Looks like Baghdad imploding

[Moonglow]

OS 11130457

What do you think moderates are doing in Afghanistan right now after watching how Barry walked away from Iraq and left them to the non existent mercies of ISIS?

Did you really want an honest and satisfactory answer to your question? If not , I'll give it to you anyway. The moderates in Afghanistan first of all did not watch President a Obama walk away from Afghanistan. They watched Bush agree with Maliki and Iraq's Parliament legally put an end to the US troop presence in Iraq by 2012.

They did however watch the Iraqi Army fold and run from Daesh terrorist scum and watched the devastation that those Sunni scum have sown upon the region. Afghan moderates have no reason to blame Obama for a ISIS expansion and terrorist activity because they know Obama had nothing to do with causing their own violent ordeals with the Taliban.

They now see the US and many nations in a coalition that is successfully driving Daesh terrorist scum out of Iraq. They see their neighbor on the west also helping Iraq defeat the terrorist scum alongside the US other nations.

You could learn a lot from the courageous and defiant moderate people of Afghanistan. They defy the Taliban and send their daughters to school. They have manned three hundred thousand army and police who have been tested and are fighting the Taliban on offense and are not running away as the crony infested and corrupted army that Maliki established in Iraq that was never truly tested as the Afghan Army has been now for several years under Obama.

The moderates see an Obama deal brewing involving the US and Iran that will potentially bring an Iranian and Indian alliance to fruition that has been long sought by Afghanistan that will help to improve Afghanistan's economy and therefore improve the overall security in the area without the need for any US or foreign ground fighting troops just like Obama and the Iraqis have insisted be the case in Iraq.

You could learn something from Afghani moderates Oldstyle. It's that hating Obama the way you do will not solve the problems that many good people face around the world. In fact US right wing hatred of Obama helps encourage all the enemies of good people everywhere.

The moderates in Afghanistan have my admiration, Notfooled because they HAVE defied the Taliban. So how was Barack Obama about to repay them for that courage? He was about to do the same thing to them that he did to the people of Iraq. The only thing that has stopped him from pulling out of Afghanistan and leaving the moderates there to the "mercy" of the Taliban is that Iraq has become SO bad that he can't pretend that his withdrawal worked. Not even the liberal media was buying that anymore. Barry was forced to stay in Afghanistan because his policy of withdrawal in Iraq was shown to be such a total disaster.

A new president was elected that was more willing to allow US troops to remain...

 

[Oldstyle]

Iraq has to learn to stand on it own some day....

How did abandoning it to ISIS work out, Moon? Telling nations they need to stand on their own might sound good in an abstract way but the practical results SUCK!

 

[Oldstyle]

OS 11130457

What do you think moderates are doing in Afghanistan right now after watching how Barry walked away from Iraq and left them to the non existent mercies of ISIS?

Did you really want an honest and satisfactory answer to your question? If not , I'll give it to you anyway. The moderates in Afghanistan first of all did not watch President a Obama walk away from Afghanistan. They watched Bush agree with Maliki and Iraq's Parliament legally put an end to the US troop presence in Iraq by 2012.

They did however watch the Iraqi Army fold and run from Daesh terrorist scum and watched the devastation that those Sunni scum have sown upon the region. Afghan moderates have no reason to blame Obama for a ISIS expansion and terrorist activity because they know Obama had nothing to do with causing their own violent ordeals with the Taliban.

They now see the US and many nations in a coalition that is successfully driving Daesh terrorist scum out of Iraq. They see their neighbor on the west also helping Iraq defeat the terrorist scum alongside the US other nations.

You could learn a lot from the courageous and defiant moderate people of Afghanistan. They defy the Taliban and send their daughters to school. They have manned three hundred thousand army and police who have been tested and are fighting the Taliban on offense and are not running away as the crony infested and corrupted army that Maliki established in Iraq that was never truly tested as the Afghan Army has been now for several years under Obama.

The moderates see an Obama deal brewing involving the US and Iran that will potentially bring an Iranian and Indian alliance to fruition that has been long sought by Afghanistan that will help to improve Afghanistan's economy and therefore improve the overall security in the area without the need for any US or foreign ground fighting troops just like Obama and the Iraqis have insisted be the case in Iraq.

You could learn something from Afghani moderates Oldstyle. It's that hating Obama the way you do will not solve the problems that many good people face around the world. In fact US right wing hatred of Obama helps encourage all the enemies of good people everywhere.

The moderates in Afghanistan have my admiration, Notfooled because they HAVE defied the Taliban. So how was Barack Obama about to repay them for that courage? He was about to do the same thing to them that he did to the people of Iraq. The only thing that has stopped him from pulling out of Afghanistan and leaving the moderates there to the "mercy" of the Taliban is that Iraq has become SO bad that he can't pretend that his withdrawal worked. Not even the liberal media was buying that anymore. Barry was forced to stay in Afghanistan because his policy of withdrawal in Iraq was shown to be such a total disaster.

A new president was elected that was more willing to allow US troops to remain...

Dude, the ONLY reason Barack Obama didn't pull the troops out of Afghanistan is that Iraq was becoming such a disaster that he couldn't do the same thing in Afghanistan that he did in Iraq.

 

[Moonglow]

OS 11130457

What do you think moderates are doing in Afghanistan right now after watching how Barry walked away from Iraq and left them to the non existent mercies of ISIS?

Did you really want an honest and satisfactory answer to your question? If not , I'll give it to you anyway. The moderates in Afghanistan first of all did not watch President a Obama walk away from Afghanistan. They watched Bush agree with Maliki and Iraq's Parliament legally put an end to the US troop presence in Iraq by 2012.

They did however watch the Iraqi Army fold and run from Daesh terrorist scum and watched the devastation that those Sunni scum have sown upon the region. Afghan moderates have no reason to blame Obama for a ISIS expansion and terrorist activity because they know Obama had nothing to do with causing their own violent ordeals with the Taliban.

They now see the US and many nations in a coalition that is successfully driving Daesh terrorist scum out of Iraq. They see their neighbor on the west also helping Iraq defeat the terrorist scum alongside the US other nations.

You could learn a lot from the courageous and defiant moderate people of Afghanistan. They defy the Taliban and send their daughters to school. They have manned three hundred thousand army and police who have been tested and are fighting the Taliban on offense and are not running away as the crony infested and corrupted army that Maliki established in Iraq that was never truly tested as the Afghan Army has been now for several years under Obama.

The moderates see an Obama deal brewing involving the US and Iran that will potentially bring an Iranian and Indian alliance to fruition that has been long sought by Afghanistan that will help to improve Afghanistan's economy and therefore improve the overall security in the area without the need for any US or foreign ground fighting troops just like Obama and the Iraqis have insisted be the case in Iraq.

You could learn something from Afghani moderates Oldstyle. It's that hating Obama the way you do will not solve the problems that many good people face around the world. In fact US right wing hatred of Obama helps encourage all the enemies of good people everywhere.

The moderates in Afghanistan have my admiration, Notfooled because they HAVE defied the Taliban. So how was Barack Obama about to repay them for that courage? He was about to do the same thing to them that he did to the people of Iraq. The only thing that has stopped him from pulling out of Afghanistan and leaving the moderates there to the "mercy" of the Taliban is that Iraq has become SO bad that he can't pretend that his withdrawal worked. Not even the liberal media was buying that anymore. Barry was forced to stay in Afghanistan because his policy of withdrawal in Iraq was shown to be such a total disaster.

A new president was elected that was more willing to allow US troops to remain...

Dude, the ONLY reason Barack Obama didn't pull the troops out of Afghanistan is that Iraq was becoming such a disaster that he couldn't do the same thing in Afghanistan that he did in Iraq.

Iraq would not allow troops to be in Iraq.....No agreement could be made...Millions spent on training the Iraqi's, but the leader decided to play split the constituency by religious lines...You evidently think only Oblama has made this decision...

 

[whutTHEYsay]

The moderates in Afghanistan have my admiration, Notfooled because they HAVE defied the Taliban. So how was Barack Obama about to repay them for that courage? He was about to do the same thing to them that he did to the people of Iraq.

First off Baghdad is not imploding at all is it?

CBS/APApril 24, 2015, 12:31 PM
ISIS loses control of key bridge to Iraq forces

. Iraqi security forces and tribal fighters prepare to attack Islamic State group militants on al-Houz bridge on the Euphrates river in Ramadi, 70 miles (115 kilometers) west of Baghdad, Iraq, Friday, April 24, 2015. Iraqi security forces recaptured a key bridge from Islamic militants in the capital of western Anbar on Friday, said an Iraqi security official, as top Shiite cleric renewed calls for national unity among political groups in the face of the Islamic militant group. (AP Photo) AP

But in response to more of your nonsense, you are simply a know-nothing Oldstyle. Long before ISIS separated from al Qaeda in November 2013 Obama negotiated a long term security deal with Afghanistan. A security deal about seven years longer than that Bush surrender deal in Iraq in 2008.

Read it yourself and become a know-something instead:

U.S.-Afghan Bilateral Security Agreement - Council on Foreign ...
www.cfr.org/afghanistan/united...afghanistans-security...agreement.../p319...
Nov 21, 2013 - United States and Afghanistan's Security and Defense Cooperation ... The agreement is set to take effect on January 1, 2015 and remain in force through 2024. ... at the Chicago Summit in 2012, and in the context of the Security ... in this Agreement, United States forces may undertake transit, support, and ...

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Dude, the ONLY reason Barack Obama didn't pull the troops out of Afghanistan is that Iraq was becoming such a disaster that he couldn't do the same thing in Afghanistan that he did in Iraq.

That is a lie. See my post #405 ... Or..... Run away and hide again.

And the Afghan's have granted our troops immunity while the Iraqis would not - and the Iraqis to this day have asked for US troops to be engaged in their ground war against daesh terrorist scum and the Iraqis with US air strikes are slowly driving ISIS out of Iraq. Your dream of Baghdad imploding will never ever happen.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

OS 11265254

How did abandoning it to ISIS work out, Moon?

US troops leaving on Bush's date certain was not Obama abandoning Iraq. If Iraqis wanted US troops to stay they would have done what Afghanistan has done and granted our troops the immunity they absolutely have to according to Leon Panetta and every single US military officer that leads our troops in combat.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

DT 10970273

EC was watching Admiral Mullin declare that Iran is far more of a problem for America than ISIS. The same iran that Obabble is giving away the store to, to polish his legacy. The same iran he is allowing to control iraq. Strategic patience, my ass.

EC ran away Deltex. She was probably lying or fabricating what the good Admiral said.

You should take a cue from EC since you can't get anything right about Iraq anymore either.

Why do you swallow and repeat Daesh propaganda that they are invincible. And your Iranaphobia destroys your judgement into thing you know more about what to do than a patriotic active duty USAF General:

A top US Air Force general insisted Friday the American-led air campaign against the Islamic State was effective, rejecting criticism that it was too slow or overly cautious. The bombing raids against the IS jihadists in Iraq and Syria have had a "profound effect on the enemy" and taken out "more than a 1,000 enemy fighters a month from the battlefield," said Lieutenant General John Hesterman, head of the air fleet under US Central Command. Coalition strikes have helped ground forces in Iraq and northern Syria regain territory from the IS and destroyed most of the group's oil refining capacity, Hesterman told reporters via telephone from Qatar.

Posted on 5 June 2015 | 9:30 pm

1000 Daesh terrorist scum a month taken dead off the battlefield and all you can do is bitch and bitch and bitch and offer not one syllable of a better plan.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Polling averages 2 days ago had Clinton's electoral-vote advantage at 288 to 191. (270 is what's needed to be president.)

Unfortunately for Republicans, Baghdad never came close to imploding. One big city left for the Iraqis to liberate - themselves on the ground.

ISIS was the Republicans great hope to win this upcoming election. ISIS failed you Delbert. Are you distraught about that?

It's ignorance on the right coming from the author of this thread, combined with more intelligent, inclusive and decent opposition from the center and left that will keep Trump out of the White House forever.

So we've moved Colorado from Tossup to Lean D. That expands Clinton's electoral-vote advantage to 288 to 191. (270 is what's needed to be president.) According to our map, Clinton would need to win just the states leaning her direction to win, and could lose all of the current tossups — Iowa, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania — and still have some cushion. Notice that includes Ohio, where the Republican convention is, and neighboring Pennsylvania, which Democrats have carried since 1992.

NPR Battleground Map: Where Does The Race Stand?

Clinton already has an insurmountable lead on Trump. And you think his boy will close the gap because he claims he can operate a bulldozer.

Republicans want Americans to die more in the M.E. so the rich Trump kids can play with big boy toys. They can play safe in NYC except when Bush was President.


deltex1, post: 10073948

I don't want our ground troops fighting house to house against the ragheads.

Its time you've thanked Obama for doing what you wanted, Delbert. But still you ride with those Republicans who want to get Americans dead and wounded on the front lines in Iraq.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

The OP is an idiot:

Joint Operations: ISIS controls less than 10% of land
Jul 28, 2016

Joint Operations: ISIS controls less than 10% of land - Iraqi News

 

[irosie91]

Iraq has to learn to stand on it own some day....

How did abandoning it to ISIS work out, Moon? Telling nations they need to stand on their own might sound good in an abstract way but the practical results SUCK!

abandoning Iraq got the USA out of Iraq

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Oldstyle, post: 11265254

. How did abandoning it to ISIS work out, Moon? Telling nations they need to stand on their own might sound good in an abstract way but the practical results SUCK!

What Iraq could not do in 2014 it is doing now. The U.S. Did not abandon Iraq it respected Iraq's sovereignty. When Iraq requested air strikes and trainers they needed to get rid of Maliki so when they did that the U.S. responded by leading a coalition that has been driving ISIS out if Iraq ever since.

The Iraqis are now able to hold the territory they liberate.

American soldiers were not needed to die in this operation. That can only be why you are so negative about the U.S. led coalition to kill, capture, and terminate the ISIS existence on Iraq soil.

Iraq was not abandoned. They needed to learn to fight for themselves. Americans could not protect the entire country as they did when Bush ran the war. And lots of Americans were dying under Bush while Iraqis say out the war.

Do you want that back?

 

[Oldstyle]

Oldstyle, post: 11265254

. How did abandoning it to ISIS work out, Moon? Telling nations they need to stand on their own might sound good in an abstract way but the practical results SUCK!

What Iraq could not do in 2014 it is doing now. The U.S. Did not abandon Iraq it respected Iraq's sovereignty. When Iraq requested air strikes and trainers they needed to get rid of Maliki so when they did that the U.S. responded by leading a coalition that has been driving ISIS out if Iraq ever since.

The Iraqis are now able to hold the territory they liberate.

American soldiers were not needed to die in this operation. That can only be why you are so negative about the U.S. led coalition to kill, capture, and terminate the ISIS existence on Iraq soil.

Iraq was not abandoned. They needed to learn to fight for themselves. Americans could not protect the entire country as they did when Bush ran the war. And lots of Americans were dying under Bush while Iraqis say out the war.

Do you want that back?

Iraq was totally abandoned! The Joint Chiefs of Staff warned Barry that a premature withdrawal of combat troops would create a power vacuum that terrorist groups would exploit. He chose to ignore their advice. Then when ISIS was rolling tanks and troops across open desert to attack major Iraqi cities, Barry sat on his hands because he wanted to keep on saying that he'd "ended" the war in Iraq. Now ISIS is dug into Mosul like ticks on a hound and it's going to cost thousands of lives to get them out of there! Obama and Clinton were naive ideologues when it came to Middle East policy. They managed to fuck up everything they touched.

 

[irosie91]

Oldstyle, post: 11265254

. How did abandoning it to ISIS work out, Moon? Telling nations they need to stand on their own might sound good in an abstract way but the practical results SUCK!

What Iraq could not do in 2014 it is doing now. The U.S. Did not abandon Iraq it respected Iraq's sovereignty. When Iraq requested air strikes and trainers they needed to get rid of Maliki so when they did that the U.S. responded by leading a coalition that has been driving ISIS out if Iraq ever since.

The Iraqis are now able to hold the territory they liberate.

American soldiers were not needed to die in this operation. That can only be why you are so negative about the U.S. led coalition to kill, capture, and terminate the ISIS existence on Iraq soil.

Iraq was not abandoned. They needed to learn to fight for themselves. Americans could not protect the entire country as they did when Bush ran the war. And lots of Americans were dying under Bush while Iraqis say out the war.

Do you want that back?

Iraq was totally abandoned! The Joint Chiefs of Staff warned Barry that a premature withdrawal of combat troops would create a power vacuum that terrorist groups would exploit. He chose to ignore their advice. Then when ISIS was rolling tanks and troops across open desert to attack major Iraqi cities, Barry sat on his hands because he wanted to keep on saying that he'd "ended" the war in Iraq. Now ISIS is dug into Mosul like ticks on a hound and it's going to cost thousands of lives to get them out of there! Obama and Clinton were naive ideologues when it came to Middle East policy. They managed to fuck up everything they touched.

right----they did not understand the vile stench of islam----so they left----they left the vile stench of islam to the vile stench of islam

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Oldstyle, post: 14925053

Now ISIS is dug into Mosul like ticks on a hound and it's going to cost thousands of lives to get them out of there!

Why are they dug into Mosul? Why are their leaders shaving their beards and trying escape from Mosul?

Why did your candidate Trump tell you that Bush lied us into invading Iraq. Bush made a huge mistake. Should have left Saddam there? Why Oldstyle? Since your own nominee put the blame on Bush, how can you blame Obama for the turmoil there. Bush lied us into invading Iraq and then Bush set the date in December 2008 for all US troops to be out of Iraq cities five months after Obama's inauguration. Bush let the terrorists take control of Iraq's Sunni dominated cities. Bush tied Obama's hands with the 2008 SOFA.

No 2003 invasion - no ISIS created in Iraq formed to kill Americans and fight the Shiite dominated government that Bush's invasion created and left unprepared to defend itself.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

rosie91, post: 14925124

right----they did not understand the vile stench of islam----so they left----they left the vile stench of islam to the vile stench of islam

If you think Iraq is full of the vile stench of Islam why do you applaud Oldstyle's wish that Obama had sent more American's to die defending the vile stench of Islam.

You actually agree with Obama not Oldstyle.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Then when ISIS was rolling tanks and troops across open desert to attack major Iraqi cities, Barry sat on his hands because he wanted to keep on saying that he'd "ended" the war in Iraq.

You fool. Obama did end Bush's war to find WMD IN Iraq. He ended it on Bush's deadlines.

The war to find Saddam's WMD that the UN inspectors were not finding was over on the dates Bush agreed to with Maliki in December 2008. That was Bush's final act on what Trump calls a disaster blamed on Bush. That is what ended that war. The war against ISIS is a new war and new military operation. This time it's being fought with brains and American air superiority. No more Bush stupidity.

No invasion in 2003 - No ISIS forming in 2004.

 

[Oldstyle]

Oldstyle, post: 14925053

Now ISIS is dug into Mosul like ticks on a hound and it's going to cost thousands of lives to get them out of there!

Why are they dug into Mosul? Why are their leaders shaving their beards and trying escape from Mosul?

Why did your candidate Trump tell you that Bush lied us into invading Iraq. Bush made a huge mistake. Should have left Saddam there? Why Oldstyle? Since your own nominee put the blame on Bush, how can you blame Obama for the turmoil there. Bush lied us into invading Iraq and then Bush set the date in December 2008 for all US troops to be out of Iraq cities five months after Obama's inauguration. Bush let the terrorists take control of Iraq's Sunni dominated cities. Bush tied Obama's hands with the 2008 SOFA.

No 2003 invasion - no ISIS created in Iraq formed to kill Americans and fight the Shiite dominated government that Bush's invasion created and left unprepared to defend itself.

How did Bush tie Obama's hands? Barry didn't WANT a new Status of Forces Agreement! He never even tried getting one. That was his excuse for leaving Iraq even though his military leaders were warning him of what might happen if he pulled out too soon.

 

[Oldstyle]

What's pathetic is that he used the expiring Status of Forces as his excuse to get out of Iraq and then turned around and blamed Bush for what happened in Iraq after pulling out combat troops prematurely. Obama patted himself on the back, touting his "accomplishment" of ending the war right up until it became obvious that what he'd done was a total failure of policy and then he pointed fingers at Bush when ISIS turned out to be more than "the JV team"!

 

[Oldstyle]

Now Obama is criticizing Trump for not being qualified to be President? Seriously? Obama was the least qualified "leader" we've had in a long time. A Junior Senator with zero Executive experience, no legislative expertise and no knowledge of economics or business says The Donald isn't qualified? That's rich...