Los Zetas Drug Cartel in Mexico

[Iceweasel]

I have all kinds of respect for the cartels.​

Don't try to figure her out. She embraces the opposite of reality.

Okay, I just thought it was another American strange comment that I wasn't understanding

No, she is strange anywhere.

 

[2aguy]

All the way back to Reagan and we have messed in Latin America for a long time.

Back to Reagan? Nothing before?[/QUOTE]

Yes of course, read this, a long history, but summarized for those who do not like to read. I am more concerned about today.


19 Reasons Latin Americans Come To The U.S. That Have Nothing To Do With The American Dream

04/18/2014 01:56 pm ET | Updated Aug 06, 2015

17Refuses to control the flow of weapons into Mexico

Mexican authorities seized almost 70,000 weapons of U.S. origin from 2007 to 2011. In 2004, the U.S. Congress declined to renew a 10-year ban on the sale of assault weapons. They quickly became the guns of choice for Mexican drug cartels.

19 Reasons Latin Americans Come To The U.S. That Have Nothing To Do With The American Dream

In 2009, the Obama Administration called for a new assault weapons ban, but Congress did not comply. The following year, Mexican President Felipe Calderón addressed the U.S. Congress, calling on American lawmakers to pass an assault weapons ban to help curb cartel access to weapons and the rising death toll in Mexico. His address and appeal drew applause from several Democrats but virtual silence, and later indignation, from many Republicans.

Mexico Ambassador Arturo Sarukhan Says U.S. Guns Fuel Violence, Denies Mexico Is Infringing Upon Gun Rights[/QUOTE]


They do not get rifles from the U.S. they get them from China and Europe.....where they are easier to buy.

You do know that obama and eric holder sold guns to the cartels with no intention of tracking them.....you know that right? Fast and Furious resulted in hundreds of deaths of Mexican citizens at the hand of obama supplied guns......

And the funny thing is...the gun stores that sold them...did not want to sell the guns and told the ATF they knew they were straw buyers.....and obama's ATF told them to sell the guns....and when the gun stores declined, the ATF threatened to pull their licenses.......

The majority of the guns in Mexico do not come from the United STates...that is a lie. The majority of guns that can actually be tracked come from the U.S. because we keep track of serial numbers.....

 

[2aguy]

2222

 

[2aguy]

All the way back to Reagan and we have messed in Latin America for a long time.

Back to Reagan? Nothing before?[/QUOTE]

Yes of course, read this, a long history, but summarized for those who do not like to read. I am more concerned about today.

19 Reasons Latin Americans Come To The U.S. That Have Nothing To Do With The American Dream

04/18/2014 01:56 pm ET | Updated Aug 06, 2015

17Refuses to control the flow of weapons into Mexico

Mexican authorities seized almost 70,000 weapons of U.S. origin from 2007 to 2011. In 2004, the U.S. Congress declined to renew a 10-year ban on the sale of assault weapons. They quickly became the guns of choice for Mexican drug cartels.

19 Reasons Latin Americans Come To The U.S. That Have Nothing To Do With The American Dream

In 2009, the Obama Administration called for a new assault weapons ban, but Congress did not comply. The following year, Mexican President Felipe Calderón addressed the U.S. Congress, calling on American lawmakers to pass an assault weapons ban to help curb cartel access to weapons and the rising death toll in Mexico. His address and appeal drew applause from several Democrats but virtual silence, and later indignation, from many Republicans.

Mexico Ambassador Arturo Sarukhan Says U.S. Guns Fuel Violence, Denies Mexico Is Infringing Upon Gun Rights

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Here is the truth about where the guns in Mexico come from....

Mexico's Gun Supply and the 90 Percent Myth

In fact, the 3,480 guns positively traced to the United States equals less than 12 percent of the total arms seized in Mexico in 2008 and less than 48 percent of all those submitted by the Mexican government to the ATF for tracing. This means that almost 90 percent of the guns seized in Mexico in 2008 were not traced back to the United States.

 

[2aguy]

All the way back to Reagan and we have messed in Latin America for a long time.

Back to Reagan? Nothing before?

Yes of course, read this, a long history, but summarized for those who do not like to read. I am more concerned about today.


19 Reasons Latin Americans Come To The U.S. That Have Nothing To Do With The American Dream

04/18/2014 01:56 pm ET | Updated Aug 06, 2015

17Refuses to control the flow of weapons into Mexico

Mexican authorities seized almost 70,000 weapons of U.S. origin from 2007 to 2011. In 2004, the U.S. Congress declined to renew a 10-year ban on the sale of assault weapons. They quickly became the guns of choice for Mexican drug cartels.

19 Reasons Latin Americans Come To The U.S. That Have Nothing To Do With The American Dream

In 2009, the Obama Administration called for a new assault weapons ban, but Congress did not comply. The following year, Mexican President Felipe Calderón addressed the U.S. Congress, calling on American lawmakers to pass an assault weapons ban to help curb cartel access to weapons and the rising death toll in Mexico. His address and appeal drew applause from several Democrats but virtual silence, and later indignation, from many Republicans.

Mexico Ambassador Arturo Sarukhan Says U.S. Guns Fuel Violence, Denies Mexico Is Infringing Upon Gun Rights[/QUOTE]
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And this is where the so called Assault weapons come from...not the United States...unless you count the rifles the Mexican military gets from us and then which they sell to the cartels......but those aren't from our gun stores...

Type 3: Guns Not Available for Civilian Purchase in Mexico or the U.S.
The third category of weapons encountered in Mexico is military-grade ordnance not generally available for sale in the United States or Mexico. This category includes hand grenades, 40 mm grenades, rocket-propelled grenades (RPGs), automatic assault rifles and main battle rifles and light machine guns.

This third type of weapon is fairly difficult and very expensive to obtain in the United States, especially in the large numbers in which the cartels are employing them. They are also dangerous to obtain in the United States due to heavy law enforcement scrutiny. Therefore, most of the military ordnance used by the Mexican cartels comes from other sources, such as the international arms market — increasingly from China via the same networks that furnish precursor chemicals for narcotics manufacturing — or from corrupt elements in the Mexican military or even deserters who take their weapons with them

Besides, items such as South Korean fragmentation grenades and RPG-7s, often used by the cartels, simply are not in the U.S. arsenal. This means that very few of the weapons in this category come from the United States.

In recent years the cartels, especially their enforcer groups such as Los Zetas, Gente Nueva and La Linea, have been increasingly using military weaponry instead of sporting arms. A close examination of the arms seized from the enforcer groups and their training camps clearly demonstrates this trend toward military ordnance, including many weapons not readily available in the United States. Some of these seizures have included M60 machine guns and hundreds of 40 mm grenades obtained from the military arsenals of countries like Guatemala.

But Guatemala is not the only source of such weapons. Latin America is awash in weapons that were shipped there over the past several decades to supply the various insurgencies and counterinsurgencies in the region. When these military-grade weapons are combined with the rampant corruption in the region, they quickly find their way into the black arms market. The Mexican cartels have supply-chain contacts that help move narcotics to Mexico from South America, and they are able to use this same network to obtain guns from the black market in South and Central America and then smuggle them into Mexico. While there are many weapons in this category that were manufactured in the United States, the overwhelming majority of the U.S.-manufactured weapons of this third type encountered in Mexico — like LAW rockets and M60 machine guns — come into Mexico from third countries and not directly from the United States.

There are also some cases of overlap between classes of weapons. For example, the FN Five-Seven pistol is available for commercial purchase in the United States, but the 5.7x28 armor-piercing ammunition for the pistol favored by the cartels is not — it is a restricted item. However, some of the special operations forces units in the Mexican military are issued the Five-Seven as well as the FN P90 personal defense weapon, which also shoots the 5.7x28 round, and the cartels are obtaining some of these weapons and the armor-piercing ammunition from them and not from the United States. Conversely, we see bulk 5.56 mm and 7.62 mm ammunition bought in the United States and smuggled into Mexico, where it is used in fully automatic AK-47s and M16s purchased elsewhere. As noted above, China has become an increasingly common source for military weapons like grenades and fully automatic assault rifles in recent years.

 

[2aguy]

All the way back to Reagan and we have messed in Latin America for a long time.

Back to Reagan? Nothing before?[/QUOTE]

Yes of course, read this, a long history, but summarized for those who do not like to read. I am more concerned about today.


19 Reasons Latin Americans Come To The U.S. That Have Nothing To Do With The American Dream

04/18/2014 01:56 pm ET | Updated Aug 06, 2015

17Refuses to control the flow of weapons into Mexico

Mexican authorities seized almost 70,000 weapons of U.S. origin from 2007 to 2011. In 2004, the U.S. Congress declined to renew a 10-year ban on the sale of assault weapons. They quickly became the guns of choice for Mexican drug cartels.

19 Reasons Latin Americans Come To The U.S. That Have Nothing To Do With The American Dream

In 2009, the Obama Administration called for a new assault weapons ban, but Congress did not comply. The following year, Mexican President Felipe Calderón addressed the U.S. Congress, calling on American lawmakers to pass an assault weapons ban to help curb cartel access to weapons and the rising death toll in Mexico. His address and appeal drew applause from several Democrats but virtual silence, and later indignation, from many Republicans.

Mexico Ambassador Arturo Sarukhan Says U.S. Guns Fuel Violence, Denies Mexico Is Infringing Upon Gun Rights[/QUOTE]


So.....the so called Assault weapon ban would do nothing to stop Mexican drug cartels from getting Assault weapons......

So why did the President of Mexico single out the U.S....the one country not selling assault weapons to the Mexican cartels?

 

[September]

I have all kinds of respect for the cartels.​

Don't try to figure her out. She embraces the opposite of reality.

What would you consider the opposite of "reality"? What does that have to do with whom I choose to respect?

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[Lucy Hamilton]

I have all kinds of respect for the cartels.​

Don't try to figure her out. She embraces the opposite of reality.

What would you consider the opposite of "reality"? What does that have to do with whom I choose to respect?

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Hilfe!

Iceweasel to deconstruct please.

 

[Penelope]

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Do you have any links for your above accusations? Never mind I found your link.

I read it, and I'm sure some get into Mexico via other routes, the heavy duty war arsenals which the US sold to other countries. but many also had serial numbers erased and the Mexican gov did not check. I mean the US is the biggest arms dealer , isn't it? What a trade to be in, can't we find something else to export and sell.

No I do not believe Holden and Obamas sent guns over there for nothing. Possibly to wake up the GOP in the senate who has no problems with assault weapons.

Either way, something needs to be done. Its not the innocent people fault they are fleeing Mexico gangs. Luckily I read an article that we are working with the Mexican Pres. on capturing some cartel leaders and several have been caught under the Obama Admin. , none under Bushes.

We need to outlaw assault weapons, all these patriotic and inner city gangs have these weapons.

 

[2aguy]

2222

Do you have any links for your above accusations?

Fast and Furious and obama? Sure.

 

[2aguy]

2222

Do you have any links for your above accusations?

This is the begining....they told the gun stores to sell the guns....even when the gun stores didn't want to...

Fast and Furious: Gun store owner opens up

 

[Penelope]

2222

Do you have any links for your above accusations?

Fast and Furious and obama? Sure.

Read my previous article I wrote after reading your link.

 

[Penelope]

2222

Do you have any links for your above accusations?

This is the begining....they told the gun stores to sell the guns....even when the gun stores didn't want to...

Fast and Furious: Gun store owner opens up

So he says, I have not checked him out.

For 15 months, Howard did as he was told. To customers with phony IDs or wads of cash he normally would have turned away, he sold pistols, rifles and semiautomatics. He was assured by the ATF that they would follow the guns, and that the surveillance would lead the agents to the violent Mexican drug cartels on the Southwest border.
Howard recalled that a chubby, bald and "very confident" man named Jaime Avila walked into the store on Jan. 16, 2010, and bought the AK-47s.

 

[2aguy]

2222

Do you have any links for your above accusations?

This is the begining....they told the gun stores to sell the guns....even when the gun stores didn't want to...

Fast and Furious: Gun store owner opens up

So he says, I have not checked him out.

For 15 months, Howard did as he was told. To customers with phony IDs or wads of cash he normally would have turned away, he sold pistols, rifles and semiautomatics. He was assured by the ATF that they would follow the guns, and that the surveillance would lead the agents to the violent Mexican drug cartels on the Southwest border.
Howard recalled that a chubby, bald and "very confident" man named Jaime Avila walked into the store on Jan. 16, 2010, and bought the AK-47s.

You have Semiautomatics in bold.....those are not Assault rifles....Assault rifles are allegedly select fire military weapons. Pistols are semiautomatics....as are ruger mini 14s.......

The military grade weapons are not coming from American gun stores, they are coming from overseas.