Mike Waltz to Clean Out Deep Staters from National Security Council: ‘We’re Taking Resignations at 12:01’ on January 20

[struth]

What they were discussing was the intelligence department.

Correct, about how the folks in it will go after Trump. Which we saw. Nothing to do wit. Project 2025

 

[evenokeel]

If the right wants a true showing of a deep state, then read the republican manifesto for an authoritarian state and then read the articles associated with that from ProPublica and the Associated Press and then watch the indoctrination videos from ProPublica. Wake up - Trump is not ushering in a democratic - republic, professional, ethical state of affairs he is ushering in chaos, division and authoritarian rule and the ones who will suffer are the ones on Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, public housing and federal and state assistance and the list goes on. Those are the irrefutable facts.

 

[westwall]

What evidence doYou have that the entire staff of the National Security Council are “proven” traitors????

oh, that’s right. You just made it up.

Their inaction on all of the Chinese incursions, and their attacks on Trump, and any who challenged them is proof.

Duh....

 

[evenokeel]

Correct, about how the folks in it will go after Trump. Which we saw. Nothing to do wit. Project 2025

You're missing the point altogether. Have you read anything at all about this new administration and its agenda's going forward? No one is going after Trump this time around. The system is being geared toward working for Trump solely in every branch and jurisdiction. Any decent will be met with swift action on the new administrations part to quiet them.

 

[westwall]

You're missing the point altogether. Have you read anything at all about this new administration and its agenda's going forward?

Yeah, we have. They have told us they are going to be transparent and expose the criminal actions that the deep state has been engaged in.

 

[evenokeel]

Yeah, we have. They have told us they are going to be transparent and expose the criminal actions that the deep state has been engaged in.

The deep state is the Right.

 

[westwall]

The deep state is the Right.

The deep state is neither right nor left. The deep state is the political class, and they are the enemy of the people of this country.

 

[struth]

You're missing the point altogether. Have you read anything at all about this new administration and its agenda's going forward? No one is going after Trump this time around. The system is being geared toward working for Trump solely in every branch and jurisdiction. Any decent will be met with swift action on the new administrations part to quiet them.

Yes I am aware of his agenda

Correct nobody is going after Trump this time around

 

[westwall]

Yes I am aware of his agenda

Correct nobody is going after Trump this time around

Oh, yeah they are. They are just being quiet about it right now.

 

[evenokeel]

The deep state is neither right nor left. The deep state is the political class, and they are the enemy of the people of this country.

That is not what the right has been screaming all these years.

 

[westwall]

That is not what the right has been screaming all these years.

I don't care what operatives say. I care about facts.

 

[evenokeel]

The true deep state is the right political body and always has been and its manifesto is centralized in the Heritage Foundation handbook, Mandate for Leadership, The Conservative Promise (Republican Party or Political Right). The more people deflect from this manifesto and its contents and the movement it entails the more I am sure the right is the true Deep State. The following is an outline for lessons for those interested.:

Project 2025, orchestrated by the Heritage Foundation, serves as a stark embodiment of authoritarian ambition masquerading as reform. Under the guise of combating the so-called "Deep State," this initiative deploys a calculated and sinister tactic: accusing its opponents of the very actions it seeks to undertake. This strategy, drawn directly from authoritarian playbooks, including those of Nazi Germany, is a masterstroke of psychological manipulation and narrative control. It is the true "Deep State" of right-wing politics cloaking itself in the language of freedom while orchestrating a systematic dismantling of democracy.

The Reverse Condemnation Playbook

One of the hallmark strategies of authoritarian regimes is to accuse their opponents of the very schemes they are executing. This technique, known as reverse condemnation, is rooted in deflection and projection. By accusing others of authoritarianism, conspiracies, or corruption, the perpetrator not only muddies the waters of accountability but also garners preemptive justification for their own actions.

The Nazis employed this tactic with chilling precision, painting Jews, socialists, and dissenters as threats to German unity and democracy while they systematically eroded democratic institutions. This approach served to create an "enemy within," a fabricated menace that justified the Nazis' authoritarian overreach. Similarly, Project 2025 weaponizes the term "Deep State," casting career civil servants, independent regulators, and nonpartisan institutions as villains obstructing the will of the people.

How the Right Has Become the True 'Deep State'

The right-wing movement spearheaded by Project 2025 exemplifies the very definition of a "Deep State." Traditionally, the term refers to an entrenched network of actors who operate behind the scenes to manipulate government policy and consolidate power. Under this definition, Project 2025’s blueprint is a textbook example of such behavior:

Subverting Democratic Norms: The plan seeks to replace nonpartisan civil servants with ideological loyalists, ensuring that key positions in federal agencies are filled by individuals who prioritize partisan goals over public service.

Consolidating Power: By aiming to centralize authority within the executive branch and dismantle independent agencies, the initiative eliminates checks and balances fundamental to democratic governance.

Covert Indoctrination: Training programs such as the Presidential Administration Academy prepare appointees not as stewards of public trust but as instruments of a political agenda, enforcing conformity and suppressing dissent.

Narrative Control: Just as authoritarian regimes manipulate public discourse, Project 2025 seeks to dominate narratives by labeling opponents as conspirators or obstacles to progress, thereby stifling genuine debate.

Deflection as a Weapon

The genius of this reverse condemnation tactic lies in its ability to deflect scrutiny. By constantly accusing others of being a "Deep State," right-wing operatives divert attention from their own actions, muddying the discourse and making it harder for the public to discern truth from propaganda. It is a preemptive strike, framing criticism of their authoritarian tendencies as mere "partisan attacks" or the whining of a liberal elite.

This tactic also serves a more insidious purpose: sowing distrust in democratic institutions. If the public comes to see the judiciary, regulatory agencies, or even law enforcement as tools of a mythical "Deep State," these institutions lose their legitimacy, paving the way for their replacement with partisan entities loyal to the regime.

The Nazi Playbook in Action

Project 2025’s approach eerily mirrors the propaganda techniques of Nazi Germany, where accusations of disloyalty and conspiracy were leveled at Jews, communists, and other minorities to justify draconian measures. The Nazis accused their enemies of plotting to undermine the state while they themselves orchestrated the dismantling of Germany's democratic Weimar Republic. By the time the true nature of their agenda became clear, it was too late for meaningful resistance.

Similarly, Project 2025 cloaks itself in the rhetoric of "draining the swamp" and "fighting the Deep State," all while laying the groundwork for a government that serves a narrow ideological elite. The irony is profound: the very people decrying a "Deep State" are actively creating one, but under their control.

Exposing the Right-Wing 'Deep State'

True patriots—those who value democracy, equality, and the rule of law—must expose and counter this dangerous strategy. The key lies in unmasking the false narratives perpetuated by Project 2025 and emphasizing the following truths:

Public Servants Are Not the Enemy: Career civil servants and independent regulators are essential to a functioning democracy. Their role is to implement laws and policies impartially, not to serve any political agenda.

Centralization Is the Real Threat: Project 2025’s proposals to consolidate power in the executive branch and dismantle agencies are antithetical to the decentralized, balanced governance envisioned by the Constitution.

Indoctrination Undermines Freedom: Training programs that enforce ideological loyalty erode the independence and critical thinking necessary for good governance.

Projection Is a Warning Sign: When a political movement accuses its opponents of authoritarianism while dismantling democratic norms, it is a signal of dangerous intent.

In conclusion, fact: The "Deep State" is the Republican Party and Maga and the political right.

 

[westwall]

The true deep state is the right political body and always has been and its manifesto is centralized in the Heritage Foundation handbook, Mandate for Leadership, The Conservative Promise (Republican Party or Political Right). The more people deflect from this manifesto and its contents and the movement it entails the more I am sure the right is the true Deep State. The following is an outline for lessons for those interested.:

Project 2025, orchestrated by the Heritage Foundation, serves as a stark embodiment of authoritarian ambition masquerading as reform. Under the guise of combating the so-called "Deep State," this initiative deploys a calculated and sinister tactic: accusing its opponents of the very actions it seeks to undertake. This strategy, drawn directly from authoritarian playbooks, including those of Nazi Germany, is a masterstroke of psychological manipulation and narrative control. It is the true "Deep State" of right-wing politics cloaking itself in the language of freedom while orchestrating a systematic dismantling of democracy.

The Reverse Condemnation Playbook

One of the hallmark strategies of authoritarian regimes is to accuse their opponents of the very schemes they are executing. This technique, known as reverse condemnation, is rooted in deflection and projection. By accusing others of authoritarianism, conspiracies, or corruption, the perpetrator not only muddies the waters of accountability but also garners preemptive justification for their own actions.

The Nazis employed this tactic with chilling precision, painting Jews, socialists, and dissenters as threats to German unity and democracy while they systematically eroded democratic institutions. This approach served to create an "enemy within," a fabricated menace that justified the Nazis' authoritarian overreach. Similarly, Project 2025 weaponizes the term "Deep State," casting career civil servants, independent regulators, and nonpartisan institutions as villains obstructing the will of the people.

How the Right Has Become the True 'Deep State'

The right-wing movement spearheaded by Project 2025 exemplifies the very definition of a "Deep State." Traditionally, the term refers to an entrenched network of actors who operate behind the scenes to manipulate government policy and consolidate power. Under this definition, Project 2025’s blueprint is a textbook example of such behavior:

Subverting Democratic Norms: The plan seeks to replace nonpartisan civil servants with ideological loyalists, ensuring that key positions in federal agencies are filled by individuals who prioritize partisan goals over public service.

Consolidating Power: By aiming to centralize authority within the executive branch and dismantle independent agencies, the initiative eliminates checks and balances fundamental to democratic governance.

Covert Indoctrination: Training programs such as the Presidential Administration Academy prepare appointees not as stewards of public trust but as instruments of a political agenda, enforcing conformity and suppressing dissent.

Narrative Control: Just as authoritarian regimes manipulate public discourse, Project 2025 seeks to dominate narratives by labeling opponents as conspirators or obstacles to progress, thereby stifling genuine debate.

Deflection as a Weapon

The genius of this reverse condemnation tactic lies in its ability to deflect scrutiny. By constantly accusing others of being a "Deep State," right-wing operatives divert attention from their own actions, muddying the discourse and making it harder for the public to discern truth from propaganda. It is a preemptive strike, framing criticism of their authoritarian tendencies as mere "partisan attacks" or the whining of a liberal elite.

This tactic also serves a more insidious purpose: sowing distrust in democratic institutions. If the public comes to see the judiciary, regulatory agencies, or even law enforcement as tools of a mythical "Deep State," these institutions lose their legitimacy, paving the way for their replacement with partisan entities loyal to the regime.

The Nazi Playbook in Action

Project 2025’s approach eerily mirrors the propaganda techniques of Nazi Germany, where accusations of disloyalty and conspiracy were leveled at Jews, communists, and other minorities to justify draconian measures. The Nazis accused their enemies of plotting to undermine the state while they themselves orchestrated the dismantling of Germany's democratic Weimar Republic. By the time the true nature of their agenda became clear, it was too late for meaningful resistance.

Similarly, Project 2025 cloaks itself in the rhetoric of "draining the swamp" and "fighting the Deep State," all while laying the groundwork for a government that serves a narrow ideological elite. The irony is profound: the very people decrying a "Deep State" are actively creating one, but under their control.

Exposing the Right-Wing 'Deep State'

True patriots—those who value democracy, equality, and the rule of law—must expose and counter this dangerous strategy. The key lies in unmasking the false narratives perpetuated by Project 2025 and emphasizing the following truths:

Public Servants Are Not the Enemy: Career civil servants and independent regulators are essential to a functioning democracy. Their role is to implement laws and policies impartially, not to serve any political agenda.

Centralization Is the Real Threat: Project 2025’s proposals to consolidate power in the executive branch and dismantle agencies are antithetical to the decentralized, balanced governance envisioned by the Constitution.

Indoctrination Undermines Freedom: Training programs that enforce ideological loyalty erode the independence and critical thinking necessary for good governance.

Projection Is a Warning Sign: When a political movement accuses its opponents of authoritarianism while dismantling democratic norms, it is a signal of dangerous intent.

Total BS.

 

[TimFitz]

The true deep state is the right political body and always has been and its manifesto is centralized in the Heritage Foundation handbook, Mandate for Leadership, The Conservative Promise (Republican Party or Political Right). The more people deflect from this manifesto and its contents and the movement it entails the more I am sure the right is the true Deep State. The following is an outline for lessons for those interested.:

Project 2025, orchestrated by the Heritage Foundation, serves as a stark embodiment of authoritarian ambition masquerading as reform. Under the guise of combating the so-called "Deep State," this initiative deploys a calculated and sinister tactic: accusing its opponents of the very actions it seeks to undertake. This strategy, drawn directly from authoritarian playbooks, including those of Nazi Germany, is a masterstroke of psychological manipulation and narrative control. It is the true "Deep State" of right-wing politics cloaking itself in the language of freedom while orchestrating a systematic dismantling of democracy.

The Reverse Condemnation Playbook

One of the hallmark strategies of authoritarian regimes is to accuse their opponents of the very schemes they are executing. This technique, known as reverse condemnation, is rooted in deflection and projection. By accusing others of authoritarianism, conspiracies, or corruption, the perpetrator not only muddies the waters of accountability but also garners preemptive justification for their own actions.

The Nazis employed this tactic with chilling precision, painting Jews, socialists, and dissenters as threats to German unity and democracy while they systematically eroded democratic institutions. This approach served to create an "enemy within," a fabricated menace that justified the Nazis' authoritarian overreach. Similarly, Project 2025 weaponizes the term "Deep State," casting career civil servants, independent regulators, and nonpartisan institutions as villains obstructing the will of the people.

How the Right Has Become the True 'Deep State'

The right-wing movement spearheaded by Project 2025 exemplifies the very definition of a "Deep State." Traditionally, the term refers to an entrenched network of actors who operate behind the scenes to manipulate government policy and consolidate power. Under this definition, Project 2025’s blueprint is a textbook example of such behavior:

Subverting Democratic Norms: The plan seeks to replace nonpartisan civil servants with ideological loyalists, ensuring that key positions in federal agencies are filled by individuals who prioritize partisan goals over public service.

Consolidating Power: By aiming to centralize authority within the executive branch and dismantle independent agencies, the initiative eliminates checks and balances fundamental to democratic governance.

Covert Indoctrination: Training programs such as the Presidential Administration Academy prepare appointees not as stewards of public trust but as instruments of a political agenda, enforcing conformity and suppressing dissent.

Narrative Control: Just as authoritarian regimes manipulate public discourse, Project 2025 seeks to dominate narratives by labeling opponents as conspirators or obstacles to progress, thereby stifling genuine debate.

Deflection as a Weapon

The genius of this reverse condemnation tactic lies in its ability to deflect scrutiny. By constantly accusing others of being a "Deep State," right-wing operatives divert attention from their own actions, muddying the discourse and making it harder for the public to discern truth from propaganda. It is a preemptive strike, framing criticism of their authoritarian tendencies as mere "partisan attacks" or the whining of a liberal elite.

This tactic also serves a more insidious purpose: sowing distrust in democratic institutions. If the public comes to see the judiciary, regulatory agencies, or even law enforcement as tools of a mythical "Deep State," these institutions lose their legitimacy, paving the way for their replacement with partisan entities loyal to the regime.

The Nazi Playbook in Action

Project 2025’s approach eerily mirrors the propaganda techniques of Nazi Germany, where accusations of disloyalty and conspiracy were leveled at Jews, communists, and other minorities to justify draconian measures. The Nazis accused their enemies of plotting to undermine the state while they themselves orchestrated the dismantling of Germany's democratic Weimar Republic. By the time the true nature of their agenda became clear, it was too late for meaningful resistance.

Similarly, Project 2025 cloaks itself in the rhetoric of "draining the swamp" and "fighting the Deep State," all while laying the groundwork for a government that serves a narrow ideological elite. The irony is profound: the very people decrying a "Deep State" are actively creating one, but under their control.

Exposing the Right-Wing 'Deep State'

True patriots—those who value democracy, equality, and the rule of law—must expose and counter this dangerous strategy. The key lies in unmasking the false narratives perpetuated by Project 2025 and emphasizing the following truths:

Public Servants Are Not the Enemy: Career civil servants and independent regulators are essential to a functioning democracy. Their role is to implement laws and policies impartially, not to serve any political agenda.

Centralization Is the Real Threat: Project 2025’s proposals to consolidate power in the executive branch and dismantle agencies are antithetical to the decentralized, balanced governance envisioned by the Constitution.

Indoctrination Undermines Freedom: Training programs that enforce ideological loyalty erode the independence and critical thinking necessary for good governance.

Projection Is a Warning Sign: When a political movement accuses its opponents of authoritarianism while dismantling democratic norms, it is a signal of dangerous intent.

one of the biggest differences between this crowd and their Guilded Age predecessors is that the real power remained in the background in the past.

JP Morgan may have all but installed McKinley in office, but he did not show up at the Inaugurztion or parade for the media, the way Musk and the billionaires who have pid for Trump do.

Your remarks about the very obvious parallels between the rise of Nazi Germany and Trump are spot on.

 

[TimFitz]

Total BS.

Really?

With Elon Musk, a host of Wall Street billionaires and their crowd gathering in the Capitol rotunda, it’s pretty easy to see the “Deep State” on display, coming to check up on their investment.

 

[evenokeel]

Total BS.

Not the reply I would expect from a knowledgeable political enthusiast.

 

[evenokeel]

Really?

With Elon Musk, a host of Wall Street billionaires and their crowd gathering in the Capitol rotunda, it’s pretty easy to see the “Deep State” on display, coming to check up on their investment.

Perfect analogy.

 

[struth]

Really?

With Elon Musk, a host of Wall Street billionaires and their crowd gathering in the Capitol rotunda, it’s pretty easy to see the “Deep State” on display, coming to check up on their investment.

Yes their investment is American democracy and we are seeing it first hand today, it saved this country from the demafasict agenda, overcome political prosecutions, a war on the working class, surrendering to cartels and terrorist…this return on the investment is beautiful to see! Xiden and harris are fleeing office handing out pardons to their brownshirts at rapid pace.

 

[TimFitz]

The deep state is neither right nor left. The deep state is the political class, and they are the enemy of the people of this country.

your fuhrer loves them! He always wanted to be one of them.

 

[TimFitz]

Yes their investment is American democracy and we are seeing it first hand today, it saved this country from the demafasict agenda, overcome political prosecutions, a war on the working class, surrendering to cartels and terrorist…this return on the investment is beautiful to see! Xiden and harris are fleeing office handing out pardons to their brownshirts at rapid pace.

They bought Trump.

They didn’t invest in democracy. They bought Trump.

not one of them gives a shit about democracy any more than your beloved fuhrer does.

The brownshirts are coming in. you’re one of them.