Trump Is Demonstrably Right About the 14th Amendment and Birthright Citizenship

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The 14th Amendment was never intended to grant citizenship to children born to parents who are in the U.S. illegally. This is not even a close call. One early Supreme Court case ruled that the amendment did not even grant citizenship to newborns whose parents were foreign diplomats stationed in the U.S.

Proponents of birthright citizenship wrongly cite the 1898 Supreme Court case of U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark, when in fact that case involved the children of lawful permanent residents, not the children of illegal immigrants. Wong Kim Ark actually went beyond original intent by including children of lawful permanent residents, but it stopped well short of granting citizenship to children born to illegal immigrants on U.S. soil.

It is revealing the when the 14th Amendment was debated in Congress, its authors explained that it would not even grant citizenship to American Indians. That's why American Indians did not become citizens until 1924 when Congress passed the Indian Citizenship Act. This legislation was necessary because everyone understood what the 14th Amendment did and did not mean. Since the amendment did not confer citizenship on American Indians, how could anyone construe it as giving citizenship to children born to people who are living in the U.S. illegally, either after sneaking across the border or overstaying their visa?

A key phrase in the 14th Amendment is "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof." The authors of the amendment made it clear that this referred to full jurisdiction, not partial jurisdiction. Only U.S. citizens are subject to full U.S. jurisdiction. Being subject to the full jurisdiction of the U.S. means the U.S. Government can draft you into our military, require you to register for the draft, prosecute you for treason if you seek to harm the U.S., etc. The government can't do any of these things to illegal immigrants because they are not fully subject to U.S. jurisdiction. Illegal immigrants and foreign diplomats are only partially subject to U.S. jurisdiction, which means, for example, that they have to obey our traffic laws and can be prosecuted if they commit a crime in our country (unless they have diplomatic immunity), but they cannot be drafted, cannot be forced to even register for the draft, cannot vote, cannot hold elected office, etc.

BTW, most nations in Europe, Asia, and Africa do not offer automatic birthright citizenship. The following nations do not offer birthright citizenship under any conditions or require that at least one parent be a citizen or a lawful permanent resident for the newborn to be granted citizenship: Norway, Sweden, Italy, Greece, Poland, Hungary, Romania, Austria, Bulgaria, Serbia, Albania, Denmark, South Korea, Indonesia, Taiwan, and Japan.

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The 14th Amendment was never intended to grant citizenship to children born to parents who are in the U.S. illegally. This is not even a close call. One early Supreme Court case ruled that the amendment did not even grant citizenship to newborns whose parents were foreign diplomats stationed in the U.S.

Proponents of birthright citizenship wrongly cite the 1898 Supreme Court case of U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark, when in fact that case involved the children of lawful permanent residents, not the children of illegal immigrants. Wong Kim Ark actually went beyond original intent by including children of lawful permanent residents, but it stopped well short of granting citizenship to children born to illegal immigrants on U.S. soil.

It is revealing the when the 14th Amendment was debated in Congress, its authors explained that it would not even grant citizenship to American Indians. That's why American Indians did not become citizens until 1924 when Congress passed the Indian Citizenship Act. This legislation was necessary because everyone understood what the 14th Amendment did and did not mean. Since the amendment did not confer citizenship on American Indians, how could anyone construe it as giving citizenship to children born to people who are living in the U.S. illegally, either after sneaking across the border or overstaying their visa?

A key phrase in the 14th Amendment is "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof." The authors of the amendment made it clear that this referred to full jurisdiction, not partial jurisdiction. Only U.S. citizens are subject to full U.S. jurisdiction. Being subject to the full jurisdiction of the U.S. means the U.S. Government can draft you into our military, require you to register for the draft, prosecute you for treason if you seek to harm the U.S., etc. The government can't do any of these things to illegal immigrants because they are not fully subject to U.S. jurisdiction. Illegal immigrants and foreign diplomats are only partially subject to U.S. jurisdiction, which means, for example, that they have to obey our traffic laws and can be prosecuted if they commit a crime in our country (unless they have diplomatic immunity), but they cannot be drafted, cannot be forced to even register for the draft, cannot vote, cannot hold elected office, etc.

BTW, most nations in Europe, Asia, and Africa do not offer automatic birthright citizenship. The following nations do not offer birthright citizenship under any conditions or require that at least one parent be a citizen or a lawful permanent resident for the newborn to be granted citizenship: Norway, Sweden, Italy, Greece, Poland, Hungary, Romania, Austria, Bulgaria, Serbia, Albania, Denmark, South Korea, Indonesia, Taiwan, and Japan.

Some sources for further reading:




Federalist desperation.
 
The 14th Amendment was never intended to grant citizenship to children born to parents who are in the U.S. illegally. This is not even a close call. One early Supreme Court case ruled that the amendment did not even grant citizenship to newborns whose parents were foreign diplomats stationed in the U.S.

Because they were specifically diplomats here at the behest of their governments.

The thing that is a relatively new concept is that of an "illegal alien". Most of our history, you got here, you were good (with the exception noted below.)

Proponents of birthright citizenship wrongly cite the 1898 Supreme Court case of U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark, when in fact that case involved the children of lawful permanent residents, not the children of illegal immigrants. Wong Kim Ark actually went beyond original intent by including children of lawful permanent residents, but it stopped well short of granting citizenship to children born to illegal immigrants on U.S. soil.

Except they weren't. They had returned to China and the US passed first the Page Act (forbidding the import of Chinese women) and then the Chinese Exclusion Act. The Chinese in 1898 were about as unwelcome as you can get. Yet Wong prevailed because he was born here and the constitution is pretty clear that if you are born here you are a citizen.
 
All is a sudden Trump is right about the 14th, hmm, for 140 years the US has been doing it wrong, don't think so.
/----/ "for 140 years the US has been doing it wrong"
Correct, we have. BTW, Slavery was legal in the United States from the early 17th century, starting around 1619, until it was abolished with the ratification of the 13th Amendment in 1865, making it legal for approximately 246 years. So, did the US get that wrong for 246 years?

Women were denied the right to vote until the 19th Amendment was passed in 1920. So, did the US get that wrong for 144 years?

I could go on...
 
The 14th Amendment was never intended to grant citizenship to children born to parents who are in the U.S. illegally. This is not even a close call. One early Supreme Court case ruled that the amendment did not even grant citizenship to newborns whose parents were foreign diplomats stationed in the U.S.

Proponents of birthright citizenship wrongly cite the 1898 Supreme Court case of U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark, when in fact that case involved the children of lawful permanent residents, not the children of illegal immigrants. Wong Kim Ark actually went beyond original intent by including children of lawful permanent residents, but it stopped well short of granting citizenship to children born to illegal immigrants on U.S. soil.

It is revealing the when the 14th Amendment was debated in Congress, its authors explained that it would not even grant citizenship to American Indians. That's why American Indians did not become citizens until 1924 when Congress passed the Indian Citizenship Act. This legislation was necessary because everyone understood what the 14th Amendment did and did not mean. Since the amendment did not confer citizenship on American Indians, how could anyone construe it as giving citizenship to children born to people who are living in the U.S. illegally, either after sneaking across the border or overstaying their visa?

A key phrase in the 14th Amendment is "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof." The authors of the amendment made it clear that this referred to full jurisdiction, not partial jurisdiction. Only U.S. citizens are subject to full U.S. jurisdiction. Being subject to the full jurisdiction of the U.S. means the U.S. Government can draft you into our military, require you to register for the draft, prosecute you for treason if you seek to harm the U.S., etc. The government can't do any of these things to illegal immigrants because they are not fully subject to U.S. jurisdiction. Illegal immigrants and foreign diplomats are only partially subject to U.S. jurisdiction, which means, for example, that they have to obey our traffic laws and can be prosecuted if they commit a crime in our country (unless they have diplomatic immunity), but they cannot be drafted, cannot be forced to even register for the draft, cannot vote, cannot hold elected office, etc.

BTW, most nations in Europe, Asia, and Africa do not offer automatic birthright citizenship. The following nations do not offer birthright citizenship under any conditions or require that at least one parent be a citizen or a lawful permanent resident for the newborn to be granted citizenship: Norway, Sweden, Italy, Greece, Poland, Hungary, Romania, Austria, Bulgaria, Serbia, Albania, Denmark, South Korea, Indonesia, Taiwan, and Japan.

Some sources for further reading:




No. The heritage foundation is, as usual, attempting to blow smoke up our collective asses.

This question was settled back in the late 1800s in the case of United States vs, Wong Kim Ark.

The Supreme Court addressed the meaning of this key provision in United States v. Wong Kim Ark. Wong Kim Ark was born in San Francisco to parents who were both Chinese citizens. At age 21, he took a trip to China to visit his parents. When he returned to the United States, he was denied entry on the ground that he was not a U.S. citizen. In a 6-to-2 decision, the Court ruled in favor of Wong Kim Ark. Because he was born in the United States and his parents were not “employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the Emperor of China,” the Citizenship Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment automatically made him a U.S. citizen.

 
I'm not afraid of insane Democrat immigration positions as long as Democrats are in no position to implement them.
Yeah, sure. Pretend that's what I was talking about.

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Ridiculous fearmongering.
I'm just getting to the root cause. Democrats opened up our border and let in around 20 million people illegally, bankrupting cities, towns, schools and hospitals all around our country. It's going to take Trump a long time to clean up this enormous mess, especially because Democrats are in favor of this illegal invasion and will obstruct Trumpy at every turn to protect the illegal aliens. And what suffers because that bullshit? The American worker, the American student, American veterans, American taxpayers, American safety, Law and order, American healthcare, American education, the American budget and our American rights and freedoms to name a few things.
 
All is a sudden Trump is right about the 14th, hmm, for 140 years the US has been doing it wrong, don't think so.
Umm, no Supreme Court ruling has ever granted citizenship to children whose parents were here illegally. Politicians and bureaucrats started doing this by fiat, with no constitutional authority and against the clear original intent of the 14th Amendment.
 
Umm, no Supreme Court ruling has ever granted citizenship to children whose parents were here illegally. Politicians and bureaucrats started doing this by fiat, with no constitutional authority and against the clear original intent of the 14th Amendment.

The original intent of the 14th was to ENCOURAGE immigration. America had all this land and no one to settle it.

We only made immigration "illegal" when white people stopped showing up because Europe is much nicer now.
 
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