Media coverage of Trump's McCain war-service Neutron Bomb

[Auld Phart]

.. wasn't it LBJ? then Nixon pulled out? Something doesn't add up..
If it was LBJ, then "The Great Society" was a right wing program??? LBJ is a right winger… I learn something new every day. Thanks.. Come on Job, are you still sitting around in the whale's belly unaware of what's going on in the outside world?

Again- are you SOME KIND OF FUCKING RETARD.

Yeah, Nixon had a plan to get us out of Vietnam that was so secret even he didn't know what it was.

More men died in Vietnam on Nixon's watch than LBJ's.

LBJ got us into Vietnam because he didn't want a second set of McCarthy's to scream, "Who Lost Vietnam?" the way they had screamed "Who Lost China".

Wrong,

21,000+ died under Nixon.

35000+ under Johnson

 

[Derideo_Te]

Uncorroborated testimony is hearsay.

Summon them… the names are there.

There are no names of witnesses, only alleged victims.

"alleged"

So, you're calling those vets, including the MoH recipient, liars as well?

Your ignorance is palpable.

Try actually contributing to the OP topic or is that beyond your meager cognitive skills?

 

[Auld Phart]

"But the spitting stories are lies, repeated..."

by vets, who WERE there.

Are you saying vets are incapable of exaggerating, misremembering and making things up?

There were vets who insisted up and down they were there that time some officer took Viet Cong prisoners and threw them out of a helicopter. In fact, you'd think it was "Raining Men" the way they claimed this happened.

All exagerated from a single incident where a helicopter dropped a dead body into a firebase.

If you accept that anything a Vietnam Vet must be true, then all the reports that John Kerry testified to in front of Congress must have really happened.

More and more deflection.

 

[defcon4]

None of those accounts are CONTEMPORARY accounts.

The history of the Roman Empire is not contemporary account therefore it never happened. We know about it by hearsaying and there are no corroborating witnesses nor video footages. Tacitus pulled the story out of his rear end. But wait, there was Josephus also writing something… well, since we have no corroborating witnesses let's dismiss the whole thing.
Can you see now what you are saying?

BZZZT Wrong!

We have hard physical evidence to support those accounts. Actual roads and buildings made by the Romans. We have their weapons and statues and urns and mosiacs and arenas. We have an entire city frozen in time with bodies where they fell.

All of that is corroborating evidence.

Evidence of what? Evidence of a civilization but there are no corroborating witnesses to the events taking place. Was Julius Caesar assassinated? Did he actually say: "Et tu Brutus?"

 

[Auld Phart]

Uncorroborated testimony is hearsay.

Summon them… the names are there.

There are no names of witnesses, only alleged victims.

"alleged"

So, you're calling those vets, including the MoH recipient, liars as well?

Your ignorance is palpable.

Try actually contributing to the OP topic or is that beyond your meager cognitive skills?

You're as funny as joe.

Do you collaborate on talking points?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

.. wasn't it LBJ? then Nixon pulled out? Something doesn't add up..
If it was LBJ, then "The Great Society" was a right wing program??? LBJ is a right winger… I learn something new every day. Thanks.. Come on Job, are you still sitting around in the whale's belly unaware of what's going on in the outside world?

Again- are you SOME KIND OF FUCKING RETARD.

Yeah, Nixon had a plan to get us out of Vietnam that was so secret even he didn't know what it was.

More men died in Vietnam on Nixon's watch than LBJ's.

LBJ got us into Vietnam because he didn't want a second set of McCarthy's to scream, "Who Lost Vietnam?" the way they had screamed "Who Lost China".

We didn't Lose China, Democrat Communist spies gave China to Mao

 

[Derideo_Te]

Uncorroborated testimony is hearsay.

Summon them… the names are there.

There are no names of witnesses, only alleged victims.

When a victim testifies is it not bearing witness of the incident?

Yes, but without corroborating evidence it is just hearsay.

 

[JoeB131]

The history of the Roman Empire is not contemporary account therefore it never happened. We know about it by hearsaying and there are no corroborating witnesses nor video footages. Tacitus pulled the story out of his rear end. But wait, there was Josephus also writing something… well, since we have no corroborating witnesses let's dismiss the whole thing.
Can you see now what you are saying?

1 ) We do have contemporaneous accounts.
2) We know a lot of things in histories written are slanted, particularly Tacitus and Suetonius.
3) We also know there were a lot ret-conning of these histories, like later Christian Scribes inserting Jesus into the stories.
4) Despite that, we have a lot of corroborating evidence of the roman empire- Ruins, coins, tombs, etc.

 

[JoeB131]

We didn't Lose China, Democrat Communist spies gave China to Mao

Okay. If you say so. Maybe you need to stop reading those John Birch magazines in Granny's basement.

 

[JoeB131]

When a victim testifies is it not bearing witness of the incident?

Sure, if he testifies in real time and provides corroborating facts and isn't remembering First Blood as his life.

 

[BlueGin]

Uncorroborated testimony is hearsay.

Summon them… the names are there.

There are no names of witnesses, only alleged victims.

When a victim testifies is it not bearing witness of the incident?

shhhh ...Joe, Derideo and RightWinger didn't witness it... So it can't be true.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

We didn't Lose China, Democrat Communist spies gave China to Mao

Okay. If you say so. Maybe you need to stop reading those John Birch magazines in Granny's basement.

Apologize for spitting on our solders, scumbag

 

[JoeB131]

Apologize for spitting on our solders, scumbag

get bent, Cleetus... no one takes you seriously.

 

[Derideo_Te]

None of those accounts are CONTEMPORARY accounts.

The history of the Roman Empire is not contemporary account therefore it never happened. We know about it by hearsaying and there are no corroborating witnesses nor video footages. Tacitus pulled the story out of his rear end. But wait, there was Josephus also writing something… well, since we have no corroborating witnesses let's dismiss the whole thing.
Can you see now what you are saying?

BZZZT Wrong!

We have hard physical evidence to support those accounts. Actual roads and buildings made by the Romans. We have their weapons and statues and urns and mosiacs and arenas. We have an entire city frozen in time with bodies where they fell.

All of that is corroborating evidence.

Evidence of what? Evidence of a civilization but there are no corroborating witnesses to the events taking place. Was Julius Caesar assassinated? Did he actually say: "Et tu Brutus?"

Archaeologists say they have found the murder scene of Julius Caesar - and it s now a bus stop Daily Mail Online

Read and learn!

 

[defcon4]

As a 17-year-old high school senior in 1988, she had arranged an interview with Greene for a school project. Her parents had driven her downtown and waited while she completed her assignment. A few months later, after she had graduated from high school, Greene and she saw each other several times over dinner and at least once they went to a hotel, where they had a sexual liaison.

Graduated from high school. Is it safe to assume that she was 18 yo? So Greene lied in his book to lay the 18 yo? Is that what you are saying? Your attempt to "discredit" the author with that sexual escapade thing has nothing to do with his credibility as an author of a well researched book. His career was over because he told the truth.

Yup, he's calling a Medal of Honor recipient a liar, and taking the word of a man he doesn't know, because he wrote a book claiming it didn't happen.

No, i'm callling him a liar because everyone who has researched this claim has not produced ONE CONTEMPORARY ACCOUNT of returning soldiers being spat upon.

Not one.

Now you think this would have made news if it happened. Right next to "Hippies still in critical condition after spitting on battle-hardened Marine Vet".

Spitting is one of a thugs favorite sport. You should see all of the ER visits for Hep C and HIV screenings the hospitals get due to employees, hospital workers, correction officers, police etc... Getting spit on.

Yet we are supposed to believe not one anti war loon spit on anyone during the 60's and 70's

. Riiiight.

Especially when Medal of Honor recipients are on video saying they were.

Try again.

Why wouldn't a Medal of Honor recipient put the Hippie in the hospital after being spat on?

Why were all Vietnam vets so meek?

The issue was addressed in previous postings. If your attention span doesn't extend that far, whose fault is that?

It was not addressed. It makes no sense that the hundreds of vets who claimed they were spat on NEVER retaliated

#125 & #131

 

[defcon4]

None of those accounts are CONTEMPORARY accounts.

The history of the Roman Empire is not contemporary account therefore it never happened. We know about it by hearsaying and there are no corroborating witnesses nor video footages. Tacitus pulled the story out of his rear end. But wait, there was Josephus also writing something… well, since we have no corroborating witnesses let's dismiss the whole thing.
Can you see now what you are saying?

BZZZT Wrong!

We have hard physical evidence to support those accounts. Actual roads and buildings made by the Romans. We have their weapons and statues and urns and mosiacs and arenas. We have an entire city frozen in time with bodies where they fell.

All of that is corroborating evidence.

Evidence of what? Evidence of a civilization but there are no corroborating witnesses to the events taking place. Was Julius Caesar assassinated? Did he actually say: "Et tu Brutus?"

Archaeologists say they have found the murder scene of Julius Caesar - and it s now a bus stop Daily Mail Online

Read and learn!

Did he say something when he was murdered? Or was he murdered at all? Heart attack, tripping and falling broke his neck? Oh.. they found the remnants of the senate… assumably the senate

 

[JoeB131]

Did he say something when he was murdered? Or was he murdered at all? Heart attack, tripping and falling broke his neck? Oh.. they found the remnants of the senate… assumably the senate

If you want to go that route... there are a lot of things in the Julius Ceasar Story that ARE myths.

For instance, the claim that he said, "Et tu, Brute?"

Et tu Brute - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

The phrase Et tu, Brute? maintains its familiarity from William Shakespeare's play Julius Caesar (1599), where it actually forms the first half of a macaronic line: "Et tu, Brute? Then fall, Caesar!"[4] Shakespeare in turn was making use of a phrase already in common use in his time: it appears for example, in Richard Eedes's Latin play Caesar Interfectus of 1582 and The True Tragedie of Richarde Duke of Yorke &c of 1595, the earliest printed version of Henry VI, Part 3.[5]

The phrase follows in the tradition of the Roman historian Suetonius, who reports that others have claimed Caesar's last words were the Greek phrase "καὶ σὺ, τέκνον;", transliterated as "Kai sy, teknon?".[6] The phrase means "You too, child?" or "You too, young man?" but has commonly been interpreted as meaning "You too, my child?" (Tu quoque, mi fili in Latin) and taken as an indication that Brutus was Caesar's illegitimate son.

There is no reliable evidence that Caesar ever spoke the words. Suetonius himself claims Caesar said nothing as he died, and that others only reported that Caesar said that phrase after recognizing Brutus.[7][8][9] Plutarch also reports that Caesar said nothing and merely pulled his toga over his head when he saw Brutus among the conspirators.[10]

Of course, these kinds of legends, just like the spitting legend, had a political purpose -- to villify the Assassins of Caesar. Not a small thing, as Brutus descended from that supposed Brutus who had established the ROman Republic, thereby slandering him as a "bastard child of Caesar or an ungrateful person would have been in the best interest of Caesar's heirs.

Now, getting back to the Soldier Spitting. No contemporary accounts of it in the 1970's, when it supposedly happened, but a lot of apocryphal tales of it in the 1980s. What changed?

Well, first, there was a lot of remorse from the fact that when these guys returned from Vietnam, they didn't get the kinds of welcoming parades WWII soldiers got. (most WWII vet didn't get a parade, either, but never mind.)

But you couldn't put "I didn't get a good paying job when I got back because the economy turned to shit and too many people had seen awful movies like Black Sunday that made them think Nam Vets were ticking time bombs." on a bumper sticker.

"Some Hippy Spit on me!" worked well. Jane Fonda started wondering why she didn't get any good roles after 1980. We were a country willing to buy anything to expunge our guilt over not treating these veterans right after they fought in an unpopular war.

Maybe we'll get it right this time.

 

[rightwinger]

As a 17-year-old high school senior in 1988, she had arranged an interview with Greene for a school project. Her parents had driven her downtown and waited while she completed her assignment. A few months later, after she had graduated from high school, Greene and she saw each other several times over dinner and at least once they went to a hotel, where they had a sexual liaison.

Graduated from high school. Is it safe to assume that she was 18 yo? So Greene lied in his book to lay the 18 yo? Is that what you are saying? Your attempt to "discredit" the author with that sexual escapade thing has nothing to do with his credibility as an author of a well researched book. His career was over because he told the truth.

No, i'm callling him a liar because everyone who has researched this claim has not produced ONE CONTEMPORARY ACCOUNT of returning soldiers being spat upon.

Not one.

Now you think this would have made news if it happened. Right next to "Hippies still in critical condition after spitting on battle-hardened Marine Vet".

Spitting is one of a thugs favorite sport. You should see all of the ER visits for Hep C and HIV screenings the hospitals get due to employees, hospital workers, correction officers, police etc... Getting spit on.

Yet we are supposed to believe not one anti war loon spit on anyone during the 60's and 70's

. Riiiight.

Especially when Medal of Honor recipients are on video saying they were.

Try again.

Why wouldn't a Medal of Honor recipient put the Hippie in the hospital after being spat on?

Why were all Vietnam vets so meek?

The issue was addressed in previous postings. If your attention span doesn't extend that far, whose fault is that?

It was not addressed. It makes no sense that the hundreds of vets who claimed they were spat on NEVER retaliated

#125 & #131

They all sound suspiciously the same....a shared memory

I was walking through the airport and some Hippie called me a baby killer and spat right on me. I, of course, just let it go

Where was the outrage at the time? Nobody reported it. Not the soldiers, not their families, not the VFW, not any witness was outraged enough to report it

Yet, ten years later, after Rambo came out......they all had the same collective memory

 

[JoeB131]

Yet, ten years later, after Rambo came out......they all had the same collective memory

That they could understand a work Stallone was saying is the amazing part.

 

[SwimExpert]

It's already old news, time to move on

Of course, you realize that liberals' idea of "moving on" is to complain about Bush, right?