapse' of Greece which hasn't happened, and probably won't happen. I swear, you 'Sky is Falling' people really are dipshits. You're proven wrong time & time again, yet you continue making the same ole stupid predictions. America will survive raising Minimum Wage, just as it always has. Life will go on. Seriously, it will.

 

[paulitician]

Sorry, the low skilled bottom 6% of the workforce is responsible for much less than 6% of GDP.

Which only proves my point Todd...It's not a big enough portion of the economy to cause inflation, it will not hurt the overall economy to raise the minimum to $10.10 which Congress is suggesting.

It will cause some businesses to go under. It will cause more to reduce head count. People who think it will be a boost to the economy are morons. Especially the op.

Yet you 'Sky is Falling' whiners have yet to present even one example of a business going under due to the Minimum Wage. So, once again you'll be proven wrong. Just like all the other times you predicted the sky falling over the Minimum Wage. You guys just don't have the credibility to make such predictions.

Legendary Palace

Borderlands Books

Zpizza

Chicken of the Sea, American Samoa

The evidence for the negative impact of the minimum wage is massive. Hundreds of examples. But the left hide themselves in an echo chamber, and pretend nothing outside their tiny little world exists.

It s the Final Nail to the Coffin Chinatown Businesses Struggle Over Oakland s New Minimum Wage NBC Bay Area

By the way, I had to point this one out. The minimum wage went from $9.25 to $12.50.

That's only about $6,000 a year that the employee would see in higher pay.

But.... Notice what the business man said. The cost of labor, would increase on the business by $10,000 per employee. We've been saying this over and over. The cost to employees is massively more than the flat wage.

You left-wing fruits have added on cost after cost, and then you wonder why business isn't hiring more, why more jobs are not created? Why is this business is closing, and laying off all it's employees who will now earn the real minimum wage of zero?

This is why. You idiots are the cause.

Ha, i'll bet anything none of those businesses cited, went under due to the Minimum Wage. Absolute Bullshite.

 

[paulitician]

Yet you 'Sky is Falling' whiners have yet to present even one example of a business going under due to the Minimum Wage. So, once again you'll be proven wrong. Just like all the other times you predicted the sky falling over the Minimum Wage. You guys just don't have the credibility to make such predictions.

Yeah, higher costs, whether raw materials, energy or wages never put a business under. LOL!
You're such a fuck wit.

Now you're finally gettin it. Various numerous more significant variables, play a part in causing a business to go under. You have not presented even one example of a business going under due to the Minimum Wage. Because it doesn't happen. There a lots of reasons businesses go under, but Minimum Wage isn't one of them.

I can find dozens of storefronts of closed businesses near my home, because they didn't earn enough to pay their minimum wage workers. Durr.

Did you ask them? Because i seriously doubt the Minimum Wage has caused them to go under. They're going under because they failed. Minimum Wage isn't to blame for that. They are.

When you can't pay your workers,what is there to ask?

Minimum Wage isn't to blame. They are. They failed. That's all on them.

 

[paulitician]

If you can't afford to pay someone Minimum Wage, you don't belong in business. It's real simple in the end, either you do the work yourself, or shut it down.

That's exactly what MW laws are all about.

Workers don't exist to be personal slaves.

Of course not. Workers whose work is worth more than the statutory minimum wage should not have their productivity taken at gunpoint to subsidize the wages of those whose work is worth less than the statutory minimum.

And no one is forced to hire workers.

Of course not.

And no one should be forced to pay an employee more than what their work is worth... after all no one is forcing workers to work either.

You don't wanna pay em, do the work yourself. Or get family members to volunteer their time to better your business.

No one is talking about not paying workers for their work, Princess.

Workers are people too.

Not in dispute.

They have bills and families to support.

How will your "statutory minimum wage or nothing" be of help to those who don't get the statutory minimum?

Where two consenting adults voluntarily and mutually agree to what some bit of work is worth; upon what moral authority do you declare such an agreement illegal if it says the work is worth less than what you think it's worth?

Why do you object to simply basing a worker's wage upon what that worker's work is worth?

Workers don't exist to make you wealthier.

Of course not.

They're not slaves.

I'm not the one enslaving anyone... those who demand that work worth less than the statutory minimum be subsidized by the wages of those whose work is work more than the statutory minimum are the slave holders.

So, pay em a survivable wage or simply do the work yourself. It's as simple as that.

Why can't I just pay them what their work is worth?

Already been explained numerous times. So, you either pay, or just do the work yourself. No one's pointing a gun to your head forcing you to hire workers. That's your call.

 

[paulitician]

Angry greedy white Republican dudes are just plain ole assholes. Who cares if a McDonalds worker gets $15? Good for them. All the bitchin & moanin coming from the angry white dudes is ridiculous. Get a life for God's sake.

Entitled whiny libs want to be paid top dollar even when they have ZERO skills and can be replaced in about 10 seconds

Why don't all you burger baggers aspire to bigger and better things?

That's especially hilarious coming from entitled fat greedy old white Republican dude. No one in this country is more entitled than you. So quit your bitchin and pay up.

Upon what moral authority do you determine for EVERYONE what their work (either offered or performed for wages) is worth?

I already told you, i think a human's 'worth' right now in America should be somewhere between $10-$15 an hr. And yes, that goes for burger flippers too. Life is hard in today's America. Rent alone, is a real killer. Between $10-$15 could help an American at least survive.

Sorry you have a hard time paying your rent.

No you're not. Fat greedy old white Republicans don't give a shit about anyone but themselves. So who you kiddin?

 

[Mr Natural]

Ha, i'll bet anything none of those businesses cited, went under due to the Minimum Wage. Absolute Bullshite.

But it is a convenient excuse for them.