Message sent': Collective bargaining measure fails
Lansing — Michigan voters rejected a controversial measure to enshrine collective bargaining in the state Constitution.
The union-backed measure mustered only 42 percent support with most precincts reporting. Voter approval would have made Michigan the first state in the nation with such a constitutional guarantee of collective bargaining rights.
The proposed amendment known as Proposal 2 would have prohibited the Legislature from approving any new laws to restrict collective bargaining.
Proposals 3-6 — dealing with alternative energy, home health care, tax increase safeguards and bridge voting requirements — also failed.
Lt. Gov. Brian Calley, in a 2:15 a.m. tweet that noted Republicans kept control of the Michigan House and defeated Proposals 2-6, said, "Thank you voters for your affirmation of our work."
Other allies were more blunt.
"Michigan union bosses were more interested in attacking job providers and the state's reinvention effort than in representing their members best interest," Michigan Chamber of Commerce President and CEO Rich Studley said in a Tuesday night statement, "and today at the ballot box union members themselves stood up to their bosses and overwhelmingly rejected their divisive approach."
Nice little try but you just cannot answer the question now can you.
Who said that doesn't bother folks? Oh, that was you who said that.
I'll leave you to keep arguing with yourself.
I was in 1971. The first meeting I went to, this dirty old man got up in front of all us office girls and told us to wear miniskirts up to our navels if we wanted to to defy a 4-inches-above-the-knee limit set down by the company. What they were aiming at was to have Union office gals busting up Management marriages.
The meeting pissed me off after I had to give up 8% of my wages which were the lowest in the company on the ground floor, and I had a family to support all by myself. And I refused to bust up coworkers' marriages by dressing shamefully like the idiots wanted.
Don't lecture me about how people aren't forced to join a union. I was pulled aside by 2 ladies when I balked about joining before that meeting. They said they'd be forced to make my life hell on earth if I didn't sign pay and join. they had to answer for whether I joined the damn union.
You don't think that smells to high heaven?
It's called Omerta Union shenannigans. Nobody can prove anything because it just didn't happen the way (intimidated secretly) witnesses said.
There are laws against intimidating people into joining a union. If you didn't report the crime that's your problem. Its hardly fair to pass laws prohibiting what kinds of agreements unions and business can make with one another just because some folks are too chicken to report crimes against them.
You do not know that in a union shop state EVERYONE is required to join the union before they can get a job in a union company?
I was in 1971. The first meeting I went to, this dirty old man got up in front of all us office girls and told us to wear miniskirts up to our navels if we wanted to to defy a 4-inches-above-the-knee limit set down by the company. What they were aiming at was to have Union office gals busting up Management marriages.
The meeting pissed me off after I had to give up 8% of my wages which were the lowest in the company on the ground floor, and I had a family to support all by myself. And I refused to bust up coworkers' marriages by dressing shamefully like the idiots wanted.
Don't lecture me about how people aren't forced to join a union. I was pulled aside by 2 ladies when I balked about joining before that meeting. They said they'd be forced to make my life hell on earth if I didn't sign pay and join. they had to answer for whether I joined the damn union.
You don't think that smells to high heaven?
It's called Omerta Union shenannigans. Nobody can prove anything because it just didn't happen the way (intimidated secretly) witnesses said.
There are laws against intimidating people into joining a union. If you didn't report the crime that's your problem. Its hardly fair to pass laws prohibiting what kinds of agreements unions and business can make with one another just because some folks are too chicken to report crimes against them.
If a union wants a union shop and the business they work for agrees to that condition in writing, then being made to pay union dues as a condition of employment is no different than any other condition an employer may make on employment.
"Right to work" laws don't give you any more a right to work than you did before - rather, instead, those laws infringe on the rights of business and labor to determine between themselves what kind of contract they would like to have with each other.
Union shop is STATE LAW. That is why it took the legislature TO CHANGE THAT LAW.
NOTHING to do with businesses and unions negotiating together. That is THE LAW of the state, MANDATORY! NO EXCEPTIONS.
Until now, freedom for workers as they now have a right to work.
So happy to hear you are having some kind of a pleasant experience at my expense in your poor, forlorn little lifey.
It was unionized during the time I was there...my last year, as a matter of fact.
