Michigan's right-to-work laws will ripple across the US

[SniperFire]

Well, blacks had full employment before slavery was abolished, if that's your standard.

Seriously. You don't know the facts on the labor participlation rate, so you play the race card?

I know that 75% of the states with the lowest per capita incomes in the US are right to work states.

Like I said. Right to work cannibalizes good paying jobs and turns them low paying jobs.

But that's what conservatives want. Widen that gap between rich and poor.

LOL

You are getting destroyed. But let's play with you some more like a cat plays with a dead mouse.

Are jobs a zero sum game in America, or not?

 

[NYcarbineer]

LOL

Yeah, we would hate to see a new flood of businesses moving in.

So you cannibalize good paying jobs from one state and turn them into low paying jobs in another state.

How does that make anyone's life better?

You think domestic jobs are a zero sum game, don't you?






(Laughing out loud - really, really hard)

You thought Wisconsin's anti-labor laws were going to guarantee that Obama lost that state didn't you?

 

[SniperFire]

So you cannibalize good paying jobs from one state and turn them into low paying jobs in another state.

How does that make anyone's life better?

You think domestic jobs are a zero sum game, don't you?






(Laughing out loud - really, really hard)

You thought Wisconsin's anti-labor laws were going to guarantee that Obama lost that state didn't you?

Answer the question, cocksuck.

Have American jobs been 'shipped overseas', or not?

ROTFL

 

[NYcarbineer]

Seriously. You don't know the facts on the labor participlation rate, so you play the race card?

I know that 75% of the states with the lowest per capita incomes in the US are right to work states.

Like I said. Right to work cannibalizes good paying jobs and turns them low paying jobs.

But that's what conservatives want. Widen that gap between rich and poor.

LOL

You are getting destroyed. But let's play with you some more like a cat plays with a dead mouse.

Are jobs a zero sum game in America, or not?

Nobody's getting destroyed. You've lost the argument so you resort to ad hominem attacks.

Why are the right to work states the lowest per capita income states? Do you have an answer for that?

 

[SniperFire]

I know that 75% of the states with the lowest per capita incomes in the US are right to work states.

Like I said. Right to work cannibalizes good paying jobs and turns them low paying jobs.

But that's what conservatives want. Widen that gap between rich and poor.

LOL

You are getting destroyed. But let's play with you some more like a cat plays with a dead mouse.

Are jobs a zero sum game in America, or not?

Nobody's getting destroyed. You've lost the argument so you resort to ad hominem attacks.

Why are the right to work states the lowest per capita income states? Do you have an answer for that?

Why not answer the question put to you, cock munch?


Let's try it again.


Are jobs a zero sum game in America, or not?

 

[NYcarbineer]

You think domestic jobs are a zero sum game, don't you?






(Laughing out loud - really, really hard)

You thought Wisconsin's anti-labor laws were going to guarantee that Obama lost that state didn't you?

Answer the question, cocksuck.

Have American jobs been 'shipped overseas', or not?

ROTFL

No need to throw a tantrum because you've lost another argument. It's not like you're not used to it.

 

[NYcarbineer]

LOL

You are getting destroyed. But let's play with you some more like a cat plays with a dead mouse.

Are jobs a zero sum game in America, or not?

Nobody's getting destroyed. You've lost the argument so you resort to ad hominem attacks.

Why are the right to work states the lowest per capita income states? Do you have an answer for that?

Why not answer the question put to you, cock munch?


Let's try it again.


Are jobs a zero sum game in America, or not?


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They are when an employer moves from one state to another. Are you denying that ever happens?

 

[SniperFire]

With the plague of union totalitarianism lifted, American industry take a big step toward once again having a reason to create the jobs our people need.

Of course, the shitstorm of new oppressive regulation coming out of the Obama regime goes a long way toward dampening the hopes of prosperity for all who wish to work for a living.

 

[Vel]

Nothing you say matters after this. You're obviously partisan and couldnt see straight with your head up your own ass.

These aren't talking points. They're life experience. There are NO half-truths ANYWHERE in what I posted.

Obviously you either don't KNOW or don't CARE about the Freedom to Associate and the Freedom to Contract. Since you don't, your opinion is worth even LESS than nothing.

Good job being a partisan hack.

Sure there is. You corrupt the Constitutional principle of freedom of association and freedom to contract' by pretending forced government compliance of labor laws is something a business owner willing decides to participate in.

Forced collective bargaining compliance is decidedly anti-freedom and anti-choice.

Wrong again. It's a little thing called fairness.

I corrupt nothing. In fact, I highly doubt you've even heard of the freedom of contract and probably had to look it up.

If you don't want to work for a union...don't work in a profession or don't work for an employer that is unionized. There's your choice. There's your freedom.

But you can't expect a free lunch. The union goes to the trouble and expense of being the leverage against the employer...and non-union folks don't have to contribute? Bullshit.

You've offered NO replacement leverage for the little guy against their employers. When you create an institution that can help increase wages and protect workers that's not a union...then come back and talk. Until then, you've just been a partisan hack.

Did the employer freely CHOOSE to be unionized?

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

LOL

Yeah, we would hate to see a new flood of businesses moving in.

So you cannibalize good paying jobs from one state and turn them into low paying jobs in another state.

How does that make anyone's life better?

You think domestic jobs are a zero sum game, don't you?






(Laughing out loud - really, really hard)

Everything's a zero sum game to them. There's only x amount of money, x number of jobs, etc. They're not very bright.

 

[spectrumc01]

The communists and the Nazis were doing about the same thing that the Democrats are doing today. That is, Class warfare and exploiting the young, poor and poorly educated. The only major difference between them was the guise of nationalism and a more pragmatic tolerance of big business on the part of Nazis.

I don't think it was class warfare in Nazi Germany, as much as it was anti-semetic. Anti-semetism doesn't care what class you are from. It also started weeding out the "undesireables", again not class warfare. Communism was class warfare until the totalitarian part came in.

Quote from Adolf Hitler

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions."

Adolf Hitler Quote/Quotation

Sounds like something JoeB or some OWS schmuck would say. Not a great deal of difference.

The comparison is between Communism and Nazism not Nazism and U.S. Liberals.

 

[Meathead]

I don't think it was class warfare in Nazi Germany, as much as it was anti-semetic. Anti-semetism doesn't care what class you are from. It also started weeding out the "undesireables", again not class warfare. Communism was class warfare until the totalitarian part came in.

Quote from Adolf Hitler

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions."

Adolf Hitler Quote/Quotation

Sounds like something JoeB or some OWS schmuck would say. Not a great deal of difference.

The comparison is between Communism and Nazism not Nazism and U.S. Liberals.

The comparison was populism and the championing class against class which was a tact the communists and Nazis of yore, and the Democrats today exploited to take and hold on to power. The only difference being one of degree.

It never ends well.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

So you cannibalize good paying jobs from one state and turn them into low paying jobs in another state.

How does that make anyone's life better?

You think domestic jobs are a zero sum game, don't you?






(Laughing out loud - really, really hard)

Everything's a zero sum game to them. There's only x amount of money, x number of jobs, etc. They're not very bright.

By the basic laws of nature, something can only be NOT zero sum if you don't include some things in the summation.

 

[SniperFire]

You think domestic jobs are a zero sum game, don't you?






(Laughing out loud - really, really hard)

Everything's a zero sum game to them. There's only x amount of money, x number of jobs, etc. They're not very bright.

By the basic laws of nature, something can only be NOT zero sum if you don't include some things in the summation.

Obama is a liar when he claims he can create jobs, then?

 

[Wehrwolfen]

 

[FA_Q2]

You just don't get it snippy.

If you and I are working a production line and I am union and you are not. And you make the same money I do, how long will I keep paying union dues? Not to long. IF the company is paying the same rate for non union employees.

Once enough union members quit paying dues (which is the entire idea) then the union is done. Only a matter of time till it ceases to exist.

Then, after the union is gone, guess what, The company is free to lower the wages you get paid. With no one to fight for the workers.

Won't it be great when everyone is working for a lot less money for their labor.

That'll help America recover. Maybe you rethugs could pass a law that says that no hourly worker can get paid more than minimum wage. That make you happy?


And of course, break the unions and get rid of that money backing Dem politicians. The real goal.

You rethugs just don't have the balls to admit it.

And you democraps just don't want to admit you don't want to stop extorting cash from people that don't want to support you. Yes, that kind of name-calling just does not get us anywhere now does it?


Your scenario is fa,se because if my employer is keeping me happy then no, I am not going to continue to funnel cash onto a union that simply is not needed. My employer is doing what I deem good. If not, I sure as hell am going to give money to the union so that I can get what I believe I deserve.
That is your problem, you think that not only does a union need to continue to exist but it must do so on a continually basis and steal money from those that don't want it there in the first place. If unions can stand on their own merits, then they don't need to force themselves on the workers. As long as they are representing the workers interests adequately then they will stick around. Even without stealing.


Why does the union need to continue to exist in the first place if the workers are not willing to pay those dues?

 

[FA_Q2]

It may, but I foresee widespread buyer's remorse by 2014 - and especially by 2016.

LOL

Yeah, we would hate to see a new flood of businesses moving in.

I honestly would love to understand why you think right-to-work is so amazing. In an economy where employers already have the vast advantage over employees, how is giving employers more power to treat workers poorly a step up?

You would need to establish that allowing an employee to participate in the union or not is 'allowing employers to treat employees poorly.'

You're side has still not been able to identify what right has been removed through this legislation. FACT: workers have the right to unionize. PERIOD.

The only difference is that they are not forced to do so as a matter of employment.

 

[spectrumc01]

Quote from Adolf Hitler

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions."

Adolf Hitler Quote/Quotation

Sounds like something JoeB or some OWS schmuck would say. Not a great deal of difference.

The comparison is between Communism and Nazism not Nazism and U.S. Liberals.

The comparison was populism and the championing class against class which was a tact the communists and Nazis of yore, and the Democrats today exploited to take and hold on to power. The only difference being one of degree.

It never ends well.

These systems only end bad because they turn to totalitarianism. The systems in and of themselves are neither good or bad, it is the way they are used that makes them bad.

 

[SniperFire]

The comparison is between Communism and Nazism not Nazism and U.S. Liberals.

The comparison was populism and the championing class against class which was a tact the communists and Nazis of yore, and the Democrats today exploited to take and hold on to power. The only difference being one of degree.

It never ends well.

These systems only end bad because they turn to totalitarianism. The systems in and of themselves are neither good or bad, it is the way they are used that makes them bad.

Well, duh.

LOL

 

[zonly1]

Did you forget that the Nazi's and the Communists hated one another? and now you want me to believe that they are the same system?

Michigan and Ohio State hate one another too.

Was not the appeal of Nazi, Big Union and Communism organized around the appeal of the downtrodden working man to unite against their oppressors?

These are all Big Labor parties.

The communist workers came together out of a sense of all for one and one for all. The Nazi workers came together out of a nationalistic pride. Big difference.

Unionized hospitals cater to illegals...what the hell as long as they get quarentee paid and the shift of higher premiums is past on to ones who have insurance.......land of the free and at the momemt the taxpayer is grabbing ankles.....we are approaching the straw that broke the camels back.........

BUT PLEASE DON"T LET STOP YOU FROM SANITY