Maybe I was right about Trump and the Democrats

[iceberg]

It's not just what he did, it's the way that he did it.

If this kind of behavior is okay with you, great. But let's not pretend it's presidential, appropriate, or dignified.
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I rather find his unorthodox refreshing. PC is pure poison.

I realize you like the polished look of Obama as he smiled in your face while sticking a knife in your back and blaming someone else for it, but I was not impressed.

There's a difference between being politically correct and just behaving like a mature, intelligent adult.

But as I said, I know you're fine with his behaviors.
.

Jimmy Carter was arguably one of the nicest men to take office, and he was also one of the worst Presidents of all time

I also take issue with how the press distorts what he says. Is saying that the US is being invaded racist? No. In fact, I can show you clips of democrats sounding just like Trump in the 90's, yet only now it is in-Presidential and racist?

The press is, by and large, clearly biased against him.

Most of that is because they are what they are; some of it is because of his behaviors towards them.
.

No, the press has been biased against the GOP and conservative for some time now.

Everyone seems to know this except you.

Why is that?

while i would agree, i would also say this is the worst its ever been.

maybe trump exposing all this is part of his "charm".

 

[Votto]

I rather find his unorthodox refreshing. PC is pure poison.

I realize you like the polished look of Obama as he smiled in your face while sticking a knife in your back and blaming someone else for it, but I was not impressed.

There's a difference between being politically correct and just behaving like a mature, intelligent adult.

But as I said, I know you're fine with his behaviors.
.

Jimmy Carter was arguably one of the nicest men to take office, and he was also one of the worst Presidents of all time

I also take issue with how the press distorts what he says. Is saying that the US is being invaded racist? No. In fact, I can show you clips of democrats sounding just like Trump in the 90's, yet only now it is in-Presidential and racist?

The press is, by and large, clearly biased against him.

Most of that is because they are what they are; some of it is because of his behaviors towards them.
.

No, the press has been biased against the GOP and conservative for some time now.

Everyone seems to know this except you.

Why is that?

while i would agree, i would also say this is the worst its ever been.

maybe trump exposing all this is part of his "charm".

IF Trump loses and the media wins, it will continue.

The only hope is to show them that it does not work any longer

Then again, they are all Marxists, thus not very good students of history, so it will probably continue anyway.

 

[Mac1958]

It's not just what he did, it's the way that he did it.

If this kind of behavior is okay with you, great. But let's not pretend it's presidential, appropriate, or dignified.
.

I rather find his unorthodox refreshing. PC is pure poison.

I realize you like the polished look of Obama as he smiled in your face while sticking a knife in your back and blaming someone else for it, but I was not impressed.

There's a difference between being politically correct and just behaving like a mature, intelligent adult.

But as I said, I know you're fine with his behaviors.
.

Jimmy Carter was arguably one of the nicest men to take office, and he was also one of the worst Presidents of all time

I also take issue with how the press distorts what he says. Is saying that the US is being invaded racist? No. In fact, I can show you clips of democrats sounding just like Trump in the 90's, yet only now it is in-Presidential and racist?

The press is, by and large, clearly biased against him.

Most of that is because they are what they are; some of it is because of his behaviors towards them.
.

No, the press has been biased against the GOP and conservative for some time now.

Everyone seems to know this except you.

Why is that?

So now we're going with fabrication to make a point. That's not what I said. I know the media is biased, I was IN it for 18 years.

I'm saying that he has made it worse, that he has given them an excuse. If you want to deny that, I won't be surprised.

I know you'll support him no matter what. This is pointless.
.

 

[dannyboys]

Admittedly, I'm not good at predicting partisan political stuff - Much of the time I don't know what I'm supposed to believe. But my concern when Trump first got into office was that things would go so nuts that the backlash would be strongest not from the rank-and-file Democrats, but from the hardcore Left. Then 2020 would end up being a race between the two whacked-out ends of the spectrum.

About six weeks after he got into office (2/25/2017), I said the following in this thread: Will the Resistance fade?

Was I right?

Post 1:

What worries me is that a Trump flameout would usher back in the "progressives", not liberals, and the madness will continue - just in a different form.

Post 10:

Perhaps the biggest irony of Trump's presidency is the possibility that it could lead to the mother of all backlashes. If he fouls this up quickly, the progressive zealots who still control the Democratic party will be able to pop right back in, only with a vengeance this time. There will be no time for the decent, traditional liberals to get any kind of foothold in the party.

Post 72:

It's early, but every indication I've seen to this point is as you describe. The party energy is clearly geared to move it solidly Left. But again, that's the danger here: If Trump blows this, the "progressives" will be waiting and the country will swing in that direction.

I said something similar after he was elected. Except, I didn't expect that this massive backlash from the alt-left, global socialist funded radicals would occur if and when he succeeded. I assumed, if he failed, socialism would take the WH after him. He is succeeding though, in spite of their efforts.

Instead of saying "hey, this works for America and let's move closer to this America First ideology, they decided that "to hell with what works. We just want power". That should concern the world. The U.S can fight the bad guys, nobody else can (or will).

This means any described benefit for the average citizens decreases significantly as the real objective is power, not prescription or policies. Leaders must lead, for their constituents. We are watching a global world that lacks leadership and it demanded an outsider of the highest order to expose it. Listen to all they talk about in the debates "I will give this group, free shyte! Vote for me!". Neither practical nor responsible.

Really, what more perfect situation would it be than Donald Trump winning presidency in America. An already well known businessman, patriot and showman who is about as defiant as there is, and, running the most influential nation. It was perfect. Especially is defiance. He's as stubborn as a mule and it's helped him greatly in his vast support.

He understands this so well that he is making damned sure it stays this way. Thus, crushing China and putting back in line any nation, friend or foe, that exploits America, has to be done.

Whether or not he will have succeeded is up for debate, but he's certainly become the lightning rod that has made it much easier for the hardcore Left to mobilize.

This is one high-wire act. The risk he represents to the GOP and what has happened to the Democratic Party appears to be playing out, though.
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The "hard core left" are only about 25% of the overall DEM voting base.
And these people are notorious for having big mouths but not bothering to turn out to vote.
The over 75% are 'iffy' about committing to full blown Bernie Sanders/Warren's Socialism.
This 75% KNOWS Socialism will not sell with the mainstream American voter.
Open borders and free healthcare for illegals are promises the DEM candidates made on the debate stage.

 

[Mac1958]

It's not just what he did, it's the way that he did it.

If this kind of behavior is okay with you, great. But let's not pretend it's presidential, appropriate, or dignified.
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what does presidential mean exactly? We haven't had one of those, presidential, since Kennedy and he was shot for his talent. Trump was the right man for the job.

You just keep posting to me.

I don't know how to explain "presidential" to you. I'd think it would be obvious.

Believe whatever you want.
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presidential means having someone who is helping your values maintain significance.

that will change for us all, making it not a very all encompassing description of who values what.

Well, that's your definition.
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feel free to provide your own. at least i'm trying. you're just doing the "well i don't know what to tell you" that isn't much help now is it?

I'm not trying to convince you of anything.
.

 

[Votto]

I rather find his unorthodox refreshing. PC is pure poison.

I realize you like the polished look of Obama as he smiled in your face while sticking a knife in your back and blaming someone else for it, but I was not impressed.

There's a difference between being politically correct and just behaving like a mature, intelligent adult.

But as I said, I know you're fine with his behaviors.
.

Jimmy Carter was arguably one of the nicest men to take office, and he was also one of the worst Presidents of all time

I also take issue with how the press distorts what he says. Is saying that the US is being invaded racist? No. In fact, I can show you clips of democrats sounding just like Trump in the 90's, yet only now it is in-Presidential and racist?

The press is, by and large, clearly biased against him.

Most of that is because they are what they are; some of it is because of his behaviors towards them.
.

No, the press has been biased against the GOP and conservative for some time now.

Everyone seems to know this except you.

Why is that?

So now we're going with fabrication to make a point. That's not what I said. I know the media is biased, I was IN it for 18 years.

I'm saying that he has made it worse, that he has given them an excuse. If you want to deny that, I won't be surprised.

I know you'll support him no matter what. This is pointless.
.

Well sure, you stand up to a bully and things get ugly.

Guess we should all cower down to them again.

But alas, when it is proven that CNN is giving Hillary the debate questions prior to the Presidential debates, enough is enough. Something had to be done.

 

[bendog]

Admittedly, I'm not good at predicting partisan political stuff - Much of the time I don't know what I'm supposed to believe. But my concern when Trump first got into office was that things would go so nuts that the backlash would be strongest not from the rank-and-file Democrats, but from the hardcore Left. Then 2020 would end up being a race between the two whacked-out ends of the spectrum.

About six weeks after he got into office (2/25/2017), I said the following in this thread: Will the Resistance fade?

Was I right?

Post 1:

What worries me is that a Trump flameout would usher back in the "progressives", not liberals, and the madness will continue - just in a different form.

Post 10:

Perhaps the biggest irony of Trump's presidency is the possibility that it could lead to the mother of all backlashes. If he fouls this up quickly, the progressive zealots who still control the Democratic party will be able to pop right back in, only with a vengeance this time. There will be no time for the decent, traditional liberals to get any kind of foothold in the party.

Post 72:

It's early, but every indication I've seen to this point is as you describe. The party energy is clearly geared to move it solidly Left. But again, that's the danger here: If Trump blows this, the "progressives" will be waiting and the country will swing in that direction.

What strikes me is that with BOTH parties determined to enforce ideological purity by ridding themselves of pesky centrists, there is absolutely no appetite for an independent. So, those hopes should be put to rest.

The gop has an advantage in that despite Trumps appeal to nativisism, which is 100% contrary to the needs of the .1%, there's no real conflict because Trump signs what little McConnel gives him - the .1%'s tax cuts - and everything else goes smoothly along with no immigration reform no budget reform no entitlement reform - so long as Trump can hold his carnival rallies that make him and his nativist base happy. All the gop sheds is middle class fiscally conservative socially libertarian people like me, and that includes gays.

Conversely, there's no real way for the dems to satisfy all of the groups that make up the party.

edit: sorry I had to move something. The dems challenge is different. Neither of the two socialist advocates have any black support. So, if someone else can pick off even 1/3 of delegates in N and W states, he/she should win the nomination. But will the socialist advocates who have convinced themselves they are the future maj in America accept that outcome.

 

[jc456]

I rather find his unorthodox refreshing. PC is pure poison.

I realize you like the polished look of Obama as he smiled in your face while sticking a knife in your back and blaming someone else for it, but I was not impressed.

There's a difference between being politically correct and just behaving like a mature, intelligent adult.

But as I said, I know you're fine with his behaviors.
.

Jimmy Carter was arguably one of the nicest men to take office, and he was also one of the worst Presidents of all time

I also take issue with how the press distorts what he says. Is saying that the US is being invaded racist? No. In fact, I can show you clips of democrats sounding just like Trump in the 90's, yet only now it is in-Presidential and racist?

The press is, by and large, clearly biased against him.

Most of that is because they are what they are; some of it is because of his behaviors towards them.
.

No, the press has been biased against the GOP and conservative for some time now.

Everyone seems to know this except you.

Why is that?

So now we're going with fabrication to make a point. That's not what I said. I know the media is biased, I was IN it for 18 years.

I'm saying that he has made it worse, that he has given them an excuse. If you want to deny that, I won't be surprised.

I know you'll support him no matter what. This is pointless.
.

he did it to expose them. period, just like he's doing everything to expose the corruption in DC.

 

[Votto]

Admittedly, I'm not good at predicting partisan political stuff - Much of the time I don't know what I'm supposed to believe. But my concern when Trump first got into office was that things would go so nuts that the backlash would be strongest not from the rank-and-file Democrats, but from the hardcore Left. Then 2020 would end up being a race between the two whacked-out ends of the spectrum.

About six weeks after he got into office (2/25/2017), I said the following in this thread: Will the Resistance fade?

Was I right?

Post 1:

What worries me is that a Trump flameout would usher back in the "progressives", not liberals, and the madness will continue - just in a different form.

Post 10:

Perhaps the biggest irony of Trump's presidency is the possibility that it could lead to the mother of all backlashes. If he fouls this up quickly, the progressive zealots who still control the Democratic party will be able to pop right back in, only with a vengeance this time. There will be no time for the decent, traditional liberals to get any kind of foothold in the party.

Post 72:

It's early, but every indication I've seen to this point is as you describe. The party energy is clearly geared to move it solidly Left. But again, that's the danger here: If Trump blows this, the "progressives" will be waiting and the country will swing in that direction.

What strikes me is that with BOTH parties determined to enforce ideological purity by ridding themselves of pesky centrists, there is absolutely no appetite for an independent. So, those hopes should be put to rest.

The gop has an advantage in that despite Trumps appeal to nativisism, which is 100% contrary to the needs of the .1%, there's no real conflict because Trump signs what little McConnel gives him - the .1%'s tax cuts - and everything else goes smoothly along with no immigration reform no budget reform no entitlement reform - so long as Trump can hold his carnival rallies that make him and his nativist base happy. All the gop sheds is middle class fiscally conservative socially libertarian people like me, and that includes gays.

Conversely, there's no real way for the dems to satisfy all of the groups that make up the party.

The term centrist is a joke.

For example, Trump only 10 years ago wanted to run as a democrat and have Oprah run as his VP. Some racist, huh. Now look how radical the Left is, the only place for him is the GOP, if even that.

The government has been radicalized, so centrists are part of this radicalization, not the solution to it.

Now in San Fran a homeless illegal who shoots a US citizen dead is not even charged with involuntary man slaughter and let go despite his numerous felonies. Now children cannot so much as have an aspirin in school without their parents permission but can have an abortion and the parents don't even have to be notified or ever know anything about it. Now there is no such things as man or woman, and now suggesting there is, is bigoted.

Just taking the crap from the media all these years is how we got here. Now it's time to fight, assuming it's not too late.

 

[jc456]

There's a difference between being politically correct and just behaving like a mature, intelligent adult.

But as I said, I know you're fine with his behaviors.
.

Jimmy Carter was arguably one of the nicest men to take office, and he was also one of the worst Presidents of all time

I also take issue with how the press distorts what he says. Is saying that the US is being invaded racist? No. In fact, I can show you clips of democrats sounding just like Trump in the 90's, yet only now it is in-Presidential and racist?

The press is, by and large, clearly biased against him.

Most of that is because they are what they are; some of it is because of his behaviors towards them.
.

No, the press has been biased against the GOP and conservative for some time now.

Everyone seems to know this except you.

Why is that?

So now we're going with fabrication to make a point. That's not what I said. I know the media is biased, I was IN it for 18 years.

I'm saying that he has made it worse, that he has given them an excuse. If you want to deny that, I won't be surprised.

I know you'll support him no matter what. This is pointless.
.

Well sure, you stand up to a bully and things get ugly.

Guess we should all cower down to them again.

But alas, when it is proven that CNN is giving Hillary the debate questions prior to the Presidential debates, enough is enough. Something had to be done.

the true sign of a good leader is that the leader does what's right to him/ her no matter the consequences, like tariffs on China or any other country, Trump wants their reign on stealing our jobs to stop. If he loses reelection because of that, so be it! You will not see a true politician take such a stand, ever.

 

[Mac1958]

There's a difference between being politically correct and just behaving like a mature, intelligent adult.

But as I said, I know you're fine with his behaviors.
.

Jimmy Carter was arguably one of the nicest men to take office, and he was also one of the worst Presidents of all time

I also take issue with how the press distorts what he says. Is saying that the US is being invaded racist? No. In fact, I can show you clips of democrats sounding just like Trump in the 90's, yet only now it is in-Presidential and racist?

The press is, by and large, clearly biased against him.

Most of that is because they are what they are; some of it is because of his behaviors towards them.
.

No, the press has been biased against the GOP and conservative for some time now.

Everyone seems to know this except you.

Why is that?

So now we're going with fabrication to make a point. That's not what I said. I know the media is biased, I was IN it for 18 years.

I'm saying that he has made it worse, that he has given them an excuse. If you want to deny that, I won't be surprised.

I know you'll support him no matter what. This is pointless.
.

Well sure, you stand up to a bully and things get ugly.

Guess we should all cower down to them again.

But alas, when it is proven that CNN is giving Hillary the debate questions prior to the Presidential debates, enough is enough. Something had to be done.

Well, that's the refrain I always get: He either acts like a spoiled eight year old, or completely capitulates like a scared bunny. No in between. Nothing in the middle. He can't be both a normal, intelligent adult AND stand up for his beliefs and opinions at the same time. That just isn't possible.

I know, that's the spin.
.

 

[Mac1958]

Admittedly, I'm not good at predicting partisan political stuff - Much of the time I don't know what I'm supposed to believe. But my concern when Trump first got into office was that things would go so nuts that the backlash would be strongest not from the rank-and-file Democrats, but from the hardcore Left. Then 2020 would end up being a race between the two whacked-out ends of the spectrum.

About six weeks after he got into office (2/25/2017), I said the following in this thread: Will the Resistance fade?

Was I right?

Post 1:

What worries me is that a Trump flameout would usher back in the "progressives", not liberals, and the madness will continue - just in a different form.

Post 10:

Perhaps the biggest irony of Trump's presidency is the possibility that it could lead to the mother of all backlashes. If he fouls this up quickly, the progressive zealots who still control the Democratic party will be able to pop right back in, only with a vengeance this time. There will be no time for the decent, traditional liberals to get any kind of foothold in the party.

Post 72:

It's early, but every indication I've seen to this point is as you describe. The party energy is clearly geared to move it solidly Left. But again, that's the danger here: If Trump blows this, the "progressives" will be waiting and the country will swing in that direction.

What strikes me is that with BOTH parties determined to enforce ideological purity by ridding themselves of pesky centrists, there is absolutely no appetite for an independent. So, those hopes should be put to rest.

The gop has an advantage in that despite Trumps appeal to nativisism, which is 100% contrary to the needs of the .1%, there's no real conflict because Trump signs what little McConnel gives him - the .1%'s tax cuts - and everything else goes smoothly along with no immigration reform no budget reform no entitlement reform - so long as Trump can hold his carnival rallies that make him and his nativist base happy. All the gop sheds is middle class fiscally conservative socially libertarian people like me, and that includes gays.

Conversely, there's no real way for the dems to satisfy all of the groups that make up the party.

You bet. As I say all the time, the two ends can be comically similar in their behaviors.

Somehow they don't see it. That's how powerful ideology is.
.

 

[jc456]

Admittedly, I'm not good at predicting partisan political stuff - Much of the time I don't know what I'm supposed to believe. But my concern when Trump first got into office was that things would go so nuts that the backlash would be strongest not from the rank-and-file Democrats, but from the hardcore Left. Then 2020 would end up being a race between the two whacked-out ends of the spectrum.

About six weeks after he got into office (2/25/2017), I said the following in this thread: Will the Resistance fade?

Was I right?

Post 1:

What worries me is that a Trump flameout would usher back in the "progressives", not liberals, and the madness will continue - just in a different form.

Post 10:

Perhaps the biggest irony of Trump's presidency is the possibility that it could lead to the mother of all backlashes. If he fouls this up quickly, the progressive zealots who still control the Democratic party will be able to pop right back in, only with a vengeance this time. There will be no time for the decent, traditional liberals to get any kind of foothold in the party.

Post 72:

It's early, but every indication I've seen to this point is as you describe. The party energy is clearly geared to move it solidly Left. But again, that's the danger here: If Trump blows this, the "progressives" will be waiting and the country will swing in that direction.

What strikes me is that with BOTH parties determined to enforce ideological purity by ridding themselves of pesky centrists, there is absolutely no appetite for an independent. So, those hopes should be put to rest.

The gop has an advantage in that despite Trumps appeal to nativisism, which is 100% contrary to the needs of the .1%, there's no real conflict because Trump signs what little McConnel gives him - the .1%'s tax cuts - and everything else goes smoothly along with no immigration reform no budget reform no entitlement reform - so long as Trump can hold his carnival rallies that make him and his nativist base happy. All the gop sheds is middle class fiscally conservative socially libertarian people like me, and that includes gays.

Conversely, there's no real way for the dems to satisfy all of the groups that make up the party.

The term centrist is a joke.

For example, Trump only 10 years ago wanted to run as a democrat and have Oprah run as his VP. Some racist, huh. Now look how radical the Left is, the only place for him is the GOP, if even that.

The government has been radicalized, so centrists are part of this radicalization, not the solution to it.

but, he did win as an independent under the GOP party. he did it in a way to win, and he won!!! genius in my book. perot merely muddied waters.

 

[Votto]

Admittedly, I'm not good at predicting partisan political stuff - Much of the time I don't know what I'm supposed to believe. But my concern when Trump first got into office was that things would go so nuts that the backlash would be strongest not from the rank-and-file Democrats, but from the hardcore Left. Then 2020 would end up being a race between the two whacked-out ends of the spectrum.

About six weeks after he got into office (2/25/2017), I said the following in this thread: Will the Resistance fade?

Was I right?

Post 1:

What worries me is that a Trump flameout would usher back in the "progressives", not liberals, and the madness will continue - just in a different form.

Post 10:

Perhaps the biggest irony of Trump's presidency is the possibility that it could lead to the mother of all backlashes. If he fouls this up quickly, the progressive zealots who still control the Democratic party will be able to pop right back in, only with a vengeance this time. There will be no time for the decent, traditional liberals to get any kind of foothold in the party.

Post 72:

It's early, but every indication I've seen to this point is as you describe. The party energy is clearly geared to move it solidly Left. But again, that's the danger here: If Trump blows this, the "progressives" will be waiting and the country will swing in that direction.

What strikes me is that with BOTH parties determined to enforce ideological purity by ridding themselves of pesky centrists, there is absolutely no appetite for an independent. So, those hopes should be put to rest.

The gop has an advantage in that despite Trumps appeal to nativisism, which is 100% contrary to the needs of the .1%, there's no real conflict because Trump signs what little McConnel gives him - the .1%'s tax cuts - and everything else goes smoothly along with no immigration reform no budget reform no entitlement reform - so long as Trump can hold his carnival rallies that make him and his nativist base happy. All the gop sheds is middle class fiscally conservative socially libertarian people like me, and that includes gays.

Conversely, there's no real way for the dems to satisfy all of the groups that make up the party.

edit: sorry I had to move something. The dems challenge is different. Neither of the two socialist advocates have any black support. So, if someone else can pick off even 1/3 of delegates in N and W states, he/she should win the nomination. But will the socialist advocates who have convinced themselves they are the future maj in America accept that outcome.

Trump is lambasted for not being civil using such language as "invasion" while CNN paints a mustache on Trump 24/7 and calls him the leader of the KKK.

 

[bendog]

Admittedly, I'm not good at predicting partisan political stuff - Much of the time I don't know what I'm supposed to believe. But my concern when Trump first got into office was that things would go so nuts that the backlash would be strongest not from the rank-and-file Democrats, but from the hardcore Left. Then 2020 would end up being a race between the two whacked-out ends of the spectrum.

About six weeks after he got into office (2/25/2017), I said the following in this thread: Will the Resistance fade?

Was I right?

Post 1:

What worries me is that a Trump flameout would usher back in the "progressives", not liberals, and the madness will continue - just in a different form.

Post 10:

Perhaps the biggest irony of Trump's presidency is the possibility that it could lead to the mother of all backlashes. If he fouls this up quickly, the progressive zealots who still control the Democratic party will be able to pop right back in, only with a vengeance this time. There will be no time for the decent, traditional liberals to get any kind of foothold in the party.

Post 72:

It's early, but every indication I've seen to this point is as you describe. The party energy is clearly geared to move it solidly Left. But again, that's the danger here: If Trump blows this, the "progressives" will be waiting and the country will swing in that direction.

What strikes me is that with BOTH parties determined to enforce ideological purity by ridding themselves of pesky centrists, there is absolutely no appetite for an independent. So, those hopes should be put to rest.

The gop has an advantage in that despite Trumps appeal to nativisism, which is 100% contrary to the needs of the .1%, there's no real conflict because Trump signs what little McConnel gives him - the .1%'s tax cuts - and everything else goes smoothly along with no immigration reform no budget reform no entitlement reform - so long as Trump can hold his carnival rallies that make him and his nativist base happy. All the gop sheds is middle class fiscally conservative socially libertarian people like me, and that includes gays.

Conversely, there's no real way for the dems to satisfy all of the groups that make up the party.

The term centrist is a joke.

For example, Trump only 10 years ago wanted to run as a democrat and have Oprah run as his VP. Some racist, huh. Now look how radical the Left is, the only place for him is the GOP, if even that.

The government has been radicalized, so centrists are part of this radicalization, not the solution to it.

but, he did win as an independent under the GOP party. he did it in a way to win, and he won!!! genius in my book. perot merely muddied waters.

But he hasn't changed the party. His polices have not been legislatively enacted, and Pence and Haley are vying to be next. Even with BushI, there was no role back of Reagan's taxes, and the gop became the party that ended Keynesian economics.

 

[iceberg]

There's a difference between being politically correct and just behaving like a mature, intelligent adult.

But as I said, I know you're fine with his behaviors.
.

Jimmy Carter was arguably one of the nicest men to take office, and he was also one of the worst Presidents of all time

I also take issue with how the press distorts what he says. Is saying that the US is being invaded racist? No. In fact, I can show you clips of democrats sounding just like Trump in the 90's, yet only now it is in-Presidential and racist?

The press is, by and large, clearly biased against him.

Most of that is because they are what they are; some of it is because of his behaviors towards them.
.

No, the press has been biased against the GOP and conservative for some time now.

Everyone seems to know this except you.

Why is that?

while i would agree, i would also say this is the worst its ever been.

maybe trump exposing all this is part of his "charm".

IF Trump loses and the media wins, it will continue.

The only hope is to show them that it does not work any longer

Then again, they are all Marxists, thus not very good students of history, so it will probably continue anyway.

and that is what trump is doing and yes, it does upset the media and those who've utilized it for their own ends/goals.

that isn't going to change w/o a lot of crying and gnashing of teeth. for all of trumps faults, he's the perfect person to get that accomplished.

 

[iceberg]

what does presidential mean exactly? We haven't had one of those, presidential, since Kennedy and he was shot for his talent. Trump was the right man for the job.

You just keep posting to me.

I don't know how to explain "presidential" to you. I'd think it would be obvious.

Believe whatever you want.
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presidential means having someone who is helping your values maintain significance.

that will change for us all, making it not a very all encompassing description of who values what.

Well, that's your definition.
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feel free to provide your own. at least i'm trying. you're just doing the "well i don't know what to tell you" that isn't much help now is it?

I'm not trying to convince you of anything.
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didn't say you were.
i said you didn't "define" presidential *to you*.

 

[toobfreak]

1. I think the backlash against Trump was stronger and more vitriolic that many people thought it would be, or that it would still be going strong heading into the election year. True, he feeds the flames on a regular basis and the MSM have been throwing gasoline on the fire every chance they get, whether it's justified or relevant, or not. But geez, this is ridiculous. The divisiveness is really hurting this country and nobody is blameless.

2. It is also true that Trump stepped on a lot of toes within the GOP on his way to the nomination and the election and since then, the stupid bastard just can't keep his mouth shut. But, for better or worse that's who he is, an urban street-fighter who always hits back whether it's the smartest thing to do or not.

3. I do believe there is a strong group of moderates within the Dem Party and among Independents who are very tired of Trump, but are totally dismayed at any and all of the people running on the Dem side. Good grief, the nonsense they're peddling has to be an anathema to many, as well as a return to the bigger gov't and bigger spending Dems.

4. I do not see the whacked out far Right as having that much influence. Trump is a populist, isn't he?

5. Note to self: don't start a thread with 'maybe I was right'. Mac is a good guy though, maybe we should ease up a little.

For the record, I did start the thread title with "Maybe" and the OP with "Admittedly, I'm not good at predicting partisan political stuff," so I erroneously figured I made it clear it wasn't some kind of big brag. So much for THAT idea, huh?

Anyway, thanks for the thoughtful and civil response!
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Should we leave you two alone? While you guys swap spit, I agree, you're not good Mac at predicting partisan political stuff thinly veiled to attempt to appear neutral, just merely generating it.

Never attempted to "appear neutral". Ever. And you nutters have tried that lie so many times that I added this to my sig long ago:

2. >>> For the liars who pretend I claim to be a centrist/moderate/impartial/unbiased/fence-sitter: Come on Jake, man up, just this once.

I'm sorry I triggered you like this, but please get me out of your head.
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Soooo:

1. You admit to being partisan.
2. So many people have accused you of the same thing you've added a line about it, but STILL don't see the truth about yourself!

MAC, the guy marching in the parade who thinks everyone but him is out of step.

admit to being partisan? are we not ALL partisan to our own views? you rag on him for pretending to be "neutral" then you rag on him for his saying you were wrong about what you "appeared" to have seen.

is it any wonder we're arguing 95% of the time in here.

Not at all, Berg. I approach every matter with an undecided POV hinging on a consensus of all the available facts. Quite a different thing to constantly ask questions and invite debate over things you've already made your mind up about and ridicule anyone who interjects an opposing view!

 

[iceberg]

For the record, I did start the thread title with "Maybe" and the OP with "Admittedly, I'm not good at predicting partisan political stuff," so I erroneously figured I made it clear it wasn't some kind of big brag. So much for THAT idea, huh?

Anyway, thanks for the thoughtful and civil response!
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Should we leave you two alone? While you guys swap spit, I agree, you're not good Mac at predicting partisan political stuff thinly veiled to attempt to appear neutral, just merely generating it.

Never attempted to "appear neutral". Ever. And you nutters have tried that lie so many times that I added this to my sig long ago:

2. >>> For the liars who pretend I claim to be a centrist/moderate/impartial/unbiased/fence-sitter: Come on Jake, man up, just this once.

I'm sorry I triggered you like this, but please get me out of your head.
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Soooo:

1. You admit to being partisan.
2. So many people have accused you of the same thing you've added a line about it, but STILL don't see the truth about yourself!

MAC, the guy marching in the parade who thinks everyone but him is out of step.

admit to being partisan? are we not ALL partisan to our own views? you rag on him for pretending to be "neutral" then you rag on him for his saying you were wrong about what you "appeared" to have seen.

is it any wonder we're arguing 95% of the time in here.

Not at all, Berg. I approach every matter with an undecided POV hinging on a consensus of all the available facts. Quite a different thing to constantly ask questions and invite debate over things you've already made your mind up about and ridicule anyone who interjects an opposing view!

fair enough.

 

[jc456]

Admittedly, I'm not good at predicting partisan political stuff - Much of the time I don't know what I'm supposed to believe. But my concern when Trump first got into office was that things would go so nuts that the backlash would be strongest not from the rank-and-file Democrats, but from the hardcore Left. Then 2020 would end up being a race between the two whacked-out ends of the spectrum.

About six weeks after he got into office (2/25/2017), I said the following in this thread: Will the Resistance fade?

Was I right?

Post 1:

What worries me is that a Trump flameout would usher back in the "progressives", not liberals, and the madness will continue - just in a different form.

Post 10:

Perhaps the biggest irony of Trump's presidency is the possibility that it could lead to the mother of all backlashes. If he fouls this up quickly, the progressive zealots who still control the Democratic party will be able to pop right back in, only with a vengeance this time. There will be no time for the decent, traditional liberals to get any kind of foothold in the party.

Post 72:

It's early, but every indication I've seen to this point is as you describe. The party energy is clearly geared to move it solidly Left. But again, that's the danger here: If Trump blows this, the "progressives" will be waiting and the country will swing in that direction.

What strikes me is that with BOTH parties determined to enforce ideological purity by ridding themselves of pesky centrists, there is absolutely no appetite for an independent. So, those hopes should be put to rest.

The gop has an advantage in that despite Trumps appeal to nativisism, which is 100% contrary to the needs of the .1%, there's no real conflict because Trump signs what little McConnel gives him - the .1%'s tax cuts - and everything else goes smoothly along with no immigration reform no budget reform no entitlement reform - so long as Trump can hold his carnival rallies that make him and his nativist base happy. All the gop sheds is middle class fiscally conservative socially libertarian people like me, and that includes gays.

Conversely, there's no real way for the dems to satisfy all of the groups that make up the party.

edit: sorry I had to move something. The dems challenge is different. Neither of the two socialist advocates have any black support. So, if someone else can pick off even 1/3 of delegates in N and W states, he/she should win the nomination. But will the socialist advocates who have convinced themselves they are the future maj in America accept that outcome.

Trump is lambasted for not being civil using such language as "invasion" while CNN paints a mustache on Trump 24/7 and calls him the leader of the KKK.

and someone dares to call him unpresidential.