Meanwhile, Republicans hard at work trying to steal the election

[flacaltenn]

,.l

How much time are you willing to give them to count the ballots? A week? Two Weeks? A month?
Past elections have been counted quickly, now that Trump is in office, the democrats are trying to cause
chaos IMO to muck up the election.
They have done nothing overall for this country other than try and bring down a duly elected president.

They counted for weeks in 2000. Never had as many mail in ballots as are expected this year. Have heard not many states have had to deal with massive mail in voting. It will take longer, but I have no idea how long it takes to count possibly millions of mail in paper ballots. Do you?

To combat this Leftist ploy, I do hope Republican states have mailed out millions of ballots in rural areas etc.
The Right must learn to play dirty like the left.

They already have. States, like Utah, with large rural areas, have done mail in voting for decades. They are pretty Republican...in case you didn’t notice.

That's absentee voting where you ask for the ballot, not sending out millions of unsolicited ballots to anyone and everyone.

Could you at least try to bring an intellectually honest argument to the table?

I don’t think you are capable of understanding what an “intellectually honest argument” is, based on the above.

Voting by mail has a long history of reliability in the United States, serving as the primary method of voting in Colorado, Oregon, Utah, Washington and Hawaii, which automatically send registered voters mail-in ballots.

You're off in the woods.. NOBODY has a beef with ABSENTEE MAIL IN... Do you not understand the IMPORTANT DIFFS about people "requesting a ballot for cause" and just mailing out ballots to EVERYONE (dead or alive) (living at the residence or not) (planning on voting at the polls or not) ?????

Quit googling and follow along.. The RECENT history of "MASS MAILING" voting has 5 or 7 horror stories behind it JUST FROM THIS YEAR... See the arrested guys in NJ or the election in NYC that was so screwed up it was never certified. Or just TODAY the racks of postal boxes found in a ditch carrying "Mass Mail-IN" ballots..

 

[JakeStarkey]

FlaCalTenn is right on the time as appointed by the Senate per the Constitution.

What happens if several states have not certified their ballots by that date because counting is not done?

Will they simply stop counting when they get the answer they want and send them in?

 

[White 6]

How much time are you willing to give them to count the ballots? A week? Two Weeks? A month?
Past elections have been counted quickly, now that Trump is in office, the democrats are trying to cause
chaos IMO to muck up the election.
They have done nothing overall for this country other than try and bring down a duly elected president.

They counted for weeks in 2000. Never had as many mail in ballots as are expected this year. Have heard not many states have had to deal with massive mail in voting. It will take longer, but I have no idea how long it takes to count possibly millions of mail in paper ballots. Do you?

To combat this Leftist ploy, I do hope Republican states have mailed out millions of ballots in rural areas etc.
The Right must learn to play dirty like the left.

They already have. States, like Utah, with large rural areas, have done mail in voting for decades. They are pretty Republican...in case you didn’t notice.

That's absentee voting where you ask for the ballot, not sending out millions of unsolicited ballots to anyone and everyone.

Could you at least try to bring an intellectually honest argument to the table?

I read where N. Carolina had over a million requested, that had been sent out. Have heard Washington, Oregon, Colorado and Utah have a lot of experience with it. Which states are sending them out wholesale, unrequested? I have heard it said, but have not idea which states they are or if it is even true.

 

[Coyote]

How much time are you willing to give them to count the ballots? A week? Two Weeks? A month?
Past elections have been counted quickly, now that Trump is in office, the democrats are trying to cause
chaos IMO to muck up the election.
They have done nothing overall for this country other than try and bring down a duly elected president.

Why SHORTEN it?

The problems aren’t because Trump is in office but because Covid has messed everything up.

So why shorten it?

Covid is the excuse, it's a political weapon being used. I can go to Costco, I can go to a bar.
I can go to the DMV, but I can't go vote in person????????
The problem IS that Trump is in office.

How long should we give them to figure it out with the count?
If the democrats have their way, it will be after Jan 16, 2021.
That date will usher in the real chaos.

So...again, why propose legislation to SHORTEN it?

Coyote, I can't even get an answer from you. I've asked twice.

Because your questions deflect from what this bill proposes Meister, which is to shorten the time period already in existence. Shorten it AT BOTH ENDS.

I will answer your questions, but they don’t address the issue.

Covid is not an excuse or political weapon, it is a reality, and each state deals with it differently and has different concerns for the safety of its citizens and ensuring a fair election.


Q: how long should we give them?
A: as long as reasonably needed, which would includes starting prior to the date specified in the bill and more than “within 24 hours”.

You see there it is, Coyote, Covid IS being used as a weapon. People are not locked up in their homes, Life is pretty much normal.
Social distance and keeping the paws disinfected works great. Nan can go to her hairdresser, people everyday are out and about
taking care of their everyday life. But, voting?????? Oh no, can't do that.
Your answer of the length of time is vague, at best, and could go on for months. It's a non answer.
I will give you my answer for Scott's request. I don't think there should be a 48 hour limit. I answered your question straight
on and not willy nilly. There has to be a cut off...even in this year.
By the way, have they stated how they are going to verify the signatures of millions of ballots?

It's a political game being played because of Trump

I think how daily life is affected by Covid depends very much on where you are.

People can go and vote at the polls of course. But many people will be afraid to, and for good reason.

But consider some of the logistics involve in maintaining a safe and secure place to vote in a dense urban area for example.

Social distancing (long long lines)
Time needed between voters or at intervals to sanitize.
Room occupancy limits (my polling place is a small church, with the entryway set up with the tables, pollworkers and forms and then about 4 voting booths in another small room beyond).

How many people would you get through before the polls closed? There are many areas that have long lines even in normal times.

As to how long, we’ll, start early and let’s say two weeks max. No one WANTS to delay knowing the results.

As to how to verify signatures? Same way they do now..when I sign for my ballot, my signature is compared to the one in their log book.

 

[flacaltenn]

FlaCalTenn is right on the time as appointed by the Senate per the Constitution.

What happens if several states have not certified their ballots by that date because counting is not done?

Will they simply stop counting when they get the answer they want and send them in?

Worse.. About 30 court cases try to get injunctions against the deadline and hold up the certification in at LEAST a dozen states where this untested shart is being done.. THis is what they want to happen..
Wont be an "election night" anymore.. Not even an election week.. Tulsi Gabbart is on this, but wont get her bill past Pelosi.. NO STATE should be able to mandate MASSIVE election procedure changes without consulting with Feds or APPROVED by legislation..

Registrars KNOW they don't have the resources to read and certify half their ballots in envelopes.. Cali had over 1,5 PROVISIONAL ballots cast at their polls in 2016.. It's an ADMISSION that their registration and voting procedures are broken to get that high... I watched them trying to CLEAR that mountain of provisionals and by the certification date for the NATIONAL election -- there were STILL something like 600,000 outstanding.. They got shit canned.. Because Cali is run by a orphanage for the mentally handicapped..

 

[Coyote]

The feds cannot tell the states how to do the counting and certifying.

They can tell them WHEN to certify by and what date to start counting.. They can also put whatever FEDERAL STANDARDS on voting that they want when the ballot is national.. Did you not know this??

They've also LEGISLATED what KINDS of voting machines are ACCEPTABLE and various other mechanics of voting.. See the HAVA ACT that followed the "chad" debacle in 2000..

Unlike the Dems who MASSIVELY roll out an untested and UNSUPPORTED brain fart about mass mailing the ENTIRE fucked up registrar list and have no CHECKS on "chain of evidence" in their clueless evil plan...;

There are (non Democrat) states that currently, and for a long time have been doing just that. What a clueless evil plan...

 

[Tresha91203]

,.l

How much time are you willing to give them to count the ballots? A week? Two Weeks? A month?
Past elections have been counted quickly, now that Trump is in office, the democrats are trying to cause
chaos IMO to muck up the election.
They have done nothing overall for this country other than try and bring down a duly elected president.

They counted for weeks in 2000. Never had as many mail in ballots as are expected this year. Have heard not many states have had to deal with massive mail in voting. It will take longer, but I have no idea how long it takes to count possibly millions of mail in paper ballots. Do you?

To combat this Leftist ploy, I do hope Republican states have mailed out millions of ballots in rural areas etc.
The Right must learn to play dirty like the left.

They already have. States, like Utah, with large rural areas, have done mail in voting for decades. They are pretty Republican...in case you didn’t notice.

That's absentee voting where you ask for the ballot, not sending out millions of unsolicited ballots to anyone and everyone.

Could you at least try to bring an intellectually honest argument to the table?

I don’t think you are capable of understanding what an “intellectually honest argument” is, based on the above.

Voting by mail has a long history of reliability in the United States, serving as the primary method of voting in Colorado, Oregon, Utah, Washington and Hawaii, which automatically send registered voters mail-in ballots.

States that vote by mail spent years cleaning up their rolls before enacting mail in only voting. You cannot vote by mail in many states because the voter registration lists are bloated with dead people and people no longer living there. In some states, illegals are on the rolls.

 

[White 6]

How much time are you willing to give them to count the ballots? A week? Two Weeks? A month?
Past elections have been counted quickly, now that Trump is in office, the democrats are trying to cause
chaos IMO to muck up the election.
They have done nothing overall for this country other than try and bring down a duly elected president.

Why SHORTEN it?

The problems aren’t because Trump is in office but because Covid has messed everything up.

So why shorten it?

Covid is the excuse, it's a political weapon being used. I can go to Costco, I can go to a bar.
I can go to the DMV, but I can't go vote in person????????
The problem IS that Trump is in office.

How long should we give them to figure it out with the count?
If the democrats have their way, it will be after Jan 16, 2021.
That date will usher in the real chaos.

So...again, why propose legislation to SHORTEN it?

Coyote, I can't even get an answer from you. I've asked twice.

Because your questions deflect from what this bill proposes Meister, which is to shorten the time period already in existence. Shorten it AT BOTH ENDS.

I will answer your questions, but they don’t address the issue.

Covid is not an excuse or political weapon, it is a reality, and each state deals with it differently and has different concerns for the safety of its citizens and ensuring a fair election.


Q: how long should we give them?
A: as long as reasonably needed, which would includes starting prior to the date specified in the bill and more than “within 24 hours”.

You see there it is, Coyote, Covid IS being used as a weapon. People are not locked up in their homes, Life is pretty much normal.
Social distance and keeping the paws disinfected works great. Nan can go to her hairdresser, people everyday are out and about
taking care of their everyday life. But, voting?????? Oh no, can't do that.
Your answer of the length of time is vague, at best, and could go on for months. It's a non answer.
I will give you my answer for Scott's request. I don't think there should be a 48 hour limit. I answered your question straight
on and not willy nilly. There has to be a cut off...even in this year.
By the way, have they stated how they are going to verify the signatures of millions of ballots?

It's a political game being played because of Trump

I think how daily life is affected by Covid depends very much on where you are.

People can go and vote at the polls of course. But many people will be afraid to, and for good reason.

But consider some of the logistics involve in maintaining a safe and secure place to vote in a dense urban area for example.

Social distancing (long long lines)
Time needed between voters or at intervals to sanitize.
Room occupancy limits (my polling place is a small church, with the entryway set up with the tables, pollworkers and forms and then about 4 voting booths in another small room beyond).

How many people would you get through before the polls closed? There are many areas that have long lines even in normal times.

As to how long, we’ll, start early and let’s say two weeks max. No one WANTS to delay knowing the results.

As to how to verify signatures? Same way they do now..when I sign for my ballot, my signature is compared to the one in their log book.

Early in-person voting is the way to go. If you requested a mail in ballot, I would drop it off in person, instead of mailing it in.

 

[iceberg]

please be aware the narrative is about to change to IN PERSON.

They have found people are not smart enough to do mail in properly and they have a high % rejected.

or just votes thrown away. all for Trump.

 

[Redcurtain]

The feds cannot tell the states how to do the counting and certifying.

They can tell them WHEN to certify by and what date to start counting.. They can also put whatever FEDERAL STANDARDS on voting that they want when the ballot is national.. Did you not know this??

They've also LEGISLATED what KINDS of voting machines are ACCEPTABLE and various other mechanics of voting.. See the HAVA ACT that followed the "chad" debacle in 2000..

Unlike the Dems who MASSIVELY roll out an untested and UNSUPPORTED brain fart about mass mailing the ENTIRE fucked up registrar list and have no CHECKS on "chain of evidence" in their clueless evil plan...;

There are (non Democrat) states that currently, and for a long time have been doing just that. What a clueless evil plan...

They also clean their rolls, why not just show up and vote and end this

 

[iceberg]

The feds cannot tell the states how to do the counting and certifying.

They can tell them WHEN to certify by and what date to start counting.. They can also put whatever FEDERAL STANDARDS on voting that they want when the ballot is national.. Did you not know this??

They've also LEGISLATED what KINDS of voting machines are ACCEPTABLE and various other mechanics of voting.. See the HAVA ACT that followed the "chad" debacle in 2000..

Unlike the Dems who MASSIVELY roll out an untested and UNSUPPORTED brain fart about mass mailing the ENTIRE fucked up registrar list and have no CHECKS on "chain of evidence" in their clueless evil plan...;

There are (non Democrat) states that currently, and for a long time have been doing just that. What a clueless evil plan...

if Trump wanted to change how we vote at the last minute you'd hate the idea.

all I need to know.

 

[Redcurtain]

How much time are you willing to give them to count the ballots? A week? Two Weeks? A month?
Past elections have been counted quickly, now that Trump is in office, the democrats are trying to cause
chaos IMO to muck up the election.
They have done nothing overall for this country other than try and bring down a duly elected president.

Why SHORTEN it?

The problems aren’t because Trump is in office but because Covid has messed everything up.

So why shorten it?

Covid is the excuse, it's a political weapon being used. I can go to Costco, I can go to a bar.
I can go to the DMV, but I can't go vote in person????????
The problem IS that Trump is in office.

How long should we give them to figure it out with the count?
If the democrats have their way, it will be after Jan 16, 2021.
That date will usher in the real chaos.

So...again, why propose legislation to SHORTEN it?

Coyote, I can't even get an answer from you. I've asked twice.

Because your questions deflect from what this bill proposes Meister, which is to shorten the time period already in existence. Shorten it AT BOTH ENDS.

I will answer your questions, but they don’t address the issue.

Covid is not an excuse or political weapon, it is a reality, and each state deals with it differently and has different concerns for the safety of its citizens and ensuring a fair election.


Q: how long should we give them?
A: as long as reasonably needed, which would includes starting prior to the date specified in the bill and more than “within 24 hours”.

You see there it is, Coyote, Covid IS being used as a weapon. People are not locked up in their homes, Life is pretty much normal.
Social distance and keeping the paws disinfected works great. Nan can go to her hairdresser, people everyday are out and about
taking care of their everyday life. But, voting?????? Oh no, can't do that.
Your answer of the length of time is vague, at best, and could go on for months. It's a non answer.
I will give you my answer for Scott's request. I don't think there should be a 48 hour limit. I answered your question straight
on and not willy nilly. There has to be a cut off...even in this year.
By the way, have they stated how they are going to verify the signatures of millions of ballots?

It's a political game being played because of Trump

I think how daily life is affected by Covid depends very much on where you are.

People can go and vote at the polls of course. But many people will be afraid to, and for good reason.

But consider some of the logistics involve in maintaining a safe and secure place to vote in a dense urban area for example.

Social distancing (long long lines)
Time needed between voters or at intervals to sanitize.
Room occupancy limits (my polling place is a small church, with the entryway set up with the tables, pollworkers and forms and then about 4 voting booths in another small room beyond).

How many people would you get through before the polls closed? There are many areas that have long lines even in normal times.

As to how long, we’ll, start early and let’s say two weeks max. No one WANTS to delay knowing the results.

As to how to verify signatures? Same way they do now..when I sign for my ballot, my signature is compared to the one in their log book.

Early in-person voting is the way to go. If you requested a mail in ballot, I would drop it off in person, instead of mailing it in.

Why so republican ballots can be dumped?

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

They also clean their rolls, why not just show up and vote and end this

Because they KNOW most of their base is not motivated to vote this year. Biden?, please.
The ONLY way they can potentially get enough votes is to take away the effort of going to the polls.

They know they are screwed, so unless they find a way to steal the election, it's Trump for 4 more years.
But since it's possible we may get into a war with China in that 4 years, it could be Trump for 8 more years.

Can you imagine the panic and despair on the Left?

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Just saw on OANN that Democrats are rethinking mail-in voting. After they saw results of report that blacks are having four times more votes invalidated because of errors. Democrats are showing daily that they can screw up everything they touch.

And didn't we try to tell them ?

 

[White 6]

They also clean their rolls, why not just show up and vote and end this

Because they KNOW most of their base is not motivated to vote this year. Biden?, please.
The ONLY way they can potentially get enough votes is to take away the effort of going to the polls.

They know they are screwed, so unless they find a way to steal the election, it's Trump for 4 more years.
But since it's possible we may get into a war with China in that 4 years, it could be Trump for 8 more years.

Can you imagine the panic and despair on the Left?

That is utter horse $hit. Boy have you been drinking to trump kool-aide.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

How much time are you willing to give them to count the ballots? A week? Two Weeks? A month?
Past elections have been counted quickly, now that Trump is in office, the democrats are trying to cause
chaos IMO to muck up the election.
They have done nothing overall for this country other than try and bring down a duly elected president.

They counted for weeks in 2000. Never had as many mail in ballots as are expected this year. Have heard not many states have had to deal with massive mail in voting. It will take longer, but I have no idea how long it takes to count possibly millions of mail in paper ballots. Do you?

To combat this Leftist ploy, I do hope Republican states have mailed out millions of ballots in rural areas etc.
The Right must learn to play dirty like the left.

They already have. States, like Utah, with large rural areas, have done mail in voting for decades. They are pretty Republican...in case you didn’t notice.

That's absentee voting where you ask for the ballot, not sending out millions of unsolicited ballots to anyone and everyone.

Could you at least try to bring an intellectually honest argument to the table?

I read where N. Carolina had over a million requested, that had been sent out. Have heard Washington, Oregon, Colorado and Utah have a lot of experience with it. Which states are sending them out wholesale, unrequested? I have heard it said, but have not idea which states they are or if it is even true.

Yes, we have a lot of experience with it here in Oregon.







.........and our our governor and both senators turn out to be democrats, too.

 

[White 6]

How much time are you willing to give them to count the ballots? A week? Two Weeks? A month?
Past elections have been counted quickly, now that Trump is in office, the democrats are trying to cause
chaos IMO to muck up the election.
They have done nothing overall for this country other than try and bring down a duly elected president.

Why SHORTEN it?

The problems aren’t because Trump is in office but because Covid has messed everything up.

So why shorten it?

Covid is the excuse, it's a political weapon being used. I can go to Costco, I can go to a bar.
I can go to the DMV, but I can't go vote in person????????
The problem IS that Trump is in office.

How long should we give them to figure it out with the count?
If the democrats have their way, it will be after Jan 16, 2021.
That date will usher in the real chaos.

So...again, why propose legislation to SHORTEN it?

Coyote, I can't even get an answer from you. I've asked twice.

Because your questions deflect from what this bill proposes Meister, which is to shorten the time period already in existence. Shorten it AT BOTH ENDS.

I will answer your questions, but they don’t address the issue.

Covid is not an excuse or political weapon, it is a reality, and each state deals with it differently and has different concerns for the safety of its citizens and ensuring a fair election.


Q: how long should we give them?
A: as long as reasonably needed, which would includes starting prior to the date specified in the bill and more than “within 24 hours”.

You see there it is, Coyote, Covid IS being used as a weapon. People are not locked up in their homes, Life is pretty much normal.
Social distance and keeping the paws disinfected works great. Nan can go to her hairdresser, people everyday are out and about
taking care of their everyday life. But, voting?????? Oh no, can't do that.
Your answer of the length of time is vague, at best, and could go on for months. It's a non answer.
I will give you my answer for Scott's request. I don't think there should be a 48 hour limit. I answered your question straight
on and not willy nilly. There has to be a cut off...even in this year.
By the way, have they stated how they are going to verify the signatures of millions of ballots?

It's a political game being played because of Trump

I think how daily life is affected by Covid depends very much on where you are.

People can go and vote at the polls of course. But many people will be afraid to, and for good reason.

But consider some of the logistics involve in maintaining a safe and secure place to vote in a dense urban area for example.

Social distancing (long long lines)
Time needed between voters or at intervals to sanitize.
Room occupancy limits (my polling place is a small church, with the entryway set up with the tables, pollworkers and forms and then about 4 voting booths in another small room beyond).

How many people would you get through before the polls closed? There are many areas that have long lines even in normal times.

As to how long, we’ll, start early and let’s say two weeks max. No one WANTS to delay knowing the results.

As to how to verify signatures? Same way they do now..when I sign for my ballot, my signature is compared to the one in their log book.

Early in-person voting is the way to go. If you requested a mail in ballot, I would drop it off in person, instead of mailing it in.

Why so republican ballots can be dumped?

Let me get this straight. You do not trust mail in through the US Postal Service, nor dropping off your filled out ballot at the county seat or designated drop box location? You get the paranoid award of the night.

Guess that makes trump King Hell Dumbass, doesn't it? He has been mailing it in for years, just like many of the Republican White House staffers.

 

[Darkwind]

How much time are you willing to give them to count the ballots? A week? Two Weeks? A month?
Past elections have been counted quickly, now that Trump is in office, the democrats are trying to cause
chaos IMO to muck up the election.
They have done nothing overall for this country other than try and bring down a duly elected president.

They counted for weeks in 2000. Never had as many mail in ballots as are expected this year. Have heard not many states have had to deal with massive mail in voting. It will take longer, but I have no idea how long it takes to count possibly millions of mail in paper ballots. Do you?

As long as it goes your way, it's all good. Right?

 

[cnm]

Now this is funny. Counting votes apparently no longer decides elections for Republicans...

“People wonder about the peaceful transfer of power,” Mr. Graham said on Fox News on Thursday. “I can assure you, it will be peaceful.”​

“I promise you as a Republican, if the Supreme Court decides that Joe Biden wins, I will accept the result,” Mr. Graham added. “The court will decide, and if Republicans lose, we’ll accept the result.”​

Trump Again Sows Doubt About Election as G.O.P. Scrambles to Assure Voters​

 

[Coyote]

,.l

How much time are you willing to give them to count the ballots? A week? Two Weeks? A month?
Past elections have been counted quickly, now that Trump is in office, the democrats are trying to cause
chaos IMO to muck up the election.
They have done nothing overall for this country other than try and bring down a duly elected president.

They counted for weeks in 2000. Never had as many mail in ballots as are expected this year. Have heard not many states have had to deal with massive mail in voting. It will take longer, but I have no idea how long it takes to count possibly millions of mail in paper ballots. Do you?

To combat this Leftist ploy, I do hope Republican states have mailed out millions of ballots in rural areas etc.
The Right must learn to play dirty like the left.

They already have. States, like Utah, with large rural areas, have done mail in voting for decades. They are pretty Republican...in case you didn’t notice.

That's absentee voting where you ask for the ballot, not sending out millions of unsolicited ballots to anyone and everyone.

Could you at least try to bring an intellectually honest argument to the table?

I don’t think you are capable of understanding what an “intellectually honest argument” is, based on the above.

Voting by mail has a long history of reliability in the United States, serving as the primary method of voting in Colorado, Oregon, Utah, Washington and Hawaii, which automatically send registered voters mail-in ballots.

You're off in the woods.. NOBODY has a beef with ABSENTEE MAIL IN... Do you not understand the IMPORTANT DIFFS about people "requesting a ballot for cause" and just mailing out ballots to EVERYONE (dead or alive) (living at the residence or not) (planning on voting at the polls or not) ?????

This is a bit of a mish mash...if I’m in the woods I fear you are drowning in the swamp here.

1. No one is mailing ballots to “everyone”. They are being mailed to registered voters. This is EXACTLY what the states I mentioned above do. In fact, they conduct their elections ENTIRELY by mail. Here, check for yourself:

2024 Election Information – Utah Voter Information

Utah Voter Information

voteinfo.utah.gov

2. There is no appreciable difference between absentee and mail in ballots and no legal difference. Absentee ballots are done in states that do not have universal mail in voting, and the voter requests it. Both have very low rates of fraud.

Quit googling and follow along.. The RECENT history of "MASS MAILING" voting has 5 or 7 horror stories behind it JUST FROM THIS YEAR... See the arrested guys in NJ or the election in NYC that was so screwed up it was never certified. Or just TODAY the racks of postal boxes found in a ditch carrying "Mass Mail-IN" ballots..

I am not going to follow along simply because you demand it. All forms of electing have a certain potential for fraud or mistakes, including voting at tbe polls. Do you have any actual data showing a greater amount of fraud or screw ups in the states with universal mail in voting vs. those tHat do not have it?