Meaning To Or Not, Turkey Has Kissed EU Entry Goodbye

[Annie]

http://politiken.dk/VisArtikel.iasp?PageID=440106

It's in I believe Danish, but could be Turkish, is that a language? Anywho, seems that someone from Turkey is demanding a denunciation of the cartoons:

February 24, 2006
Turkey: Apologize now!
Filed under: jyllands-posten, translation, censorship, mohammed cartoons, muhammed cartoons, muhammad cartoons, anders fogh rasmussen, denmark, turkey, politiken

UPDATE: Turkey does the weaseldance - the quoted article below is no more accurate

Politiken, February 24, 2006

Turkey Demands Danish Apology

Turkey demands official Danish apology for the Muhammed cartoons. Jens Rohde, the political spokesman for the ruling Liberal Party thinks the demand hurts Turkey’s chances of EU membership.

The Danish government must distance itself from the Muhammed cartoons published in Jyllands-Posten and make an apology.

Otherwise, no bridge-building with the Islamic world is possible, says the official spokesman of the Turkish Foreign Ministry following the European Unions’ request for Turkey to act as a mediator.

"The Danish government ought quickly to announce that Denmark does not accept denigration of the Prophet Muhammed such as the cartoons in Jyllands-Posten gives voice to. Denmark should apologize for what’s happened and make it clear that the Danish government wants nothing to do with the cartoons." So says Namik Tan, official spokesman of Abdullah Gül, foreign minister of Turkey.

Not about Freedom of Speech

He underlines that in the opinion of the Turkish government the cartoons have nothing to do with Freedom of Speech.

"This issue is not about Freedom of Speech. This is no different than if these cartoons had anti-semitic content. If Denmark persists in insisting that this is about Freedom of Speech, it will be very difficult to proceed," Tan is quoted as saying.

Long way to the EU

The spokesman of the Liberal ruling party, Jens Rohde, condemns the statement, saying that this will only make it more difficult for Turkey to act as a mediator and it will not be helpful if they want to be accepted into the EU.

"The Danish government can under no circumstances apologize for the actions of a private newspaper," Jens Rohde is quoted as saying to Ritzau.

"This doesn’t exactly make them more qualified to be mediators - nor does it help them qualify to be members of the EU, to be frank," Jens Rohde says of the Turkish statement.

Say bye bye Turkey, which really is a shame.

 

[ekrem]

The source is from Denmark --> www. ////////.dk

Yes Turkish is a language this should be even known in America.
Oh, Kathianne you have to learn a bit more to be provocative in this issues.

Now, slowly the facts:

Austria is current EU-Term-president.
Austria as its above described function, officially asked Turkey for help in this cartoon-crisis.

In this context, the next EU foreign minister's meeting in Salzburg / Austria from 10-11 March wil be held with this agenda. Here Turkey's foreign minister will hold the opening speech to this issue and will tell EU what steps have to be taken to resolve problems between Muslim World and EU.

Also Turkey together with Spain forms the Alliance of civilizations which is backed by Kofi Annan for inter-cultural dialogue.

The same time Turkey is current presidemcy of OIC.

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Now lets get deeper:

Danish newspaper called: "Berlingske Tidende daily" welcomed this mediation.

Silvio Berlusconi spoke to Arab world live on Al-Jazeera with this words:

“The West is not your enemy. Respect is mutual. Believe in freedom and democracy.” Berlusconi said, “Look at Turkey. I personally wanted Turkey to be in the European Union. It quickly changes its laws or amends them. The future path of Islamic societies can follow Turkey’s lead.”

Angela Merkel wrote in German Magazine Stern" this words:

Turkey played an important mediating role in the Islamic world. I’m pleased with this. The crisis wouldn’t affect Turkey’s European Union bid, and membership negotiations were continuing independent of the crisis.

Kathianne, by your thinking: the shame Turkey can say byebyebye to EU. But the truth is the cartoon crisis has accelarated Turkey's integration process into EU.


All of this will result in changeing laws in EU countries. As Anti-semitism is changed by Islamophobia. And There are laws protecting Jews but not Muslims in EU, there will come laws in EU which protect Muslims in EU.
European Union is multi-polar. What Denmark alone thinks is one side, Denmarks as a single part can not define EU policy.
Turkey has overworked LAws in some big EU countries with high turkish population to put them under protection like the jews.
And from what as i read, there is a hgh chance that these law-proposals will be accepted by EU members.

A indicator for this is the latest German court decision, where one man has been put for 1 year in prison, as he produced Toilet-paper with Koran on it and then marketing it.

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Anyway, thank you for your nice words.... appreciate openess.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

No. Europeans don't won't your Islamic thought control. Forget it. Turkey's out.

 

[ekrem]

No. Europeans don't won't your Islamic thought control. Forget it. Turkey's out.

This is a statement not relied on facts. Austrian EU terms presidency said that accession talks with Turkey open within Austrian term president.

The EU Wants Turkey to mediate the cartoon-crisis.
The turkish Foreign minister should come with ideas how the arab world and the westernworld can bind together. EU´s Foreignpolitical Chief means that denmark has a responsibility to try and improve the situation and solve it.


The Austrian chairmanship has asked the Turkish Foreignminister Abdullah Gül about presenting a turkish offer, idea, solution to how the conflict between the Muslim world and European Union can be solved on longer terms.

The Turkish FM has been invited to lead a discussion on the subject in a FM-meeting 11. March, says the Austrian spokesman NIKOLA Johannes...

 

[rtwngAvngr]

This is a statement not relied on facts. Austrian EU terms presidency said that accession talks with Turkey open within Austrian term president.

The EU Wants Turkey to mediate the cartoon-crisis.
The turkish Foreign minister should come with ideas how the arab world and the westernworld can bind together. EU´s Foreignpolitical Chief means that denmark has a responsibility to try and improve the situation and solve it.


The Austrian chairmanship has asked the Turkish Foreignminister Abdullah Gül about presenting a turkish offer, idea, solution to how the conflict between the Muslim world and European Union can be solved on longer terms.

The Turkish FM has been invited to lead a discussion on the subject in a FM-meeting 11. March, says the Austrian spokesman NIKOLA Johannes...

So what. You'll still never be part of the EU. Islam is not compatible with modernity.

 

[ekrem]

The capitalicy wants Turkey joining EU, so Turkey's way is open.
This has nothing to do with cartoon crisis as Angela Merkel said.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

The capitalicy wants Turkey joining EU, so Turkey's way is open.
This has nothing to do with cartoon crisis as Angela Merkel said.

Don't you mean capitalarcy?

 

[NATO AIR]

Thanks for your take Canavar. What do you think is the overall foreign policy goal of Ankara's Islamic government? It seems to be in considerable flux over the cartoon issue, Iraq, Iran and other matters.

 

[Nienna]

"This issue is not about Freedom of Speech. This is no different than if these cartoons had anti-semitic content. If Denmark persists in insisting that this is about Freedom of Speech, it will be very difficult to proceed," Tan is quoted as saying.

Yes, and hangings would proceed much more smoothly if the condemned would just pretend they weren't choking.

 

[Said1]

Austria is current EU-Term-president.
Austria as its above described function, officially asked Turkey for help in this cartoon-crisis.


In this context, the next EU foreign minister's meeting in Salzburg / Austria from 10-11 March wil be held with this agenda. Here Turkey's foreign minister will hold the opening speech to this issue and will tell EU what steps have to be taken to resolve problems between Muslim World and EU.

Also Turkey together with Spain forms the Alliance of civilizations which is backed by Kofi Annan for inter-cultural dialogue.

The same time Turkey is current presidemcy of OIC.

Maybe so, but as of late, making demands does not ensure proper mediation.

Now lets get deeper:

Danish newspaper called: "Berlingske Tidende daily" welcomed this mediation.

Silvio Berlusconi spoke to Arab world live on Al-Jazeera with this words:

Berlusconi is a crook.

Angela Merkel wrote in German Magazine Stern" this words:

Does this person giving their opinion give any examples? Seriously.

Kathianne, by your thinking: the shame Turkey can say byebyebye to EU. But the truth is the cartoon crisis has accelarated Turkey's integration process into EU.

How? Again, making demands is not mediating.

All of this will result in changeing laws in EU countries. As Anti-semitism is changed by Islamophobia. And There are laws protecting Jews but not Muslims in EU, there will come laws in EU which protect Muslims in EU.
European Union is multi-polar.

Muslims are considered minorities. As you well know, accession criteria demands that there be 'stability of institutions guaranteeing democracy, the rule of law, human rights and respect for and protection of minorities' Link. There will be no EU laws changed, it will be the members who must change, prior to membership.

What Denmark alone thinks is one side, Denmarks as a single part can not define EU policy.

What are the few things that typically define democracy? Not state censored speach, demanded from another state. It's alright to have an opinion on the matter, but public demands do not seem like proper mediation protocol. How is the mediation going?

Turkey has overworked LAws in some big EU countries with high turkish population to put them under protection like the jews.
And from what as i read, there is a hgh chance that these law-proposals will be accepted by EU members.

A indicator for this is the latest German court decision, where one man has been put for 1 year in prison, as he produced Toilet-paper with Koran on it and then marketing it.

Like I said, these protections are already a requirment, how they are played out within their societies is up to them as long as it meets the EU criteria.

 

[ekrem]

Thanks for your take Canavar. What do you think is the overall foreign policy goal of Ankara's Islamic government? It seems to be in considerable flux over the cartoon issue, Iraq, Iran and other matters.

Hello Nato Air, what do you exactly mean with flux over cartoon and Iran issues? can you specify this and be more concrete. Thanky you in advance. afterwards i will try to give you a satisfactory answer tonight when i am again at home.

 

[ekrem]

plus also good read for background information and false journalism...
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/856

 

[Annie]

plus also good read for background information and false journalism...
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/856

I've already read that, what part of the article would you highlight? That referring to Danes or Finland?

 

[ekrem]

The part that foreign minister spokesman Tan didin't requested a apology from Denmark. Also Rassmussens saying to Hürriyet-Newspaper that such demand from Turkey hasn't been asked for.

Plus the part, which is not actually in the text, that Turkey and Denmark are for some months now in rhetoric clash as Roj-TV, PKKs mouth, is sending from Denmark and Denmark resists to shut down this TV-station.
4 months ago when Rasmussen and Turkish primeminister met, Turkish primeminister refused afterwards Press conference because Roj-TV was in the same room, and Rasmussen refused to throw Roj-TV out of conference room. So turkish primeminister stand up and left room.

Since then There is a rhetoric clash between both countries, in media as also in diplomatic levels.

Roj-TV for example has been thrown out from Germany and France. They aren't allowed to send from there, as these countries accepted that this TV-Station makes PKK-terrorist propaganda.



http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/templateC05.php?CID=2413
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Roj TV: The Danish-based television broadcaster is headquartered at H. C. Andersens Boulevard 39, DK-1553, Copenhagen. The network, which also operates a website, broadcasts pro-PKK news and propaganda, including interviews with PKK leaders and calls for violent action against Turkey.

maybe Danish newspaper makeing false news about "Turkey demands apology from Denmark" is just a continuation of polemic which is going on for some months now beetween both countries.
Turkish side is clear: No demand for apology for cartoon.

 

[Annie]

The part that foreign minister spokesman Tan didin't requested a apology from Denmark.

But earlier you were agreeing with and seemed to, actually more than seemed to, imply that the laws should be changed, not just an apology.

Also Rassmussens saying to Hürriyet-Newspaper that such demand from Turkey hasn't been asked for.

Plus the part, which is not actually in the text, that Turkey and Denmark are for some months now in rhetoric clash as Roj-TV, PKKs mouth, is sending from Denmark and Denmark resists to shut down this TV-station.

evil bastards!

4 months ago when Rasmussen and Turkish primeminister met, Turkish primeminister refused afterwards Press conference because Roj-TV was in the same room, and Rasmussen refused to throw Roj-TV out of conference room. So turkish primeminister stand up and left room.

Since then There is a rhetoric clash between both countries, in media as also in diplomatic levels.

Roj-TV for example has been thrown out from Germany and France. They aren't allowed to send from there, as these countries accepted that this TV-Station makes PKK-terrorist propaganda.



http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/templateC05.php?CID=2413
--->



maybe Danish newspaper makeing false news about "Turkey demands apology from Denmark" is just a continuation of polemic which is going on for some months now beetween both countries.
Turkish side is clear: No demand for apology for cartoon.

See bold at end, perhaps it's not the Danes making the false news? Could it be?

 

[nosarcasm]

the whole cartoon crisis has done one thing in Europe, it has created a majority of people that loathe Islam. Any form of Islam. The cultural identity of Europe is threatened by it and this crisis has started a countermovement. Turkey is caught in the middle. It has the Muslim government and the secular military.

I think it will be a struggle between the more moderate Turks that return home from their host countries with new perspectives on freedom and the Muslim backward Turks that long for the Ottoman Empire.

If the more moderate Turks win, Turkey will become part of the economic Union but because of them being Muslims they more then likely will not become a full member in the short term (next two decades or so)

I assume since the Iraq war, the Antiamerican film the USA insistence on EU
membership of Turkey has subsided. Oh yeah I like to rub that one in.

 

[Said1]

But earlier you were agreeing with and seemed to, actually more than seemed to, imply that the laws should be changed, not just an apology. ?

Because there are special law protecting Jews, the same should be for Muslims.

If anything, Canavar these special Jewish laws will be removed and replaced with universal legislation protecting all minorities equally. Speacial legislation for each group would be very time consuming and somewhat redundant.

 

[ekrem]

But earlier you were agreeing with and seemed to, actually more than seemed to, imply that the laws should be changed, not just an apology. evil bastards!
See bold at end, perhaps it's not the Danes making the false news? Could it be?

Yes i said, that Laws will changed. And this will happen. Said1 argumented with minority-status and soon. What i mean is a different thing, that you can't insult churches, or express anti-semitism or anti-christianism in some european countries and cannot discriminate some people.
To prevent this there exist laws.

Discrimination against Muslims in Europe is open and not stopped via laws as by Jews or Christians for example. Turkey now says: Include other religions too in these laws protecting people from discrimination.

 

[Annie]

Yes i said, that Laws will changed. And this will happen. Said1 argumented with minority-status and soon. What i mean is a different thing, that you can't insult churches, or express anti-semitism or anti-christianism in some european countries and cannot discriminate some people.
To prevent this there exist laws.

Discrimination against Muslims in Europe is open and not stopped via laws as by Jews or Christians for example. Turkey now says: Include other religions too in these laws protecting from discrimination.

Why does this sound like 'everyone will submit?'

 

[ekrem]

Why does this sound like 'everyone will submit?'

It's my prediction. And EU is not governed of 27 Denmarks with rightist government.
There are circles in Eu who do not have interrest in conflict with muslim world.

In Europe there live 20 Million Muslims. They are not protected from laws against discrimination. How many Jews live in Europe? Maybe less than these 20 Millions, but still there exist some laws protecting them.

So what is wrong now demanding this for every religion. Be it Hinduism or Islam.

And the sign leads to there. In Germany a court decided 1 year prison for a man who printed Koran on Toilet-paper and market it.