Millions of Americans probably praying that the ACA penalty will end immediately.

[francoHFW]

Ray's boss believed the GOP fear mongering....and stopped his health program.

Lots of companies did. Trust me, I work in industry and talk to people at different companies all day long. Because of Commie Care, it's spreading like cancer. The Democrats expected this to happen. You can find that information in the Federal Registry. Need a link, just ask. Before they started Commie Care, they estimated that up to 80% of employers would drop coverage for their employees. Then, all those people would have to buy insurance with after-tax money which would have been a huge windfall for the federal government. Last year they kept over a billion dollars in fines from people that didn't get coverage. The federal government is making out like bandits.

Yup, great job saboging it and refusing to have anything to do with fixing problems. Great job- back to scams, cutoffs, and deaths...or shock me.

Obamacare was a nightmare. You may not wanna acknowledge that, but it was the reality. The Mandate especially, should have never happened. But now it's dead. And i'm grateful to Trump for that.

ACA needed regulation, cost controls, and probably more subsidies temporarily, until costs were brought down, all mindlessly obstructed. Ok, wth is your plan? The problem is how ridiculously expensive our GOP health care has become the last 60 years..

Costs rapidly increased with the Obamacare disaster. But i understand you're just seeing what you wanna see. You're still in fanatical Obamabot-Defense Mode. It's a knee-jerk response for you.

You get what you paid for- guaranteed coverage with annual cap, coverage for pre-existing poor schnooks. Are we going back to scams and 750k bankruptcies, 500k for people who THOUGHT they had good coverage, LOSING EVERYTHING- and 40k DYING to avoid that?? Great job!

 

[Maryland Patriot]

Of course its going to cost those that get the subsidies more without the mandate. With a mandate in place that forces people to purchase insurance, companies are essentially allowed to charge the non subsidized individuals whatever it is they want/need to cover those that are getting subsidized. If you are forced to purchase, then the price is not something that you can argue.
If there is no mandate, those that would have to pay the outrageous premiums and out of pockets to cover the subsidies are free to find other means to cover their medical costs, or just go without out.
The subsidized are going to end up having to pay more than they currently do because there will not be enough people covering their 0 to 100.00 premiums.
In order to offset the subsidies, insurance companies are going to have to attract more people in the higher earning bracket to buy from them, this is going to have to be done through offering lower prices to attract more people.

The cost to the non subsidized payer is what prompted the fight against the ACA. for example, if lets say the ACA had passed and it meant that I would have had to pay 100.00 more a month in premium but my coverage and policy terms all stayed the same, I would have bitched about it, but I most likely would not have been so adamant about shutting the ACA down. However when my premiums would have doubled and my out of pocket would have gone up by 12,000 a year, there is no way that I could sit back and quietly pay the price.
As he always did, obama misread the peoples
I think it will cost the average non subsidized client less by not having a mandate. Insurance companies are going to have to have price wars to get enough people paying full price to offset those paying next to nothing.
The mandate allowed companies to charge whatever they wanted/needed.
I think the ACA should be covered with a tax on cigarettes (I smoke) junk foods and other lifestyle choices that are not generally associated with good health.

Any ideas like that should be ADDED to ACA, AND going after ridiculous costs. So you support tax on big sodas, limits? You are a Dem. lol

me a dem? no, I just want things that I dont use to be taxed to pay for the ACA, I dont want to be forced to pay. I can quit smoking, and I would just to make sure none of my money went to keeping a cockroach alive.
I hate to be cold but if someone refuses to better themselves and pay their own way, maybe it is for the good of society if they were to just get sick and die.
Society does not advance and evolution does not take place by keeping the weak and worthless in the gene pool.

Cockroaches? Nice- Only ignorance and bigotry make such bs possible. Enjoy hell. FIX ACA with all these ideas. Whatever system we have, if we even have one, should be cooperated with and TINKERED with forever. Make it Trumpcare, no one cares if it works, but going back to the GOP scam "system" is a horror. Invest in America instead of giving it away to the greedy idiot rich like the last 30 years...

the greedy idiot rich that work vs your version of an upstanding deserving intelligent citizen that does nothing but sits on their ass waiting for handouts from those greedy rich?
You seriously have things backwards in your world.
How about this, how about the lazy go ahead and get a job, earn some money and pay for their own needs for a change.

WHERE THE HELL do you get these ridiculous ideas of Dem voters, dupe? Can you see past the end of your nose and whatever putrid form of GOP propaganda you're infused with?

NOW our pathetic cowardly media starts fact checking GOP bs myths...unbelievable.

actually I did not mention GOP or Dem, is it possible that you have that idea? I dont give a F what someone considers themselves politically, if they sit on their ass and do nothing but collect money from other peoples labor, they are worthless and serve no value to society.
Im curious, if you had some piece of equipment at your house that you were paying rent on every month, but it didnt work and never has, would you get rid of it and save the money, or would you trade it for something that worked and get value from your dollar or would you just go ahead and keep the non working item and continue to pay the rent for it to sit and take up room while serving no purpose.

 

[francoHFW]

BUT, polls show that 60% of America believes it is the responsibility of the US government to ensure that all Americans have health care coverage.

Isn't that the core of the question? Should people be able to vote for others to take care of them? Or, more broadly, what should "60% of America" be allowed to force on everyone else? Anything?

Intelligence and fairness and justice, dupe?

 

[francoHFW]

Any ideas like that should be ADDED to ACA, AND going after ridiculous costs. So you support tax on big sodas, limits? You are a Dem. lol

me a dem? no, I just want things that I dont use to be taxed to pay for the ACA, I dont want to be forced to pay. I can quit smoking, and I would just to make sure none of my money went to keeping a cockroach alive.
I hate to be cold but if someone refuses to better themselves and pay their own way, maybe it is for the good of society if they were to just get sick and die.
Society does not advance and evolution does not take place by keeping the weak and worthless in the gene pool.

Cockroaches? Nice- Only ignorance and bigotry make such bs possible. Enjoy hell. FIX ACA with all these ideas. Whatever system we have, if we even have one, should be cooperated with and TINKERED with forever. Make it Trumpcare, no one cares if it works, but going back to the GOP scam "system" is a horror. Invest in America instead of giving it away to the greedy idiot rich like the last 30 years...

the greedy idiot rich that work vs your version of an upstanding deserving intelligent citizen that does nothing but sits on their ass waiting for handouts from those greedy rich?
You seriously have things backwards in your world.
How about this, how about the lazy go ahead and get a job, earn some money and pay for their own needs for a change.

WHERE THE HELL do you get these ridiculous ideas of Dem voters, dupe? Can you see past the end of your nose and whatever putrid form of GOP propaganda you're infused with?

NOW our pathetic cowardly media starts fact checking GOP bs myths...unbelievable.

actually I did not mention GOP or Dem, is it possible that you have that idea? I dont give a F what someone considers themselves politically, if they sit on their ass and do nothing but collect money from other peoples labor, they are worthless and serve no value to society.
Im curious, if you had some piece of equipment at your house that you were paying rent on every month, but it didnt work and never has, would you get rid of it and save the money, or would you trade it for something that worked and get value from your dollar or would you just go ahead and keep the non working item and continue to pay the rent for it to sit and take up room while serving no purpose.

After 30 years of Voodoo: worst min. wage, work conditions, illegal work safeguards, vacations, work week, college costs, rich/poor gap, upward social mobility, % homeless and in prison EVAH, and in the modern world!! And you complain about the victims? Are you an idiot or an A-hole?

 

[Maryland Patriot]

I understand your concern over the mandate being removed before any consideration what it would do to the families that are being subsidized was taken in to consideration, I really do.
However, where was your concern when it came to what the mandate and the tripling of premiums to subsidize those families would do to the ones that suddenly without warning found themselves unable to afford insurance any more.
Did you have as much concern for those people?
As Ray in Cleveland, If I remember correctly, I believe he said that the ACA caused him to go without insurance for the first time in his working career, Where is your concern for him? or the millions of others like him that have made sure to carry coverage, that did show a level of personal responsibility. I guess now that he cant afford the new triple cost premiums, you would consider him a free loader?
Personally, I have compassion and concern for people like Ray, someone that has always worked hard to support himself and is family, that has not been a burden on society, that has not looked at my wallet as if the contents inside were somehow owed to him. He and those like him are the ones that I care about. Not the ones that expect everyone else to support them.

Ray's boss believed the GOP fear mongering....and stopped his health program.

Lots of companies did. Trust me, I work in industry and talk to people at different companies all day long. Because of Commie Care, it's spreading like cancer. The Democrats expected this to happen. You can find that information in the Federal Registry. Need a link, just ask. Before they started Commie Care, they estimated that up to 80% of employers would drop coverage for their employees. Then, all those people would have to buy insurance with after-tax money which would have been a huge windfall for the federal government. Last year they kept over a billion dollars in fines from people that didn't get coverage. The federal government is making out like bandits.

Yup, great job saboging it and refusing to have anything to do with fixing problems. Great job- back to scams, cutoffs, and deaths...or shock me.

Obamacare was a nightmare. You may not wanna acknowledge that, but it was the reality. The Mandate especially, should have never happened. But now it's dead. And i'm grateful to Trump for that.

ACA needed regulation, cost controls, and probably more subsidies temporarily, until costs were brought down, all mindlessly obstructed. Ok, wth is your plan? The problem is how ridiculously expensive our GOP health care has become the last 60 years..

Health care would not have become so expensive if the democrats would not have forced doctors and hospitals to care for those that dont deserve the care.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

BUT, polls show that 60% of America believes it is the responsibility of the US government to ensure that all Americans have health care coverage.

Isn't that the core of the question? Should people be able to vote for others to take care of them? Or, more broadly, what should "60% of America" be allowed to force on everyone else? Anything?

Intelligence and fairness and justice, dupe?

Little off subject but Im trying to help you out here.
I know that the democrats are instructed to call people names, your talking point leaders tell you that people dont want to be called names and that they will agree with you just so you dont call them names, but here is the reality, It only serves to make you look like the bottom of the class at the special ed school for lower learning.

Signed,
Self supporting Dupe.

 

[dblack]

BUT, polls show that 60% of America believes it is the responsibility of the US government to ensure that all Americans have health care coverage.

Isn't that the core of the question? Should people be able to vote for others to take care of them? Or, more broadly, what should "60% of America" be allowed to force on everyone else? Anything?

Intelligence and fairness and justice, dupe?

And how do you intend to determine what is intelligent, fair and just? Lemme guess, majority vote?

 

[Maryland Patriot]

me a dem? no, I just want things that I dont use to be taxed to pay for the ACA, I dont want to be forced to pay. I can quit smoking, and I would just to make sure none of my money went to keeping a cockroach alive.
I hate to be cold but if someone refuses to better themselves and pay their own way, maybe it is for the good of society if they were to just get sick and die.
Society does not advance and evolution does not take place by keeping the weak and worthless in the gene pool.

Cockroaches? Nice- Only ignorance and bigotry make such bs possible. Enjoy hell. FIX ACA with all these ideas. Whatever system we have, if we even have one, should be cooperated with and TINKERED with forever. Make it Trumpcare, no one cares if it works, but going back to the GOP scam "system" is a horror. Invest in America instead of giving it away to the greedy idiot rich like the last 30 years...

the greedy idiot rich that work vs your version of an upstanding deserving intelligent citizen that does nothing but sits on their ass waiting for handouts from those greedy rich?
You seriously have things backwards in your world.
How about this, how about the lazy go ahead and get a job, earn some money and pay for their own needs for a change.

WHERE THE HELL do you get these ridiculous ideas of Dem voters, dupe? Can you see past the end of your nose and whatever putrid form of GOP propaganda you're infused with?

NOW our pathetic cowardly media starts fact checking GOP bs myths...unbelievable.

actually I did not mention GOP or Dem, is it possible that you have that idea? I dont give a F what someone considers themselves politically, if they sit on their ass and do nothing but collect money from other peoples labor, they are worthless and serve no value to society.
Im curious, if you had some piece of equipment at your house that you were paying rent on every month, but it didnt work and never has, would you get rid of it and save the money, or would you trade it for something that worked and get value from your dollar or would you just go ahead and keep the non working item and continue to pay the rent for it to sit and take up room while serving no purpose.

After 30 years of Voodoo: worst min. wage, work conditions, illegal work safeguards, vacations, work week, college costs, rich/poor gap, upward social mobility, % homeless and in prison EVAH, and in the modern world!! And you complain about the victims? Are you an idiot or an A-hole?

Idiot or asshole?
evidently Im some kind of a god in your eyes, I was able to build my career and do rather well over those 30 years that you claim people just could not make it through.
Are you admitting that Im that much smarter than everyone else?
Thank you.

 

[francoHFW]

Hell no. Health care is way too expensive...It will cost plenty more without a mandate, but who? There is no plan.

Of course its going to cost those that get the subsidies more without the mandate. With a mandate in place that forces people to purchase insurance, companies are essentially allowed to charge the non subsidized individuals whatever it is they want/need to cover those that are getting subsidized. If you are forced to purchase, then the price is not something that you can argue.
If there is no mandate, those that would have to pay the outrageous premiums and out of pockets to cover the subsidies are free to find other means to cover their medical costs, or just go without out.
The subsidized are going to end up having to pay more than they currently do because there will not be enough people covering their 0 to 100.00 premiums.
In order to offset the subsidies, insurance companies are going to have to attract more people in the higher earning bracket to buy from them, this is going to have to be done through offering lower prices to attract more people.

The cost to the non subsidized payer is what prompted the fight against the ACA. for example, if lets say the ACA had passed and it meant that I would have had to pay 100.00 more a month in premium but my coverage and policy terms all stayed the same, I would have bitched about it, but I most likely would not have been so adamant about shutting the ACA down. However when my premiums would have doubled and my out of pocket would have gone up by 12,000 a year, there is no way that I could sit back and quietly pay the price.
As he always did, obama misread the peoples

Hell no. Health care is way too expensive...It will cost plenty more without a mandate, but who? There is no plan.

I think it will cost the average non subsidized client less by not having a mandate. Insurance companies are going to have to have price wars to get enough people paying full price to offset those paying next to nothing.
The mandate allowed companies to charge whatever they wanted/needed.
I think the ACA should be covered with a tax on cigarettes (I smoke) junk foods and other lifestyle choices that are not generally associated with good health.

Any ideas like that should be ADDED to ACA, AND going after ridiculous costs. So you support tax on big sodas, limits? You are a Dem. lol

me a dem? no, I just want things that I dont use to be taxed to pay for the ACA, I dont want to be forced to pay. I can quit smoking, and I would just to make sure none of my money went to keeping a cockroach alive.
I hate to be cold but if someone refuses to better themselves and pay their own way, maybe it is for the good of society if they were to just get sick and die.
Society does not advance and evolution does not take place by keeping the weak and worthless in the gene pool.

Cockroaches? Nice- Only ignorance and bigotry make such bs possible. Enjoy hell. FIX ACA with all these ideas. Whatever system we have, if we even have one, should be cooperated with and TINKERED with forever. Make it Trumpcare, no one cares if it works, but going back to the GOP scam "system" is a horror. Invest in America instead of giving it away to the greedy idiot rich like the last 30 years...

the greedy idiot rich that work vs your version of an upstanding deserving intelligent citizen that does nothing but sits on their ass waiting for handouts from those greedy rich?
You seriously have things backwards in your world.
How about this, how about the lazy go ahead and get a job, earn some money and pay for their own needs for a change.

After 30 years of Voodoo: worst min. wage, work conditions, illegal work safeguards, vacations, work week, college costs, rich/poor gap, upward social mobility, % homeless and in prison EVAH, and in the modern world!! And you complain about the victims? Are you an idiot or an A-hole?

Ray's boss believed the GOP fear mongering....and stopped his health program.

Lots of companies did. Trust me, I work in industry and talk to people at different companies all day long. Because of Commie Care, it's spreading like cancer. The Democrats expected this to happen. You can find that information in the Federal Registry. Need a link, just ask. Before they started Commie Care, they estimated that up to 80% of employers would drop coverage for their employees. Then, all those people would have to buy insurance with after-tax money which would have been a huge windfall for the federal government. Last year they kept over a billion dollars in fines from people that didn't get coverage. The federal government is making out like bandits.

Yup, great job saboging it and refusing to have anything to do with fixing problems. Great job- back to scams, cutoffs, and deaths...or shock me.

Obamacare was a nightmare. You may not wanna acknowledge that, but it was the reality. The Mandate especially, should have never happened. But now it's dead. And i'm grateful to Trump for that.

ACA needed regulation, cost controls, and probably more subsidies temporarily, until costs were brought down, all mindlessly obstructed. Ok, wth is your plan? The problem is how ridiculously expensive our GOP health care has become the last 60 years..

Health care would not have become so expensive if the democrats would not have forced doctors and hospitals to care for those that dont deserve the care.

That was the courts under RR, not Dems- all a part of the stupidest, most ridiculously expensive, cruelest "system" anywhere.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

Of course its going to cost those that get the subsidies more without the mandate. With a mandate in place that forces people to purchase insurance, companies are essentially allowed to charge the non subsidized individuals whatever it is they want/need to cover those that are getting subsidized. If you are forced to purchase, then the price is not something that you can argue.
If there is no mandate, those that would have to pay the outrageous premiums and out of pockets to cover the subsidies are free to find other means to cover their medical costs, or just go without out.
The subsidized are going to end up having to pay more than they currently do because there will not be enough people covering their 0 to 100.00 premiums.
In order to offset the subsidies, insurance companies are going to have to attract more people in the higher earning bracket to buy from them, this is going to have to be done through offering lower prices to attract more people.

The cost to the non subsidized payer is what prompted the fight against the ACA. for example, if lets say the ACA had passed and it meant that I would have had to pay 100.00 more a month in premium but my coverage and policy terms all stayed the same, I would have bitched about it, but I most likely would not have been so adamant about shutting the ACA down. However when my premiums would have doubled and my out of pocket would have gone up by 12,000 a year, there is no way that I could sit back and quietly pay the price.
As he always did, obama misread the peoples
I think it will cost the average non subsidized client less by not having a mandate. Insurance companies are going to have to have price wars to get enough people paying full price to offset those paying next to nothing.
The mandate allowed companies to charge whatever they wanted/needed.
I think the ACA should be covered with a tax on cigarettes (I smoke) junk foods and other lifestyle choices that are not generally associated with good health.

Any ideas like that should be ADDED to ACA, AND going after ridiculous costs. So you support tax on big sodas, limits? You are a Dem. lol

me a dem? no, I just want things that I dont use to be taxed to pay for the ACA, I dont want to be forced to pay. I can quit smoking, and I would just to make sure none of my money went to keeping a cockroach alive.
I hate to be cold but if someone refuses to better themselves and pay their own way, maybe it is for the good of society if they were to just get sick and die.
Society does not advance and evolution does not take place by keeping the weak and worthless in the gene pool.

Cockroaches? Nice- Only ignorance and bigotry make such bs possible. Enjoy hell. FIX ACA with all these ideas. Whatever system we have, if we even have one, should be cooperated with and TINKERED with forever. Make it Trumpcare, no one cares if it works, but going back to the GOP scam "system" is a horror. Invest in America instead of giving it away to the greedy idiot rich like the last 30 years...

the greedy idiot rich that work vs your version of an upstanding deserving intelligent citizen that does nothing but sits on their ass waiting for handouts from those greedy rich?
You seriously have things backwards in your world.
How about this, how about the lazy go ahead and get a job, earn some money and pay for their own needs for a change.

After 30 years of Voodoo: worst min. wage, work conditions, illegal work safeguards, vacations, work week, college costs, rich/poor gap, upward social mobility, % homeless and in prison EVAH, and in the modern world!! And you complain about the victims? Are you an idiot or an A-hole?

Lots of companies did. Trust me, I work in industry and talk to people at different companies all day long. Because of Commie Care, it's spreading like cancer. The Democrats expected this to happen. You can find that information in the Federal Registry. Need a link, just ask. Before they started Commie Care, they estimated that up to 80% of employers would drop coverage for their employees. Then, all those people would have to buy insurance with after-tax money which would have been a huge windfall for the federal government. Last year they kept over a billion dollars in fines from people that didn't get coverage. The federal government is making out like bandits.

Yup, great job saboging it and refusing to have anything to do with fixing problems. Great job- back to scams, cutoffs, and deaths...or shock me.

Obamacare was a nightmare. You may not wanna acknowledge that, but it was the reality. The Mandate especially, should have never happened. But now it's dead. And i'm grateful to Trump for that.

ACA needed regulation, cost controls, and probably more subsidies temporarily, until costs were brought down, all mindlessly obstructed. Ok, wth is your plan? The problem is how ridiculously expensive our GOP health care has become the last 60 years..

Health care would not have become so expensive if the democrats would not have forced doctors and hospitals to care for those that dont deserve the care.

That was the courts under RR, not Dems- all a part of the stupidest, most ridiculously expensive, cruelest "system" anywhere.

what was cruel about what system?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

This is realty- how much Big Health and Big Pharma COST- now we have to go after cost. We the people IS the gov't. It's certainly not the Dems' fault it's a pander to the rich mess, dupe.

Commie Care was not created for "we the people" it was created for likely Democrat voters.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

I understand your concern over the mandate being removed before any consideration what it would do to the families that are being subsidized was taken in to consideration, I really do.
However, where was your concern when it came to what the mandate and the tripling of premiums to subsidize those families would do to the ones that suddenly without warning found themselves unable to afford insurance any more.
Did you have as much concern for those people?
As Ray in Cleveland, If I remember correctly, I believe he said that the ACA caused him to go without insurance for the first time in his working career, Where is your concern for him? or the millions of others like him that have made sure to carry coverage, that did show a level of personal responsibility. I guess now that he cant afford the new triple cost premiums, you would consider him a free loader?
Personally, I have compassion and concern for people like Ray, someone that has always worked hard to support himself and is family, that has not been a burden on society, that has not looked at my wallet as if the contents inside were somehow owed to him. He and those like him are the ones that I care about. Not the ones that expect everyone else to support them.

Ray's boss believed the GOP fear mongering....and stopped his health program.

Lots of companies did. Trust me, I work in industry and talk to people at different companies all day long. Because of Commie Care, it's spreading like cancer. The Democrats expected this to happen. You can find that information in the Federal Registry. Need a link, just ask. Before they started Commie Care, they estimated that up to 80% of employers would drop coverage for their employees. Then, all those people would have to buy insurance with after-tax money which would have been a huge windfall for the federal government. Last year they kept over a billion dollars in fines from people that didn't get coverage. The federal government is making out like bandits.

Yup, great job saboging it and refusing to have anything to do with fixing problems. Great job- back to scams, cutoffs, and deaths...or shock me.

Obamacare was a nightmare. You may not wanna acknowledge that, but it was the reality. The Mandate especially, should have never happened. But now it's dead. And i'm grateful to Trump for that.

ACA needed regulation, cost controls, and probably more subsidies temporarily, until costs were brought down, all mindlessly obstructed. Ok, wth is your plan? The problem is how ridiculously expensive our GOP health care has become the last 60 years..

more subsidies? you mean, even higher premiums and out of pocket expenses for those that work?
Do you think that just because someone has a job they are filthy rich and can just afford to keep giving?

 

[francoHFW]

BUT, polls show that 60% of America believes it is the responsibility of the US government to ensure that all Americans have health care coverage.

Isn't that the core of the question? Should people be able to vote for others to take care of them? Or, more broadly, what should "60% of America" be allowed to force on everyone else? Anything?

Intelligence and fairness and justice, dupe?

Little off subject but Im trying to help you out here.
I know that the democrats are instructed to call people names, your talking point leaders tell you that people dont want to be called names and that they will agree with you just so you dont call them names, but here is the reality, It only serves to make you look like the bottom of the class at the special ed school for lower learning.

Signed,
Self supporting Dupe.

We Dems are just as self supporting as you dupes. The problem is you believe a giant pile of bs GOP propaganda, so you vote for a pile of crap. It's not a personal insult, it's a political insult. Read my book. It's THE big story of US politics the last 30 years.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I'm sure something will be worked out. But i never supported fining or 'penalizing' American Citizens in that way. It was Un-American. And i am truly grateful Trump recognized that and ended it.

No, again that isn't the question.

Making a change without knowing the consequences of that change is NOT acceptable. And, even more so, as the topic is the health care coverage of American families.

Let's remember that even if the mandate HAD to be removed, the ramifications of that change should be known so that they can be mitigated in some other way.

That mandate was there for important reasons. Simply deleting it HAS to have ramifications that we should consider BEFORE they hit American families - without even so much as a WARNING!!

So, I want to know what this change will mean for American families.

And, the idea that congress would make that change without knowing what would happen is just not acceptable.

I understand your concern over the mandate being removed before any consideration what it would do to the families that are being subsidized was taken in to consideration, I really do.
However, where was your concern when it came to what the mandate and the tripling of premiums to subsidize those families would do to the ones that suddenly without warning found themselves unable to afford insurance any more.
Did you have as much concern for those people?
As Ray in Cleveland, If I remember correctly, I believe he said that the ACA caused him to go without insurance for the first time in his working career, Where is your concern for him? or the millions of others like him that have made sure to carry coverage, that did show a level of personal responsibility. I guess now that he cant afford the new triple cost premiums, you would consider him a free loader?
Personally, I have compassion and concern for people like Ray, someone that has always worked hard to support himself and is family, that has not been a burden on society, that has not looked at my wallet as if the contents inside were somehow owed to him. He and those like him are the ones that I care about. Not the ones that expect everyone else to support them.

Ray's boss believed the GOP fear mongering....and stopped his health program.

Lots of companies did. Trust me, I work in industry and talk to people at different companies all day long. Because of Commie Care, it's spreading like cancer. The Democrats expected this to happen. You can find that information in the Federal Registry. Need a link, just ask. Before they started Commie Care, they estimated that up to 80% of employers would drop coverage for their employees. Then, all those people would have to buy insurance with after-tax money which would have been a huge windfall for the federal government. Last year they kept over a billion dollars in fines from people that didn't get coverage. The federal government is making out like bandits.

and that is what the liberals are too stupid to understand.
when the government says the ACA is going to save billions of dollars, they were not referring to the taxpayers saving any money. First off, the billions that are saved are not going to result in lower taxes, it will be used most likely for more programs to keep the unworthy alive and leaching off of society.
When the employer drops the health care contributions from the employees, the employer is not going to pass those savings on to the worker, that money is going to go to build the bottom line of the companies books.
All of the savings are for big business and government. The cost is going to just be transferred over to the workers, that big number that is spent on health care in the U.S is not going away, its still getting paid, but now we are going to be paying the same amount in taxes plus the added amount for the insurance.
Liberals prove every day that they are without a doubt the biggest idiots that have ever walked the face of the earth.

It's why I've always said if I were ever going to try and sell a bridge to somebody, I'd make sure it was a liberal, because they'll believe anything.

 

[francoHFW]

This is realty- how much Big Health and Big Pharma COST- now we have to go after cost. We the people IS the gov't. It's certainly not the Dems' fault it's a pander to the rich mess, dupe.

Commie Care was not created for "we the people" it was created for likely Democrat voters.

Humbug, dupe. GOP has just as many poor workers and pre-existing conditions people as Dems. The ones on welfare already got Medicaid everywhere...

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

This is realty- how much Big Health and Big Pharma COST- now we have to go after cost. We the people IS the gov't. It's certainly not the Dems' fault it's a pander to the rich mess, dupe.

Commie Care was not created for "we the people" it was created for likely Democrat voters.

Humbug, dupe. GOP has just as many poor workers and pre-existing conditions people as Dems. The ones on welfare already got Medicaid everywhere...

Utter bull. When Romney ran for President, there were some districts (like here in Cleveland) where he didn't even get on vote. Inner cities is where most of the poor live all vote Democrat.

 

[francoHFW]

No, again that isn't the question.

Making a change without knowing the consequences of that change is NOT acceptable. And, even more so, as the topic is the health care coverage of American families.

Let's remember that even if the mandate HAD to be removed, the ramifications of that change should be known so that they can be mitigated in some other way.

That mandate was there for important reasons. Simply deleting it HAS to have ramifications that we should consider BEFORE they hit American families - without even so much as a WARNING!!

So, I want to know what this change will mean for American families.

And, the idea that congress would make that change without knowing what would happen is just not acceptable.

I understand your concern over the mandate being removed before any consideration what it would do to the families that are being subsidized was taken in to consideration, I really do.
However, where was your concern when it came to what the mandate and the tripling of premiums to subsidize those families would do to the ones that suddenly without warning found themselves unable to afford insurance any more.
Did you have as much concern for those people?
As Ray in Cleveland, If I remember correctly, I believe he said that the ACA caused him to go without insurance for the first time in his working career, Where is your concern for him? or the millions of others like him that have made sure to carry coverage, that did show a level of personal responsibility. I guess now that he cant afford the new triple cost premiums, you would consider him a free loader?
Personally, I have compassion and concern for people like Ray, someone that has always worked hard to support himself and is family, that has not been a burden on society, that has not looked at my wallet as if the contents inside were somehow owed to him. He and those like him are the ones that I care about. Not the ones that expect everyone else to support them.

Ray's boss believed the GOP fear mongering....and stopped his health program.

Lots of companies did. Trust me, I work in industry and talk to people at different companies all day long. Because of Commie Care, it's spreading like cancer. The Democrats expected this to happen. You can find that information in the Federal Registry. Need a link, just ask. Before they started Commie Care, they estimated that up to 80% of employers would drop coverage for their employees. Then, all those people would have to buy insurance with after-tax money which would have been a huge windfall for the federal government. Last year they kept over a billion dollars in fines from people that didn't get coverage. The federal government is making out like bandits.

and that is what the liberals are too stupid to understand.
when the government says the ACA is going to save billions of dollars, they were not referring to the taxpayers saving any money. First off, the billions that are saved are not going to result in lower taxes, it will be used most likely for more programs to keep the unworthy alive and leaching off of society.
When the employer drops the health care contributions from the employees, the employer is not going to pass those savings on to the worker, that money is going to go to build the bottom line of the companies books.
All of the savings are for big business and government. The cost is going to just be transferred over to the workers, that big number that is spent on health care in the U.S is not going away, its still getting paid, but now we are going to be paying the same amount in taxes plus the added amount for the insurance.
Liberals prove every day that they are without a doubt the biggest idiots that have ever walked the face of the earth.

It's why I've always said if I were ever going to try and sell a bridge to somebody, I'd make sure it was a liberal, because they'll believe anything.

Hilariously ironic, dupe. Example? That's not a prediction blocked by the mindless GOP, or just total bs that makes up the GOP fake news planet, please?

4 million illegals voted, Obama had 2 years of control, his policies cause this mess, this isn't Reaganism rolling on, Total Pub Propaganda BS: ACORN, Kenyan Muslim Marxist,Tides, Mosque, Death Panel, lose your doctor, huge costs, DEBT CRISIS, Obama Recession, stimulus failed, Barney Frank, Nazi Soros, Nazi socialists, Volt suqs, Iran making bomb etc etc.
I'm sorry- dupes are lovely people- but I can't take their lazy, ignorant, careless, stupid politics a minute longer. Sorry

 

[dblack]

We the people IS the gov't.

Ahh... there's your mistake. The whole point of the phrase "we the people" is to draw a distinction between government and the broader community. The idea is it's the people who dictate to government, not the other way around. It's NOT, as you seem to be suggesting, a rallying cry for majority rule.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

BUT, polls show that 60% of America believes it is the responsibility of the US government to ensure that all Americans have health care coverage.

Isn't that the core of the question? Should people be able to vote for others to take care of them? Or, more broadly, what should "60% of America" be allowed to force on everyone else? Anything?

Intelligence and fairness and justice, dupe?

Little off subject but Im trying to help you out here.
I know that the democrats are instructed to call people names, your talking point leaders tell you that people dont want to be called names and that they will agree with you just so you dont call them names, but here is the reality, It only serves to make you look like the bottom of the class at the special ed school for lower learning.

Signed,
Self supporting Dupe.

We Dems are just as self supporting as you dupes. The problem is you believe a giant pile of bs GOP propaganda, so you vote for a pile of crap. It's not a personal insult, it's a political insult. Read my book. It's THE big story of US politics the last 30 years.

you dems are not just as self supporting. The majority of those sucking up welfare, or running around claiming that the rich dont pay their fair share (even though they pay millions to your thousands) are liberals.
and I did not vote for a piece of shit, I would never vote for clintion. or obama, the two biggest pieces of shit this country has seen for many years, maybe in the countries history. The problem is that you are so wrapped up in what your masters tell you to think that you are unable to think for yourself anymore.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

I understand your concern over the mandate being removed before any consideration what it would do to the families that are being subsidized was taken in to consideration, I really do.
However, where was your concern when it came to what the mandate and the tripling of premiums to subsidize those families would do to the ones that suddenly without warning found themselves unable to afford insurance any more.
Did you have as much concern for those people?
As Ray in Cleveland, If I remember correctly, I believe he said that the ACA caused him to go without insurance for the first time in his working career, Where is your concern for him? or the millions of others like him that have made sure to carry coverage, that did show a level of personal responsibility. I guess now that he cant afford the new triple cost premiums, you would consider him a free loader?
Personally, I have compassion and concern for people like Ray, someone that has always worked hard to support himself and is family, that has not been a burden on society, that has not looked at my wallet as if the contents inside were somehow owed to him. He and those like him are the ones that I care about. Not the ones that expect everyone else to support them.

Ray's boss believed the GOP fear mongering....and stopped his health program.

Lots of companies did. Trust me, I work in industry and talk to people at different companies all day long. Because of Commie Care, it's spreading like cancer. The Democrats expected this to happen. You can find that information in the Federal Registry. Need a link, just ask. Before they started Commie Care, they estimated that up to 80% of employers would drop coverage for their employees. Then, all those people would have to buy insurance with after-tax money which would have been a huge windfall for the federal government. Last year they kept over a billion dollars in fines from people that didn't get coverage. The federal government is making out like bandits.

and that is what the liberals are too stupid to understand.
when the government says the ACA is going to save billions of dollars, they were not referring to the taxpayers saving any money. First off, the billions that are saved are not going to result in lower taxes, it will be used most likely for more programs to keep the unworthy alive and leaching off of society.
When the employer drops the health care contributions from the employees, the employer is not going to pass those savings on to the worker, that money is going to go to build the bottom line of the companies books.
All of the savings are for big business and government. The cost is going to just be transferred over to the workers, that big number that is spent on health care in the U.S is not going away, its still getting paid, but now we are going to be paying the same amount in taxes plus the added amount for the insurance.
Liberals prove every day that they are without a doubt the biggest idiots that have ever walked the face of the earth.

It's why I've always said if I were ever going to try and sell a bridge to somebody, I'd make sure it was a liberal, because they'll believe anything.

Hilariously ironic, dupe. Example? That's not a prediction blocked by the mindless GOP, or just total bs that makes up the GOP fake news planet, please?

4 million illegals voted, Obama had 2 years of control, his policies cause this mess, this isn't Reaganism rolling on, Total Pub Propaganda BS: ACORN, Kenyan Muslim Marxist,Tides, Mosque, Death Panel, lose your doctor, huge costs, DEBT CRISIS, Obama Recession, stimulus failed, Barney Frank, Nazi Soros, Nazi socialists, Volt suqs, Iran making bomb etc etc.
I'm sorry- dupes are lovely people- but I can't take their lazy, ignorant, careless, stupid politics a minute longer. Sorry

republicans are lazy? thats pretty funny.
I say cut off all public assistance then and lets really screw those lazy ass republicans. The dems should go for this. We can balance the budget just by taking public assistance away from all the republicans, oh, and that one democrat that is on public assistance somewhere in the mountains of Colorado.
The fact that you actually think what you do is proof that you are too lazy to research these things for yourself. Maybe we should start a new government agency, department of research, that way democrats will be able to have research available to them also.