Minimum Wage Increase: They Never Talks About the SALES

[Dragonlady]

We are asking that the pay for workers be based on what the work is worth. That amount has been demonstrated to be undervalued based on record corporate profits, corporations awash in cash and record levels of executive pay.

And yes, the minimum wage will have to be raised again and again because corporations will always pay the least amount they possibly can to ensure maximum profits for investors.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

We are asking that the pay for workers be based on what the work is worth. That amount has been demonstrated to be undervalued based on record corporate profits, corporations awash in cash and record levels of executive pay.

And yes, the minimum wage will have to be raised again and again because corporations will always pay the least amount they possibly can to ensure maximum profits for investors.

That amount has been demonstrated to be undervalued based on record corporate profits, corporations awash in cash and record levels of executive pay.

Based on the glut of illegals, low skilled work should be cheap.

 

[Skull Pilot]

well considering I only pay $1.19 for a pack of smokes......

How much does it cost to rent a 3 bedroom house on 5 acres of land again in New York city?

$500 bucks down here....

I don't. I literally do not assert that I have the moral authority to decide for other people what their work is worth... whether we're talking about the work being done, or the work that needs to be done.

On what moral authority do you decide worth for other people?

Also I believe employees demand demand higher wages for the sake of their own profit. What's your point?

What's retarded is this notion of yours that you can achieve any kind of wage justice by ignoring well established economic principles by applying magical legislation.

Maybe. Productivity in worthless product might be up a bajillion %, but I don't think that demands higher wages. I don't know.

I'll tell you this though: I do not assert that I have the moral authority to decide for other people what their work is worth... whether we're talking about the work being done, or the work that needs to be done.

On what moral authority do you decide worth for other people?

Made up nonsense.

There is no escape from the objective fact of economic reality that minimum wage laws devalue wages. You simply cannot avoid devaluing wages when you make $1/hr work cost the same as $15/hr work. It's just not possible.

Adding new dollars to the economy by increasing the minimum wage beyond what the work is worth is not the same thing as creating new wealth. Statutory minimum wage ALWAYS results in inflation. It necessarily must.

These realities are inescapable, and it is why minimum wage ponzi schemes ALWAYS fail.

If statutory minimum wage did not ALWAYS fail--if it did not always result in unemployment and inflation--minimum wage proponents would not ALWAYS be demanding that the statutory minimum wage be increased... yet again!

Ok you really need to address this devaluing concept.

You simply cannot avoid devaluing wages when you make $1/hr work cost the same as $15/hr work. It's just not possible.

What objective metric are you using?

Math. $1 is less than $15.

And again, what makes you so confident the employer is not paying someone less simply for the sake of profit?

I made no such statement of "confidence." In fact, I wouldn't. It is entirely irrelevant.

BTW, for everyone's benefit; On what moral authority do you decide worth for other people?

The reason why there has always been a demand to raise it is because it is way behind on current inflation.

It ALWAYS will be. Adding new dollars to the economy by increasing the minimum wage beyond what the work is worth is not the same thing as creating new wealth. Statutory minimum wage ALWAYS results in inflation. It necessarily must.

Cost of living is an actual metric you know that right?

Yes, but so what?

What is your objection to simply basing was worker's wages upon what that worker's work is worth?

Ok you haven't answered the question.

I have. I'm not a pussy.

I am asking for the metric you are using to decide what work is worth what wage.

I do not assert that I have the moral authority to decide for other people what their work is worth... whether we're talking about the work being done, or the work that needs to be done.

On what moral authority do you decide worth for other people?

You're talking about a qualitative idea when it should be quantitative.

Nonsense.

Besides, it's irrelevant to the question posed: What is your objection to basing a worker's wages solely upon what that worker's work is worth?

But if making it quantitative is what you need, 5. The worker's work is worth the quantity 5.

Can you answer it now?

What does it matter if the government raises the mimimum wage?

Besides everything that's been explained to you?

You're just going to be obtuse, is it? Fine.

The government is not competent to set wages. Evidenced by the undeniable fact of reality that it arbitrarily sets the wage for work worth $1/hr at $7.25/hr.

How's that for a problem?

What quantitative reasoning are they violating?

How about the undeniable fact of reality that they arbitrarily set the wage for work worth $1/hr at $7.25/hr.

Is that quantitative enough for you, Cupcake?

Wages have remained flat while productivity has soared.

Of course. That's what will happen when work worth more than the statutory minimum wage must subsidize the work worth less than the statutory minimum.

Do you honestly think employers, by and large, are less concerned by profit and more concerned by paying their workers fairly and realistically?

Do you honestly think employees, by and large, are less concerned with collecting as much cash with the least effort as possible, and more concerned with treating their employers fairly and realistically?

Who cares? It is ENTIRELY irrelevant to the question, which is: What is your objection to simply basing was worker's wages upon what that worker's work is worth?

18 million people make less than $10.10 per hour.

So what?

How many more do you think make less than $15 per hour which is the wage someone must be able to live off of based on current inflation?

Do you want my honest answer to this mawkish appeal to emotion?

SO WHAT?

Prices will go up slightly, but not nearly enough to offset the extra few hundred bucks a month a person will make. Over time, that huge boost to consumer spending will improve the economy.

If this were at all true, it would have worked the first time.

If statutory minimum wage did not ALWAYS fail--if it did not always result in unemployment and inflation--minimum wage proponents would not ALWAYS be demanding that the statutory minimum wage be increased... yet again!

What is your objection to simply basing was worker's wages upon what that worker's work is worth?

Lol I keep telling you that I am taking into account their worth: productivity. You on the other hand have failed to define what their work is worth. Don't you think people should be paid based on productivity and the cost of living in their environment? Neither one of those have been taken junto account when it comes to the minimum wage. The US has the widest income gap in the world. 1% of the top earners own 40% of the nation's wealth. Corporate profits are at an all time high. Yes, it is time for the government to step in.

The cost of their "living environment" is irrelevant

And how do you define productivity?

If you want to be paid on productivity then do piece work or 100% commission

Do you care to define wealth as you use it here?

Wealth is nothing but net worth and anyone can increase their net worth any time they want and without decreasing someone else's

 

[JoeMoma]

Then if the work you assign to a person is worth $1, that person is worth $1 to you.

One and the same, right?

Interesting perspective.

no Loki, it's you that imagines such...

I'm not imagining anything... you were clear and unambiguous.

I wouldn't hire a worker if I only needed them for $1 worth of work, and have to pay the mandatory benefits and taxes on them etc, would you?

BEFORE the decision is made to even hire someone I know what the work value is that I expect him to bring....employees are NOT added and hired Willy nilly....it's not guess work and not something to take lightly.

I suspect you have a disingenuous motive for insisting upon over-complicating the point with all these distractions; "mandatory benefits and taxes, etc.."

The question is simple: Why not base a worker's wages solely upon what the worker's work is worth?

The workers worth is one and the same as the works worth.... how do you separate that?

Because if I want a particular bit of work done, I can hire any worker that can do it... if I want to hire a particular worker, I cannot just hire any worker. Workers and their work are OBVIOUSLY NOT the same thing.

How can you not parse the distinction?

If the worker is not worth the works worth....why hire them in the first place?

I'm not hiring to get workers, I'm hiring to get work done. The two are OBVIOUSLY NOT the same thing.

You obviously object to basing a worker's wages solely upon what the worker's work is worth; you wouldn't obfuscate the point so much if it were otherwise.

Tell me, exactly what is your objection to basing a worker's wages solely upon what the worker's work is worth?

As I have said many times, I do...
the worker's worth to me IS the work expected from him and done by him....I don't know how they can be separated?

And I don't know why you are even making this an issue....?

Sure the worker may go through a period where they are not producing the work I hired him to cover, especially during training periods.....perhaps then, I am paying the employee for what they ARE GOING TO BE WORTH but not for the actual work produced.

I am not going to pay him LESS than what I hired him for during this training period because he is not producing the work to cover his salary....

Fine.

Then we agree.

You also said:

I believe employers or business owners, should pay their employees on what they are "worth"....and when and if minimum wage goes up...has little, if anything, to do with it...

If the work you have is worth is less than the statutory minimum wage, and you have a worker willing to do the work for what it is worth, how is it possible that the minimum wage has little to do with how much you pay him?

It would be a crime to pay him what his work is worth; so if you pay him the minimum wage, the "worker's worth" has NOTHING to do with his wages, and the statutory minimum wage has EVERYTHING to do with his wages.

Correct?

I don't expect an employee newly hired to give me the output that he is going to give me with time on the job...I don't expect their skills to be stagnate, I expect improvement every day they work for me.... his or her improvements, will cover any minimal minimum wage hike... my job is to make certain the employee is improving and becoming more valuable with time, with or without a minimum mandatory wage..... if they are not, then bye bye....

On new hires after a minimum wage hike, I will hire them if I know they can produce what it takes to cover them in my budget and I would expect them to exceed that....in time... Why hire someone who could not meet these measures?

And this is probably one of the reasons teen unemployment is high....I dunno? The people being hired are the creme of the crop, or have the potential of being the creme of the crop, from where I am sitting....some teens have what it takes, but most don't....

so maybe people like me are part of the problem with their U/E being so high??? I dunno?

Even in a McDonald's, all workers behind the counter, though all being paid the same MW, I can identify immediately who are the creme, with simply how they service me and those around me, and if done so with a smile....

Maybe businesses that don't see the importance and value in hiring good employees from the get go, will have a problem with a minimum wage hike because their employees were never good employees with potential? That is the fault of the employer...

The type of employees that you are describing that you would hire don't have to worry about a low minimum wage because even if first hired at that rate, they will not stay there for long.

 

[JoeMoma]

I don't understand how you can be so dense. The economic benefits of raising the minimum wage would occur because the change would happen in the entire economy. Overall, a good portion of the economy would have more disposable income, so yeah, business in general would see an increase in demand.

And as prices rise as they must all those people making above the proposed MW will see their buying power decrease.

It ain't rocket science

Um no. The price increase would be pennies on the dollar.

Pennies add up to dollars Idiot.

The price of everything would rise

Everything from apples to zucchini would cost more

All your utilities will cost more

Everything you do for entertainment would cost more

Anyone with any common sense knows that

And you think a 7.50 an hour raise only costs the employer 7.50 don't you?

News flash it doesn't. Employers will have to pay higher payroll taxes, higher state and federal unemployment taxes, higher workman's comp premiums (taxes) etc

so like I said all those pennies add up to a lot of dollars

Lol you are so dumb. Pennies on the dollar would rise while millions of people would make an couple extra hundred dollars a month. And no, not every price would rise. Not even close. Tell me, if you think it's so catastrophic, why did we raise the min wage so many times in the past with no problem.

Raising the MW by a few cents is completely different than doubling it.

And of course all prices would rise because every industry would see their costs rise and you think that those businesses won't raise prices?

If my labor costs doubled I would have to raise my prices

Exactly! There is a big difference in the cost to one business in voluntarily raising its minimum wage to that of forcing all business to conform to a new minimum wage. If all business have to conform to a doubling of the minimum wage ($15/hour), then there will be a ripple effect of costs increases being pased from suppliers to customers.

 

[JoeMoma]

Still not seeing how the Minimum Wage has ever hurt the U.S. Economy. We have more Millionaires and Billionaires than ever before in our history. Paying struggling workers a decent wage isn't gonna break the bank. Seriously, it's true. Anyway, have a good Saturday. See ya.

Usually when the minimum wage is raised, it raised to a level that the market is already providing to most unskilled workers anyway, so there is very little if any effect on the economy.

 

[JoeMoma]

Because statutory minimum wage ALWAYS fails to deliver.

Minimum wage laws cannot create jobs, they can ONLY outlaw them. Minimum wage laws demand that workers willing to accept wages less than the statutory minimum wage are barred from such contracts. It is compulsory unemployment. Statutory minimum wage ALWAYS contributes to unemployment.

There is no escape from the objective fact of economic reality that minimum wage laws devalue wages. You simply cannot avoid devaluing wages when you make $1/hr work cost the same as $15/hr work. It's just not possible.

Adding new dollars to the economy by increasing the minimum wage beyond what the work is worth is not the same thing as creating new wealth. Statutory minimum wage ALWAYS results in inflation. It necessarily must.

These realities are inescapable, and it is why minimum wage ponzi schemes ALWAYS fail.

If statutory minimum wage did not ALWAYS fail--if it did not always result in unemployment and inflation--minimum wage proponents would not ALWAYS be demanding that the statutory minimum wage be increased... yet again!

Lol you conservative have this fantasy qualitative reasoning about wages that is so laughable. Ok so your premise is that $15/h work is undermined by a boost in $2 in wages. I'm sorry, but how exactly do you define worth in this context? What are the defining characteristics exactly? Why are you so convinced that the job is worth that much? Don't you think it's possible that the employer keeps the wages low for the sake of, you know, more profit? They make more money paying people less you know that right? With this logic, it's kind of ridiculous to assume an employer pays wages based on an objective metric of worth. That's just retarded.

Here is food for thought. I know you cons struggle with with thought so chew slow. In this country, productivity has grown 100% since the 30's yet wages have remained flat. Don't you think productivity should be taken into account when it comes to deciding wages? Corporations haven't. Here is more food for thought: the last time someone could comfortably live off 10/h was the 1960's. Don't you think inflation should be taken into account for deciding wages? Corporations don't.

live comfortably off $10 bucks an hour? They do in South Carolina it is like the equivalent to making $50 bucks an hour in New York City

I seriously doubt that is true.

well considering I only pay $1.19 for a pack of smokes......

How much does it cost to rent a 3 bedroom house on 5 acres of land again in New York city?

$500 bucks down here....

Pennies add up to dollars Idiot.

The price of everything would rise

Everything from apples to zucchini would cost more

All your utilities will cost more

Everything you do for entertainment would cost more

Anyone with any common sense knows that

And you think a 7.50 an hour raise only costs the employer 7.50 don't you?

News flash it doesn't. Employers will have to pay higher payroll taxes, higher state and federal unemployment taxes, higher workman's comp premiums (taxes) etc

so like I said all those pennies add up to a lot of dollars

Lol you are so dumb. Pennies on the dollar would rise while millions of people would make an couple extra hundred dollars a month. And no, not every price would rise. Not even close. Tell me, if you think it's so catastrophic, why did we raise the min wage so many times in the past with no problem.

Because statutory minimum wage ALWAYS fails to deliver.

Minimum wage laws cannot create jobs, they can ONLY outlaw them. Minimum wage laws demand that workers willing to accept wages less than the statutory minimum wage are barred from such contracts. It is compulsory unemployment. Statutory minimum wage ALWAYS contributes to unemployment.

There is no escape from the objective fact of economic reality that minimum wage laws devalue wages. You simply cannot avoid devaluing wages when you make $1/hr work cost the same as $15/hr work. It's just not possible.

Adding new dollars to the economy by increasing the minimum wage beyond what the work is worth is not the same thing as creating new wealth. Statutory minimum wage ALWAYS results in inflation. It necessarily must.

These realities are inescapable, and it is why minimum wage ponzi schemes ALWAYS fail.

If statutory minimum wage did not ALWAYS fail--if it did not always result in unemployment and inflation--minimum wage proponents would not ALWAYS be demanding that the statutory minimum wage be increased... yet again!

Lol you conservative have this fantasy qualitative reasoning about wages that is so laughable. Ok so your premise is that $15/h work is undermined by a boost in $2 in wages. I'm sorry, but how exactly do you define worth in this context? What are the defining characteristics exactly? Why are you so convinced that the job is worth that much?

I don't. I literally do not assert that I have the moral authority to decide for other people what their work is worth... whether we're talking about the work being done, or the work that needs to be done.

On what moral authority do you decide worth for other people?

Don't you think it's possible that the employer keeps the wages low for the sake of, you know, more profit?

Also I believe employees demand demand higher wages for the sake of their own profit. What's your point?

They make more money paying people less you know that right? With this logic, it's kind of ridiculous to assume an employer pays wages based on an objective metric of worth. That's just retarded.

What's retarded is this notion of yours that you can achieve any kind of wage justice by ignoring well established economic principles by applying magical legislation.

Here is food for thought. I know you cons struggle with with thought so chew slow. In this country, productivity has grown 100% since the 30's yet wages have remained flat. Don't you think productivity should be taken into account when it comes to deciding wages?

Maybe. Productivity in worthless product might be up a bajillion %, but I don't think that demands higher wages. I don't know.

I'll tell you this though: I do not assert that I have the moral authority to decide for other people what their work is worth... whether we're talking about the work being done, or the work that needs to be done.

On what moral authority do you decide worth for other people?

Corporations haven't.

Made up nonsense.

Here is more food for thought: the last time someone could comfortably live off 10/h was the 1960's. Don't you think inflation should be taken into account for deciding wages? Corporations don't.

There is no escape from the objective fact of economic reality that minimum wage laws devalue wages. You simply cannot avoid devaluing wages when you make $1/hr work cost the same as $15/hr work. It's just not possible.

Adding new dollars to the economy by increasing the minimum wage beyond what the work is worth is not the same thing as creating new wealth. Statutory minimum wage ALWAYS results in inflation. It necessarily must.

These realities are inescapable, and it is why minimum wage ponzi schemes ALWAYS fail.

If statutory minimum wage did not ALWAYS fail--if it did not always result in unemployment and inflation--minimum wage proponents would not ALWAYS be demanding that the statutory minimum wage be increased... yet again!

Ok you really need to address this devaluing concept. What objective metric are you using? And again, what makes you so confident the employer is not paying someone less simply for the sake of profit?

The reason why there has always been a demand to raise it is because it is way behind on current inflation. Cost of living is an actual metric you know that right?

The goal of a business is to turn a profit, not to pay employees at the so called livable wage. When business costs are increased, the decision makers for the business look for ways to compensate for that cost to keep the business profitable. Once the market adjusts for the wage increases, we are back to square one.

 

[JoeMoma]

A question that keeps recurring on this thread is what deternines the value of a job? One important component to the answer to that question is the percentage of the population capable of doing that job. Labor is a commodity, and it tends to go person that is willing and able to do the job at the least cost to the business. The reason Labron James makes mega millions is because (1) millions of people are willing to pay directly or by watching advertisements to see the best basketball players compete, and (2) only a few people can be among the best. Almost anyone can put groceries in a bag, so baggers at the supermarket are paid close to the minimum that they are willing to work.

 

[JoeMoma]

Perhaps the goverment should set pay scales for all jobs and do the hiring and firing for them. The goverment can simply become the Hunan resources department for all businesses. That way the goverment can be in charge to make sure everyone is paid a fair wage and the managers and executives are not paid too much. We all know that the goverment is better at making business decisions about wages than busnesss people and the people they hire.

 

[LOki]

We are asking that the pay for workers be based on what the work is worth.

If this were true, then you would be a proponent for eliminating statutory minimum wage.

Not all work is worth $7.25/hr. Certainly not $10.10 or $15/hr.

That amount has been demonstrated to be undervalued based on record corporate profits, corporations awash in cash and record levels of executive pay.

How so?

On what authority do you determine for others what their work (work being offered or work being done) is worth?

And yes, the minimum wage will have to be raised again and again because corporations will always pay the least amount they possibly can to ensure maximum profits for investors.

If statutory minimum wage is effective, why does it have to be raised again, and again? It seems that minimum wage just makes things worse.

 

[SwimExpert]

We are asking that the pay for workers be based on what the work is worth. That amount has been demonstrated to be undervalued based on record corporate profits, corporations awash in cash and record levels of executive pay.

And yes, the minimum wage will have to be raised again and again because corporations will always pay the least amount they possibly can to ensure maximum profits for investors.

Why does the minimum wage have to be raised? Why can't the workers take responsibility themselves? They're the ones who agree to work for low wages.

 

[paulitician]

Still not seeing how the Minimum Wage has ever hurt the U.S. Economy. We have more Millionaires and Billionaires than ever before in our history. Paying struggling workers a decent wage isn't gonna break the bank. Seriously, it's true. Anyway, have a good Saturday. See ya.

yea have a good Saturday, but please come back and tell us your plan on how to get them to pay a decent wage when we live in a global economy now and everyone only lives a 100 years

We'll figure it out. We are the greatest wealthiest nation on the planet, no?

 

[paulitician]

Still not seeing how the Minimum Wage has ever hurt the U.S. Economy.

This has been explained to you. You offer no contest; just denial of well established economic realities.

We have more Millionaires and Billionaires than ever before in our history.

Not relevant. Just another distracting appeal to emotion.

Paying struggling workers a decent wage isn't gonna break the bank. Seriously, it's true. Anyway, have a good Saturday. See ya.

Patently wrong for OBVIOUS reasons.

No one has presented any evidence proving the Minimum Wage has ever hurt the U.S. Economy. Businesses have not only survived it, they've thrived like never before. More Millionaires and Billionaires are being created then ever before in our history.

So when you guys predict the sky falling over raising Minimum Wage, you'll be proven wrong. Just like you've been proven wrong the other numerous times you predicted the sky falling. You guys just don't have much credibility on this one. Sorry, but it is what it is.

 

[paulitician]

Still not seeing how the Minimum Wage has ever hurt the U.S. Economy. We have more Millionaires and Billionaires than ever before in our history. Paying struggling workers a decent wage isn't gonna break the bank. Seriously, it's true. Anyway, have a good Saturday. See ya.

Well, minimum wage laws don't result in paying struggling workers a decent wage. But maintaining a dependent underclass is central to the money masters' long term plans, and such laws are crucial to that effort.

Probably true, but i'd rather seem them making a survivable living, paying taxes, and spending money into the economy. That's better than them mooching off Entitlements their entire lives. In the end, we'll all benefit from more Citizens working and being productive.

 

[paulitician]

Yet businesses in America have managed to survive and thrive for many many years. The sky never fell, like you guys predicted. There is no evidence proving any business in America has ever gone out of business due to the Minimum Wage. If you can't pay Minimum Wage, than it's time for you to close up shop. It wasn't meant to be for you. It is what it is.

So never mind all the evidence that hiking the minimum wage hurts the very people it's supposed to help? Never mind that hiking the minimum wage ignores the crucial difference between people who work low-income jobs to get through school or for other temporary reasons and people who work low-income jobs on a long-term basis and to support or help support a family?

Just never mind fact and reality, right? Just blindly insist on hiking the minimum wage over and over again--and then scratch your head and wonder why our economy continues to have weaker and weaker recoveries, more and more long-term unemployed, and more jobs shipped overseas because companies understandably don't want to pay someone $15 an hour and benefits to do simple jobs like operate a cash register, wash dishes, or clean tables.

Hiking the EITC is an infinitely smarter and better way to help people who work low-income jobs on a long-term basis, especially if they're supporting or helping to support a family. It targets those who need the help, distributes the cost more broadly, and doesn't cause employers to cut back on low-income jobs.

You guys have been proven wrong time after time. The sky doesn't fall over raising Minimum Wage. Businesses will once again survive, and thrive.

 

[dblack]

Still not seeing how the Minimum Wage has ever hurt the U.S. Economy. We have more Millionaires and Billionaires than ever before in our history. Paying struggling workers a decent wage isn't gonna break the bank. Seriously, it's true. Anyway, have a good Saturday. See ya.

Well, minimum wage laws don't result in paying struggling workers a decent wage. But maintaining a dependent underclass is central to the money masters' long term plans, and such laws are crucial to that effort.

Probably true, but i'd rather seem them making a survivable living, paying taxes, and spending money into the economy. That's better than them mooching off Entitlements their entire lives. In the end, we'll all benefit from more Citizens working and being productive.

You have yet to provide evidence that raising minimum wage results in more people working. Rational analysis suggests the opposite.

 

[paulitician]

Yet businesses in America have managed to survive and thrive for many many years. The sky never fell, like you guys predicted. There is no evidence proving any business in America has ever gone out of business due to the Minimum Wage. If you can't pay Minimum Wage, than it's time for you to close up shop. It wasn't meant to be for you. It is what it is.

So never mind all the evidence that hiking the minimum wage hurts the very people it's supposed to help? Never mind that hiking the minimum wage ignores the crucial difference between people who work low-income jobs to get through school or for other temporary reasons and people who work low-income jobs on a long-term basis and to support or help support a family?

Just never mind fact and reality, right? Just blindly insist on hiking the minimum wage over and over again--and then scratch your head and wonder why our economy continues to have weaker and weaker recoveries, more and more long-term unemployed, and more jobs shipped overseas because companies understandably don't want to pay someone $15 an hour and benefits to do simple jobs like operate a cash register, wash dishes, or clean tables.

Hiking the EITC is an infinitely smarter and better way to help people who work low-income jobs on a long-term basis, especially if they're supporting or helping to support a family. It targets those who need the help, distributes the cost more broadly, and doesn't cause employers to cut back on low-income jobs.

Yes. It is essential to ignore the economic realities of statutory minimum wage in order claim it benefits everyone and harms no one.

Have you not been paying attention to these chuckleheads?

When someone pays taxes and has disposable income to spend back into the economy, everyone does benefit. As opposed to depending on Entitlements to survive.

People like you especially, better hope & pray citizens start getting paid better. You're the ones who bitch the most about their taxes being raised. More citizens depending on Entitlements, is gonna cost you much more in the end. It would be wise to pay them more and allow them to pay taxes and have some disposable income.

 

[Dragonlady]

Rational analysis proves that raising wages creates more jobs. Try looking at countries with higher minimum wages.

They don't have the extreme poverty (by first world standards) that you see in America.

Canada's minimum wage is nearly $11 per hour and MacDonalds still does a thriving business and they're NOT moving to automation.

Last but not least, the last two times the minimum wage was increased, unemployment went down and poverty decreased.

 

[paulitician]

Still not seeing how the Minimum Wage has ever hurt the U.S. Economy. We have more Millionaires and Billionaires than ever before in our history. Paying struggling workers a decent wage isn't gonna break the bank. Seriously, it's true. Anyway, have a good Saturday. See ya.

Usually when the minimum wage is raised, it raised to a level that the market is already providing to most unskilled workers anyway, so there is very little if any effect on the economy.

Gotta get the People back to work paying taxes and spending money back into the economy. There's just too many depending on Entitlements to survive. I mean just rent alone, is a killer in today's America. Get em off the Entitlements and get em back to work. We'll all benefit from it.

 

[dblack]

Rational analysis proves that raising wages creates more jobs.

Yeah? How so? Walk us through it. How does making low wage jobs illegal result in more jobs?