Military court rules "Bump Stocks," are not machine guns.....duh.....

[DrLove]

Here's a guy shooting 4 mags, 120 rounds, in 60 seconds. And he's an extremely slow shooter and slow at changing mags. Imagine how many more could be killed by a guy just picking up another loaded gun or who knew how to rapid change a magazine.

Two per second is not NINE per second

 

[woodwork201]

That is the way it is defined, but it was poorly defined. Machine guns were banned because of their rate of fire. but they mistakenly thought regulating the trigger system design was all it took to limit that rate. It's time to redefine what we need tp limit, and to write new rules that actually accomplish that goal.

ATF rules a 14 inch shoe string is a machine gun:

Shoestring Machine Gun – Everyday No Days Off

A rubber band is a machine gun:



In fact, you can rapid fire a gun simply by how you hold it to your shoulder



So, please provide a list of all things to be banned to prevent rapid fire of any gun. Start with bellies, hips, shoulders, and fingers, because any of those can be used to do it.

The reason gun rights supporters object to the banning of a relatively useless range toy is that it is just one more meaningless, feel-good-only, ban from the left. It's that pattern of banning these that have no effect on the murder of babies in Chicago and other cities that worry us because bump stocks are just one in a long history, and longer plan going forward, of meaningless, ineffective, bans that are designed, in the end, to remove our ability to exercise our natural right to the tools of defense.

 

[woodwork201]

Two per second is not NINE per second

Any one can pull the trigger 9 times in a second. The point is, it could be 60 dead in 30 seconds - which is, of course, far, far, faster than the Vegas shooter killed.

 

[DrLove]

Any one can pull the trigger 9 times in a second. The point is, it could be 60 dead in 30 seconds - which is, of course, far, far, faster than the Vegas shooter killed.

No you idiot, nobody can pull a semi-auto trigger 9 times in a second.


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The rate of fire number is fairly misleading. From an engineering perspective, yes, the rate of fire could be classed as 180 rounds per minute, or even higher. But just because that’s the rate, doesn’t mean that you can actually fire 180 rounds in a minute.
The rate of fire is going to be slowed by the fact that you have to do mag changes every 30 rounds or so, by the fact that your finger won’t be keeping up for that long, and probably even by heat in the rifle.
Realistically, an experienced shooter can probably fire 3 rounds a second, at least to start. But every 30 rounds (ten seconds) they need to stop and reload. That reload will take about five seconds, unless you are VERY fast. So that’s 30 rounds in 15 seconds (effective fire rate of 120 rounds per minute, not 180). Few people will retain that fire rate through the a full minute, probably slowing to closer to two rounds per second by the end. My guess is that an experienced shooter (though not a professional) is probably looking at around 90 rounds a minute of effective fire. You might be able to speed it up a bit if you sacrifice all accuracy and normal use of a firearm.

 

[Flash]

ATF rules a 14 inch shoe string is a machine gun:

Shoestring Machine Gun – Everyday No Days Off

A rubber band is a machine gun:



In fact, you can rapid fire a gun simply by how you hold it to your shoulder



So, please provide a list of all things to be banned to prevent rapid fire of any gun. Start with bellies, hips, shoulders, and fingers, because any of those can be used to do it.

The reason gun rights supporters object to the banning of a relatively useless range toy is that it is just one more meaningless, feel-good-only, ban from the left. It's that pattern of banning these that have no effect on the murder of babies in Chicago and other cities that worry us because bump stocks are just one in a long history, and longer plan going forward, of meaningless, ineffective, bans that are designed, in the end, to remove our ability to exercise our natural right to the tools of defense.

Jerry's video substantiates what I have been saying. Bump stocks are inaccurate as hell and it jammed on him four or five times. Also semi auto is faster and significantly more accurate.

 

[DrLove]

Jerry's video substantiates what I have been saying. Bump stocks are inaccurate as hell and it jammed on him four or five times. Also semi auto is faster and significantly more accurate.

Didn't need to be accurate loon. Any idiot can hit a crowd of 25,000 people from an elevated position at 100 yards. Stop being Stoopid.

 

[2aguy]

that means more than half did hit people,, sounds like a useful weapon in the right hands,,

Are you really siding with the idiots on this?

He was firing into a tightly packed crowd of over 22,000 people....who didn't know they were under fire, and who had limited exits to escape.....

 

[2aguy]

Didn't need to be accurate loon. Any idiot can hit a crowd of 25,000 people from an elevated position at 100 yards. Stop being Stoopid.

Over 400 yards, doofus.

He needed to get the bullets into the concert area, and about half went over the crowd....according to the numbers you posted.

 

[progressive hunter]

Are you really siding with the idiots on this?

He was firing into a tightly packed crowd of over 22,000 people....who didn't know they were under fire, and who had limited exits to escape.....

thats a situational issue,, if my house is attacked by hundreds of antifa I would love to have a bumpstock instead of a single shot semi-auto,,,

 

[DrLove]

Over 400 yards, doofus.

He needed to get the bullets into the concert area, and about half went over the crowd....according to the numbers you posted.

Still a piece of cake assuming he wasn't drunk.

 

[2aguy]

Still a piece of cake assuming he wasn't drunk.

And the only reason he was able to kill so many was the fact they were in a tightly packed crowd......if he had fired on a street, or somewhere else they could have escaped or hidden behing things....

the bump stock did not help him....it saved lives because if caused bullets to completely miss the concert area....you dumb ass.

 

[2aguy]

Still a piece of cake assuming he wasn't drunk.

Hey...Pythagoras.....explain to us how the slightest tilt upward of the barrel changed the angle of his shooting........that means that the bullets flew over the concert area.....you dumb ass.

 

[2aguy]

thats a situational issue,, if my house is attacked by hundreds of antifa I would love to have a bumpstock instead of a single shot semi-auto,,,

No, actually, you wouldn't.....you would miss them. Semi-automatic fire would be far more accurate.

 

[DrLove]

Hey...Pythagoras.....explain to us how the slightest tilt upward of the barrel changed the angle of his shooting........that means that the bullets flew over the concert area.....you dumb ass.

Do you have a link to back up your butt hunch? No?? Then beat it.

 

[DrLove]

No, actually, you wouldn't.....you would miss them. Semi-automatic fire would be far more accurate.

Well yes, probably it would have been more accurate.
If only it were possible to fire 9 rounds per second with a semi-auto and no bump

 

[progressive hunter]

No, actually, you wouldn't.....you would miss them. Semi-automatic fire would be far more accurate.

so youre saying a large amount of ammo going downrange into a large group of people is less effective than single shots??
and dont forget with a bumpstock you can always switch to single fire when you need better accuracy,,,

really doesnt matter cause we should all have full auto as per the 2nd A permits,,,

 

[westwall]

that means more than half did hit people,, sounds like a useful weapon in the right hands,,

The fact that the asshole used the bump stock saved lives. That is not arguable. It is also obvious that had he used a semi truck and driven through the venue he would have killed thousands.

The hotel room was set up as an anti gun advertisement. That was the main purpose of his crime.

And, he was a former IRS agent... so, once again he was one of those the anti gun people think are the only people who should have guns.

 

[progressive hunter]

The fact that the asshole used the bump stock saved lives. That is not arguable. It is also obvious that had he used a semi truck and driven through the venue he would have killed thousands.

The hotel room was set up as an anti gun advertisement. That was the main purpose of his crime.

And, he was a former IRS agent... so, once again he was one of those the anti gun people think are the only people who should have guns.

as I said,, its all situational,,,

if a person wants to kill innocent people they will always find a way,,

 

[Flash]

so youre saying a large amount of ammo going downrange into a large group of people is less effective than single shots??
and dont forget with a bumpstock you can always switch to single fire when you need better accuracy,,,

really doesnt matter cause we should all have full auto as per the 2nd A permits,,,

We don't know how many of the 1000 bullets he fired were from the one bump stock he had among the 23 firearms.

However, it is likely not many given the propensity of the bump stock to jam a gun. You can get a great example of that in the Jerry Miculek video above where it jams several times. That is what I would see as a range officer when the kids would bring out the stupid bumpstocks just to hear it go bang bang bang.

 

[2aguy]

so youre saying a large amount of ammo going downrange into a large group of people is less effective than single shots??
and dont forget with a bumpstock you can always switch to single fire when you need better accuracy,,,

really doesnt matter cause we should all have full auto as per the 2nd A permits,,,

No....as I told the other two idiots, the bumpstock pushed the muzzle up and likely jammed the rifle...saving lives.

Sooo....you are an idiot too...