Medical marijuana

[Agit8r]

"Procreation will be an annual formality like the renewal of a ration card. We shall abolish the orgasm. Our neurologists are at work upon it now."

I'm guessing that's a quote from someone? If so, I don't know the referenced material.

I see peocreation as an optionsl concept, personally. One I have zero interest in participating in. Therefore I have little need for sex in my life.

As for orgasms..... they're really a waste, for both genders.

It's from Nineteen Eighty-Four by George Orwell

 

[ChrisL]

Why not use the same processes and regulations to have MJ approved for medical use as other drugs?

It could certainly be classified as an herbal supplement, because that's exactly what it is.

A supplement? I don't know about all that. Lol.

 

[ChrisL]

"Procreation will be an annual formality like the renewal of a ration card. We shall abolish the orgasm. Our neurologists are at work upon it now."

I'm guessing that's a quote from someone? If so, I don't know the referenced material.

I see peocreation as an optionsl concept, personally. One I have zero interest in participating in. Therefore I have little need for sex in my life.

As for orgasms..... they're really a waste, for both genders.

Ba-ha-ha.

 

[Agit8r]

D'ya know what's even better that an orgasm?



An orgasm on weed!

 

[Anathema]

It's from Nineteen Eighty-Four by George Orwell

Okay. That makes sense. Guess it's been longer since I read that than I thought.

 

[Anathema]

Ba-ha-ha.

Oh, and what do you find so humorous, missy?

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

A question to pot smokers: how has marijuana improved your life?

How has Tequila improved your life..........

 

[Metal-Tiger]

I see peocreation as an optionsl concept, personally. One I have zero interest in participating in. Therefore I have little need for sex in my life.

As for orgasms..... they're really a waste, for both genders.

 

[Anathema]

Fun isn't the point if life. Propriety is.

 

[Metal-Tiger]

Fun isn't the point if life. Propriety is.

Well , I am planning on having a fun day , thankful that you are not in any way able to diminish my happiness ;/)

 

[Anathema]

Well , I am planning on having a fun day , thankful that you are not in any way able to diminish my happiness ;/)

I'm not here to diminish your happiness. Im just here to make sure you can't say. ..... "I didn't know any better" when you stand before our Maker at the end of your life.

 

[Metal-Tiger]

I'm not here to diminish your happiness. Im just here to make sure you can't say. ..... "I didn't know any better" when you stand before our Maker at the end of your life.

Leave me alone . . . misguided moral crusader ;/)

 

[Anathema]

Leave me alone . . . misguided moral crusader ;/)

Actually I believe you initiated the conversation, but as you wish..

 

[Pogo]

Fun isn't the point if life. Propriety is.

Wrongest post EVER.

 

[Pogo]

My concern is that the majority of posters in this thread don't seem to know the difference between medical marijuana and recreational marijuana, and it's that conflation of the two, combined with the hysterical fear of Reefer Madness that has complicated the legalization process.

I don't need to know the difference. All I need to know is that the main chemical in that crap (THC) has mind altering effects and therefore has no place in the hands of citizens.

When do you start demanding the banning of other mind-altering things...like coffee, chocolate, and good sex?

Sorry Jarlaxle

1. I don't see the same arguments made than any of these
change the actual DNA of the person using these. I've seen friends
have chronic issues with near paranoid rejection because they
altered their brain chemistry and personality. You can argue they
already had such a personality, but the more they relied on pot,
they denied and suppressed they had any such problem.

2. Nobody is SMOKING coffee, chocolate, or good sex.
Part of the damage is caused just by the fact the pot
is being SMOKED

3. What I find most disturbing is the people pushing pot
for medicinal purposes, don't care equally to research
spiritual healing methods that are even MORE natural,
FREE, and can cure more ills by addressing the root cause
unlike marijuana which only temporary relieves symptoms.

This alone shows the motive is more selfish about wanting
to smoke pot or to use this as a political statement about authority.

If the issue were truly to provide natural remedy and comfort to more
people, then as many would push for spiritual healing to be researched
and not just pushing marijuana by piggybacking on medical arguments.

Spiritual healing is used to cure addiction itself, and could potentially
end the reliance on alcohol, pot or other drugs to feed such an addiction.

So if pot users avoid spiritual healing, maybe they want to stay addicted?

Cannabis is not addictive. We've known that for thousands of years.

Dear Pogo:
I hate to say this but you are making Carly Fiorina look good.
At least she is honest in saying pot is not like beer,
instead of pretending it's not addictive.

Now of course critics will argue alcohol is more dangerous than pot,
but at least even the criticism below of Fiorina's statement (that her daughter's death wasn't from pot but addiction
to alcohol and other drugs) admits that pot is "FAR LESS addictive."

So even the critics of Fiorina won't say it isn't addictive at all, if they want to be credible and taken seriously:

Aspiring presidential candidate Carly Fiorina is catching flak this week for false statements about the relative safety of marijuana, as well as conflating cannabis legalization with the death of her daughter from alcohol and prescription pills.
During the presidential debates last week, Fiorina responded to a question about cannabis legalization by saying that:

“My husband Frank and I buried a child to drug addiction. We must invest more in the treatment of drugs. … We are misleading young people when we tell them that marijuana is just like having a beer. It’s not. And the marijuana they’re smoking today is not the same marijuana that Jeb Bush smoked 40 years ago. We need to tell young people the truth. Drug addiction is an epidemic and it is taking too many of our young people. I know this sadly from personal experience.”​

​

Fiorina’s daughter died at age 35 from alcohol and prescription drug abuse, not marijuana, Fiorina wrote in her auto-biography.
Cannabis is also 110 times less toxic than alcohol. About 88,000 Americans will die this year from alcohol’s health effects. Cannabis has no lethal overdose, Vox notes.
The charge that marijuana is stronger now also rings hollow. Increased potency means users smoke far less of the plant to get the same effects. Cannabis smoking is also not associated with lung cancer.
Cannabis is also far less addictive than legal drugs alcohol, tobacco, or caffeine, let alone the opioids which are driving the nation’s addiction epidemic, theWashington Post reports.
Fiorina has also lied about the state of cannabis research, saying “we don’t understand what it does to your body.” FactCheck.org called that claim “inaccurate”.
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I happen to agree with Fiorina on this one, that it's better to err on the side of caution. I support decriminalization, but not legalization unless we could require spiritual healing or monitoring for abuse and addictions, and that's really too personal and not something that can be mandated. That's why this gets complicated, and I would even lobby for a different level of law (like health & safety) where abuses and addictions could be managed by a local ordinance that private communities can agree on so it's not govt imposing mandates from the top down.
Like the inhouse policies of a college, let each community voluntarily agree to a local ordinance, such as a rule not to sell to any addicted person, or enable use by an addicted person, but maybe requiring a health professional program to address the addiction and only allow use for addicted persons under supervision so it's not feeding the addiction and causing harm or damage.
Servers at bars are not supposed to serve people already in certain conditions, so maybe the same can be done here to make sure nobody is enabling a dangerous addiction or abuse. But since that is personal, and not really the business of govt, then this would have to be addressed locally.
One of the problems with passing the ACA mandates and putting govt in charge of more health care is this business of legalizing pot which is contentious and divisive as legalizing abortion -- people have deeply held beliefs and do not want to be forced by govt to pay for the consequences of the opposing beliefs.

Instead of becoming more independent of govt, thanks to the ACA mandates now the prolife people can refuse to pay for abortifacient drugs since the law would otherwise compel them to pay indirectly for that; and similarly people like me can argue we don't want to pay for health care for people who damage their brains refusing to admit they are addicted to abusing alcohol, marijuana, or other drugs.

I'd say it is better to remove govt from making one policy, and divide the health care plans and social security/marital benefits by party to fund these independently, so people can contribute to plans that allow whatever choice they support, of abortion, drugs, guns, marriage policies, etc.
And stay out of each other's business instead of making members of opposing parties pay for consequences they don't believe should be a choice.

Oh Emily please. Fer Chrissake learn some discipline in your writing. You start here seemingly about to try to make the case that cannabis is somehow "addictive" (which it definitely is not), but then immediately go rambling off to various other tangents about Carly Fioriuna, decriminalization and who knows what else, NONE of which address the original point.

What exactly IS the point here? I'm sorry but this post is like a taxi driver taking a fare from downtown Manhattan to uptown by way of Ogden Utah.

 

[ashleyramirez]

Hi. can I get some health ?

 

[Anathema]

Wrongest post EVER.

On that we will have to fundamentally disagree. I can't say I'm aware of any major diety in any pantheon whose theology rewards Fun over Proper Behavior.

 

[Metal-Tiger]

Wrongest post EVER.

(grin) and you have a right to such an opinion / At least you didn't get all religious about it , criticize my moral condition or indicate that you wish for our government to enforce a moral code . ;/)

 

[ChrisL]

I don't need to know the difference. All I need to know is that the main chemical in that crap (THC) has mind altering effects and therefore has no place in the hands of citizens.

When do you start demanding the banning of other mind-altering things...like coffee, chocolate, and good sex?

Sorry Jarlaxle

1. I don't see the same arguments made than any of these
change the actual DNA of the person using these. I've seen friends
have chronic issues with near paranoid rejection because they
altered their brain chemistry and personality. You can argue they
already had such a personality, but the more they relied on pot,
they denied and suppressed they had any such problem.

2. Nobody is SMOKING coffee, chocolate, or good sex.
Part of the damage is caused just by the fact the pot
is being SMOKED

3. What I find most disturbing is the people pushing pot
for medicinal purposes, don't care equally to research
spiritual healing methods that are even MORE natural,
FREE, and can cure more ills by addressing the root cause
unlike marijuana which only temporary relieves symptoms.

This alone shows the motive is more selfish about wanting
to smoke pot or to use this as a political statement about authority.

If the issue were truly to provide natural remedy and comfort to more
people, then as many would push for spiritual healing to be researched
and not just pushing marijuana by piggybacking on medical arguments.

Spiritual healing is used to cure addiction itself, and could potentially
end the reliance on alcohol, pot or other drugs to feed such an addiction.

So if pot users avoid spiritual healing, maybe they want to stay addicted?

Cannabis is not addictive. We've known that for thousands of years.

Dear Pogo:
I hate to say this but you are making Carly Fiorina look good.
At least she is honest in saying pot is not like beer,
instead of pretending it's not addictive.

Now of course critics will argue alcohol is more dangerous than pot,
but at least even the criticism below of Fiorina's statement (that her daughter's death wasn't from pot but addiction
to alcohol and other drugs) admits that pot is "FAR LESS addictive."

So even the critics of Fiorina won't say it isn't addictive at all, if they want to be credible and taken seriously:

Aspiring presidential candidate Carly Fiorina is catching flak this week for false statements about the relative safety of marijuana, as well as conflating cannabis legalization with the death of her daughter from alcohol and prescription pills.
During the presidential debates last week, Fiorina responded to a question about cannabis legalization by saying that:

“My husband Frank and I buried a child to drug addiction. We must invest more in the treatment of drugs. … We are misleading young people when we tell them that marijuana is just like having a beer. It’s not. And the marijuana they’re smoking today is not the same marijuana that Jeb Bush smoked 40 years ago. We need to tell young people the truth. Drug addiction is an epidemic and it is taking too many of our young people. I know this sadly from personal experience.”​

​

Fiorina’s daughter died at age 35 from alcohol and prescription drug abuse, not marijuana, Fiorina wrote in her auto-biography.
Cannabis is also 110 times less toxic than alcohol. About 88,000 Americans will die this year from alcohol’s health effects. Cannabis has no lethal overdose, Vox notes.
The charge that marijuana is stronger now also rings hollow. Increased potency means users smoke far less of the plant to get the same effects. Cannabis smoking is also not associated with lung cancer.
Cannabis is also far less addictive than legal drugs alcohol, tobacco, or caffeine, let alone the opioids which are driving the nation’s addiction epidemic, theWashington Post reports.
Fiorina has also lied about the state of cannabis research, saying “we don’t understand what it does to your body.” FactCheck.org called that claim “inaccurate”.
=============
I happen to agree with Fiorina on this one, that it's better to err on the side of caution. I support decriminalization, but not legalization unless we could require spiritual healing or monitoring for abuse and addictions, and that's really too personal and not something that can be mandated. That's why this gets complicated, and I would even lobby for a different level of law (like health & safety) where abuses and addictions could be managed by a local ordinance that private communities can agree on so it's not govt imposing mandates from the top down.
Like the inhouse policies of a college, let each community voluntarily agree to a local ordinance, such as a rule not to sell to any addicted person, or enable use by an addicted person, but maybe requiring a health professional program to address the addiction and only allow use for addicted persons under supervision so it's not feeding the addiction and causing harm or damage.
Servers at bars are not supposed to serve people already in certain conditions, so maybe the same can be done here to make sure nobody is enabling a dangerous addiction or abuse. But since that is personal, and not really the business of govt, then this would have to be addressed locally.
One of the problems with passing the ACA mandates and putting govt in charge of more health care is this business of legalizing pot which is contentious and divisive as legalizing abortion -- people have deeply held beliefs and do not want to be forced by govt to pay for the consequences of the opposing beliefs.

Instead of becoming more independent of govt, thanks to the ACA mandates now the prolife people can refuse to pay for abortifacient drugs since the law would otherwise compel them to pay indirectly for that; and similarly people like me can argue we don't want to pay for health care for people who damage their brains refusing to admit they are addicted to abusing alcohol, marijuana, or other drugs.

I'd say it is better to remove govt from making one policy, and divide the health care plans and social security/marital benefits by party to fund these independently, so people can contribute to plans that allow whatever choice they support, of abortion, drugs, guns, marriage policies, etc.
And stay out of each other's business instead of making members of opposing parties pay for consequences they don't believe should be a choice.

Oh Emily please. Fer Chrissake learn some discipline in your writing. You start here seemingly about to try to make the case that cannabis is somehow "addictive" (which it definitely is not), but then immediately go rambling off to various other tangents about Carly Fioriuna, decriminalization and who knows what else, NONE of which address the original point.

What exactly IS the point here? I'm sorry but this post is like a taxi driver taking a fare from downtown Manhattan to uptown by way of Ogden Utah.

Hey! She's Emily! That is just how she rolls, you know? Luvs ya, Emily!

 

[ChrisL]

Wrongest post EVER.

(grin) and you have a right to such an opinion / At least you didn't get all religious about it , criticize my moral condition or indicate that you wish for our government to enforce a moral code . ;/)

He was talking to that Anathema.