Mass Murderer Sues Norway over Extreme Sentence.

[GLASNOST]

If the state refuses to put this subhuman monster down, as it ought to; if the state ever allows this creature to go free again, then the state is certainly responsible for any further crimes that it commits after it has been released.

There is probably zero chance of that happening. The man is crazy. He didn't murder for the sake of killing. He actually thinks by killing all of those "leftist-thinking" teenagers that he's contributed to saving humanity.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

…if the state ever allows this creature to go free again, then the state is certainly responsible for any further crimes that it commits after it has been released.

There is probably zero chance of that happening. The man is crazy. He didn't murder for the sake of killing. He actually thinks by killing all of those "leftist-thinking" teenagers that he's contributed to saving humanity.

It's in its forties, now. Twenty-one-year sentence. Do the math. It will almost certainly live long enough to complete that sentence, and be set loose again.

 

[Donald H]

If the state refuses to put this subhuman monster down, as it ought to; if the state ever allows this creature to go free again, then the state is certainly responsible for any further crimes that it commits after it has been released.

The state is the people and the people will be taxed heavily to pay for America's failure.

Norway's people will pay much less on crime and punishment.

You need to be Braying at your state over it's stubborn attitude that results in failure.

And keep writing the cheques cause that's what Americans eventually understand the best.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

He killed 77 people. The death penalty would be too nice for him. Quite frankly, I wouldn't lose any sleep if they tortured him everyday.

 

[Donald H]

This asshole murdered 77 people. 21 years means only about 99 days per victim, effectively treating each murder ass a minor misdemeanor.

This asshole will live to go free again.

Any civilization with any sense at all would have put this piece of shit to death, or at the very least, sentenced it to life with no possibility of parole or other release. This piece of shit should die in prison, preferable as soon as possible.

Of course, you're taking its side against that of any and all actual human beings. This tells us enough about what you are.

America reaps what it has sowed. Socially responsible government in Norway doesn't breed assholes.
You just bray-a-lot because you can't allow yourself to understand the obvious.

 

[Donald H]

The US has been nurtured by the dumbed-down method of over-simplifying cause and effect as well as cockamamie pseudo-philosophy that makes "more guns = fewer shootings" seem logical. A system is not a thing. It is a series of things that make or break the sought-after goal. Neither banned guns (USA) nor rehabilitation (Norway) is the answer to crime-fighting. Those are necessary in conjunction with other measures to make them succeed. This should be obvious but the American population has been denied rational thought.

You could add more to the topic by relating to us some of the necessary tactics Norway applies, in addition to rehabilitation.

I don't have all the answers but I do know the obvious about America's failure on crime and punishment.

 

[GLASNOST]

It's in its forties, now. Twenty-one-year sentence. Do the math. It will almost certainly live long enough to complete that sentence, and be set loose again.

You are making conclusions about a system that you do not understand. He will never be free.

 

[GLASNOST]

You could add more to the topic by relating to us some of the necessary tactics Norway applies, in addition to rehabilitation.

(1) Socialist-Democracy. (2) The care of all of its citizens. (3) True Freedom (not the fake selective 'freedom' the US lies about). (4) The guarantee of a fair standard of living.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

You are making conclusions about a system that you do not understand. He will never be free.

Twenty-one-year sentence.

Are you saying that in Norway, even after a convicted criminal has fulfilled its sentence, and “paid its debt to society”, that they don't have to set it loose?

This piece of shit is young enough that it will most likely live to fulfill its twenty-one-year sentence.

 

[GLASNOST]

Twenty-one-year sentence. Are you saying that in Norway, even after a convicted criminal has fulfilled its sentence, and “paid its debt to society”, that they don't have to set it loose? This piece of shit is young enough that it will most likely live to fulfill its twenty-one-year sentence.

I am saying that you do not understand what you are talking about and the fact that you do not pay heed to what I said about "a system" is proof enough for me to know that you refuse to learn, thus making it a waste of my time trying to explain it to you.

 

[Donald H]

(1) Socialist-Democracy. (2) The care of all of its citizens. (3) True Freedom (not the fake selective 'freedom' the US lies about). (4) The guarantee of a fair standard of living.

Well said!
Coincidentally, #3 applies to the new thread on the student challenging his school over his right to fly American flags in his pickup truck.

It's selecting issues that can pose as 'freedom', under the banner of motherhood, that must not be challenged.

While #4 regarding increasing income inequality is allowed to sneak in the back door!

 

[Bob Blaylock]

I am saying that you do not understand what you are talking about and the fact that you do not pay heed to what I said about "a system" is proof enough for me to know that you refuse to learn, thus making it a waste of my time trying to explain it to you.

You're wasting a lot of words, to say nothing at all.

Does Norway, or does Norway not, claim the authority to hold a convicted criminal prisoner after that criminal has completed his sentence?

 

[Donald H]

You're wasting a lot of words, to say nothing at all.

Does Norway, or does Norway not, claim the authority to hold a convicted criminal prisoner after that criminal has completed his sentence?

Norway will have built that authority into their system. Ironically, that adjustment is completely consistent with the aspirations of those Americans who oppose the parole system. The difference only being that Norway allows the decisions to be made by capable professionals instead of the victims' loved ones.

You've left yourself nothing to argue except the success and merits of their system Bob.

 

[GLASNOST]

Well said!
Coincidentally, #3 applies to the new thread on the student challenging his school over his right to fly American flags in his pickup truck.

I was thinking about simpler, less ambiguous, “in your face” examples.


* Norwegian citizens (for example) are allowed to travel to every country on earth.

* American citizens, on the other hand, have been forbidden by US law to travel to Vietnam, North Korea, Cuba, Rhodesia, etc. et. etc.

 

[GLASNOST]

You're wasting a lot of words .....

"A lot"? All of my words to you have been wasted. But don't worry, I've fixed it now.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Norway will have built that authority into their system. Ironically, that adjustment is completely consistent with the aspirations of those Americans who oppose the parole system. The difference only being that Norway allows the decisions to be made by capable professionals instead of the victims' loved ones.

You've left yourself nothing to argue except the success and merits of their system Bob.

Under any sane, civilized society's system of justice, if one is convicted of a crime, and is sentenced to X years in prison, when he has served those X years in prison, he has completed his sentence, “paid his debt to society”, and is released. Government doesn't get to decide, after the fact, that the convict was given too light a sentence, and impose additional punishments beyond what was originally sentenced, unless and until the convict commits additional crimes, and is convicted thereof.

Parole is a condition under which a convict may be released from prison before having completed his full sentence; not a way that he can be held beyond his sentence.

Of course, no sane, civilized society would ever sentence a mass murderer to only three months for each victim that he murdered. That would be an inexcusable betrayal of the general public, that the justice system has a duty to protect from such subhuman filth.

You seem to be trying to praise Norway for being “humane” in never sentencing a criminal to more than twenty-one-years, no matter hos serious the crime, no matter how much of a threat the subhuman criminal piece of shit may pose to actual human beings; and then defending an apparent power on Norway's part, even to betray the convicted, by refusing to release them once the sentence has been fulfilled. This is seriously fucked-up, in two opposite directions at once.

 

[Donald H]

I was thinking about simpler, less ambiguous, “in your face” examples.


* Norwegian citizens (for example) are allowed to travel to every country on earth.

* American citizens, on the other hand, have been forbidden by US law to travel to Vietnam, North Korea, Cuba, Rhodesia, etc. et. etc.

I had no idea Americans were forbidden access to all those countries.

Maybe 'motherhood' can be used as justification for America's decisions regarding all those countries.

How about: If you rub elbows with commies, some of it will rub off on you and it will make its way back home.

 

[Donald H]

Under any sane, civilized society's system of justice, if one is convicted of a crime, and is sentenced to X years in prison, when he has served those X years in prison,

No, that's wrong again Bob. Norway has simply built into their system, a point at which professionals are given the power to decide if the prisoner is ready to be released into society.

Your extremist attitude has caused you to be unable to understand a very simple concept.

And once again, Norway has empowered professionals to make decisions that extreme rightist American would themselves advocate. The only difference being that Norway leaves the decision to professionals.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

No, that's wrong again Bob. Norway has simply built into their system, a point at which professionals are given the power to decide if the prisoner is ready to be released into society.

Your extremist attitude has caused you to be unable to understand a very simple concept.

And once again, Norway has empowered professionals to make decisions that extreme rightist American would themselves advocate. The only difference being that Norway leaves the decision to professionals.

Right.

“Professionals” are given the power to decide to hold a person prisoner, who has not committed any crime for which he has not already fulfilled any valid sentence that he was given for it.

That is certainly more in line with the principles of the old Союз Советских Социалистических Республик, than with any civilized society.

Perhaps they can even bring back the old вялотеку́щая шизофрени́я as a psychiatric diagnosis, to hold people prisoner in mental hospitals that they cannot conveniently convict of crimes.

 

[GLASNOST]

I had no idea Americans were forbidden access to all those countries.

I have (with my own eyes) seen American passports where it is stated clearly on the inside cover that visiting one or more of those (depending upon the year) can lead to "fines", "imprisonment", and even "loss of American citizenship". Those are the ones I've actually seen. I can guess that several more have been added or replaced since then.

How about: If you rub elbows with commies, some of it will rub off on you and it will make its way back home.

I'm sure it's similar to the Berlin Wall where the West stated it was to keep people from escaping and the East said it was to keep people from invading. So, I'm sure the official Washington line is "fear of being kidnapped" but your explanation is much more plausible.