Majority support birthright Citizenship

[talksalot]

Don't bullshit us with another lie. There is no long-standing principle, it is all based on a leftist lie that some Asian born in this country was deemed a citizen because of being born here when his parents were really already citizens. A child born of aliens are still subject to the jurisdiction of whatever the government is of the child's parent's belonging to, just as with any American born outside this county to US citizens--- he is still a US citizen wherever he is born.

And most Americans support that. Birthright citizenship will be overturned and fixed.

Automatically, granting illegals citizenship because they're born on American soil is stupid.

 

[MisterBeale]

I don't think you will get one on the Court to adopt your interpretation.

uhhhh. . . it isn't really "my," interpretation.

I honestly see both sides, and don't really care which way this one goes TBH.



I just wanted to chime in to clarify the double standards in the establishment.
Follow the law and have your baby here, it isn't a citizen. Break the law and have a baby here, it is a citizen.

This doesn't surprise me considering how corrupt the system is.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Automatically, granting illegals citizenship because they're born on American soil is stupid.

You cannot defend it logically, can you? Give it a try.

 

[excalibur]

Nope..instead he proffered an alternative interpretation--and made new law--which is not his job..nor in his purview.

As the SCOTUS is getting ready to drive home to him~

He made no law. He stated a fact and ordered the Executive Department to follow that order.

There has never been a case from SCOTUS saying anyone born here is a U.S. citizen, all you have now is Wong Kim Ark, and he was the child of LEGAL resident aliens, which are a totally different class from illegal aliens.

And in fact, the Executive Branch is the one that started the ball rolling on the misleading interpretation of the14th's citizenship clause

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The State Department has erroneously interpreted that statute to provide passports to anyone born in the United States, regardless of whether their parents are here illegally and regardless of whether the applicant meets the requirement of being “subject to the jurisdiction” of the U.S. Accordingly, birthright citizenship has been implemented by executive fiat, not because it is required by federal law or the Constitution.​

Birthright Citizenship: A Fundamental Misunderstanding of the 14th Amendment

What’s the citizenship status of the children of illegal aliens? That question has spurred quite a debate over the 14th Amendment lately, with the news that several states—including Pennsylvania, Arizona, Oklahoma, Georgia, and South Carolina—may launch efforts to deny automatic citizenship to...

www.heritage.org

 

[MisterBeale]

And I agree with Evil Eye that it is a "thing" but not an important one.

Not important to you. For folks on the lower end of the economic and job seeking spectrum, it is very important to them.

 

[talksalot]

You cannot defend it logically, can you? Give it a try.

It wasn't written for tourists and illegals.

 

[MisterBeale]

I don't think you will get one on the Court to adopt your interpretation.

But, regardless of whose interpretation it is? The federal court are a bunch of globalists, so yeah, you are more than likely correct.

 

[toobfreak]

Automatically, granting illegals citizenship because they're born on American soil is stupid.

It is nothing but yet another cheap ploy by democrats hoping it attracts them more votes and voters.

 

[excalibur]

Well..because those diplomats are specifically excluded---and illegal aliens are not.

I somehow doubt that there are many 'birth tourists' out there. It is my belief that that's one of those apocryphal Right-wing things.

I note with some amusement that the part of the 14th that relates to due process is not quoted nearly as much by the Right--especially in immigration deportation proceedings...wonder why?

Oh yeah..I forgot....enemy combatants--those babies are~

Ask Congress, which passed all sorts of laws allowing deportations using immigration courts as due process.

SCOTUS has said numerous times that due process is several things, depending on what the need is, that is, it can vary depending on the specific circumstances.

 

[MarathonMike]

Seems like, once again, the tail is trying to wag the dog:

https://www.npr.org/2025/05/15/g-s1-66693/majority-of-americans-oppose-ending-birthright-citizenship-npr-ipsos-poll-finds

As the Supreme Court takes up President Trump's push to end birthright citizenship today, a new NPR/Ipsos poll finds that less than a third of all Americans want to drop the longstanding principle that any child born on U.S. soil is automatically a citizen, even as other parts of the White House's immigration crackdown draw wider support.
Public opinion on Trump's proposal to end birthright citizenship, which the vast majority of legal scholars believe is enshrined in the 14th Amendment to the Constitution, has shifted very little since he announced the plan in an executive order in January. 53% of poll respondents oppose the idea, with only 28% in favor. That's virtually unchanged since an NPR/Ipsos poll in February, when 31% supported the idea of ending birthright citizenship and 54% opposed it.

Another bullshit poll pushed by Leftists who want to keep dangling the carrot of birthright citizenship in front of desperate 3rd worlders.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Not important to you. For folks on the lower end of the economic and job seeking spectrum, it is very important to them.

I don't think so, unless you are back to the rich man telling the poor citizen that the illegal immigrant is trying to steal his cookies.

Your argument simply is not cogent.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Ask Congress, which passed all sorts of laws allowing deportations using immigration courts as due process.

SCOTUS has said numerous times that due process is several things, depending on what the need is, that is, it can vary depending on the specific circumstances.

But they never have suggested your arguments as support for their findings.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

It wasn't written for tourists and illegals.

You can't defend your arguments either in the light of the law.

 

[toobfreak]

Ask Congress, which passed all sorts of laws allowing deportations using immigration courts as due process.
SCOTUS has said numerous times that due process is several things, depending on what the need is, that is, it can vary depending on the specific circumstances.

Why argue with an obvious partisan like Fleegle who continually ignores the facts of history and circles right back to Go even when repeatedly explained and documented for him? Is he proving his itinerant ignorance or his flagrant determination to try to advance a false agenda just stumping for democrat votes?

The fatal flaw to all birthright citizenship claims is the fact that had the 14th Am. intended or applied to anyone just because they were born here, then we would not have needed the separate Indian citizen bill of 1924 admitting them into the country recognized as intrinsic and legal full US citizens as well.

 

[MisterBeale]

I don't think so, unless you are back to the rich man telling the poor citizen that the illegal immigrant is trying to steal his cookies.

Your argument simply is not cogent.

Tell that to Cesar Chavez.

Hail Cesar! | National Review

Make Cesar Chavez’s birthday National Border Control Day.

www.nationalreview.com

 

[Muhammed]

Keep the anchor baby and shoot the parents for committing an overt act of war by invading our country. Or let them keep the baby if they rescind it's citizenship and leave the USA forever.

Problem solved.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Tell that to Cesar Chavez.

Hail Cesar! | National Review

Make Cesar Chavez’s birthday National Border Control Day.

www.nationalreview.com

I am telling it to you. Caesar Chavez has nothing to do with this.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Keep the anchor baby and shoot the parents for committing an overt act of war by invading our country. Or let them keep the baby if they rescind it's citizenship and leave the USA forever.

Problem solved.

being silly

 

[Stryder50]

Seems like, once again, the tail is trying to wag the dog:

https://www.npr.org/2025/05/15/g-s1-66693/majority-of-americans-oppose-ending-birthright-citizenship-npr-ipsos-poll-finds

As the Supreme Court takes up President Trump's push to end birthright citizenship today, a new NPR/Ipsos poll finds that less than a third of all Americans want to drop the longstanding principle that any child born on U.S. soil is automatically a citizen, even as other parts of the White House's immigration crackdown draw wider support.
Public opinion on Trump's proposal to end birthright citizenship, which the vast majority of legal scholars believe is enshrined in the 14th Amendment to the Constitution, has shifted very little since he announced the plan in an executive order in January. 53% of poll respondents oppose the idea, with only 28% in favor. That's virtually unchanged since an NPR/Ipsos poll in February, when 31% supported the idea of ending birthright citizenship and 54% opposed it.

Rather questionable statistical basis when so few are the demographic;
EXCERPT:

This NPR/Ipsos poll was conducted by Ipsos from May 9 to May 11, 2025, using the probability-based KnowledgePanel®. This poll is based on a nationally representative probability sample of 1,019 adults age 18 or older. The sample includes 284 Republicans, 308 Democrats, and 308 independents.
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https://www.npr.org/2025/05/15/g-s1-66693/majority-of-americans-oppose-ending-birthright-citizenship-npr-ipsos-poll-finds

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Searches reveal the NPR is close to what most Americans think: it's a 2 to 1 ratio to keep birthright citizenship.