Exactly my point. That is why the cops don't advance to the suspect and try to apprehend him while he is on the ground. They make the suspect come to them. Once the suspect is secured behind them the police can then advance on the room. I thought we were in agreement.
we have another James Bond, Bruce Lee, and Six Million Dollar Man here
MESA -- Police in Mesa, Arizona released disturbing body camera video on Thursday hours after a former officer was acquitted of a murder charge in the fatal shooting of an unarmed man.
The verdict cleared Philip Brailsford, 27, of criminal liability in the 2016 death of Daniel Shaver, of Granbury, Texas. He was also found not guilty of reckless manslaughter, reports CBS Phoenix affiliate KPHO-TV.
The shooting occurred at a hotel in the Phoenix suburb where officers responded to a report of someone pointing a gun out of a window. The video, obtained by KPHO, shows Brailsford pointing a gun at Shaver as Shaver lies on the ground, holds his hands in the air, cries and begs the officer not to shoot.
[WARNING: Graphic content] Body-cam video shows Mesa police shooting
Mesa Police shooting: Daniel Shaver seen crawling, begging in disturbing video
No gun was seen in hand when GANG MEMBER PIG COP Scores Another MURDER TROPHY
for the murdering Anti-American PIG COP COWARD Murder Association! Over 700 plus people
were murdered this year by sick cowardly scumbag pig cops.
BTW:
Shaver, who was intoxicated and could be heard sobbing, begging officers, "Please don't shoot," made a single hand motion, towards his waist, possibly to adjust his pants. Brailsford yelled at Shaver that if Shaver did anything whatsoever that deviated from his instructions he would shoot him and he probably wouldnāt survive. Shaverās arm then moved again as he wobbled while crawling forward, at which point Brailsford can be heard yelling "Don't-" before immediately opening fire with his AR-15 rifle, striking Shaver 5 times and killing him almost instantly. Shaver was unarmed.
MESA -- Police in Mesa, Arizona released disturbing body camera video on Thursday hours after a former officer was acquitted of a murder charge in the fatal shooting of an unarmed man.
The verdict cleared Philip Brailsford, 27, of criminal liability in the 2016 death of Daniel Shaver, of Granbury, Texas. He was also found not guilty of reckless manslaughter, reports CBS Phoenix affiliate KPHO-TV.
The shooting occurred at a hotel in the Phoenix suburb where officers responded to a report of someone pointing a gun out of a window. The video, obtained by KPHO, shows Brailsford pointing a gun at Shaver as Shaver lies on the ground, holds his hands in the air, cries and begs the officer not to shoot.
[WARNING: Graphic content] Body-cam video shows Mesa police shooting
Mesa Police shooting: Daniel Shaver seen crawling, begging in disturbing video
for the murdering Anti-American PIG COP COWARD Murder Association! Over 700 plus people
were murdered this year by sick cowardly scumbag pig cops.
BTW:
Shaver, who was intoxicated and could be heard sobbing, begging officers, "Please don't shoot," made a single hand motion, towards his waist, possibly to adjust his pants. Brailsford yelled at Shaver that if Shaver did anything whatsoever that deviated from his instructions he would shoot him and he probably wouldnāt survive. Shaverās arm then moved again as he wobbled while crawling forward, at which point Brailsford can be heard yelling "Don't-" before immediately opening fire with his AR-15 rifle, striking Shaver 5 times and killing him almost instantly. Shaver was unarmed.
Enough with the pig cop language, that will get you nowhere. I do not stand with BLM, but this is partially what theyāre talking about.
This is NOT OK. I understand he reached back but there were 20 other ways to handle this without have to fire a shot. IF THE OFFICER WAS WORRIED ABOUT THIS KID BEING ARMED, THEN HE SHOULDVE HAD HIM TURN AROUND, LIFT UP HIS SHIRT, AND WALK BACKWARDS. I know the cop was technically in the right, but these rules have to change. These officers didnāt even take half the measures necessary to ensure there would be no shooting, AND THEY HAD TOTAL CONTROL OF THE SITUATION, which means there was zero excuse for this. If it was a more rapidly developing situation, with a lot of unknowns, maybe thereās an argument there (barley) Clearly this kid was scared shitless, and obviously not thinking straight, I donāt know who can in a situation like that. And these police expect someoneās mind not to frantically race in this type of situation, to not act like somebody scared to death...no, no excuse.
Police NEED to identify a weapon/legitimate threat before taking lethal measures. Non of this philando Castile āoh your reaching, I have to shoot you now,ā BULLSHIT. This needs to stop. Seriously no excuse. If this was you or I, as a civilian, catching somebody who actually did intend harm, and we had control of the situation like this, and shot...weād definitely be getting charged, no doubt about it. Cops cannot have lower standards than the citizens they a supposed to protect.
Obviously you don't live in the great state of Florida.
MESA -- Police in Mesa, Arizona released disturbing body camera video on Thursday hours after a former officer was acquitted of a murder charge in the fatal shooting of an unarmed man.
The verdict cleared Philip Brailsford, 27, of criminal liability in the 2016 death of Daniel Shaver, of Granbury, Texas. He was also found not guilty of reckless manslaughter, reports CBS Phoenix affiliate KPHO-TV.
The shooting occurred at a hotel in the Phoenix suburb where officers responded to a report of someone pointing a gun out of a window. The video, obtained by KPHO, shows Brailsford pointing a gun at Shaver as Shaver lies on the ground, holds his hands in the air, cries and begs the officer not to shoot.
[WARNING: Graphic content] Body-cam video shows Mesa police shooting
Mesa Police shooting: Daniel Shaver seen crawling, begging in disturbing video
for the murdering Anti-American PIG COP COWARD Murder Association! Over 700 plus people
were murdered this year by sick cowardly scumbag pig cops.
BTW:
Shaver, who was intoxicated and could be heard sobbing, begging officers, "Please don't shoot," made a single hand motion, towards his waist, possibly to adjust his pants. Brailsford yelled at Shaver that if Shaver did anything whatsoever that deviated from his instructions he would shoot him and he probably wouldnāt survive. Shaverās arm then moved again as he wobbled while crawling forward, at which point Brailsford can be heard yelling "Don't-" before immediately opening fire with his AR-15 rifle, striking Shaver 5 times and killing him almost instantly. Shaver was unarmed.
Enough with the pig cop language, that will get you nowhere. I do not stand with BLM, but this is partially what theyāre talking about.
This is NOT OK. I understand he reached back but there were 20 other ways to handle this without have to fire a shot. IF THE OFFICER WAS WORRIED ABOUT THIS KID BEING ARMED, THEN HE SHOULDVE HAD HIM TURN AROUND, LIFT UP HIS SHIRT, AND WALK BACKWARDS. I know the cop was technically in the right, but these rules have to change. These officers didnāt even take half the measures necessary to ensure there would be no shooting, AND THEY HAD TOTAL CONTROL OF THE SITUATION, which means there was zero excuse for this. If it was a more rapidly developing situation, with a lot of unknowns, maybe thereās an argument there (barley) Clearly this kid was scared shitless, and obviously not thinking straight, I donāt know who can in a situation like that. And these police expect someoneās mind not to frantically race in this type of situation, to not act like somebody scared to death...no, no excuse.
Police NEED to identify a weapon/legitimate threat before taking lethal measures. Non of this philando Castile āoh your reaching, I have to shoot you now,ā BULLSHIT. This needs to stop. Seriously no excuse. If this was you or I, as a civilian, catching somebody who actually did intend harm, and we had control of the situation like this, and shot...weād definitely be getting charged, no doubt about it. Cops cannot have lower standards than the citizens they a supposed to protect.
you people are talking like you are not human--you are perfect--YOU would do it differently
---you would do it the same...please don't try to say you wouldn't
you could handle every situation perfectly--just like they do in the movies
I believe in stand your ground laws, if somebody is threatening your life, youāre allowe to use lethal force if need be...if youāre referring to tavon Austin, Iād say bashing someoneās head against the curb qualifies as that. If it was the other way around, and tavon was having his head bashed on the curb, then Iād be siding with tavon as well. But that wasnāt the case, I still think Zimmerman is a douche, but douches have a right to protect themselves too.
MESA -- Police in Mesa, Arizona released disturbing body camera video on Thursday hours after a former officer was acquitted of a murder charge in the fatal shooting of an unarmed man.
The verdict cleared Philip Brailsford, 27, of criminal liability in the 2016 death of Daniel Shaver, of Granbury, Texas. He was also found not guilty of reckless manslaughter, reports CBS Phoenix affiliate KPHO-TV.
The shooting occurred at a hotel in the Phoenix suburb where officers responded to a report of someone pointing a gun out of a window. The video, obtained by KPHO, shows Brailsford pointing a gun at Shaver as Shaver lies on the ground, holds his hands in the air, cries and begs the officer not to shoot.
[WARNING: Graphic content] Body-cam video shows Mesa police shooting
Mesa Police shooting: Daniel Shaver seen crawling, begging in disturbing video
for the murdering Anti-American PIG COP COWARD Murder Association! Over 700 plus people
were murdered this year by sick cowardly scumbag pig cops.
BTW:
Shaver, who was intoxicated and could be heard sobbing, begging officers, "Please don't shoot," made a single hand motion, towards his waist, possibly to adjust his pants. Brailsford yelled at Shaver that if Shaver did anything whatsoever that deviated from his instructions he would shoot him and he probably wouldnāt survive. Shaverās arm then moved again as he wobbled while crawling forward, at which point Brailsford can be heard yelling "Don't-" before immediately opening fire with his AR-15 rifle, striking Shaver 5 times and killing him almost instantly. Shaver was unarmed.
Enough with the pig cop language, that will get you nowhere. I do not stand with BLM, but this is partially what theyāre talking about.
This is NOT OK. I understand he reached back but there were 20 other ways to handle this without have to fire a shot. IF THE OFFICER WAS WORRIED ABOUT THIS KID BEING ARMED, THEN HE SHOULDVE HAD HIM TURN AROUND, LIFT UP HIS SHIRT, AND WALK BACKWARDS. I know the cop was technically in the right, but these rules have to change. These officers didnāt even take half the measures necessary to ensure there would be no shooting, AND THEY HAD TOTAL CONTROL OF THE SITUATION, which means there was zero excuse for this. If it was a more rapidly developing situation, with a lot of unknowns, maybe thereās an argument there (barley) Clearly this kid was scared shitless, and obviously not thinking straight, I donāt know who can in a situation like that. And these police expect someoneās mind not to frantically race in this type of situation, to not act like somebody scared to death...no, no excuse.
Police NEED to identify a weapon/legitimate threat before taking lethal measures. Non of this philando Castile āoh your reaching, I have to shoot you now,ā BULLSHIT. This needs to stop. Seriously no excuse. If this was you or I, as a civilian, catching somebody who actually did intend harm, and we had control of the situation like this, and shot...weād definitely be getting charged, no doubt about it. Cops cannot have lower standards than the citizens they a supposed to protect.
you people are talking like you are not human--you are perfect--YOU would do it differently
---you would do it the same...please don't try to say you wouldn't
you could handle every situation perfectly--just like they do in the movies
This wasnāt a touch and go situation, they had full control of the situation. If the cop was worried about a gun in the back of the waste band, he shouldnāt asked the suspect to lift his shirt, like cops are supposed to do in that situation. There is zero excuse for cops to have less strict rules of engagement than our own soldiers do in freaking war zones. This officer DID NOT EVALUATE THE SITUATION PROPERLY. What cops are being trained now a days, is that they have a unequal right to self defense than you are I. They are being trained to use lethal force at the slightest sign of potential danger, without fully evaluating what that danger could be to the best of their ability, with a one size fits all policy of shoot when someone reaches. I want all officers to get home safe, but there is no reason that they should have a lower standard of self defense than you or I. Again if this situation was developing more quickly, and they did not have control, like they did in this situation, thatās a different story. But that wasnāt the story.
It was a story much like this one
Albuquerque PD under fire for deadly police shootings
Or like this one
You canāt ask someone for the liscence and registration, and not expect someone to reach for it. Reaching is not a strong enough indicator of danger. Nope, sorry.
If I was a cop I wouldn't believe myself to have full control until the threat was neutralized and the room cleared. Until such time everything is a judgement call. Trained professionals are constantly placed under the microscope for their judgement calls because the profession requires it, no way untrained people should be given the same latitude. Zimmerman had no reason to engage Martin. The cop was doing his job.
No reason?? Thereās no body cam, how the hell do you know what happened? All we know is that there was a commotion started, and witness reports were in line with Zimmerman testimony, as well as Zimmermanās injuries. Unless Zimmerman went in full fledged attack on travon, thereās no excuse to bash someoneās head against the curb, thatās on Martin. So whatever reason Zimmerman chose to talk to Martin doesnāt really matter, since itās not too difficult to say, you shouldnāt go bashing peopleās heads against concrete corners. And from all the evidence and testimony we gathered, thatās what happened. Iāve seen people in the Hospital for months over less, weāre talking high force, small surface area onto something with ZERO give. Very bad combination, very dangerous. It might have well been a bolted down anvil.
MESA -- Police in Mesa, Arizona released disturbing body camera video on Thursday hours after a former officer was acquitted of a murder charge in the fatal shooting of an unarmed man.
The verdict cleared Philip Brailsford, 27, of criminal liability in the 2016 death of Daniel Shaver, of Granbury, Texas. He was also found not guilty of reckless manslaughter, reports CBS Phoenix affiliate KPHO-TV.
The shooting occurred at a hotel in the Phoenix suburb where officers responded to a report of someone pointing a gun out of a window. The video, obtained by KPHO, shows Brailsford pointing a gun at Shaver as Shaver lies on the ground, holds his hands in the air, cries and begs the officer not to shoot.
[WARNING: Graphic content] Body-cam video shows Mesa police shooting
Mesa Police shooting: Daniel Shaver seen crawling, begging in disturbing video
for the murdering Anti-American PIG COP COWARD Murder Association! Over 700 plus people
were murdered this year by sick cowardly scumbag pig cops.
BTW:
Shaver, who was intoxicated and could be heard sobbing, begging officers, "Please don't shoot," made a single hand motion, towards his waist, possibly to adjust his pants. Brailsford yelled at Shaver that if Shaver did anything whatsoever that deviated from his instructions he would shoot him and he probably wouldnāt survive. Shaverās arm then moved again as he wobbled while crawling forward, at which point Brailsford can be heard yelling "Don't-" before immediately opening fire with his AR-15 rifle, striking Shaver 5 times and killing him almost instantly. Shaver was unarmed.
Enough with the pig cop language, that will get you nowhere. I do not stand with BLM, but this is partially what theyāre talking about.
This is NOT OK. I understand he reached back but there were 20 other ways to handle this without have to fire a shot. IF THE OFFICER WAS WORRIED ABOUT THIS KID BEING ARMED, THEN HE SHOULDVE HAD HIM TURN AROUND, LIFT UP HIS SHIRT, AND WALK BACKWARDS. I know the cop was technically in the right, but these rules have to change. These officers didnāt even take half the measures necessary to ensure there would be no shooting, AND THEY HAD TOTAL CONTROL OF THE SITUATION, which means there was zero excuse for this. If it was a more rapidly developing situation, with a lot of unknowns, maybe thereās an argument there (barley) Clearly this kid was scared shitless, and obviously not thinking straight, I donāt know who can in a situation like that. And these police expect someoneās mind not to frantically race in this type of situation, to not act like somebody scared to death...no, no excuse.
Police NEED to identify a weapon/legitimate threat before taking lethal measures. Non of this philando Castile āoh your reaching, I have to shoot you now,ā BULLSHIT. This needs to stop. Seriously no excuse. If this was you or I, as a civilian, catching somebody who actually did intend harm, and we had control of the situation like this, and shot...weād definitely be getting charged, no doubt about it. Cops cannot have lower standards than the citizens they a supposed to protect.
you people are talking like you are not human--you are perfect--YOU would do it differently
---you would do it the same...please don't try to say you wouldn't
you could handle every situation perfectly--just like they do in the movies
This wasnāt a touch and go situation, they had full control of the situation. If the cop was worried about a gun in the back of the waste band, he shouldnāt asked the suspect to lift his shirt, like cops are supposed to do in that situation. There is zero excuse for cops to have less strict rules of engagement than our own soldiers do in freaking war zones. This officer DID NOT EVALUATE THE SITUATION PROPERLY. What cops are being trained now a days, is that they have a unequal right to self defense than you are I. They are being trained to use lethal force at the slightest sign of potential danger, without fully evaluating what that danger could be to the best of their ability, with a one size fits all policy of shoot when someone reaches. I want all officers to get home safe, but there is no reason that they should have a lower standard of self defense than you or I. Again if this situation was developing more quickly, and they did not have control, like they did in this situation, thatās a different story. But that wasnāt the story.
It was a story much like this one
Albuquerque PD under fire for deadly police shootings
Or like this one
You canāt ask someone for the liscence and registration, and not expect someone to reach for it. Reaching is not a strong enough indicator of danger. Nope, sorry.
do you want me to link how many times people have pulled guns on cops--like during traffic stops, or if the cop is just talking, etc?
MESA -- Police in Mesa, Arizona released disturbing body camera video on Thursday hours after a former officer was acquitted of a murder charge in the fatal shooting of an unarmed man.
The verdict cleared Philip Brailsford, 27, of criminal liability in the 2016 death of Daniel Shaver, of Granbury, Texas. He was also found not guilty of reckless manslaughter, reports CBS Phoenix affiliate KPHO-TV.
The shooting occurred at a hotel in the Phoenix suburb where officers responded to a report of someone pointing a gun out of a window. The video, obtained by KPHO, shows Brailsford pointing a gun at Shaver as Shaver lies on the ground, holds his hands in the air, cries and begs the officer not to shoot.
[WARNING: Graphic content] Body-cam video shows Mesa police shooting
Mesa Police shooting: Daniel Shaver seen crawling, begging in disturbing video
for the murdering Anti-American PIG COP COWARD Murder Association! Over 700 plus people
were murdered this year by sick cowardly scumbag pig cops.
BTW:
Shaver, who was intoxicated and could be heard sobbing, begging officers, "Please don't shoot," made a single hand motion, towards his waist, possibly to adjust his pants. Brailsford yelled at Shaver that if Shaver did anything whatsoever that deviated from his instructions he would shoot him and he probably wouldnāt survive. Shaverās arm then moved again as he wobbled while crawling forward, at which point Brailsford can be heard yelling "Don't-" before immediately opening fire with his AR-15 rifle, striking Shaver 5 times and killing him almost instantly. Shaver was unarmed.
Enough with the pig cop language, that will get you nowhere. I do not stand with BLM, but this is partially what theyāre talking about.
This is NOT OK. I understand he reached back but there were 20 other ways to handle this without have to fire a shot. IF THE OFFICER WAS WORRIED ABOUT THIS KID BEING ARMED, THEN HE SHOULDVE HAD HIM TURN AROUND, LIFT UP HIS SHIRT, AND WALK BACKWARDS. I know the cop was technically in the right, but these rules have to change. These officers didnāt even take half the measures necessary to ensure there would be no shooting, AND THEY HAD TOTAL CONTROL OF THE SITUATION, which means there was zero excuse for this. If it was a more rapidly developing situation, with a lot of unknowns, maybe thereās an argument there (barley) Clearly this kid was scared shitless, and obviously not thinking straight, I donāt know who can in a situation like that. And these police expect someoneās mind not to frantically race in this type of situation, to not act like somebody scared to death...no, no excuse.
Police NEED to identify a weapon/legitimate threat before taking lethal measures. Non of this philando Castile āoh your reaching, I have to shoot you now,ā BULLSHIT. This needs to stop. Seriously no excuse. If this was you or I, as a civilian, catching somebody who actually did intend harm, and we had control of the situation like this, and shot...weād definitely be getting charged, no doubt about it. Cops cannot have lower standards than the citizens they a supposed to protect.
you people are talking like you are not human--you are perfect--YOU would do it differently
---you would do it the same...please don't try to say you wouldn't
you could handle every situation perfectly--just like they do in the movies
This wasnāt a touch and go situation, they had full control of the situation. If the cop was worried about a gun in the back of the waste band, he shouldnāt asked the suspect to lift his shirt, like cops are supposed to do in that situation. There is zero excuse for cops to have less strict rules of engagement than our own soldiers do in freaking war zones. This officer DID NOT EVALUATE THE SITUATION PROPERLY. What cops are being trained now a days, is that they have a unequal right to self defense than you are I. They are being trained to use lethal force at the slightest sign of potential danger, without fully evaluating what that danger could be to the best of their ability, with a one size fits all policy of shoot when someone reaches. I want all officers to get home safe, but there is no reason that they should have a lower standard of self defense than you or I. Again if this situation was developing more quickly, and they did not have control, like they did in this situation, thatās a different story. But that wasnāt the story.
It was a story much like this one
Albuquerque PD under fire for deadly police shootings
Or like this one
You canāt ask someone for the liscence and registration, and not expect someone to reach for it. Reaching is not a strong enough indicator of danger. Nope, sorry.
do you want me to link how many times people have pulled guns on cops--like during traffic stops, or if the cop is just talking, etc?
Go for it...you shouldāve lead with that instead, you donāt need my permission. Can you actually conceive the amount of times we tell our soldiers return fire only, when thereās an attack very clearly being formed against them...we asked our soldiers to go out and do the impossible, and they did, even though it was borderline insane to do so. And you really think a āwhen in doubt shoot,āexcuse is permissible for those who are charged to protect and serve, when they are not in a literal war zone, not in one of the most dangerous countries on earth, and when their job is statistically safer than that of a garbage man?
Iām not even saying police should return fire only. Hell no, I want them to come home safe. All Iām saying is they should not assume and act on assumptions of threat. Prepare for threat yes, put themselves in advantagous positions absolutely, but identify threat (like we as citizens HAVE TO DO) before they take lethal self defensive measures...And police have been through hell in this country. For a long time now. And our instinct is to give them a pass because āshit, I couldnāt do that, theyāre heroās.ā We are taking away what actually makes them heroās. āWe find these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal.ā Thatās no longer true, we have tipped the scales in their favor. Their life IS more important than yours. There is actually something called the Law Enforcement Bill of Rights out there. Thatās right, look it up, they got their own positive rights that arenāt afforded to you or I. The deck is stacked in their favor in more ways than the lax standards of self defense we afford them. And this isnāt all the officers fault, heās just working with the loose leash that we as society gave him. It is time to reign in that leash where it belongs.
MESA -- Police in Mesa, Arizona released disturbing body camera video on Thursday hours after a former officer was acquitted of a murder charge in the fatal shooting of an unarmed man.
The verdict cleared Philip Brailsford, 27, of criminal liability in the 2016 death of Daniel Shaver, of Granbury, Texas. He was also found not guilty of reckless manslaughter, reports CBS Phoenix affiliate KPHO-TV.
The shooting occurred at a hotel in the Phoenix suburb where officers responded to a report of someone pointing a gun out of a window. The video, obtained by KPHO, shows Brailsford pointing a gun at Shaver as Shaver lies on the ground, holds his hands in the air, cries and begs the officer not to shoot.
[WARNING: Graphic content] Body-cam video shows Mesa police shooting
Mesa Police shooting: Daniel Shaver seen crawling, begging in disturbing video
for the murdering Anti-American PIG COP COWARD Murder Association! Over 700 plus people
were murdered this year by sick cowardly scumbag pig cops.
BTW:
Shaver, who was intoxicated and could be heard sobbing, begging officers, "Please don't shoot," made a single hand motion, towards his waist, possibly to adjust his pants. Brailsford yelled at Shaver that if Shaver did anything whatsoever that deviated from his instructions he would shoot him and he probably wouldnāt survive. Shaverās arm then moved again as he wobbled while crawling forward, at which point Brailsford can be heard yelling "Don't-" before immediately opening fire with his AR-15 rifle, striking Shaver 5 times and killing him almost instantly. Shaver was unarmed.
Enough with the pig cop language, that will get you nowhere. I do not stand with BLM, but this is partially what theyāre talking about.
This is NOT OK. I understand he reached back but there were 20 other ways to handle this without have to fire a shot. IF THE OFFICER WAS WORRIED ABOUT THIS KID BEING ARMED, THEN HE SHOULDVE HAD HIM TURN AROUND, LIFT UP HIS SHIRT, AND WALK BACKWARDS. I know the cop was technically in the right, but these rules have to change. These officers didnāt even take half the measures necessary to ensure there would be no shooting, AND THEY HAD TOTAL CONTROL OF THE SITUATION, which means there was zero excuse for this. If it was a more rapidly developing situation, with a lot of unknowns, maybe thereās an argument there (barley) Clearly this kid was scared shitless, and obviously not thinking straight, I donāt know who can in a situation like that. And these police expect someoneās mind not to frantically race in this type of situation, to not act like somebody scared to death...no, no excuse.
Police NEED to identify a weapon/legitimate threat before taking lethal measures. Non of this philando Castile āoh your reaching, I have to shoot you now,ā BULLSHIT. This needs to stop. Seriously no excuse. If this was you or I, as a civilian, catching somebody who actually did intend harm, and we had control of the situation like this, and shot...weād definitely be getting charged, no doubt about it. Cops cannot have lower standards than the citizens they a supposed to protect.
you people are talking like you are not human--you are perfect--YOU would do it differently
---you would do it the same...please don't try to say you wouldn't
you could handle every situation perfectly--just like they do in the movies
This wasnāt a touch and go situation, they had full control of the situation. If the cop was worried about a gun in the back of the waste band, he shouldnāt asked the suspect to lift his shirt, like cops are supposed to do in that situation. There is zero excuse for cops to have less strict rules of engagement than our own soldiers do in freaking war zones. This officer DID NOT EVALUATE THE SITUATION PROPERLY. What cops are being trained now a days, is that they have a unequal right to self defense than you are I. They are being trained to use lethal force at the slightest sign of potential danger, without fully evaluating what that danger could be to the best of their ability, with a one size fits all policy of shoot when someone reaches. I want all officers to get home safe, but there is no reason that they should have a lower standard of self defense than you or I. Again if this situation was developing more quickly, and they did not have control, like they did in this situation, thatās a different story. But that wasnāt the story.
It was a story much like this one
Albuquerque PD under fire for deadly police shootings
Or like this one
You canāt ask someone for the liscence and registration, and not expect someone to reach for it. Reaching is not a strong enough indicator of danger. Nope, sorry.
do you want me to link how many times people have pulled guns on cops--like during traffic stops, or if the cop is just talking, etc?
Go for it...you shouldāve lead with that instead, you donāt need my permission. Can you actually conceive the amount of times we tell our soldiers return fire only, when thereās an attack very clearly being formed against them...we asked our soldiers to go out and do the impossible, and they did, even though it was borderline insane to do so. And you really think a āwhen in doubt shoot,āexcuse is permissible for those who are charged to protect and serve, when they are not in a literal war zone, not in one of the most dangerous countries on earth, and when their job is statistically safer than that of a garbage man?
Iām not even saying police should return fire only. Hell no, I want them to come home safe. All Iām saying is they should not assume and act on assumptions of threat. Prepare for threat yes, put themselves in advantagous positions absolutely, but identify threat (like we as citizens HAVE TO DO) before they take lethal self defensive measures...And police have been through hell in this country. For a long time now. And our instinct is to give them a pass because āshit, I couldnāt do that, theyāre heroās.ā We are taking away what actually makes them heroās. āWe find these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal.ā Thatās no longer true, we have tipped the scales in their favor. Their life IS more important than yours. There is actually something called the Law Enforcement Bill of Rights out there. Thatās right, look it up, they got their own positive rights that arenāt afforded to you or I. The deck is stacked in their favor in more ways than the lax standards of self defense we afford them. And this isnāt all the officers fault, heās just working with the loose leash that we as society gave him. It is time to reign in that leash where it belongs.
