Marxist Pelosi Fixing Law to Eliminate God from Oath in House. Vote!

[Missouri_Mike]

Do any of you really think God is going to continue to bless a nation who...

Half their population boo when asked if they want him as part of their platform for their party?

Are cheering laws allowing not justthe murder of unborn children but the woman carrying that child celebrating the death?

A nation that can’t even figure out who is a man or a woman?

A nation who praises and worships government above all else. And even uses his word as justification as if they are equals?

I don’t think we have much to worry about God wise. He’s not going to be here for us as a nation.

 

[Dale Smith]

This speech was delivered by Barack Obama in 2006, attacking Christianity using Old Testament (Old Covenant) particulars, and a specious reference to Christ's Sermon on the Mount:

​

Didn't watch. Irrelevant.

Because it destroys your contention that the commie leftists don't hold Christianity in such contempt?

"Contempt" is also irrelevant. "Contempt" is a value judgment, referring in this case to an entity that is simply NOT PRESENT.

Once AGAIN for the dimbulbs, we are not a theocracy. Never have been. Ergo there is no call for a "god" or "goddess" in the government. PERIOD.

Our rights come from our Creator, not a benevolent "gubermint" that believes that they can grant "privileges" as if they were some kind of "parental team". PERIOD.

The founding fathers recognized God........

No Twinkles, our rights come from the Constitution. As regards our country that IS the Creator.

Bullshit....you are claiming this "country" gave me my rights to exist and thus given permission? Get the fuck out of here with that weak ass shit.

 

[cnm]

I don’t think we have much to worry about God wise. He’s not going to be here for us as a nation.

Amazing. You think he was before? When you were eliminating the Indians, for example? Or treating people as property? You guys have some exceptional delusions going on.

 

[Pogo]

Didn't watch. Irrelevant.

Because it destroys your contention that the commie leftists don't hold Christianity in such contempt?

"Contempt" is also irrelevant. "Contempt" is a value judgment, referring in this case to an entity that is simply NOT PRESENT.

Once AGAIN for the dimbulbs, we are not a theocracy. Never have been. Ergo there is no call for a "god" or "goddess" in the government. PERIOD.

Our rights come from our Creator, not a benevolent "gubermint" that believes that they can grant "privileges" as if they were some kind of "parental team". PERIOD.

The founding fathers recognized God........

No Twinkles, our rights come from the Constitution. As regards our country that IS the Creator.

Bullshit....you are claiming this "country" gave me my rights to exist and thus given permission? Get the fuck out of here with that weak ass shit.

Typical flailing parting shot for those with no argument: "get the fuck outta here with that weak ass shit". Because the facts are always inconvenient for the mythologists.

The question here is not whether "so help me god" should be dropped from some oaths. The question is, why was it ever there in the first place? And the answer to that is --- blowback from those religio-fascists who resent being shown the door in the eighteenth century and have been trying to wiggle their way back in ever since.

What, after all, is the point in beseeching "help" from a sky pixie that nobody can prove even exists? Is that not the same as asking for no help at all? In that case why even bring it up at all?

One of the new Congresscritters --- I forget who --- recently took their oath on a copy of the Constitution rather than the Holey Babbel. Inasmuch as the Constitution is actually what they're there for, that makes a HELL of a lot more sense. But I dunno, maybe there are priests or ministers somewhere taking an oath with a copy of the Constitution?

 

[Ambivalent1]

Do any of you really think God is going to continue to bless a nation who...

Half their population boo when asked if they want him as part of their platform for their party?

Are cheering laws allowing not justthe murder of unborn children but the woman carrying that child celebrating the death?

A nation that can’t even figure out who is a man or a woman?

A nation who praises and worships government above all else. And even uses his word as justification as if they are equals?

I don’t think we have much to worry about God wise. He’s not going to be here for us as a nation.

Well it would be a mistake to dismiss His involvement with His people. He will always be there for me, it's the definition of "being there" that confuses people.

 

[Pogo]

Do any of you really think God is going to continue to bless a nation who...

Half their population boo when asked if they want him as part of their platform for their party?

Way back at the start I posed the question of what "god" has to do with a government that is not a theocracy. Or with a political party involved with that government.

I have yet to get an answer. Not that there is one.

 

[Ambivalent1]

She has a majority, The DNC announced a few campaigns back they were going atheist

Oh did they. Link?

What does a political party have to do with religion anyway? How could one "go atheist" or "go theist" or "go Buddhist" or whatever? How is it related?

Haven't found it yet. I watched it, but can't remember the year. I did find this article on a similar vein, Pogo, but I will continue looking for what I witnessed on tv that evening of the Democrat Primary, way back when. Thank you for your patience.

Here's so far what I found: THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY’S WAR ON CHRISTIANITY

Excerpt (more at link above)
It all began on June 25th, 1962. The United States Supreme Court decided in Engel v. Vitale that a prayer approved by the New York Board of Regents for use in schools violated the First Amendment by constituting an establishment of religion.

The following year, in Abington School District v. Schempp, the Court found Bible readings in public schools also in violation of the First Amendment. (Reliion and Politics

These two landmark Supreme Court decisions started the war against the Christian religion in the US, because these laws effectively removed all mention of the Christian God from public schools.

~~~

During Podesta’s tenure as chairman of the 2016 Hillary Clinton presidential campaign, his emails were hacked and released to the press. The hacked emails provided evidence of animosity toward Republican Catholics by Hillary’s top campaign staffers.

In an email from John Halpin, Center for American Progress fellow, to Clinton aide Jennifer Palmieri, Halpin noted several prominent conservatives were Catholics and accused them of “an amazing bastardization of the [Catholic] faith.”

Palmieri’s response was that wealthy people find conservatism more acceptable from Catholics than from Evangelicals.

Halpin said, “They must be attracted to the systematic thought and severely backwards gender relations and must be totally unaware of Christian democracy.”​

Oh, Becki......

I'm afraid upholding the Constitutional prohibition on religion in government does not constitute a "war on Christianity" ---- unless you were first expecting "Christianity" to be in charge of the government.

And that's exactly what the Founders who wrote that Constitution were trying to distance themselves from ---- a world where the Clergy and the Aristocracy ran everything.

"Constitutional prohibition on religion in government"

Typical back asswards "interpretation.

"
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

You see it was written to Gov out of Religion. Glad I could help.

You didn't. You went 'splat'. But nice to see you trying, Danth.

Nope, you were shown to be the partisan blind hack you are.

 

[Ambivalent1]

This speech was delivered by Barack Obama in 2006, attacking Christianity using Old Testament (Old Covenant) particulars, and a specious reference to Christ's Sermon on the Mount:

​

Didn't watch. Irrelevant.

Because it destroys your contention that the commie leftists don't hold Christianity in such contempt?

"Contempt" is also irrelevant. "Contempt" is a value judgment, referring in this case to an entity that is simply NOT PRESENT.

Once AGAIN for the dimbulbs, we are not a theocracy. Never have been. Ergo there is no call for a "god" or "goddess" in the government. PERIOD.

This government is comprised of "We the People". It is NOT comprised of "We the People plus these imaginary friends". That simply is not going to happen.

Nobody ever claimed that the US was a Theocracy, Progressives thrive on illogical extremes.

 

[Pogo]

This speech was delivered by Barack Obama in 2006, attacking Christianity using Old Testament (Old Covenant) particulars, and a specious reference to Christ's Sermon on the Mount:

​

Didn't watch. Irrelevant.

Because it destroys your contention that the commie leftists don't hold Christianity in such contempt?

"Contempt" is also irrelevant. "Contempt" is a value judgment, referring in this case to an entity that is simply NOT PRESENT.

Once AGAIN for the dimbulbs, we are not a theocracy. Never have been. Ergo there is no call for a "god" or "goddess" in the government. PERIOD.

This government is comprised of "We the People". It is NOT comprised of "We the People plus these imaginary friends". That simply is not going to happen.

Nobody ever claimed that the US was a Theocracy, Progressives thrive on illogical extremes.

Progressives have been dead for a hundred years. Meanwhile back here at the topic, a theocracy is the only reason there would be a god in government. And you admit we are not one, so ----------- we be done.

 

[Ambivalent1]

This speech was delivered by Barack Obama in 2006, attacking Christianity using Old Testament (Old Covenant) particulars, and a specious reference to Christ's Sermon on the Mount:

​

Didn't watch. Irrelevant.

Because it destroys your contention that the commie leftists don't hold Christianity in such contempt?

"Contempt" is also irrelevant. "Contempt" is a value judgment, referring in this case to an entity that is simply NOT PRESENT.

Once AGAIN for the dimbulbs, we are not a theocracy. Never have been. Ergo there is no call for a "god" or "goddess" in the government. PERIOD.

This government is comprised of "We the People". It is NOT comprised of "We the People plus these imaginary friends". That simply is not going to happen.

Nobody ever claimed that the US was a Theocracy, Progressives thrive on illogical extremes.

Progressives have been dead for a hundred years. Meanwhile back here at the topic, a theocracy is the only reason there would be a god in government. And you admit we are not one, so ----------- we be done.

Nope, even Hillary claims to be a "T

 

[beautress]

I voted NO

PeLousy can not and will not eliminate

GOD from the house vote

she is another piece of Satanist ....like her sister Hillary Clinton

both will burn in Hell!

BOTH.

She has a majority, The DNC announced a few campaigns back they were going atheist

Oh did they. Link?

What does a political party have to do with religion anyway? How could one "go atheist" or "go theist" or "go Buddhist" or whatever? How is it related?

Haven't found it yet. I watched it, but can't remember the year. I did find this article on a similar vein, Pogo, but I will continue looking for what I witnessed on tv that evening of the Democrat Primary, way back when. Thank you for your patience.

Here's so far what I found: THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY’S WAR ON CHRISTIANITY

Excerpt (more at link above)
It all began on June 25th, 1962. The United States Supreme Court decided in Engel v. Vitale that a prayer approved by the New York Board of Regents for use in schools violated the First Amendment by constituting an establishment of religion.

The following year, in Abington School District v. Schempp, the Court found Bible readings in public schools also in violation of the First Amendment. (Reliion and Politics

These two landmark Supreme Court decisions started the war against the Christian religion in the US, because these laws effectively removed all mention of the Christian God from public schools.

~~~

During Podesta’s tenure as chairman of the 2016 Hillary Clinton presidential campaign, his emails were hacked and released to the press. The hacked emails provided evidence of animosity toward Republican Catholics by Hillary’s top campaign staffers.

In an email from John Halpin, Center for American Progress fellow, to Clinton aide Jennifer Palmieri, Halpin noted several prominent conservatives were Catholics and accused them of “an amazing bastardization of the [Catholic] faith.”

Palmieri’s response was that wealthy people find conservatism more acceptable from Catholics than from Evangelicals.

Halpin said, “They must be attracted to the systematic thought and severely backwards gender relations and must be totally unaware of Christian democracy.”​

Oh, Becki......

I'm afraid upholding the Constitutional prohibition on religion in government does not constitute a "war on Christianity" ---- unless you were first expecting "Christianity" to be in charge of the government.

And that's exactly what the Founders who wrote that Constitution were trying to distance themselves from ---- a world where the Clergy and the Aristocracy ran everything.

Pogo, I'm afraid you would be very shocked if you ever read all of President George Washington's letters, speeches, everything. He never failed to mention America's debt to the Lord Jesus Christ, God the Creator of Heaven and Earth, and the works.

The reason Christian Pilgrims came here to found a nation independent of Religious persecution of the patronizing class of Royals in every major European country had nothing but hatred and vengeful behaviors leveled against Christian people.

In Rome, Christians were beheaded, thrown to dogs, then to lions, and the remains were decimated unscrupulously.

This went on for over 300 years.

When Constantine became the Roman Emperor, he replaced idol worship with Christianity and did away with all persecution of Christ's believers. Before Rome fell, only one of Constantine's successors brought back persecution to Christians.

America's founders were of Pilgrim stock. They fled Europe, hoping for peace in a new land.

The reason the founders who presented a Declaration of Independence from the Monarch of England were almost all Pilgrim/Christian believers. They were keenly aware that persecution from anywhere needed to be addressed by the people on this continent, and Charles wanted tax money from the people here, but he refused to allow a single colonial citizen into his court, much to the American's perception of misery, so they rebelled and threw off Monarchy for once and for all and began determining their own destiny, now free of Euro-English persecution and patronization, not to mention unfair taxation.

Those of us who were educated in traditional Churches from Colonial time know the score. If we allow people to remove our beliefs from the country our forbears fought so hard against persecutors for, there are no guarantees for our safety.

Noticed any persecutions in the Middle East lately? It's on hold, just like here.

We cannot let our own lawmakers undo what it took us 200 years to establish safety measures for our kind. Our huge mistake was taking elementary and higher learning out of the church. Our beliefs and defensive measures have been pilloried by those who truly hate fundamentalist Christians for their great enthusiasm. That isn't right.

If you take out our protections first by removing God from oaths, then by a little more, and then by a little more, and then by yet more, you get the refusal of a few people hating on Christians to remove prayer from schools, and now God from the House of Representatives, but only because Democrats want this really, really bad to take away all references to God whose word is supportive of life and not abortion, which is what a certain type of lifestyle is most comfortable with but devastates Christian families whose youth have been entrusted to all kinds of people so harsh on Christianity because they rejected it in their household when growing up.

Please do not expect Christians to lay back for the removal of our security to be able to worship God as we see fit.

I am horrified by this inching away at what we believe, and for what our fathers died for against those who persecuted the Pilgrims to get out of town in England, Holland, and Europe in the late 1500s and early 1600s. Like the destruction of Christian influence out of the Democrat Party's desire to live lives of horrific antichristianism, it will get worse and it will not get better.

We know as it is written that families will be divided as will nations as the world goes through the next phase after it gets rid of the annoyance antichristian people have against our Puritan beliefs written in the Bible, we want our country back.

I wasn't happy when Nancy Pelosi lorded her alleged greater importance than the rest of her Congressional Constituents, ignoring the SEnate entirely, and her feelings her power is superior to the President's that she intimated in her specious claim to power as Speaker of the HOuse, I'm thinking it's more than just President Trump she hates.

Apparently Pelosi hates all Protestants and does not want our legacy known to posterity. That has always been the trouble with Village control over other people--communism in fact--is that somebody has to die for spoiling this stranglehold that is so desirous in the breasts of socialists--they believe they are justified in murdering first the people in power and their families, and then strong leaders in the population who would interfere with their proliferation of all things against the Kingdom of God.

If you do not know this, and you are under the age of 30, you will see it happen if we do not stop this anti-Christ, anti-God and anti-founders of this nation, it will be taken as a favor by their wealthy friends who'd also like to take revenge on Christian America dating back to WWII when the muslim/Nazi coalition members were outsmjarted by Dwight Eisenhower. It ended the war in Europe, and the end of the war in Japan ended a few short months afterward.

Good night. I think some of the things that were said at that convention have been whitewashed out of the mainstream media. It shouldn't be this hard to find, but I just wanted to lay out the history of our religion for you, and because of my family, I cannot abandon our fellow Christians from the agreements we secured when we fought the Revolutionary War, and others as well, to get to this point of fairly socialist institutions are poised to strike down God using misinterpretations of the American laws put in place to protect Christians in particular. Most of us have no qualms with people of other backgrounds unless they go to the trouble of hijacking dozens of airplanes and driving them into the decimation of our Mation's closest-held belief that we ar epeople united to each other and doing whatever it takes to maintain our security so that we will not end up like the Jewish community in Germany when the brownshirts got tired of their wealth and influence.

 

[beautress]

Good night all. I'll come back sometime tomorrow as I can to read this thread and try to locate what the Democrat party would not rather that we recall or have any access to any longer so they can climax with the specious "you're a liar" claim.

 

[WheelieAddict]

It doesn't matter or make a lick of difference. Just something for religious fundie idiots to get their panties in a bunch about.

 

[Lakhota]

The founders gave us a "Godless" Constitution. The religious nuts should provide proof of their so-called God - or STFU.

 

[Ambivalent1]

Pogo
You're the only one worrying about a "theocracy" son. Make no mistake, millions of Gov workers do their jobs with their faith guiding them.

 

[Pogo]

I voted NO

PeLousy can not and will not eliminate

GOD from the house vote

she is another piece of Satanist ....like her sister Hillary Clinton

both will burn in Hell!

BOTH.

She has a majority, The DNC announced a few campaigns back they were going atheist

Oh did they. Link?

What does a political party have to do with religion anyway? How could one "go atheist" or "go theist" or "go Buddhist" or whatever? How is it related?

Haven't found it yet. I watched it, but can't remember the year. I did find this article on a similar vein, Pogo, but I will continue looking for what I witnessed on tv that evening of the Democrat Primary, way back when. Thank you for your patience.

Here's so far what I found: THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY’S WAR ON CHRISTIANITY

Excerpt (more at link above)
It all began on June 25th, 1962. The United States Supreme Court decided in Engel v. Vitale that a prayer approved by the New York Board of Regents for use in schools violated the First Amendment by constituting an establishment of religion.

The following year, in Abington School District v. Schempp, the Court found Bible readings in public schools also in violation of the First Amendment. (Reliion and Politics

These two landmark Supreme Court decisions started the war against the Christian religion in the US, because these laws effectively removed all mention of the Christian God from public schools.

~~~

During Podesta’s tenure as chairman of the 2016 Hillary Clinton presidential campaign, his emails were hacked and released to the press. The hacked emails provided evidence of animosity toward Republican Catholics by Hillary’s top campaign staffers.

In an email from John Halpin, Center for American Progress fellow, to Clinton aide Jennifer Palmieri, Halpin noted several prominent conservatives were Catholics and accused them of “an amazing bastardization of the [Catholic] faith.”

Palmieri’s response was that wealthy people find conservatism more acceptable from Catholics than from Evangelicals.

Halpin said, “They must be attracted to the systematic thought and severely backwards gender relations and must be totally unaware of Christian democracy.”​

Oh, Becki......

I'm afraid upholding the Constitutional prohibition on religion in government does not constitute a "war on Christianity" ---- unless you were first expecting "Christianity" to be in charge of the government.

And that's exactly what the Founders who wrote that Constitution were trying to distance themselves from ---- a world where the Clergy and the Aristocracy ran everything.

Pogo, I'm afraid you would be very shocked if you ever read all of President George Washington's letters, speeches, everything. He never failed to mention America's debt to the Lord Jesus Christ, God the Creator of Heaven and Earth, and the works.

The reason Christian Pilgrims came here to found a nation independent of Religious persecution of the patronizing class of Royals in every major European country had nothing but hatred and vengeful behaviors leveled against Christian people.

In Rome, Christians were beheaded, thrown to dogs, then to lions, and the remains were decimated unscrupulously.

This went on for over 300 years.

When Constantine became the Roman Emperor, he replaced idol worship with Christianity and did away with all persecution of Christ's believers. Before Rome fell, only one of Constantine's successors brought back persecution to Christians.

America's founders were of Pilgrim stock. They fled Europe, hoping for peace in a new land.

The reason the founders who presented a Declaration of Independence from the Monarch of England were almost all Pilgrim/Christian believers. They were keenly aware that persecution from anywhere needed to be addressed by the people on this continent, and Charles wanted tax money from the people here, but he refused to allow a single colonial citizen into his court, much to the American's perception of misery, so they rebelled and threw off Monarchy for once and for all and began determining their own destiny, now free of Euro-English persecution and patronization, not to mention unfair taxation.

Those of us who were educated in traditional Churches from Colonial time know the score. If we allow people to remove our beliefs from the country our forbears fought so hard against persecutors for, there are no guarantees for our safety.

Noticed any persecutions in the Middle East lately? It's on hold, just like here.

We cannot let our own lawmakers undo what it took us 200 years to establish safety measures for our kind. Our huge mistake was taking elementary and higher learning out of the church. Our beliefs and defensive measures have been pilloried by those who truly hate fundamentalist Christians for their great enthusiasm. That isn't right.

If you take out our protections first by removing God from oaths, then by a little more, and then by a little more, and then by yet more, you get the refusal of a few people hating on Christians to remove prayer from schools, and now God from the House of Representatives, but only because Democrats want this really, really bad to take away all references to God whose word is supportive of life and not abortion, which is what a certain type of lifestyle is most comfortable with but devastates Christian families whose youth have been entrusted to all kinds of people so harsh on Christianity because they rejected it in their household when growing up.

Please do not expect Christians to lay back for the removal of our security to be able to worship God as we see fit.

I am horrified by this inching away at what we believe, and for what our fathers died for against those who persecuted the Pilgrims to get out of town in England, Holland, and Europe in the late 1500s and early 1600s. Like the destruction of Christian influence out of the Democrat Party's desire to live lives of horrific antichristianism, it will get worse and it will not get better.

We know as it is written that families will be divided as will nations as the world goes through the next phase after it gets rid of the annoyance antichristian people have against our Puritan beliefs written in the Bible, we want our country back.

I wasn't happy when Nancy Pelosi lorded her alleged greater importance than the rest of her Congressional Constituents, ignoring the SEnate entirely, and her feelings her power is superior to the President's that she intimated in her specious claim to power as Speaker of the HOuse, I'm thinking it's more than just President Trump she hates.

Apparently Pelosi hates all Protestants and does not want our legacy known to posterity. That has always been the trouble with Village control over other people--communism in fact--is that somebody has to die for spoiling this stranglehold that is so desirous in the breasts of socialists--they believe they are justified in murdering first the people in power and their families, and then strong leaders in the population who would interfere with their proliferation of all things against the Kingdom of God.

If you do not know this, and you are under the age of 30, you will see it happen if we do not stop this anti-Christ, anti-God and anti-founders of this nation, it will be taken as a favor by their wealthy friends who'd also like to take revenge on Christian America dating back to WWII when the muslim/Nazi coalition members were outsmjarted by Dwight Eisenhower. It ended the war in Europe, and the end of the war in Japan ended a few short months afterward.

Good night. I think some of the things that were said at that convention have been whitewashed out of the mainstream media. It shouldn't be this hard to find, but I just wanted to lay out the history of our religion for you, and because of my family, I cannot abandon our fellow Christians from the agreements we secured when we fought the Revolutionary War, and others as well, to get to this point of fairly socialist institutions are poised to strike down God using misinterpretations of the American laws put in place to protect Christians in particular. Most of us have no qualms with people of other backgrounds unless they go to the trouble of hijacking dozens of airplanes and driving them into the decimation of our Mation's closest-held belief that we ar epeople united to each other and doing whatever it takes to maintain our security so that we will not end up like the Jewish community in Germany when the brownshirts got tired of their wealth and influence.

Oh Becki please. That's a ton of mythology propaganda, and no I don't buy for a second that George Washington was a Jesus freak. Not that it would have mattered; once again the whole idea of Liberalism, the grand experiment of this country and its Constitution, was that government exists at the pleasure of the people and NOT under the thumb of the Aristocracy and the Church --- the First and Second "Estates" --- that held sway up to that time. England had a king and a state church. So did Spain. And France. And Portugal. We left all that behind. LEAVE IT THERE already.

 

[Flopper]

Pelosi to strike "so help me God" from oath taken in front of key House Committee

​

Liz Cheney said that the Democrat Party has become the Party of Karl Marx.

What do you think of this latest assault on American values by Nancy Pelosi?

The next step is throwing Christians to the Lions. Enough!

OK, I'm a radical believer in God. What's your take on this latest assault on tradition.. I mean, ...eh...power play??

Please vote. And keep the lockstep ninnyhammering to a minimum, please.

Allowing an affirmation in place of Oath is legal in every court in the country when giving evidence and also in most state and federal oath's of office.

These modifications were originally introduced in order to accommodate those who feel uncomfortable swearing religious oaths, such as Quakers, as well as to accommodate the irreligious. It was affirmed in the United States vs Ward. Changing the House Rules bring the House in line with the law and also the Senate. It has been the law now for 40 years.

 

[Ambivalent1]

The founders gave us a "Godless" Constitution. The religious nuts should provide proof of their so-called God - or STFU.

Nobody is required to prove anything to you. You also have no power to make anyone "shut up".

 

[Lakhota]

Pogo
You're the only one worrying about a "theocracy" son. Make no mistake, millions of Gov workers do their jobs with their faith guiding them.

Which faith? Which God?

 

[Pogo]

Pogo
You're the only one worrying about a "theocracy" son. Make no mistake, millions of Gov workers do their jobs with their faith guiding them.

Like I give a shit. Individuals can, and should, do what they like. But the government, cannot.