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000 541 to 540 Mormonism and Catholicism were not present in the thirteen British colonies in any significant way when the rational theist Thomas Jefferson wrote sand signed a declaration of independence from the Protestant King thus separating his life knowledge snd wealth from the abnormality of a Christian Nation.

“I have faith that the Constitution will be saved as prophesied by Joseph Smith,” Benson said in a 1986 speech at Brigham Young University celebrating the anniversary of the Constitution. “It will be saved by enlightened members of this Church — men and women who will subscribe to and abide by the principles of the Constitution.”

Ezra Taft Benson, 13th president of the LDS church, was still talking about the main idea behind the White Horse.

Or your church's position is wrong and self serving. Is Joseph Smith a God?

According to Jefferson’s devotion to natural law and separation of church and state the Catholic Church’s position is wrong.

To Jefferson, everything having to do with the divinity of Jesus Christ and Virgin Mary is wrong including the offshoot Protestant reformed direction.

Read more about Ezra Taft Benson and “the white horse”. here;

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ding xxvi. LINK TO Tocqueville with no comment: •¥•. One Nation Under God: Alexis de Tocqueville. “The safeguard of morality is religion, and morality is the best security of law as well as the surest pledge of freedom. The Americans combine the notions of Christianity and of liberty so intimately in their minds, that it is impossible to make them conceive the one without the other Christianity is the companion of liberty in all its conflicts -- the cradle of its infancy, and the divine source of its claims.” dvng 180303 Stjcna00026

 

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And here is where your opinion does on the wrong cross. The people were not looking to be taught. The “people” were the temple rabbi leaders who were attempting to show he is a blasphemer and a fraud. You should know this. But, apparently you are agreeing with the fraudsters. Bad company to be in.
They attempted to stone him. Of course they knew he was talking about them. No need to stone him if he wasn’t. Logic is not your churches strong point.
Aside from that, he said “I SAID” making it clear he told the Jews WHO ASKED THE QUESTIONS he is their God, Jehovah. Who do you think Jesus was talking to? The wall?

Can you cite the verse that shows what they were asking Jesus?

And can you cite the verse where Jesus said all those who accept Him are gods or sons of God as well?

 

[Cougarbear]

Or your church's position is wrong and self serving. Is Joseph Smith a God?

They attempted to stone Jesus because Jesus told them the good news that they are gods too?

Are you like in 3rd grade that you can’t understand simple English? What’s the matter with you? Seriously!

I never said anyone who has lived on this earth is the God of their own universe yet. Jesus said you are a god, not me. You don’t have the intelligence capacity to be the God of any universe. You can’t read.
How many times do I have to write that they attempted to stone Jesus (Jehovah) because he claimed to be Jehovah, their God.

 

[Cougarbear]

Can you cite the verse that shows what they were asking Jesus?

And can you cite the verse where Jesus said all those who accept Him are gods or sons of God as well?

Already have. No need to beat your head against your wall because you will never understand simple English.

 

[irosie91]

Are you like in 3rd grade that you can’t understand simple English? What’s the matter with you? Seriously!

I never said anyone who has lived on this earth is the God of their own universe yet. Jesus said you are a god, not me. You don’t have the intelligence capacity to be the God of any universe. You can’t read.
How many times do I have to write that they attempted to stone Jesus (Jehovah) because he claimed to be Jehovah, their God.

I missed it----who attempted to stone Jesus? by what
authority and for what reason?

 

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Are you like in 3rd grade that you can’t understand simple English? What’s the matter with you? Seriously!

I never said anyone who has lived on this earth is the God of their own universe yet. Jesus said you are a god, not me. You don’t have the intelligence capacity to be the God of any universe. You can’t read.
How many times do I have to write that they attempted to stone Jesus (Jehovah) because he claimed to be Jehovah, their God.

According to you Jesus was making the grand announcement that men are gods. Right?

 

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Already have. No need to beat your head against your wall because you will never understand simple English.

But you didn't. Link to it if you think you did. Because we both know you didn't because there is no verse that says what you are claiming.

Can you cite the verse that shows what they were asking Jesus?

And can you cite the verse where Jesus said all those who accept Him are gods or sons of God as well?

 

[irosie91]

According to you Jesus was making the grand announcement that men are gods. Right?

I missed it---where in the NT does Jesus say "you are 'gods' "
and in what language is it purported that he made that
comment and what is the WORD for 'god' used? Seems to
me a problem with translation

 

[ding]

I missed it---where in the NT does Jesus say "you are 'gods' "
and in what language is it purported that he made that
comment and what is the WORD for 'god' used? Seems to
me a problem with translation

He doesn't but the LDS twist it out of context to serve their purpose. John 10:34.

 

[BreezeWood]

How many times do I have to write that they attempted to stone Jesus (Jehovah) because he claimed to be Jehovah, their God.

moses, whoever wrote in their name for whatever reason - did not understand - a&e chose self determination in order to persist in the everlasting as those already there -

that requires purity, triumph over evil as the goal set by the heavens for all beings - jesus only claimed being a god is the only admission to the everlasting possible, there is no jehovah than being a one time influence as all in the heavens are equals.

 

[Cougarbear]

I missed it----who attempted to stone Jesus? by what
authority and for what reason?

The Jews attempted to stone him. John 10. Verses 31 and 39. All for blasphemy making himself a a God stated in verse 33. Now, go do something important that you can handle intellectually.

 

[Cougarbear]

According to you Jesus was making the grand announcement that men are gods. Right?

John 10:34, "Jesus ANSWERED them, Is it not written in YOUR law, I SAID, Ye are gods?" I didn't say it. It's not according to me. It's specifically saying "I SAID" referring that Jesus said it. Why is it so hard for you to read? Jesus said he said he gave them this information in Psalms 82:6, their law. The Jew's laws or OT.

 

[Cougarbear]

But you didn't. Link to it if you think you did. Because we both know you didn't because there is no verse that says what you are claiming.

Can you cite the verse that shows what they were asking Jesus?

And can you cite the verse where Jesus said all those who accept Him are gods or sons of God as well?

I most certainly did. And, if you will continue reading verses 35 through 38, you will see that this is true if they would believe that He is the Son of God. End of story.

 

[Cougarbear]

moses, whoever wrote in their name for whatever reason - did not understand - a&e chose self determination in order to persist in the everlasting as those already there -

that requires purity, triumph over evil as the goal set by the heavens for all beings - jesus only claimed being a god is the only admission to the everlasting possible, there is no jehovah than being a one time influence as all in the heavens are equals.

Jehovah is the God of the Old Testament. When Jesus said "I SAID, Ye are gods" that should help understand Jesus is Jehovah.

 

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John 10:34, "Jesus ANSWERED them, Is it not written in YOUR law, I SAID, Ye are gods?" I didn't say it. It's not according to me. It's specifically saying "I SAID" referring that Jesus said it. Why is it so hard for you to read? Jesus said he said he gave them this information in Psalms 82:6, their law. The Jew's laws or OT.

It is according to you because if it were according to Jesus the Jews he spoke it to would have been happy to hear they were gods too.

 

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I most certainly did. And, if you will continue reading verses 35 through 38, you will see that this is true if they would believe that He is the Son of God. End of story.

You didn't because you can't because it's not there. And rather than admitting your error you are trying to hide from it like Adam and Eve hid.

 

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Jehovah is the God of the Old Testament. When Jesus said "I SAID, Ye are gods" that should help understand Jesus is Jehovah.

You know who else tried to convince humans they could become gods? The serpent in the garden.

Now the snake was the most cunning of all the wild animals that the LORD God had made. He asked the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You shall not eat from any of the trees in the garden’?” The woman answered the snake: “We may eat of the fruit of the trees in the garden; it is only about the fruit of the tree in the middle of the garden that God said, ‘You shall not eat it or even touch it, or else you will die.’” But the snake said to the woman: “You certainly will not die! God knows well that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened and you will be like gods, who know good and evil.”

 

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Old Joe Smith and the serpent in the garden. Two peas in a pod.

 

[BreezeWood]

Old Joe Smith and the serpent in the garden. Two peas in a pod.

you've errored ... eve and adam were given the choice between servitude,

to the serpent - moses and their false commandments as they, judaism have claimed ... or

self determination to live freely in the heaves as equals to those already there, they chose self determination with final judgement for their effort and if successful admission to the everlasting.

 

[ding]

you've errored ... eve and adam were given the choice between servitude,

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to the serpent - moses and their false commandments as they, judaism have claimed ... or

self determination to live freely in the heaves as equals to those already there, they chose self determination with final judgement for their effort and if successful admission to the everlasting.

That’s some interpretation you made up there.