Man w/ CCW (concealed carry) opens fire on kids at pool

[M14 Shooter]

When you mishandle a gun to the point that he did, it is criminal negligence, and he was damned lucky no one was killed or injured.

According to the story, the gun was in his pocket.
What evidence is there that he handled it at all?

 

[there4eyeM]

So, those in the crowd at Kent State should have fired back at their attackers?

 

[there4eyeM]

When you mishandle a gun to the point that he did, it is criminal negligence, and he was damned lucky no one was killed or injured.

According to the story, the gun was in his pocket.
What evidence is there that he handled it at all?

Someone else put his or her hand in his pocket? Maybe one of the children?
Or, do you seriously want us to believe the gun discharged by the will of 'God'?

 

[Indofred]

And yet, the number of gun-related murder and accidental deaths continues its more than 2-decade decline.

Quite so, there were only 372 mass shootings, 64 of them in schools, and only 13,286 people killed by guns.
Clearly a wonderful situation.

 

[2aguy]

And yet, the number of gun-related murder and accidental deaths continues its more than 2-decade decline.

Quite so, there were only 372 mass shootings, 64 of them in schools, and only 13,286 people killed by guns.
Clearly a wonderful situation.

Wrong...could you link to your source on mass shootings...let me guess...Shootingtracker.com? They lied to you....they count gang bangers shooting each other over a dice game as a mass shooting...sorry...they lied. Mass shootings have an actual definition...we had a total of 4 last year and two of those were Muslim terrorists.....

I have repeatedly posted the list of actual mass shootings researched by Mother Jones.......notice..and pay attention......Mother Jones is a left wing, anti gun magazine..they hate guns......and they made a list.......I have linked to it.......they use the actual definition...and criminal activity is not on the list.........

Please, link your source.......is it shootingtracker?

 

[2aguy]

And yet, the number of gun-related murder and accidental deaths continues its more than 2-decade decline.

Quite so, there were only 372 mass shootings, 64 of them in schools, and only 13,286 people killed by guns.
Clearly a wonderful situation.

Okay twit....here is the truth.......moron.....or did you get it from Everytown or Moms demand action.....that school number...was also looked at when they did school shootings....almost all of them were not actually school shootings...they were gangs shooting near the school, suicides in the parking lot after hours.....so again....the only way anti gun nuts can push their arguments against guns is to lie ...because nothing they believe about guns in the United States is true...the facts, the truth, and reality show that guns are owned responsibly by Americans.....

Here you go...the number of mass public shootings according to Mother Jones...rabid, anti gun, left wing news source.....not the NRA...

If you actually go to the link, you can read the facts from the actual events....the shooter, his weapon, the location and the deaths and casualties......but unlike Shootingtracker...you won't find stories of gang bangers at parties shooting each other over girlfriends and dice games....


US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation


2015....4

2014....2

2013....5

2012....7

2011....3

2010....1

2009....4

2008....3

2007....4

2006....3

2005...2

2004....1

2003...1

2002 not listed so more than likely 0

2001....1

1999....5

1998...3

1997....2

1996....1

1995...1

1994...1

1993...4

1992...2

1991...3

1990...1

1989...2

1988....1

1987...1

1986...1

1985...0

1984...2

1983...0

1982...1
US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation



How many deaths on average according to Mother Jones...anti gun, uber left wing Mother Jones.......each year, well less than 73.

2015......37
2014..... 9
2013..... 36
2012..... 72
2011..... 19
2010....9
2009...39
2008...18
2007...54
2006...21
2005...17
2004...5
2003...7
2002...not listed by mother jones
2001...5
2000...7

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf


Cars, Accidental deaths 2013......35,369

Poisons...accidental deaths 2013....38,851

Alcohol...accidental deaths 2013...29,001

gravity....accidental falling deaths 2013...30,208
Accidental drowning.....3,391
Accidental exposure to smoke, fire and flames.....2,760

Deaths from mass shootings 2015..... 37

Those are the numbers of deaths from mass shootings in the United States.....and even in the big year, 2012, they didn't break 72 deaths by mass shooters.

How many guns are there in American hands....357,000,000 million.

How many people carry guns for self defense...over 13 million.

Yeah.....you really, really need to stop listening to anti-gun nut job sites......they lie...that is all they have....

 

[Indofred]

Try this one

1,052 mass shootings in 1,066 days: this is what America's gun crisis looks like

4 per week is a closer number

 

[Indofred]

Cars, Accidental deaths 2013......35,369

Ah, so people being killed by guns is fine because people get killed by other things.
That's a moronic argument.

 

[2aguy]

Try this one

1,052 mass shootings in 1,066 days: this is what America's gun crisis looks like

4 per week is a closer number

Wrong...that is a lie......Mother JOnes is tracking mass shootings.......try again.....

 

[2aguy]

Cars, Accidental deaths 2013......35,369

Ah, so people being killed by guns is fine because people get killed by other things.
That's a moronic argument.

Yep.....I knew it...you are using ShootingTracker.......a site which says that if a group of gang bangers at a party gets mad about a girlfriend or dice game and they pull their 9s out and start shooting each other...that is a mass shooting according to Shootingtracker....

Check their site.....you can read thestories....they have to lie to pad their numbers....

I have posted the real list.....

Here it is again....

Here you go...the number of mass public shootings according to Mother Jones...rabid, anti gun, left wing news source.....not the NRA...


US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation


2015....4

2014....2

2013....5

2012....7

2011....3

2010....1

2009....4

2008....3

2007....4

2006....3

2005...2

2004....1

2003...1

2002 not listed so more than likely 0

2001....1

1999....5

1998...3

1997....2

1996....1

1995...1

1994...1

1993...4

1992...2

1991...3

1990...1

1989...2

1988....1

1987...1

1986...1

1985...0

1984...2

1983...0

1982...1
US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation



How many deaths on average according to Mother Jones...anti gun, uber left wing Mother Jones.......each year, well less than 73.

2015......37
2014..... 9
2013..... 36
2012..... 72
2011..... 19
2010....9
2009...39
2008...18
2007...54
2006...21
2005...17
2004...5
2003...7
2002...not listed by mother jones
2001...5
2000...7

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf


Cars, Accidental deaths 2013......35,369

Poisons...accidental deaths 2013....38,851

Alcohol...accidental deaths 2013...29,001

gravity....accidental falling deaths 2013...30,208
Accidental drowning.....3,391
Accidental exposure to smoke, fire and flames.....2,760

Deaths from mass shootings 2015..... 37

Accidental gun deaths 2013......505


Those are the numbers of deaths from mass shootings in the United States.....and even in the big year, 2012, they didn't break 72 deaths by mass shooters.

How many guns are there in American hands....357 million.

How many people carry guns for self defense...over 13 million.

 

[2aguy]

Cars, Accidental deaths 2013......35,369

Ah, so people being killed by guns is fine because people get killed by other things.
That's a moronic argument.

no moron......Americans use guns 1,500,000 times a year to save lives and stop violent criminal attack.........

And the low level of death attributed to actual mass shootings means that there is no reason to disarm 357,000,000 guns from law abiding gun owners over 70 deaths a year...when cars accidentally kill 35,000 people a year...

moron.

 

[M14 Shooter]

And yet, the number of gun-related murder and accidental deaths continues its more than 2-decade decline.

Quite so, there were only 372 mass shootings, 64 of them in schools, and only 13,286 people killed by guns.
Clearly a wonderful situation.

I'd ask you for a citation, but we both know you cannot supply anything credible.

 

[2aguy]

And yet, the number of gun-related murder and accidental deaths continues its more than 2-decade decline.

Quite so, there were only 372 mass shootings, 64 of them in schools, and only 13,286 people killed by guns.
Clearly a wonderful situation.

I'd ask you for a citation, but we both know you cannot supply anything credible.

He is using a source that links to shootingtracker.com.

 

[Indofred]

Over a thousand every month

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8

or are the FBI liars?

Damn these government agencies, all getting together to tell the same lies.
What bastards.

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf#page=27

Then other cpeople use these official US figures to expose the reality of gun stupidity in the US.

Visualizing gun deaths - Comparing the U.S. to rest of the world

But the US gun nuts claim all these people are liars out to grab their guns for no reason.

 

[2aguy]

Over a thousand every month

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8

or are the FBI liars?

Damn these government agencies, all getting together to tell the same lies.
What bastards.

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf#page=27

Then other cpeople use these official US figures to expose the reality of gun stupidity in the US.

Visualizing gun deaths - Comparing the U.S. to rest of the world

But the US gun nuts claim all these people are liars out to grab their guns for no reason.

No moron.....what this shows is that the criminals in the U.S. are more willing to commit murder.....notice too....Mexico and Russia...both places with the strictest gun control and way higher gun murder rates than the U.S. are not on that chart.........

And again.....Britain confiscated guns...and what happened...their gun crime rate stayed the same...except for last year...it went up 4%.......

you guys cannot explain why our gun murder rate went down as more Americans not only bought guns....but actually started carrying them....our gun crime , our gun murder rate went down, not up as more people carried guns for self defense..........

 

[2aguy]

Over a thousand every month

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8

or are the FBI liars?

Damn these government agencies, all getting together to tell the same lies.
What bastards.

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf#page=27

Then other cpeople use these official US figures to expose the reality of gun stupidity in the US.

Visualizing gun deaths - Comparing the U.S. to rest of the world

But the US gun nuts claim all these people are liars out to grab their guns for no reason.

And the truth about that chart....it is a lie......because it excludes countries that have stricter gun control, and way higher gun murder rates than the U.S. ......

Here is a more accurate look at gun murder around the world...

More Realistic Comparisons Involve a Broader View of the World

Why not use the UN’s human development index instead? That would seem to make at least as much sense if we’re devoted to looking at “developed countries.”

So, let’s do that. Here we see that the OECD’s list contains Turkey, Bulgaria, Mexico, and Chile. So, if we're honest with ourselves, that must mean that other countries with similar human development rankings are also suitable for comparisons to the US.

Well, Turkey and Mexico have HDI numbers at .75. So, let’s include other countries with HDI numbers either similar or higher. That means we should include The Bahamas, Argentina, Costa Rica, Cuba, Panama, Uruguay, Venezuela, Russia, Lithuania, Belarus, Estonia, and Latvia.

You can see where this is going. If we include countries that have HDI numbers similar to — or at least as high as — OECD members Turkey and Mexico, we find that the picture for the United States murder rate looks very different (correctly using murder rates and not gun-deaths rates):

Wow, that US sure has a pretty low murder rate compared to all those countries that are comparable to some OECD members. In fact, Russia, Costa Rica and Lithuania have all been invited to begin the process of joining the OECD (Russia is on hold for obvious political reasons). But all those countries have higher murder rates than the US. (I wonder what excuse Fisher will manufacture for leaving off those countries after they join the OECD.)

Things get even more interesting if we add American states with low murder rates.

And why not include data from individual states? It has always been extremely imprecise and lazy to talk about the “US murder rate” The US is an immense country with a lot of variety in laws and demographics. (Mexico deserves the same analysis, by the way.) Many states have murder rates that place them on the short list of low-crime places in the world. Why do we conveniently ignore them?

The US murder rate is being driven up by a few high-murder states such as Maryland, Louisiana, South Carolina, Delaware, and Tennessee. In the spirit of selective use of data, let's just leave those states out of it, and look at some of the low-crime ones:




We see that OECD members Chile and Turkey have murder rates higher than Colorado.

Perhaps they should try adopting Colorado’s laws and allow sale of handguns and semi-automatic rifles to all non-felon adults. That might help them bring their murder rates down a little.

But you know that’s not the conclusion we're supposed to come to.Comparisons can never work in that direction. The comparisons should only be used to compare the US to countries with restrictive gun laws and low murder rates. Comparisons with countries that have restrictive gun laws (and/or few private guns) and murder rates similar to or higher than US rates (i.e., Latin America, the Caribbean and the Baltic States.)

Nevertheless, we have yet to see any objective reason why only OECD countries should be included or why countries similar in the HDI to Turkey and Mexico should be excluded.

But before we wrap up, let’s look at the murder rates in all these countries alongside the number of civilian guns per 100 residents. (The x axis is civilian guns per 100 residents, and the y axis is murder rates in x per 100,000.)

 

[2aguy]

Over a thousand every month

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8

or are the FBI liars?

Damn these government agencies, all getting together to tell the same lies.
What bastards.

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf#page=27

Then other cpeople use these official US figures to expose the reality of gun stupidity in the US.

Visualizing gun deaths - Comparing the U.S. to rest of the world

But the US gun nuts claim all these people are liars out to grab their guns for no reason.

And another point......the other European countries and Japan.......look real good at their other types of assault....what do you notice....also lower than the United STates....again....it is the criminal sub culture, not access to guns that is the difference between the countries and the murder rate.....our criminals...in small, highly centralized areas of our inner cities, commit murder more often....because of social, and cultural issues...not because of access to guns....

Since there are 357,000,000 million guns since 2015......and only 8,124 gun murders in 2014.......if what you say is true.....the number of gun murders, based on our gun ownership levels should be in the millions...not under 9,000.......

And again....you can never make this point enough......as more Americans, normal, law abiding Americans have bought, owned and carried guns for self defense.......our gun murder rate has gone down......not up......

So again......there is nothing in the gun debate that you are correct about...their is not one fact or bit of reality that supports your positions on this issue.

 

[Dot Com]

You dream.

Nope that's first hand knowledge of the mentality of the people in uniform that will have to carry out such unlawful orders.

says you. I served too Private.

 

[ClosedCaption]

West Virginia man with concealed carry permit accidentally opens fire on children’s swimming lesson

Wildman M14 Shooter

Discuss

Just think if he the horror that could've occurred if he had Martial Arts Training?

 

[M14 Shooter]

Over a thousand every month
Expanded Homicide Data Table 8

What, exactly, do you think this proves?