Michigan vs. Sweden: Two COVID-19 Approaches, Very Different Results

[Montrovant]

Seems like a good model. Why didn’t Trump follow that model? Those at risk be careful, those not at risk. Live your lives.

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Those numbers actually put Sweden at a higher per-capita death rate than the US.

 

[DrLove]

Not particularly smart then was it?

• Sweden took the unusual step of not implementing a lockdown to halt the spread of the coronavirus.
• The country urged people to practice social distancing but left places like shops and restaurants open, breaking the model followed by countries across Europe and the world.
• Sweden has 477 1,033 deaths from the virus so far, but Prime Minister Stefan Löfven is now saying thousands will die from COVID-19 and that the country's parliament may bring in more restrictive measures.
• Some experts have questioned the country's strategy, but Löfven appeared to reject criticism of it. Sweden's chief epidemiologist said the best strategy was simply asking people to stay apart.

Sweden, which refused to implement a coronavirus lockdown, has so far avoided a mass outbreak. Now it's bracing for a surge in deaths.

Sweden urged people to practice social distancing but left shops and restaurants open, breaking with many countries across Europe and the world.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[there4eyeM]

Perhaps a nation of intelligent people could do it that way.

 

[pyetro]

Let's compare the results of Michigan's and Sweden's COVID-19 measures. Michigan and Sweden's populations are almost identical in size. Michigan has been using extreme measures for over a month. Sweden has been using very moderate measures, allowing the nation's businesses and most schools to remain open. How do their COVID-19 numbers compare? As of this afternoon, Michigan has had 25,635 cases and 1,602 deaths, while Sweden has had 10,948 cases and 919 deaths.

This thread didn't age well: Sweden: 22 Scientists Say Coronavirus Strategy Has Failed As Deaths Top 1,000

 

[Markle]

Let's compare the results of Michigan's and Sweden's COVID-19 measures. Michigan and Sweden's populations are almost identical in size. Michigan has been using extreme measures for over a month. Sweden has been using very moderate measures, allowing the nation's businesses and most schools to remain open. How do their COVID-19 numbers compare? As of this afternoon, Michigan has had 25,635 cases and 1,602 deaths, while Sweden has had 10,948 cases and 919 deaths.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Why compare Sweden to Michigan? They have little to nothing to do with each other. I don't even think comparing Sweden to much of Western Europe really demonstrates anything.

If you want to compare Sweden to other countries then try her direct neighbors such as other Scandinavian countries like Denmark, Norway and Finland where you will find the death per capita in Sweden to be at least twice as high as those other countries.

But cases in Norway are higher on an population adjusted basis.

So what does that tell you ?

 

[HappyJoy]

Why compare Sweden to Michigan? They have little to nothing to do with each other. I don't even think comparing Sweden to much of Western Europe really demonstrates anything.

If you want to compare Sweden to other countries then try her direct neighbors such as other Scandinavian countries like Denmark, Norway and Finland where you will find the death per capita in Sweden to be at least twice as high as those other countries.

But cases in Norway are higher on an population adjusted basis.

So what does that tell you ?

That Norway isn't Sweden? And Sweden has 102 deaths per million and Norway only has 26. Sweden also isn't testing nearly as much as Norway but the fact that Sweden's number of deaths is 4 times higher tells me it's that Sweden's testing is lackluster. For example Norway has tested over 23k per million people while Sweden has tested only 5,400 per million.

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I'm sure this is falling on deaf ears, long story short, Sweden is doing worse than it's neighbors.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Why compare Sweden to Michigan? They have little to nothing to do with each other. I don't even think comparing Sweden to much of Western Europe really demonstrates anything.

If you want to compare Sweden to other countries then try her direct neighbors such as other Scandinavian countries like Denmark, Norway and Finland where you will find the death per capita in Sweden to be at least twice as high as those other countries.

But cases in Norway are higher on an population adjusted basis.

So what does that tell you ?

That Norway isn't Sweden?

Might be....in terms of how well they care for their patients.

But Sweden is obviously not Norway in terms of infections.

 

[HappyJoy]

Why compare Sweden to Michigan? They have little to nothing to do with each other. I don't even think comparing Sweden to much of Western Europe really demonstrates anything.

If you want to compare Sweden to other countries then try her direct neighbors such as other Scandinavian countries like Denmark, Norway and Finland where you will find the death per capita in Sweden to be at least twice as high as those other countries.

But cases in Norway are higher on an population adjusted basis.

So what does that tell you ?

That Norway isn't Sweden?

Might be....in terms of how well they care for their patients.

But Sweden is obviously not Norway in terms of infections.

Sorry, I was editing my post when you replied, here it is in its entirety:

That Norway isn't Sweden? And Sweden has 102 deaths per million and Norway only has 26. Sweden also isn't testing nearly as much as Norway but the fact that Sweden's number of deaths is 4 times higher tells me it's that Sweden's testing is lackluster. For example Norway has tested over 23k per million people while Sweden has tested only 5,400 per million.

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www.worldometers.info

I'm sure this is falling on deaf ears, long story short, Sweden is doing worse than it's neighbors.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Why compare Sweden to Michigan? They have little to nothing to do with each other. I don't even think comparing Sweden to much of Western Europe really demonstrates anything.

If you want to compare Sweden to other countries then try her direct neighbors such as other Scandinavian countries like Denmark, Norway and Finland where you will find the death per capita in Sweden to be at least twice as high as those other countries.

But cases in Norway are higher on an population adjusted basis.

So what does that tell you ?

That Norway isn't Sweden?

Might be....in terms of how well they care for their patients.

But Sweden is obviously not Norway in terms of infections.

Sorry, I was editing my post when you replied, here it is in its entirety:

That Norway isn't Sweden? And Sweden has 102 deaths per million and Norway only has 26. Sweden also isn't testing nearly as much as Norway but the fact that Sweden's number of deaths is 4 times higher tells me it's that Sweden's testing is lackluster. For example Norway has tested over 23k per million people while Sweden has tested only 5,400 per million.

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I'm sure this is falling on deaf ears, long story short, Sweden is doing worse than it's neighbors.

Makes sense to me.

Sweden has been pretty lax.

However, it seem they are o.k. with things.

 

[HappyJoy]

Why compare Sweden to Michigan? They have little to nothing to do with each other. I don't even think comparing Sweden to much of Western Europe really demonstrates anything.

If you want to compare Sweden to other countries then try her direct neighbors such as other Scandinavian countries like Denmark, Norway and Finland where you will find the death per capita in Sweden to be at least twice as high as those other countries.

But cases in Norway are higher on an population adjusted basis.

So what does that tell you ?

That Norway isn't Sweden?

Might be....in terms of how well they care for their patients.

But Sweden is obviously not Norway in terms of infections.

Sorry, I was editing my post when you replied, here it is in its entirety:

That Norway isn't Sweden? And Sweden has 102 deaths per million and Norway only has 26. Sweden also isn't testing nearly as much as Norway but the fact that Sweden's number of deaths is 4 times higher tells me it's that Sweden's testing is lackluster. For example Norway has tested over 23k per million people while Sweden has tested only 5,400 per million.

COVID Live Update: 261,475,525 Cases and 5,215,099 Deaths from the Coronavirus - Worldometer

Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...

www.worldometers.info

I'm sure this is falling on deaf ears, long story short, Sweden is doing worse than it's neighbors.

Makes sense to me.

Sweden has been pretty lax.

However, it seem they are o.k. with things.

Not if you're dead and there's a lot of controversy within Sweden as to whether they are going about this the right way.

Also Denmark is looking at reopening it's economy while Sweden's numbers get worse and worse.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Why compare Sweden to Michigan? They have little to nothing to do with each other. I don't even think comparing Sweden to much of Western Europe really demonstrates anything.

If you want to compare Sweden to other countries then try her direct neighbors such as other Scandinavian countries like Denmark, Norway and Finland where you will find the death per capita in Sweden to be at least twice as high as those other countries.

But cases in Norway are higher on an population adjusted basis.

So what does that tell you ?

That Norway isn't Sweden?

Might be....in terms of how well they care for their patients.

But Sweden is obviously not Norway in terms of infections.

Sorry, I was editing my post when you replied, here it is in its entirety:

That Norway isn't Sweden? And Sweden has 102 deaths per million and Norway only has 26. Sweden also isn't testing nearly as much as Norway but the fact that Sweden's number of deaths is 4 times higher tells me it's that Sweden's testing is lackluster. For example Norway has tested over 23k per million people while Sweden has tested only 5,400 per million.

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Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...

www.worldometers.info

I'm sure this is falling on deaf ears, long story short, Sweden is doing worse than it's neighbors.

Makes sense to me.

Sweden has been pretty lax.

However, it seem they are o.k. with things.

Not if you're dead and there's a lot of controversy within Sweden as to whether they are going about this the right way.

Not from what I read.

Seems some of the "experts" are pushing for extreme measures...but people are not as dialed in.

This was also interesting....

"Partly that we are on different places on the exposition curve, partly that we in Sweden, unfortunately, have had a large spread of contagion in elderly homes, something you have not seen in the other Nordic countries. And this we, of course, continue to analyse, why Swedish elderly homes have been exposed so much compared to other countries. But if we compare Sweden with Belgium, the US and a number of other countries our death rates are rather low."

Is Sweden's lenient approach to Covid-19 working?

While other countries struggle with varying levels of lockdown, Sweden has relied on relatively few recommendations to try and prevent the spread of the virus.

www.rte.ie

 

[HappyJoy]

Why compare Sweden to Michigan? They have little to nothing to do with each other. I don't even think comparing Sweden to much of Western Europe really demonstrates anything.

If you want to compare Sweden to other countries then try her direct neighbors such as other Scandinavian countries like Denmark, Norway and Finland where you will find the death per capita in Sweden to be at least twice as high as those other countries.

But cases in Norway are higher on an population adjusted basis.

So what does that tell you ?

That Norway isn't Sweden?

Might be....in terms of how well they care for their patients.

But Sweden is obviously not Norway in terms of infections.

Sorry, I was editing my post when you replied, here it is in its entirety:

That Norway isn't Sweden? And Sweden has 102 deaths per million and Norway only has 26. Sweden also isn't testing nearly as much as Norway but the fact that Sweden's number of deaths is 4 times higher tells me it's that Sweden's testing is lackluster. For example Norway has tested over 23k per million people while Sweden has tested only 5,400 per million.

COVID Live Update: 261,475,525 Cases and 5,215,099 Deaths from the Coronavirus - Worldometer

Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...

www.worldometers.info

I'm sure this is falling on deaf ears, long story short, Sweden is doing worse than it's neighbors.

Makes sense to me.

Sweden has been pretty lax.

However, it seem they are o.k. with things.

Not if you're dead and there's a lot of controversy within Sweden as to whether they are going about this the right way.

Not from what I read.

Seems some of the "experts" are pushing for extreme measures...but people are not as dialed in.

This was also interesting....

"Partly that we are on different places on the exposition curve, partly that we in Sweden, unfortunately, have had a large spread of contagion in elderly homes, something you have not seen in the other Nordic countries. And this we, of course, continue to analyse, why Swedish elderly homes have been exposed so much compared to other countries. But if we compare Sweden with Belgium, the US and a number of other countries our death rates are rather low."

Is Sweden's lenient approach to Covid-19 working?

While other countries struggle with varying levels of lockdown, Sweden has relied on relatively few recommendations to try and prevent the spread of the virus.

www.rte.ie

Emphasis on experts.

Its neighbors are going to be back in business and Sweden is going to go off a cliff if their trajectory doesn't change soon.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Why compare Sweden to Michigan? They have little to nothing to do with each other. I don't even think comparing Sweden to much of Western Europe really demonstrates anything.

If you want to compare Sweden to other countries then try her direct neighbors such as other Scandinavian countries like Denmark, Norway and Finland where you will find the death per capita in Sweden to be at least twice as high as those other countries.

But cases in Norway are higher on an population adjusted basis.

So what does that tell you ?

That Norway isn't Sweden?

Might be....in terms of how well they care for their patients.

But Sweden is obviously not Norway in terms of infections.

Sorry, I was editing my post when you replied, here it is in its entirety:

That Norway isn't Sweden? And Sweden has 102 deaths per million and Norway only has 26. Sweden also isn't testing nearly as much as Norway but the fact that Sweden's number of deaths is 4 times higher tells me it's that Sweden's testing is lackluster. For example Norway has tested over 23k per million people while Sweden has tested only 5,400 per million.

COVID Live Update: 261,475,525 Cases and 5,215,099 Deaths from the Coronavirus - Worldometer

Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...

www.worldometers.info

I'm sure this is falling on deaf ears, long story short, Sweden is doing worse than it's neighbors.

Makes sense to me.

Sweden has been pretty lax.

However, it seem they are o.k. with things.

Not if you're dead and there's a lot of controversy within Sweden as to whether they are going about this the right way.

Not from what I read.

Seems some of the "experts" are pushing for extreme measures...but people are not as dialed in.

This was also interesting....

"Partly that we are on different places on the exposition curve, partly that we in Sweden, unfortunately, have had a large spread of contagion in elderly homes, something you have not seen in the other Nordic countries. And this we, of course, continue to analyse, why Swedish elderly homes have been exposed so much compared to other countries. But if we compare Sweden with Belgium, the US and a number of other countries our death rates are rather low."

Is Sweden's lenient approach to Covid-19 working?

While other countries struggle with varying levels of lockdown, Sweden has relied on relatively few recommendations to try and prevent the spread of the virus.

www.rte.ie

Emphasis on experts.

A word that is in quotes for a reason.

 

[HappyJoy]

Why compare Sweden to Michigan? They have little to nothing to do with each other. I don't even think comparing Sweden to much of Western Europe really demonstrates anything.

If you want to compare Sweden to other countries then try her direct neighbors such as other Scandinavian countries like Denmark, Norway and Finland where you will find the death per capita in Sweden to be at least twice as high as those other countries.

But cases in Norway are higher on an population adjusted basis.

So what does that tell you ?

That Norway isn't Sweden?

Might be....in terms of how well they care for their patients.

But Sweden is obviously not Norway in terms of infections.

Sorry, I was editing my post when you replied, here it is in its entirety:

That Norway isn't Sweden? And Sweden has 102 deaths per million and Norway only has 26. Sweden also isn't testing nearly as much as Norway but the fact that Sweden's number of deaths is 4 times higher tells me it's that Sweden's testing is lackluster. For example Norway has tested over 23k per million people while Sweden has tested only 5,400 per million.

COVID Live Update: 261,475,525 Cases and 5,215,099 Deaths from the Coronavirus - Worldometer

Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...

www.worldometers.info

I'm sure this is falling on deaf ears, long story short, Sweden is doing worse than it's neighbors.

Makes sense to me.

Sweden has been pretty lax.

However, it seem they are o.k. with things.

Not if you're dead and there's a lot of controversy within Sweden as to whether they are going about this the right way.

Not from what I read.

Seems some of the "experts" are pushing for extreme measures...but people are not as dialed in.

This was also interesting....

"Partly that we are on different places on the exposition curve, partly that we in Sweden, unfortunately, have had a large spread of contagion in elderly homes, something you have not seen in the other Nordic countries. And this we, of course, continue to analyse, why Swedish elderly homes have been exposed so much compared to other countries. But if we compare Sweden with Belgium, the US and a number of other countries our death rates are rather low."

Is Sweden's lenient approach to Covid-19 working?

While other countries struggle with varying levels of lockdown, Sweden has relied on relatively few recommendations to try and prevent the spread of the virus.

www.rte.ie

Emphasis on experts.

A word that is in quotes for a reason.

That you don't believe in fact based opinions is not my concern.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Why compare Sweden to Michigan? They have little to nothing to do with each other. I don't even think comparing Sweden to much of Western Europe really demonstrates anything.

If you want to compare Sweden to other countries then try her direct neighbors such as other Scandinavian countries like Denmark, Norway and Finland where you will find the death per capita in Sweden to be at least twice as high as those other countries.

But cases in Norway are higher on an population adjusted basis.

So what does that tell you ?

That Norway isn't Sweden?

Might be....in terms of how well they care for their patients.

But Sweden is obviously not Norway in terms of infections.

Sorry, I was editing my post when you replied, here it is in its entirety:

That Norway isn't Sweden? And Sweden has 102 deaths per million and Norway only has 26. Sweden also isn't testing nearly as much as Norway but the fact that Sweden's number of deaths is 4 times higher tells me it's that Sweden's testing is lackluster. For example Norway has tested over 23k per million people while Sweden has tested only 5,400 per million.

COVID Live Update: 261,475,525 Cases and 5,215,099 Deaths from the Coronavirus - Worldometer

Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...

www.worldometers.info

I'm sure this is falling on deaf ears, long story short, Sweden is doing worse than it's neighbors.

Makes sense to me.

Sweden has been pretty lax.

However, it seem they are o.k. with things.

Not if you're dead and there's a lot of controversy within Sweden as to whether they are going about this the right way.

Not from what I read.

Seems some of the "experts" are pushing for extreme measures...but people are not as dialed in.

This was also interesting....

"Partly that we are on different places on the exposition curve, partly that we in Sweden, unfortunately, have had a large spread of contagion in elderly homes, something you have not seen in the other Nordic countries. And this we, of course, continue to analyse, why Swedish elderly homes have been exposed so much compared to other countries. But if we compare Sweden with Belgium, the US and a number of other countries our death rates are rather low."

Is Sweden's lenient approach to Covid-19 working?

While other countries struggle with varying levels of lockdown, Sweden has relied on relatively few recommendations to try and prevent the spread of the virus.

www.rte.ie

Emphasis on experts.

A word that is in quotes for a reason.

That you don't believe in fact based opinions is not my concern.

I would hope it isn't.

Apparently Swedes don't find it very interesting either.

Point being that everyone gets to make their choices and they get to live with them.

So far our experts have been just fucking perfect (100% wrong).

 

[HappyJoy]

Why compare Sweden to Michigan? They have little to nothing to do with each other. I don't even think comparing Sweden to much of Western Europe really demonstrates anything.

If you want to compare Sweden to other countries then try her direct neighbors such as other Scandinavian countries like Denmark, Norway and Finland where you will find the death per capita in Sweden to be at least twice as high as those other countries.

But cases in Norway are higher on an population adjusted basis.

So what does that tell you ?

That Norway isn't Sweden?

Might be....in terms of how well they care for their patients.

But Sweden is obviously not Norway in terms of infections.

Sorry, I was editing my post when you replied, here it is in its entirety:

That Norway isn't Sweden? And Sweden has 102 deaths per million and Norway only has 26. Sweden also isn't testing nearly as much as Norway but the fact that Sweden's number of deaths is 4 times higher tells me it's that Sweden's testing is lackluster. For example Norway has tested over 23k per million people while Sweden has tested only 5,400 per million.

COVID Live Update: 261,475,525 Cases and 5,215,099 Deaths from the Coronavirus - Worldometer

Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...

www.worldometers.info

I'm sure this is falling on deaf ears, long story short, Sweden is doing worse than it's neighbors.

Makes sense to me.

Sweden has been pretty lax.

However, it seem they are o.k. with things.

Not if you're dead and there's a lot of controversy within Sweden as to whether they are going about this the right way.

Not from what I read.

Seems some of the "experts" are pushing for extreme measures...but people are not as dialed in.

This was also interesting....

"Partly that we are on different places on the exposition curve, partly that we in Sweden, unfortunately, have had a large spread of contagion in elderly homes, something you have not seen in the other Nordic countries. And this we, of course, continue to analyse, why Swedish elderly homes have been exposed so much compared to other countries. But if we compare Sweden with Belgium, the US and a number of other countries our death rates are rather low."

Is Sweden's lenient approach to Covid-19 working?

While other countries struggle with varying levels of lockdown, Sweden has relied on relatively few recommendations to try and prevent the spread of the virus.

www.rte.ie

Emphasis on experts.

A word that is in quotes for a reason.

That you don't believe in fact based opinions is not my concern.

I would hope it isn't.

Apparently Swedes don't find it very interesting either.

Point being that everyone gets to make their choices and they get to live with them.

So far our experts have been just fucking perfect (100% wrong).

They haven't been 100% wrong. Has social distancing worked? Absolutely. The most populous state in the country is a testament to that and considering they outnumber the next state by 10 million people I suspect our national numbers look much better thanks to their early first in the nation actions.

 

[candycorn]

If I'm not mistaken, Sweden also took over the payrolls for businesses in their nation. Like if you worked at a Burger King in Stockholm, you'd be getting paid by the Swedish government; not the owner of the BK. We probably should have done that here given the ridiculous patchwork of government programs we have here that had tons of pork input into the bills

 

[HappyJoy]

If I'm not mistaken, Sweden also took over the payrolls for businesses in their nation. Like if you worked at a Burger King in Stockholm, you'd be getting paid by the Swedish government; not the owner of the BK. We probably should have done that here given the ridiculous patchwork of government programs we have here that had tons of pork input into the bills

I agree. Bailout the middle class for a change, $1,200 bucks, in some cases delayed because of some dumb asshole's signature isn't going to do much for anyone.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Why compare Sweden to Michigan? They have little to nothing to do with each other. I don't even think comparing Sweden to much of Western Europe really demonstrates anything.

If you want to compare Sweden to other countries then try her direct neighbors such as other Scandinavian countries like Denmark, Norway and Finland where you will find the death per capita in Sweden to be at least twice as high as those other countries.

But cases in Norway are higher on an population adjusted basis.

So what does that tell you ?

That Norway isn't Sweden?

Might be....in terms of how well they care for their patients.

But Sweden is obviously not Norway in terms of infections.

Sorry, I was editing my post when you replied, here it is in its entirety:

That Norway isn't Sweden? And Sweden has 102 deaths per million and Norway only has 26. Sweden also isn't testing nearly as much as Norway but the fact that Sweden's number of deaths is 4 times higher tells me it's that Sweden's testing is lackluster. For example Norway has tested over 23k per million people while Sweden has tested only 5,400 per million.

COVID Live Update: 261,475,525 Cases and 5,215,099 Deaths from the Coronavirus - Worldometer

Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...

www.worldometers.info

I'm sure this is falling on deaf ears, long story short, Sweden is doing worse than it's neighbors.

Makes sense to me.

Sweden has been pretty lax.

However, it seem they are o.k. with things.

Not if you're dead and there's a lot of controversy within Sweden as to whether they are going about this the right way.

Not from what I read.

Seems some of the "experts" are pushing for extreme measures...but people are not as dialed in.

This was also interesting....

"Partly that we are on different places on the exposition curve, partly that we in Sweden, unfortunately, have had a large spread of contagion in elderly homes, something you have not seen in the other Nordic countries. And this we, of course, continue to analyse, why Swedish elderly homes have been exposed so much compared to other countries. But if we compare Sweden with Belgium, the US and a number of other countries our death rates are rather low."

Is Sweden's lenient approach to Covid-19 working?

While other countries struggle with varying levels of lockdown, Sweden has relied on relatively few recommendations to try and prevent the spread of the virus.

www.rte.ie

Emphasis on experts.

A word that is in quotes for a reason.

That you don't believe in fact based opinions is not my concern.

I would hope it isn't.

Apparently Swedes don't find it very interesting either.

Point being that everyone gets to make their choices and they get to live with them.

So far our experts have been just fucking perfect (100% wrong).

They haven't been 100% wrong. Has social distancing worked? Absolutely. The most populous state in the country is a testament to that and considering they outnumber the next state by 10 million people I suspect our national numbers look much better thanks to their early first in the nation actions.

Not everyone has social distanced though.

Washington County Utah....

South Dakota

Phoenix AZ

And none of them are overwhelming their hospitals.