Michigan Audit Lawsuit Tossed Out of Court on a Motion to Dismiss

Thirteenth Circuit Court Judge Kevin Elsenheimer ruled that the lawsuit filed by Michigan resident Bill Bailey lacks the legal grounds to move forward due to a statewide post-election audit that finished up in March, according to Cadillac-based CBS affiliate WWTV.

“There is no right, either in the constitutional section, or in the statute, for the independent audit that Mr. Bailey seeks as a petitioner under article 2 section 4,” the court noted. “The plaintiff does not get to choose his own audit criteria, rather the legislature is given that authority. So while a citizen may seek to audit the results of the statewide election, it must do so according to the law. That law provides for performance of the audit by the Secretary of State. There is no other relief available to the plaintiff on this point.”

As with many other lawsuits regarding fraud in the 2020 election, this case was dismissed due to a lack of standing, as the judge noted. It in no way indicates one way or the other whether or not the case has merit. The legislature can do that, but a private citizen cannot.
A good lawyer would have known the plaintiff had no standing, and therefor should have refused to file the lawsuit in the first place, but he probably saw an quick and easy paycheck without the need to truly prepare to litigate the case not to mention some high profile press coverage to get his name out there. The lawyer should probably be investigated by the Michigan State Bar Association for an ethics violation.
 
A good lawyer would have known the plaintiff had no standing, and therefor should have refused to file the lawsuit in the first place, but he probably saw an quick and easy paycheck without the need to truly prepare to litigate the case not to mention some high profile press coverage to get his name out there. The lawyer should probably be investigated by the Michigan State Bar Association for an ethics violation.

Possibly, but that's beside the point, isn't it? The point, which you are assiduously avoiding, is that the case has nothing to do with whether or not election fraud existed in Michigan's 2020 election. The merits of the case had no part is the decision to dismiss, which IMHO ought to be addressed and considered in EVERY state that has reasonable allegations of misconduct. Certainly the state legislatures ought to be holding hearings to determine what really happened and whether anything was not as it should have been. Somebody tell me: has there been ANY court case anywhere that actually examined the merits or claims of misdeeds and declared the election was not tainted?

And let's be clear about our court system: it requires enough evidence to consider whether criminal acts occurred. And in most cases, that requires intent and that is hard to prove. We see so many politicians charged with some kind of misconduct that may be illegal but are not convicted or even indicted because the burden of proof always rests with the prosecution. All of which means skullduggery may and probably did happen (IMHO more often than not) but since it could not be proven to the satisfaction of a judge, nothing really happens.

And none of us should draw the conclusion that therefore there was no crime, felony, or misdemeanor. And so it is with the 2020 election, as it was in 2016 and before that in 2000. But the real problem is that too many people do not trust the election system we have today, or at least the way in which it was used in 2020. I do not understand how anyone can deny that we should always try to ensure an election that is honest and true, while making sure that no one is disenfranchised.
 
This is so damn tiring, and it's tiring because it's a completely unnecessary waste of time. Having said that, I get the impression that these unwarranted lawsuits are going to continue for one reason and one reason only: To appease the ego of a man who refuses to face reality.

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Michigan Judge Flatly Rejects ‘Last of the Lawsuits Attempting to Undermine Democracy’ in Big Loss for Trump Fans Who Believed an Audit Would Show Fraud​


A judge in Michigan dismissed a lawsuit on Monday that was recently promoted by former president Donald Trump as a “major” case.

The lawsuit, which aimed to force a new audit of the 2020 presidential election results in Antrim County, apparently wasn’t strong enough to live past a motion to dismiss filed by Michigan’s secretary of state and the Antrim County clerk’s office.

Thirteenth Circuit Court Judge Kevin Elsenheimer ruled that the lawsuit filed by Michigan resident Bill Bailey lacks the legal grounds to move forward due to a statewide post-election audit that finished up in March, according to Cadillac-based CBS affiliate WWTV.

“There is no right, either in the constitutional section, or in the statute, for the independent audit that Mr. Bailey seeks as a petitioner under article 2 section 4,” the court noted. “The plaintiff does not get to choose his own audit criteria, rather the legislature is given that authority. So while a citizen may seek to audit the results of the statewide election, it must do so according to the law. That law provides for performance of the audit by the Secretary of State. There is no other relief available to the plaintiff on this point.”

According to the outlet, Bailey originally filed his lawsuit in order to take stock of a marijuana-related ballot measure that came down to a close recount. Pro-Trump forces later attached themselves to the effort, and the litigation became something of a cause célèbre among the most diehard MAGA loyalists, who largely and erroneously believe the 2020 election was stolen. There is no evidence of widespread voter or electoral fraud during the election, and Trump himself actually won Antrim County.

Determining that Bailey’s claims were moot, the judge noted the audit had already been conducted.

“I am saying that, as pled, the plaintiff’s request for an audit is not available,” Elsenheimer said. “[An audit] did occur and it appears to have been done so pursuant to authority.”


fk our democracy huh? demofk nazi's
 
Thirteenth Circuit Court Judge Kevin Elsenheimer ruled that the lawsuit filed by Michigan resident Bill Bailey lacks the legal grounds to move forward due to a statewide post-election audit that finished up in March, according to Cadillac-based CBS affiliate WWTV.

“There is no right, either in the constitutional section, or in the statute, for the independent audit that Mr. Bailey seeks as a petitioner under article 2 section 4,” the court noted. “The plaintiff does not get to choose his own audit criteria, rather the legislature is given that authority. So while a citizen may seek to audit the results of the statewide election, it must do so according to the law. That law provides for performance of the audit by the Secretary of State. There is no other relief available to the plaintiff on this point.”

As with many other lawsuits regarding fraud in the 2020 election, this case was dismissed due to a lack of standing, as the judge noted. It in no way indicates one way or the other whether or not the case has merit. The legislature can do that, but a private citizen cannot.
A good lawyer would have known the plaintiff had no standing, and therefor should have refused to file the lawsuit in the first place, but he probably saw an quick and easy paycheck without the need to truly prepare to litigate the case not to mention some high profile press coverage to get his name out there. The lawyer should probably be investigated by the Michigan State Bar Association for an ethics violation.
you know that ballots can't be removed from a precinct office right? guess what one needs to remove one? Let's see if you have any functioning brain.
 
A good lawyer would have known the plaintiff had no standing, and therefor should have refused to file the lawsuit in the first place, but he probably saw an quick and easy paycheck without the need to truly prepare to litigate the case not to mention some high profile press coverage to get his name out there. The lawyer should probably be investigated by the Michigan State Bar Association for an ethics violation.

Possibly, but that's beside the point, isn't it? The point, which you are assiduously avoiding, is that the case has nothing to do with whether or not election fraud existed in Michigan's 2020 election. The merits of the case had no part is the decision to dismiss, which IMHO ought to be addressed and considered in EVERY state that has reasonable allegations of misconduct. Certainly the state legislatures ought to be holding hearings to determine what really happened and whether anything was not as it should have been. Somebody tell me: has there been ANY court case anywhere that actually examined the merits or claims of misdeeds and declared the election was not tainted?

And let's be clear about our court system: it requires enough evidence to consider whether criminal acts occurred. And in most cases, that requires intent and that is hard to prove. We see so many politicians charged with some kind of misconduct that may be illegal but are not convicted or even indicted because the burden of proof always rests with the prosecution. All of which means skullduggery may and probably did happen (IMHO more often than not) but since it could not be proven to the satisfaction of a judge, nothing really happens.

And none of us should draw the conclusion that therefore there was no crime, felony, or misdemeanor. And so it is with the 2020 election, as it was in 2016 and before that in 2000. But the real problem is that too many people do not trust the election system we have today, or at least the way in which it was used in 2020. I do not understand how anyone can deny that we should always try to ensure an election that is honest and true, while making sure that no one is disenfranchised.
The reason so many people do not trust the election system we have today is because there are so many people actively trying to sow distrust of the system without any real evidence to substantiate that lack of trust. That's the source of the REAL conspiracy here.

Ultimately, I believe those people could eventually be sued by the individual states in much the same way that Dominion and Smartmatic are suing Fox News and Newsmax and others. This happens every few years when someone or some group tries to undermine public confidence in a business by engaging in a whisper campaign against a company to hopefully cause a drop in earnings.
 
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A good lawyer would have known the plaintiff had no standing, and therefor should have refused to file the lawsuit in the first place, but he probably saw an quick and easy paycheck without the need to truly prepare to litigate the case not to mention some high profile press coverage to get his name out there. The lawyer should probably be investigated by the Michigan State Bar Association for an ethics violation.

Possibly, but that's beside the point, isn't it? The point, which you are assiduously avoiding, is that the case has nothing to do with whether or not election fraud existed in Michigan's 2020 election. The merits of the case had no part is the decision to dismiss, which IMHO ought to be addressed and considered in EVERY state that has reasonable allegations of misconduct. Certainly the state legislatures ought to be holding hearings to determine what really happened and whether anything was not as it should have been. Somebody tell me: has there been ANY court case anywhere that actually examined the merits or claims of misdeeds and declared the election was not tainted?

And let's be clear about our court system: it requires enough evidence to consider whether criminal acts occurred. And in most cases, that requires intent and that is hard to prove. We see so many politicians charged with some kind of misconduct that may be illegal but are not convicted or even indicted because the burden of proof always rests with the prosecution. All of which means skullduggery may and probably did happen (IMHO more often than not) but since it could not be proven to the satisfaction of a judge, nothing really happens.

And none of us should draw the conclusion that therefore there was no crime, felony, or misdemeanor. And so it is with the 2020 election, as it was in 2016 and before that in 2000. But the real problem is that too many people do not trust the election system we have today, or at least the way in which it was used in 2020. I do not understand how anyone can deny that we should always try to ensure an election that is honest and true, while making sure that no one is disenfranchised.
The reason so many people do not trust they election system we have today is because there are so many people actively trying to sow distrust of the system without any real evidence to substantiate that lack of trust. That's the source of the REAL conspiracy here.

Ultimately, I believe those people could eventually be sued by the individual states in much the same way that Dominion and Smartmatic are suing Fox News and Newsmax and others. This happens every few years when someone or some group tries to undermine public confidence in a business by engaging in a whisper campaign against a company to hopefully cause a drop in earnings.

"The reason so many people do not trust they election system we have today is because there are so many people actively trying to sow distrust of the system without any real evidence to substantiate that lack of trust. That's the source of the REAL conspiracy here."

You say there is no real evidence to substantiate that lack of trust now, but how do you know that? Cuz the democrats say so? Or their propaganda wing in the media? I asked you once, now I'll ask you again: has there been ANY court case anywhere that actually examined the merits or claims of misdeeds and declared the election was not tainted?

There was no real evidence in 2016 either, was there? Almost 3 years and millions of dollars of our tax-dollars spent and NOTHING. But that wasn't a REAL conspiracy? You don't think the democrats and their friends tried as hard as they could to undermine public confidence and trust in the Trump Administration? To make it appear as illegitimate from even before he was inaugurated?
 
This is so damn tiring, and it's tiring because it's a completely unnecessary waste of time. Having said that, I get the impression that these unwarranted lawsuits are going to continue for one reason and one reason only: To appease the ego of a man who refuses to face reality.

Cult members gonna cult.

I think most kids go through an experience where they think that can cover up their own failure by accusing others of cheating. "OK, Donny, I understand. The only reason you lost is because half the class was cheating. Now, sit down and shut up before I put on on time out."
Most kids learn the can't get their way by throwing a fit. Some don't.
The people throwing a fit are the ones trying to stop the audits. Next.
Of course. Half the country was in on a conspiracy to steal the Presidency away from Trump by voting him out of office. I feel your pain.
The conspiracy to defraud Trump had all kinds of people. Half the country thinks the election was stolen and no one is changing their mind. You keep lying, no one but the other liars are listening.
It's not half the country.

How many of those Capitol rioters have gotten caught because they couldn't keep their mouths shut? The point is this: Human beings. in general, are notorious for not being able to keep a secret. So, you believe that there's potentially thousands of people who conspired to steal the election from Trump, and nobody has come forward to spill the beans? How about spouses and best friends? How about someone who just happens to overhear a conversation about the fraud? How about someone who hears a voice message, or intercepts and email, or finds a note about it? Nada! Do you know what the most likely explanation for that is? There was no fraud!


Most of all, anyone who thinks the Democratic Party is smart enough to come up with and pull off such a wide spread scheme throughout our whole nation, well, I've got some beautiful ocean beachfront property in Colorado to sell them.

There is a reason why people like me see democrats as spineless wimps who can't shoot straight.
 
A good lawyer would have known the plaintiff had no standing, and therefor should have refused to file the lawsuit in the first place, but he probably saw an quick and easy paycheck without the need to truly prepare to litigate the case not to mention some high profile press coverage to get his name out there. The lawyer should probably be investigated by the Michigan State Bar Association for an ethics violation.

Possibly, but that's beside the point, isn't it? The point, which you are assiduously avoiding, is that the case has nothing to do with whether or not election fraud existed in Michigan's 2020 election. The merits of the case had no part is the decision to dismiss, which IMHO ought to be addressed and considered in EVERY state that has reasonable allegations of misconduct. Certainly the state legislatures ought to be holding hearings to determine what really happened and whether anything was not as it should have been. Somebody tell me: has there been ANY court case anywhere that actually examined the merits or claims of misdeeds and declared the election was not tainted?

And let's be clear about our court system: it requires enough evidence to consider whether criminal acts occurred. And in most cases, that requires intent and that is hard to prove. We see so many politicians charged with some kind of misconduct that may be illegal but are not convicted or even indicted because the burden of proof always rests with the prosecution. All of which means skullduggery may and probably did happen (IMHO more often than not) but since it could not be proven to the satisfaction of a judge, nothing really happens.

And none of us should draw the conclusion that therefore there was no crime, felony, or misdemeanor. And so it is with the 2020 election, as it was in 2016 and before that in 2000. But the real problem is that too many people do not trust the election system we have today, or at least the way in which it was used in 2020. I do not understand how anyone can deny that we should always try to ensure an election that is honest and true, while making sure that no one is disenfranchised.
The reason so many people do not trust they election system we have today is because there are so many people actively trying to sow distrust of the system without any real evidence to substantiate that lack of trust. That's the source of the REAL conspiracy here.

Ultimately, I believe those people could eventually be sued by the individual states in much the same way that Dominion and Smartmatic are suing Fox News and Newsmax and others. This happens every few years when someone or some group tries to undermine public confidence in a business by engaging in a whisper campaign against a company to hopefully cause a drop in earnings.

"The reason so many people do not trust they election system we have today is because there are so many people actively trying to sow distrust of the system without any real evidence to substantiate that lack of trust. That's the source of the REAL conspiracy here."

You say there is no real evidence to substantiate that lack of trust now, but how do you know that? Cuz the democrats say so? Or their propaganda wing in the media? I asked you once, now I'll ask you again: has there been ANY court case anywhere that actually examined the merits or claims of misdeeds and declared the election was not tainted?

There was no real evidence in 2016 either, was there? Almost 3 years and millions of dollars of our tax-dollars spent and NOTHING. But that wasn't a REAL conspiracy? You don't think the democrats and their friends tried as hard as they could to undermine public confidence and trust in the Trump Administration? To make it appear as illegitimate from even before he was inaugurated?
The courts have shown it because there no evidence is produced after Trump's lawyers have made grandiose claims of all the evidence they have.

You see, the lawyers can say whatever they want from a podium somewhere when the cameras are rolling, and they're not under oath. However, once they're in court, as officers of the court, they can't just say anything without the evidence to substantiate their claims. That's when their cases fall flat like a raw egg being dropped on the floor.

Then they walk back out to the podium and make even more unsubstantiated claims.

It's an example of wash, rinse, repeat.
 
This is so damn tiring, and it's tiring because it's a completely unnecessary waste of time. Having said that, I get the impression that these unwarranted lawsuits are going to continue for one reason and one reason only: To appease the ego of a man who refuses to face reality.

Cult members gonna cult.

I think most kids go through an experience where they think that can cover up their own failure by accusing others of cheating. "OK, Donny, I understand. The only reason you lost is because half the class was cheating. Now, sit down and shut up before I put on on time out."
Most kids learn the can't get their way by throwing a fit. Some don't.
The people throwing a fit are the ones trying to stop the audits. Next.
Of course. Half the country was in on a conspiracy to steal the Presidency away from Trump by voting him out of office. I feel your pain.
The conspiracy to defraud Trump had all kinds of people. Half the country thinks the election was stolen and no one is changing their mind. You keep lying, no one but the other liars are listening.
It's not half the country.

How many of those Capitol rioters have gotten caught because they couldn't keep their mouths shut? The point is this: Human beings. in general, are notorious for not being able to keep a secret. So, you believe that there's potentially thousands of people who conspired to steal the election from Trump, and nobody has come forward to spill the beans? How about spouses and best friends? How about someone who just happens to overhear a conversation about the fraud? How about someone who hears a voice message, or intercepts and email, or finds a note about it? Nada! Do you know what the most likely explanation for that is? There was no fraud!


Most of all, anyone who thinks the Democratic Party is smart enough to come up with and pull off such a wide spread scheme throughout our whole nation, well, I've got some beautiful ocean beachfront property in Colorado to sell them.

There is a reason why people like me see democrats as spineless wimps who can't shoot straight.
After 4 years of hate from everyone involved in getting rid of Trump? They had a ready made network. The election was stolen.
 
A good lawyer would have known the plaintiff had no standing, and therefor should have refused to file the lawsuit in the first place, but he probably saw an quick and easy paycheck without the need to truly prepare to litigate the case not to mention some high profile press coverage to get his name out there. The lawyer should probably be investigated by the Michigan State Bar Association for an ethics violation.

Possibly, but that's beside the point, isn't it? The point, which you are assiduously avoiding, is that the case has nothing to do with whether or not election fraud existed in Michigan's 2020 election. The merits of the case had no part is the decision to dismiss, which IMHO ought to be addressed and considered in EVERY state that has reasonable allegations of misconduct. Certainly the state legislatures ought to be holding hearings to determine what really happened and whether anything was not as it should have been. Somebody tell me: has there been ANY court case anywhere that actually examined the merits or claims of misdeeds and declared the election was not tainted?

And let's be clear about our court system: it requires enough evidence to consider whether criminal acts occurred. And in most cases, that requires intent and that is hard to prove. We see so many politicians charged with some kind of misconduct that may be illegal but are not convicted or even indicted because the burden of proof always rests with the prosecution. All of which means skullduggery may and probably did happen (IMHO more often than not) but since it could not be proven to the satisfaction of a judge, nothing really happens.

And none of us should draw the conclusion that therefore there was no crime, felony, or misdemeanor. And so it is with the 2020 election, as it was in 2016 and before that in 2000. But the real problem is that too many people do not trust the election system we have today, or at least the way in which it was used in 2020. I do not understand how anyone can deny that we should always try to ensure an election that is honest and true, while making sure that no one is disenfranchised.
The reason so many people do not trust they election system we have today is because there are so many people actively trying to sow distrust of the system without any real evidence to substantiate that lack of trust. That's the source of the REAL conspiracy here.

Ultimately, I believe those people could eventually be sued by the individual states in much the same way that Dominion and Smartmatic are suing Fox News and Newsmax and others. This happens every few years when someone or some group tries to undermine public confidence in a business by engaging in a whisper campaign against a company to hopefully cause a drop in earnings.

"The reason so many people do not trust they election system we have today is because there are so many people actively trying to sow distrust of the system without any real evidence to substantiate that lack of trust. That's the source of the REAL conspiracy here."

You say there is no real evidence to substantiate that lack of trust now, but how do you know that? Cuz the democrats say so? Or their propaganda wing in the media? I asked you once, now I'll ask you again: has there been ANY court case anywhere that actually examined the merits or claims of misdeeds and declared the election was not tainted?

There was no real evidence in 2016 either, was there? Almost 3 years and millions of dollars of our tax-dollars spent and NOTHING. But that wasn't a REAL conspiracy? You don't think the democrats and their friends tried as hard as they could to undermine public confidence and trust in the Trump Administration? To make it appear as illegitimate from even before he was inaugurated?
The courts have shown it because there no evidence is produced after Trump's lawyers have made grandiose claims of all the evidence they have.

You see, the lawyers can say whatever they want from a podium somewhere when the cameras are rolling, and they're not under oath. However, once they're in court, as officers of the court, they can't just say anything without the evidence to substantiate their claims. That's when their cases fall flat like a raw egg being dropped on the floor.

Then they walk back out to the podium and make even more unsubstantiated claims.

It's an example of wash, rinse, repeat.
The courts have shown the cases had no standing which is a way never to hear the evidence. That is a tired old lie. But everything you say about the election is a lie.
 
A good lawyer would have known the plaintiff had no standing, and therefor should have refused to file the lawsuit in the first place, but he probably saw an quick and easy paycheck without the need to truly prepare to litigate the case not to mention some high profile press coverage to get his name out there. The lawyer should probably be investigated by the Michigan State Bar Association for an ethics violation.

Possibly, but that's beside the point, isn't it? The point, which you are assiduously avoiding, is that the case has nothing to do with whether or not election fraud existed in Michigan's 2020 election. The merits of the case had no part is the decision to dismiss, which IMHO ought to be addressed and considered in EVERY state that has reasonable allegations of misconduct. Certainly the state legislatures ought to be holding hearings to determine what really happened and whether anything was not as it should have been. Somebody tell me: has there been ANY court case anywhere that actually examined the merits or claims of misdeeds and declared the election was not tainted?

And let's be clear about our court system: it requires enough evidence to consider whether criminal acts occurred. And in most cases, that requires intent and that is hard to prove. We see so many politicians charged with some kind of misconduct that may be illegal but are not convicted or even indicted because the burden of proof always rests with the prosecution. All of which means skullduggery may and probably did happen (IMHO more often than not) but since it could not be proven to the satisfaction of a judge, nothing really happens.

And none of us should draw the conclusion that therefore there was no crime, felony, or misdemeanor. And so it is with the 2020 election, as it was in 2016 and before that in 2000. But the real problem is that too many people do not trust the election system we have today, or at least the way in which it was used in 2020. I do not understand how anyone can deny that we should always try to ensure an election that is honest and true, while making sure that no one is disenfranchised.
The reason so many people do not trust they election system we have today is because there are so many people actively trying to sow distrust of the system without any real evidence to substantiate that lack of trust. That's the source of the REAL conspiracy here.

Ultimately, I believe those people could eventually be sued by the individual states in much the same way that Dominion and Smartmatic are suing Fox News and Newsmax and others. This happens every few years when someone or some group tries to undermine public confidence in a business by engaging in a whisper campaign against a company to hopefully cause a drop in earnings.

"The reason so many people do not trust they election system we have today is because there are so many people actively trying to sow distrust of the system without any real evidence to substantiate that lack of trust. That's the source of the REAL conspiracy here."

You say there is no real evidence to substantiate that lack of trust now, but how do you know that? Cuz the democrats say so? Or their propaganda wing in the media? I asked you once, now I'll ask you again: has there been ANY court case anywhere that actually examined the merits or claims of misdeeds and declared the election was not tainted?

There was no real evidence in 2016 either, was there? Almost 3 years and millions of dollars of our tax-dollars spent and NOTHING. But that wasn't a REAL conspiracy? You don't think the democrats and their friends tried as hard as they could to undermine public confidence and trust in the Trump Administration? To make it appear as illegitimate from even before he was inaugurated?
The courts have shown it because there no evidence is produced after Trump's lawyers have made grandiose claims of all the evidence they have.

You see, the lawyers can say whatever they want from a podium somewhere when the cameras are rolling, and they're not under oath. However, once they're in court, as officers of the court, they can't just say anything without the evidence to substantiate their claims. That's when their cases fall flat like a raw egg being dropped on the floor.

Then they walk back out to the podium and make even more unsubstantiated claims.

It's an example of wash, rinse, repeat.
The courts have shown the cases had no standing which is a way never to hear the evidence. That is a tired old lie. But everything you say about the election is a lie.
Not all of the courts.

If I was a dishonest person, and a con man to boot, I'd be paying special attention to these election fraud claims for one reason. I would see a wide open sea of marks just waiting to get fleeced. And that's EXACTLY what is currently happening as all those PAC letters and congressional fund raising letters are being sent out to the Republican base asking for money to help fight election fraud.

KA-CHING!!!
 
How do you undermine democracy by going through proper legal channels?
What a bullshit excuse :lol:
 
They are not finished. They will keep trying to expose the more than obvious fraud.
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A good lawyer would have known the plaintiff had no standing, and therefor should have refused to file the lawsuit in the first place, but he probably saw an quick and easy paycheck without the need to truly prepare to litigate the case not to mention some high profile press coverage to get his name out there. The lawyer should probably be investigated by the Michigan State Bar Association for an ethics violation.

Possibly, but that's beside the point, isn't it? The point, which you are assiduously avoiding, is that the case has nothing to do with whether or not election fraud existed in Michigan's 2020 election. The merits of the case had no part is the decision to dismiss, which IMHO ought to be addressed and considered in EVERY state that has reasonable allegations of misconduct. Certainly the state legislatures ought to be holding hearings to determine what really happened and whether anything was not as it should have been. Somebody tell me: has there been ANY court case anywhere that actually examined the merits or claims of misdeeds and declared the election was not tainted?

And let's be clear about our court system: it requires enough evidence to consider whether criminal acts occurred. And in most cases, that requires intent and that is hard to prove. We see so many politicians charged with some kind of misconduct that may be illegal but are not convicted or even indicted because the burden of proof always rests with the prosecution. All of which means skullduggery may and probably did happen (IMHO more often than not) but since it could not be proven to the satisfaction of a judge, nothing really happens.

And none of us should draw the conclusion that therefore there was no crime, felony, or misdemeanor. And so it is with the 2020 election, as it was in 2016 and before that in 2000. But the real problem is that too many people do not trust the election system we have today, or at least the way in which it was used in 2020. I do not understand how anyone can deny that we should always try to ensure an election that is honest and true, while making sure that no one is disenfranchised.
The reason so many people do not trust the election system we have today is because there are so many people actively trying to sow distrust of the system without any real evidence to substantiate that lack of trust. That's the source of the REAL conspiracy here.

Ultimately, I believe those people could eventually be sued by the individual states in much the same way that Dominion and Smartmatic are suing Fox News and Newsmax and others. This happens every few years when someone or some group tries to undermine public confidence in a business by engaging in a whisper campaign against a company to hopefully cause a drop in earnings.
No precinct should ever stop counting! I give two shits your thoughts
 
Another liberal judge strikes a blow against American democracy.
He's a Republican appointed by a Republican Governor.
So? Half a dozen top tier Republicans back-stabbed Trump the first chance they got. The bottom line is that when one party goes out of its way to suppress an audit or the ability of a court to hear evidence over fraud in elections, it makes that party seem like they have something to hide. You can get as tired of it as you like. The audits are going to continue and every time Dems erase databases or destroy actual ballots, the non Democrats in America are watching and coming to their own conclusions about the cheating. The reason Dems are damned near panicked over this is that once the means that were used for the fraud have been exposed, it won't be possible to safely do it again and they KNOW they are going down unless they can rig the 2022 and 2024.
If evidence IS established showing how they cheated, the pressure to dump the filibuster and ram through HR1 will be overwhelming. HR1 is nothing less than a coup by the Democrat party and it WILL NOT STAND.
This is so damn tiring, and it's tiring because it's a completely unnecessary waste of time. Having said that, I get the impression that these unwarranted lawsuits are going to continue for one reason and one reason only: To appease the ego of a man who refuses to face reality.

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Michigan Judge Flatly Rejects ‘Last of the Lawsuits Attempting to Undermine Democracy’ in Big Loss for Trump Fans Who Believed an Audit Would Show Fraud​


A judge in Michigan dismissed a lawsuit on Monday that was recently promoted by former president Donald Trump as a “major” case.

The lawsuit, which aimed to force a new audit of the 2020 presidential election results in Antrim County, apparently wasn’t strong enough to live past a motion to dismiss filed by Michigan’s secretary of state and the Antrim County clerk’s office.

Thirteenth Circuit Court Judge Kevin Elsenheimer ruled that the lawsuit filed by Michigan resident Bill Bailey lacks the legal grounds to move forward due to a statewide post-election audit that finished up in March, according to Cadillac-based CBS affiliate WWTV.

“There is no right, either in the constitutional section, or in the statute, for the independent audit that Mr. Bailey seeks as a petitioner under article 2 section 4,” the court noted. “The plaintiff does not get to choose his own audit criteria, rather the legislature is given that authority. So while a citizen may seek to audit the results of the statewide election, it must do so according to the law. That law provides for performance of the audit by the Secretary of State. There is no other relief available to the plaintiff on this point.”

According to the outlet, Bailey originally filed his lawsuit in order to take stock of a marijuana-related ballot measure that came down to a close recount. Pro-Trump forces later attached themselves to the effort, and the litigation became something of a cause célèbre among the most diehard MAGA loyalists, who largely and erroneously believe the 2020 election was stolen. There is no evidence of widespread voter or electoral fraud during the election, and Trump himself actually won Antrim County.

Determining that Bailey’s claims were moot, the judge noted the audit had already been conducted.

“I am saying that, as pled, the plaintiff’s request for an audit is not available,” Elsenheimer said. “[An audit] did occur and it appears to have been done so pursuant to authority.”


Your realiity involves the fact you want people to accept a stolen election. That is not reality. It is not going to happen.

There was no stolen election. That is a total fabrication and one that has already been rejected by the vast majoroty of Americans who voted against Donald Trump as well as every court and legislature in the country.

The only people rejecting this reality, or the small minority who still believe Donald Trump. Even the Republican party leaders refuse to confirm the lie of the “stolen election”. The only people rejecting this reality, are the small minority who still believe Donald Trump. Even the Republican party leaders refuse to state that the election was stolen

That is the only reality there is
 
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No precinct should ever stop counting!
The problem was they started counting the fraudulent votes.
correct, all of the legal ballots had been counted and xiden lost. therefore, they declared a counting stop to pack the ballots in the five states. The evidence is all there.
But never produced.
well again, need a warrant to remove said counterfeit ballots. guess what all the paid off judges said?
 

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