Massachusetts: This Is The Nation’s Toughest Gun Law

[Dana7360]

So much for conservatives' advocacy of "states' rights."

The Constitution is the supreme law of the land. If its not mentioned in the Constitution then it falls to the laws of the state. Guess what the 2nd Amendment covers ?

You seriously need to read the constitution.

Pay very close to the Commerce Clause.

What Massachusetts is doing is constitutional. They are regulating commerce.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

So much for conservatives' advocacy of "states' rights."

The Constitution is the supreme law of the land. If its not mentioned in the Constitution then it falls to the laws of the state. Guess what the 2nd Amendment covers ?

You seriously need to read the constitution.

Pay very close to the Commerce Clause.

What Massachusetts is doing is constitutional. They are regulating commerce.

You need to pay attention to the part that states shall not be infringed .

 

[Skull Pilot]

Should we require the same of people wanting to buy a car? Let's see if you're consistent.

Sure - if they want to drive it in public.

So you're not being consistent. You said "all gun owners." When asked about cars, you limited it to those wanting to drive it in public.

Funny. It's hard to be consistent when an idiot is trying to compare apples and onions.

Feel free to argue that cars should be more heavily restricted given that more people die from them.

Are you unaware of speed limits and abundant traffic laws to license and use a motor vehicle on our public roads and highways - including insurance requirements?

and you have no right to operate a car on public roads.
It is a privilege granted by the state and can be revoked for any reason at any time

 

[Skull Pilot]

Feel free to argue that cars should be more heavily restricted given that more people die from them.

Are you unaware of speed limits and abundant traffic laws to license and use a motor vehicle on our public roads and highways - including insurance requirements?

Are you unaware that driving a car is a privilege and not a right, we have a right to own a gun, it is a privilege to drive a car. Of course the driving laws should be stricter.

You have a right to own a musket.

yes, and nearly every firearm invented since the 2nd was written.

(and even those, if you want to wade through the red tape.)

Are you in a militia?

Yes.
I am a militia of one charged with the protection of myself , my wife and my property

 

[Skull Pilot]

it's not about stopping ALL murders/etc..DUH
it's about cutting them down
every decent/common sense person wants to cut down murders--yes?

Then why aren't you concentrating on where the most murders take place?

 

[Skull Pilot]

Massachusetts 1.2% gun murder rate - one of the absolute lowest in the Nation.... maybe they know what is sensible laws for their own State?

And the state with the lowest murder rate has some of the most lax gun laws in the country

Gun laws have no effect on the murder rate

 

[Skull Pilot]

I believe all gun owners should be required to have a permit and undergo the same requirements as outlined in the OP. Anyone not willing to undergo such requirements should not be allowed to have guns. It's a small inconvenience to help make us all more secure from gun violence.

Should we require the same of people wanting to buy a car? Let's see if you're consistent.

I put out a loooooong list before and forgot a bunch
for buying a car/driving a car/transferring plates in my very pro-gun state:
you need proof of personal property tax paid
certificate of title
Application for title and license form108
odometer disclosure statement
notarized lien release if applicable
---emissions inspection
---car inspection
---proof of insurance
---written driver's test
---practical driver's test
---eye exam
birth certificate
SSN
residential address
work history
am I forgetting anything???

Yes you are forgetting that you do not have a right to operate a car on public roads.

 

[Skull Pilot]

We don't require licensing to exercise other Rights, so Massachusetts laws and other state laws are unconstitutional. Firearm law under the Constitution is Federal, not state. What does NOT BE INFRINGED mean?

Well, then you should report Massachusetts to SCOTUS.

I was smart enough to get the fuck out of MA. If the idiots living there want to pass laws that require them to ask a non-elected law enforcement official permission to exercise their rights that's their problem

 

[Skull Pilot]

We don't require licensing to exercise other Rights, so Massachusetts laws and other state laws are unconstitutional. Firearm law under the Constitution is Federal, not state. What does NOT BE INFRINGED mean?

What does “well regulated “ mean.

Easy to cherry pick lines huh?

it does not mean run by the government

 

[Skull Pilot]

Are you unaware that driving a car is a privilege and not a right, we have a right to own a gun, it is a privilege to drive a car. Of course the driving laws should be stricter.

You have a right to vote. Doesn’t stop righties from putting up all these voter ID laws .

It doesn't stop the left for wanting all to pay a tax to own a gun.

Isn't gun safety worth the price?

You haven’t correlated the laws to guns being any safer. We have asked however you provide absolutely nothing.

Mass has some of the toughest laws , and in turn , Lowest gun crimes .

NH has even fewer and they have very relaxed gun laws

How do you explain that?

 

[Lakhota]

Go Massachusetts!

 

[martybegan]

Go Massachusetts!

Again, please please please propose crap like this as a nationwide policy plan.

Bye bye middle america to the Democratic party!

 

[Papageorgio]

Are you unaware that driving a car is a privilege and not a right, we have a right to own a gun, it is a privilege to drive a car. Of course the driving laws should be stricter.

You have a right to vote. Doesn’t stop righties from putting up all these voter ID laws .

It doesn't stop the left for wanting all to pay a tax to own a gun.

Isn't gun safety worth the price?

You haven’t correlated the laws to guns being any safer. We have asked however you provide absolutely nothing.

Mass has some of the toughest laws , and in turn , Lowest gun crimes .

Are you unaware that driving a car is a privilege and not a right, we have a right to own a gun, it is a privilege to drive a car. Of course the driving laws should be stricter.

You have a right to vote. Doesn’t stop righties from putting up all these voter ID laws .

It doesn't stop the left for wanting all to pay a tax to own a gun.

Isn't gun safety worth the price?

You haven’t correlated the laws to guns being any safer. We have asked however you provide absolutely nothing.

Mass has some of the toughest laws , and in turn , Lowest gun crimes .

And yet it is middle of the road for violent crimes. So it looks like criminals are still criminals and the tough gun laws don’t matter.

Again, I asked for evidence that correlates tougher gun laws makes us any safer, so far you have a nothing burger.

 

[Pilot1]

Well regulated does NOT mean restricted, nor does it mean controlled like how it is often used today.

The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.

. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.

http://constitution.org/cons/wellregu.htm

 

[Anathema]

Did Massachusetts violate the 2nd Amendment? If so - how?

Yes. Massachusetts has syatemically violated not only the US Constitution but it's own in implementing gun regulations.

Yoive missed the biggest issue with this system.... it's a MAY Issue not a SHALL Issue system. Even if you have no disqualifying factors, the Police Chuef can decide not to issue you a petmit, "just because". In fact some towns will tell you not to wastectge $100 because "we don't issue permits here".

From 1998 until about 2006, the license issued would not fit in a standard wallet. Yet you must have it on you any time you're dealing with a firearm. We did finally get that changed to a standard ID size, but it was a pain in the ass.

I could go on but you're not listening anyway.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

NEWTON, Mass. ― A thirtysomething man sought to buy a rifle here last September, and if he had been living in almost any other part of the country, he could have done so easily.

His record was free of arrests, involuntary psychiatric commitments or anything else that might automatically disqualify him from owning firearms under federal law. He could have walked into a gun store, filled out a form and walked out with a weapon in less than an hour.

But he couldn’t do that in Massachusetts because the state requires would-be buyers to get a permit first. That means going through a much longer process and undergoing a lot more scrutiny.

Each applicant must complete a four-hour gun safety course, get character references from two people, and show up at the local police department for fingerprinting and a one-on-one interview with a specially designated officer. Police must also do some work on their own, searching department records for information that wouldn’t show up on the official background check.

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I salute Massachusetts for passing commonsense gun laws! Thankfully, we have states like Massachusetts that are moving forward on gun control. Hopefully more will follow their lead.

I have no doubt that we could cut school shooting death from an average of 15 deaths per year to an average of 13 per year if we made schools live-in prisons, requiring a complete strip search (including cavity search) and confiscation of all outside belongings. That does not mean we should do it.

We could probably achieve similar results (average of 2 fewer deaths per year) if we did a warrantless, door to door search and confiscation. Does that mean we should?

We could all be completely equal and make the same wage/salary if government controlled the means of production, but that's not really freedom, is it?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

We don't require licensing to exercise other Rights, so Massachusetts laws and other state laws are unconstitutional. Firearm law under the Constitution is Federal, not state. What does NOT BE INFRINGED mean?

Nonsense.

Only the courts have the authority to determine a law unconstitutional, ultimately the Supreme Court.

And the courts have held that licensing requirements are Constitutional.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Nonsense.

Only the courts have the authority to determine a law unconstitutional, ultimately the Supreme Court.

And the courts have held that licensing requirements are Constitutional.

They said STATES could do it.

I stand by my argument that the 2nd Amendment means the federal government has no authority to regulate firearms.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Again, the Second Amendment is NOT a state's rights issue.

Then neither is the 14th Amendment with regard to privacy rights and marriage.

If the states don't have the right to regulate firearms as they see fit, then they likewise don't have the right to compel a woman to give birth against her will or deny same-sex couples access to marriage law.

Conservatives can't have it both ways.

 

[Flash]

Isn't it amazing that the state with the highest taxation also has the most oppressive gun control laws and elected the most idiot members to Congress?

That place must be Libtard paradise for these stupid Moon Bats.