London: Years of Liberal Dogma.

[Ravi]

I have no superior knowledge and it is you that is trying to blame all this on the left.

IMO, it is the result of the economic outlook and everyone has their reasons, as retarded as they may be, to feel oppressed.

 

[Colin]

I have no superior knowledge and it is you that is trying to blame all this on the left.

IMO, it is the result of the economic outlook and everyone has their reasons, as retarded as they may be, to feel oppressed.

Spin it whichever way you want...I know you will regardless of the facts. Do carry on. I'm getting quite a laugh out of it.

 

[editec]

Yeah all those rioting kids could have been part of the ENGLANDS elite class, but instead, and because of liberalism they CHOOSE to be poor, right?

What a load bullocks.

What you have here are kids who have no good reason to play by the rules because the rules inform them that they are economically/socially worthless.

And they ARE economically worthless in that society, too.

And heads up. kiddies, a LOT MORE OF PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD are going to BECOME economically worthless as times goes by, too.

Unless we address the growing problem of human redundancy these kinds of problems are only going to grow worse.

And the solution is NOT a welfare state, it's a WORK-FAIR state.

But of course that would be even more socialistic and fraught with all the problems associated with a society that has concentrated power into the hands of a few that we've got right now, wouldn't it?

20%-25% of the human population is already redundant and that trend is rapidly growing as techological advances replace human labor.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Yeah all those rioting kids could have been part of the ENGLANDS elite class, but instead, and because of liberalism they CHOOSE to be poor, right?

What a load bullocks.

What you have here are kids who have no good reason to play by the rules because the rules inform them that they are economically/socially worthless.

And they ARE economically worthless in that society, too.

And heads up. kiddies, a LOT MORE OF PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD are going to BECOME economically worthless as times goes by, too.

Unless we address the growing problem of human redundancy these kinds of problems are only going to grow worse.

And the solution is NOT a welfare state, it's a WORK-FAIR state.

But of course that would be even more socialistic and fraught with all the problems associated with a society that has concentrated power into the hands of a few that we've got right now, wouldn't it?

20%-25% of the human population is already redundant and that trend is rapidly growing as techological advances replace human labor.

You guys throw around the word 'poor' as though it has some actual meaning.
It does not, in the era of the welfare state.

Free healthcare for life, all the accoutrements that accrue in a liberal welfare socialist environmment....

...did you know that unemployment benefits are forever?
"...It is paid until you find work."
Unemployment benefits explained | Consumer affairs | Times Online


History isn't enough proof for you??
London on fire isn't enough proof?

Wise up: free-market and traditional values or what we are witnessing.

 

[Colin]

Yeah all those rioting kids could have been part of the ENGLANDS elite class, but instead, and because of liberalism they CHOOSE to be poor, right?

What a load bullocks.

What you have here are kids who have no good reason to play by the rules because the rules inform them that they are economically/socially worthless.

And they ARE economically worthless in that society, too.

And heads up. kiddies, a LOT MORE OF PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD are going to BECOME economically worthless as times goes by, too.

Unless we address the growing problem of human redundancy these kinds of problems are only going to grow worse.

And the solution is NOT a welfare state, it's a WORK-FAIR state.

But of course that would be even more socialistic and fraught with all the problems associated with a society that has concentrated power into the hands of a few that we've got right now, wouldn't it?

20%-25% of the human population is already redundant and that trend is rapidly growing as techological advances replace human labor.

Another expert! Poor my arse! So ******* poor they ALL have their state of the art phones, designer clothes and branded sports shoes. They can afford to smoke, drink and go to football matches. They get their weekly welfare check if they're not working and they all have accommodation. Those that don't work DON'T want to work! But hey! What do we know versus experts like you!

Pity you haven't been following the court cases now occurring. Academics, people with regular jobs, as well as lowlife scumbags.

 

[editec]

Yeah all those rioting kids could have been part of the ENGLANDS elite class, but instead, and because of liberalism they CHOOSE to be poor, right?

What a load bullocks.

What you have here are kids who have no good reason to play by the rules because the rules inform them that they are economically/socially worthless.

And they ARE economically worthless in that society, too.

And heads up. kiddies, a LOT MORE OF PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD are going to BECOME economically worthless as times goes by, too.

Unless we address the growing problem of human redundancy these kinds of problems are only going to grow worse.

And the solution is NOT a welfare state, it's a WORK-FAIR state.

But of course that would be even more socialistic and fraught with all the problems associated with a society that has concentrated power into the hands of a few that we've got right now, wouldn't it?

20%-25% of the human population is already redundant and that trend is rapidly growing as techological advances replace human labor.

You guys throw around the word 'poor' as though it has some actual meaning.
It does not, in the era of the welfare state.

Free healthcare for life, all the accoutrements that accrue in a liberal welfare socialist environmment....

...did you know that unemployment benefits are forever?
"...It is paid until you find work."
Unemployment benefits explained | Consumer affairs | Times Online


History isn't enough proof for you??
London on fire isn't enough proof?

Wise up: free-market and traditional values or what we are witnessing.

Did you miss the meaning of this, PC?

And the solution is NOT a welfare state, it's a WORK-FAIR state.

Apparently you did.

WELFARE is the burden that society bears for the failings of the economy.

It does NOT solve the problem, it merely kicks the can down the road.

Those kids are NOT part of their society in any meaningful way, they are wards of the state and wards without ADULT supervision.

Ever hear thing adage, PC?

Idle hands are the devil's playthings.

If we want to solve this kind of problem, finding ways to integrate those skilless and economically unviable kids into society in a way that gives them some damned good reason to work is the way to do it.

Sadly, there is no way to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

 

[tigerbob]

Yeah all those rioting kids could have been part of the ENGLANDS elite class, but instead, and because of liberalism they CHOOSE to be poor, right?

What a load bullocks.

What you have here are kids who have no good reason to play by the rules because the rules inform them that they are economically/socially worthless.

And they ARE economically worthless in that society, too.

And heads up. kiddies, a LOT MORE OF PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD are going to BECOME economically worthless as times goes by, too.

Unless we address the growing problem of human redundancy these kinds of problems are only going to grow worse.

And the solution is NOT a welfare state, it's a WORK-FAIR state.

But of course that would be even more socialistic and fraught with all the problems associated with a society that has concentrated power into the hands of a few that we've got right now, wouldn't it?

20%-25% of the human population is already redundant and that trend is rapidly growing as techological advances replace human labor.

Another expert! Poor my arse! So ******* poor they ALL have their state of the art phones, designer clothes and branded sports shoes. They can afford to smoke, drink and go to football matches. They get their weekly welfare check if they're not working and they all have accommodation. Those that don't work DON'T want to work! But hey! What do we know versus experts like you!

Pity you haven't been following the court cases now occurring. Academics, people with regular jobs, as well as lowlife scumbags.

Well, to be fair Colin, people who don't live in the UK will largely have their views shaped by their domestic media's coverage of the issues. For example...

"A protest against poor living conditions and police mistreatment".

"Cameron and his government must leave after the popular uprising against them".

Those positions taken by the official news agencies in Iran and Libya.

In the UK media (if anyone is following them) you'll get op-ed in the Mail and the Grauniad that represent the two poles, with the truth lying somewhere in the middle.

It is interesting that a lot of people seem to be taking editorial opinion as fact. Actually maybe that's not that much of a surprise, though it is massively depressing.

However, what is clear from the people who have been trooped through the courts already is that the troublemakers come from a wide range of social groups. To anyone who has lived in the UK for any amount of time, this will not be at all surprising.

 

[Ravi]

Given that people in the UK are fiercely divided over what caused the riots it isn't unimaginable that the rest of the world is too.

And that opinion of mine is formed by reading the UK media.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Yeah all those rioting kids could have been part of the ENGLANDS elite class, but instead, and because of liberalism they CHOOSE to be poor, right?

What a load bullocks.

What you have here are kids who have no good reason to play by the rules because the rules inform them that they are economically/socially worthless.

And they ARE economically worthless in that society, too.

And heads up. kiddies, a LOT MORE OF PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD are going to BECOME economically worthless as times goes by, too.

Unless we address the growing problem of human redundancy these kinds of problems are only going to grow worse.

And the solution is NOT a welfare state, it's a WORK-FAIR state.

But of course that would be even more socialistic and fraught with all the problems associated with a society that has concentrated power into the hands of a few that we've got right now, wouldn't it?

20%-25% of the human population is already redundant and that trend is rapidly growing as techological advances replace human labor.

You guys throw around the word 'poor' as though it has some actual meaning.
It does not, in the era of the welfare state.

Free healthcare for life, all the accoutrements that accrue in a liberal welfare socialist environmment....

...did you know that unemployment benefits are forever?
"...It is paid until you find work."
Unemployment benefits explained | Consumer affairs | Times Online


History isn't enough proof for you??
London on fire isn't enough proof?

Wise up: free-market and traditional values or what we are witnessing.

Did you miss the meaning of this, PC?

And the solution is NOT a welfare state, it's a WORK-FAIR state.

Apparently you did.

WELFARE is the burden that society bears for the failings of the economy.

It does NOT solve the problem, it merely kicks the can down the road.

Those kids are NOT part of their society in any meaningful way, they are wards of the state and wards without ADULT supervision.

Ever hear thing adage, PC?

Idle hands are the devil's playthings.

If we want to solve this kind of problem, finding ways to integrate those skilless and economically unviable kids into society in a way that gives them some damned good reason to work is the way to do it.

Sadly, there is no way to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

I feel spanked, Techy.

No, I didn't actually miss it, but I did see it as a deflection, so pushed it to the side.

I want an admission that society has strayed far from the correct path. Cradle-to-grave is not a safety net.
Small government, individual rights and personal responsibility.
"It is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which
freedom can securely stand." John Adams.

Lack of attention to the above= London today.

 

[tigerbob]

Yeah all those rioting kids could have been part of the ENGLANDS elite class, but instead, and because of liberalism they CHOOSE to be poor, right?

What a load bullocks.

What you have here are kids who have no good reason to play by the rules because the rules inform them that they are economically/socially worthless.

And they ARE economically worthless in that society, too.

And heads up. kiddies, a LOT MORE OF PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD are going to BECOME economically worthless as times goes by, too.

Unless we address the growing problem of human redundancy these kinds of problems are only going to grow worse.

And the solution is NOT a welfare state, it's a WORK-FAIR state.

But of course that would be even more socialistic and fraught with all the problems associated with a society that has concentrated power into the hands of a few that we've got right now, wouldn't it?

20%-25% of the human population is already redundant and that trend is rapidly growing as techological advances replace human labor.

You guys throw around the word 'poor' as though it has some actual meaning.
It does not, in the era of the welfare state.

Free healthcare for life, all the accoutrements that accrue in a liberal welfare socialist environmment....

...did you know that unemployment benefits are forever?
"...It is paid until you find work."
Unemployment benefits explained | Consumer affairs | Times Online


History isn't enough proof for you??
London on fire isn't enough proof?

Wise up: free-market and traditional values or what we are witnessing.

Did you miss the meaning of this, PC?

And the solution is NOT a welfare state, it's a WORK-FAIR state.

Apparently you did.

WELFARE is the burden that society bears for the failings of the economy.

It does NOT solve the problem, it merely kicks the can down the road.

Those kids are NOT part of their society in any meaningful way, they are wards of the state and wards without ADULT supervision.

Ever hear thing adage, PC?

Idle hands are the devil's playthings.

If we want to solve this kind of problem, finding ways to integrate those skilless and economically unviable kids into society in a way that gives them some damned good reason to work is the way to do it.

Sadly, there is no way to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

That's an interesting point, and one with which I have a fair degree of sympathy.

The issue is that, in this economy, one either makes cuts or kicks the can yet further down the road. Britain and the US have approached this issue in largely different ways.

British kids have a huuuuuge amount of opportunity for either higher education or vocational training at minimal or no cost when compared to the US. However, because so many things are so easy to get (compared to other countries) the moment one of those benefits is removed or, heaven forbid, has a cost attached to it, the cries of righteous indignation can be heard the length and breadth of the land.

The difference between many of the older genration and many of the younger is that the older generation recognize that they ARE actually paying for services through taxation and national insurance, while many of the younger have not really started to get their heads round that fact, in many cases because they have spent all their adult lives so far getting money from the state rather than paying money to the state.

And not surprisingly, if you look at the age demographic of those arrested, it is apparent that it is the under 25s that are causing the vast majority of the damage.

That said, though there are certainly a vast number of unemployed youths involved in the troublemaking there are also, as Colin mentioned, a number of better off, better educated, gainfully employed people in the mix as well.

What on earth reason they can have for torching cars and putting bricks through windows is completely beyond me. Any excuse they may try to give about their actions being politically motivated is instantly undermined by the actions they are taking to supposedly air their grievances.

 

[tigerbob]

Given that people in the UK are fiercely divided over what caused the riots it isn't unimaginable that the rest of the world is too.

And that opinion of mine is formed by reading the UK media.

You mean imaginable I guess, unless that was sarcasm.

People in the UK are not so fiercely divided over what caused the riots as you might imagine. What people are divided about is how to fix it. And that's a very good question.

 

[kiwiman127]

Way to post one old guy's opinion... Liberal dogma? Please give me a break. ALL "liberals" I know:

1. Have jobs, not just jobs but REALLY good jobs - most are in the science and creative fields. Most make really good money.

2. I am one of those who grew up in poverty being raised by a single mother, and my dad abandoned us when I was 12 and refused to pay child support for the three of us. I guess that makes me and the millions like me morally adrift animals. I'll let you take that up with my mom.

3. All of the "liberals" I know are very well educated and hold advanced degrees, and very much make education a priority with their children. You righties on the other hand seem bound and determined to denigrate education... so which is it?

4. I gather from your little highlighting session that people who do not make a living wage, (interestingly in a time when there are very few living wage jobs to be had) should starve.

5. These riots started due to the shooting of an unarmed man, who is a member of this disenfranchised class. This is what happens when you impose austerity measures on people already struggling. Seems you dolts won't learn your lessons from the French Revolution.

You are probably the biggest partisan hack I have ever seen other than Jarhead. Congratulations.

Lol! Another expert from 8,000 miles away! Before you respond with such asinine partisan hackery, just make sure you are on firm ground, which you are not in this case. This has nothing to do with whether the rioters and looters are liberals, cons, independents or nazis! it as everything to do with liberalist policies implemented over the years. It has everything to do with the breakdown of discipline and the lack of appropriate punishment as a deterrent.

It started with the policies of banning completely any form of corporal punishment in schools right down to the situation that even if a teacher lays a hand on a pupil, even to restrain, they will be subjected to suspension, probably court and loss of job. Liberal policies have stripped teachers of the tools necessary to maintain control in the education environment. Liberalist policies also determined that competition was a bad thing for young children, so what did they force through. Competitive games were banned in most primary schools. Give us a break! Life is one huge competition!

We have seen the abolishment of the death sentence and the huge watering down of judicial sentencing to the extent that many criminals now receive nothing more than a slap on the wrist and a community sentence of a few weeks tidying the streets.

There are thousand upon thousand of teenage girls who want to get pregnant. Why? So thay get free accommodation, free furniture, washing machine etc and a montly income. The more brats they pump out, the more income they gain.

These ******* scum bags aren't poor! They all have expensive cell phones wear designer clothes, smoke and drink. What you don't see, as I have this morning, are these same scumbags leaving courts and giving V signs and saying who cares. They ain't gonna jail us!

I could go on, but quite frankly I know I would be wasting my breath. After all, some of you guys seem to think you know more about foreign countries than those who live in them! Just keep you partisan hackery for your own politics for it's more than obvious you know **** all about ours!

I suspect that Colin's response is partisan hackery based on my numerous interactions with Brits on the old MSN UK boards. On those boards, there were Brits from all walks of life and with various political convictions. Colin's opinion is just that, one Brit's opinion that is one of many. I sure the hell wouldn't base any opinion on just Colin's perception. Knowing the the UK's version of conservatives would fall into the RINO camp in the US, I suspect Colin is of the far right grouping.

 

[Colin]

Way to post one old guy's opinion... Liberal dogma? Please give me a break. ALL "liberals" I know:

1. Have jobs, not just jobs but REALLY good jobs - most are in the science and creative fields. Most make really good money.

2. I am one of those who grew up in poverty being raised by a single mother, and my dad abandoned us when I was 12 and refused to pay child support for the three of us. I guess that makes me and the millions like me morally adrift animals. I'll let you take that up with my mom.

3. All of the "liberals" I know are very well educated and hold advanced degrees, and very much make education a priority with their children. You righties on the other hand seem bound and determined to denigrate education... so which is it?

4. I gather from your little highlighting session that people who do not make a living wage, (interestingly in a time when there are very few living wage jobs to be had) should starve.

5. These riots started due to the shooting of an unarmed man, who is a member of this disenfranchised class. This is what happens when you impose austerity measures on people already struggling. Seems you dolts won't learn your lessons from the French Revolution.

You are probably the biggest partisan hack I have ever seen other than Jarhead. Congratulations.

Lol! Another expert from 8,000 miles away! Before you respond with such asinine partisan hackery, just make sure you are on firm ground, which you are not in this case. This has nothing to do with whether the rioters and looters are liberals, cons, independents or nazis! it as everything to do with liberalist policies implemented over the years. It has everything to do with the breakdown of discipline and the lack of appropriate punishment as a deterrent.

It started with the policies of banning completely any form of corporal punishment in schools right down to the situation that even if a teacher lays a hand on a pupil, even to restrain, they will be subjected to suspension, probably court and loss of job. Liberal policies have stripped teachers of the tools necessary to maintain control in the education environment. Liberalist policies also determined that competition was a bad thing for young children, so what did they force through. Competitive games were banned in most primary schools. Give us a break! Life is one huge competition!

We have seen the abolishment of the death sentence and the huge watering down of judicial sentencing to the extent that many criminals now receive nothing more than a slap on the wrist and a community sentence of a few weeks tidying the streets.

There are thousand upon thousand of teenage girls who want to get pregnant. Why? So thay get free accommodation, free furniture, washing machine etc and a montly income. The more brats they pump out, the more income they gain.

These ******* scum bags aren't poor! They all have expensive cell phones wear designer clothes, smoke and drink. What you don't see, as I have this morning, are these same scumbags leaving courts and giving V signs and saying who cares. They ain't gonna jail us!

I could go on, but quite frankly I know I would be wasting my breath. After all, some of you guys seem to think you know more about foreign countries than those who live in them! Just keep you partisan hackery for your own politics for it's more than obvious you know **** all about ours!

I suspect that Colin's response is partisan hackery based on my numerous interactions with Brits on the old MSN UK boards. On those boards, there were Brits from all walks of life and with various political convictions. Colin's opinion is just that, one Brit's opinion that is one of many. I sure the hell wouldn't base any opinion on just Colin's perception. Knowing the the UK's version of conservatives would fall into the RINO camp in the US, I suspect Colin is of the far right grouping.

Then you would be wrong!

 

[kiwiman127]

Lol! Another expert from 8,000 miles away! Before you respond with such asinine partisan hackery, just make sure you are on firm ground, which you are not in this case. This has nothing to do with whether the rioters and looters are liberals, cons, independents or nazis! it as everything to do with liberalist policies implemented over the years. It has everything to do with the breakdown of discipline and the lack of appropriate punishment as a deterrent.

It started with the policies of banning completely any form of corporal punishment in schools right down to the situation that even if a teacher lays a hand on a pupil, even to restrain, they will be subjected to suspension, probably court and loss of job. Liberal policies have stripped teachers of the tools necessary to maintain control in the education environment. Liberalist policies also determined that competition was a bad thing for young children, so what did they force through. Competitive games were banned in most primary schools. Give us a break! Life is one huge competition!

We have seen the abolishment of the death sentence and the huge watering down of judicial sentencing to the extent that many criminals now receive nothing more than a slap on the wrist and a community sentence of a few weeks tidying the streets.

There are thousand upon thousand of teenage girls who want to get pregnant. Why? So thay get free accommodation, free furniture, washing machine etc and a montly income. The more brats they pump out, the more income they gain.

These ******* scum bags aren't poor! They all have expensive cell phones wear designer clothes, smoke and drink. What you don't see, as I have this morning, are these same scumbags leaving courts and giving V signs and saying who cares. They ain't gonna jail us!

I could go on, but quite frankly I know I would be wasting my breath. After all, some of you guys seem to think you know more about foreign countries than those who live in them! Just keep you partisan hackery for your own politics for it's more than obvious you know **** all about ours!

I suspect that Colin's response is partisan hackery based on my numerous interactions with Brits on the old MSN UK boards. On those boards, there were Brits from all walks of life and with various political convictions. Colin's opinion is just that, one Brit's opinion that is one of many. I sure the hell wouldn't base any opinion on just Colin's perception. Knowing the the UK's version of conservatives would fall into the RINO camp in the US, I suspect Colin is of the far right grouping.

Then you would be wrong!

And that's your opinion, which you have every right to state. My opinion is based on over a thousand of interactions with Brits on a political discussion board like this one.

 

[tigerbob]

Way to post one old guy's opinion... Liberal dogma? Please give me a break. ALL "liberals" I know:

1. Have jobs, not just jobs but REALLY good jobs - most are in the science and creative fields. Most make really good money.

2. I am one of those who grew up in poverty being raised by a single mother, and my dad abandoned us when I was 12 and refused to pay child support for the three of us. I guess that makes me and the millions like me morally adrift animals. I'll let you take that up with my mom.

3. All of the "liberals" I know are very well educated and hold advanced degrees, and very much make education a priority with their children. You righties on the other hand seem bound and determined to denigrate education... so which is it?

4. I gather from your little highlighting session that people who do not make a living wage, (interestingly in a time when there are very few living wage jobs to be had) should starve.

5. These riots started due to the shooting of an unarmed man, who is a member of this disenfranchised class. This is what happens when you impose austerity measures on people already struggling. Seems you dolts won't learn your lessons from the French Revolution.

You are probably the biggest partisan hack I have ever seen other than Jarhead. Congratulations.

Lol! Another expert from 8,000 miles away! Before you respond with such asinine partisan hackery, just make sure you are on firm ground, which you are not in this case. This has nothing to do with whether the rioters and looters are liberals, cons, independents or nazis! it as everything to do with liberalist policies implemented over the years. It has everything to do with the breakdown of discipline and the lack of appropriate punishment as a deterrent.

It started with the policies of banning completely any form of corporal punishment in schools right down to the situation that even if a teacher lays a hand on a pupil, even to restrain, they will be subjected to suspension, probably court and loss of job. Liberal policies have stripped teachers of the tools necessary to maintain control in the education environment. Liberalist policies also determined that competition was a bad thing for young children, so what did they force through. Competitive games were banned in most primary schools. Give us a break! Life is one huge competition!

We have seen the abolishment of the death sentence and the huge watering down of judicial sentencing to the extent that many criminals now receive nothing more than a slap on the wrist and a community sentence of a few weeks tidying the streets.

There are thousand upon thousand of teenage girls who want to get pregnant. Why? So thay get free accommodation, free furniture, washing machine etc and a montly income. The more brats they pump out, the more income they gain.

These ******* scum bags aren't poor! They all have expensive cell phones wear designer clothes, smoke and drink. What you don't see, as I have this morning, are these same scumbags leaving courts and giving V signs and saying who cares. They ain't gonna jail us!

I could go on, but quite frankly I know I would be wasting my breath. After all, some of you guys seem to think you know more about foreign countries than those who live in them! Just keep you partisan hackery for your own politics for it's more than obvious you know **** all about ours!

I suspect that Colin's response is partisan hackery based on my numerous interactions with Brits on the old MSN UK boards. On those boards, there were Brits from all walks of life and with various political convictions. Colin's opinion is just that, one Brit's opinion that is one of many. I sure the hell wouldn't base any opinion on just Colin's perception. Knowing the the UK's version of conservatives would fall into the RINO camp in the US, I suspect Colin is of the far right grouping.

You dismiss Colin's opinion because it's only the opinion of one individual, and then go on to make a sweeping statement about British Conservatism based on the people you have interacted with on message boards.



Really?

 

[Ravi]

Way to post one old guy's opinion... Liberal dogma? Please give me a break. ALL "liberals" I know:

1. Have jobs, not just jobs but REALLY good jobs - most are in the science and creative fields. Most make really good money.

2. I am one of those who grew up in poverty being raised by a single mother, and my dad abandoned us when I was 12 and refused to pay child support for the three of us. I guess that makes me and the millions like me morally adrift animals. I'll let you take that up with my mom.

3. All of the "liberals" I know are very well educated and hold advanced degrees, and very much make education a priority with their children. You righties on the other hand seem bound and determined to denigrate education... so which is it?

4. I gather from your little highlighting session that people who do not make a living wage, (interestingly in a time when there are very few living wage jobs to be had) should starve.

5. These riots started due to the shooting of an unarmed man, who is a member of this disenfranchised class. This is what happens when you impose austerity measures on people already struggling. Seems you dolts won't learn your lessons from the French Revolution.

You are probably the biggest partisan hack I have ever seen other than Jarhead. Congratulations.

Lol! Another expert from 8,000 miles away! Before you respond with such asinine partisan hackery, just make sure you are on firm ground, which you are not in this case. This has nothing to do with whether the rioters and looters are liberals, cons, independents or nazis! it as everything to do with liberalist policies implemented over the years. It has everything to do with the breakdown of discipline and the lack of appropriate punishment as a deterrent.

It started with the policies of banning completely any form of corporal punishment in schools right down to the situation that even if a teacher lays a hand on a pupil, even to restrain, they will be subjected to suspension, probably court and loss of job. Liberal policies have stripped teachers of the tools necessary to maintain control in the education environment. Liberalist policies also determined that competition was a bad thing for young children, so what did they force through. Competitive games were banned in most primary schools. Give us a break! Life is one huge competition!

We have seen the abolishment of the death sentence and the huge watering down of judicial sentencing to the extent that many criminals now receive nothing more than a slap on the wrist and a community sentence of a few weeks tidying the streets.

There are thousand upon thousand of teenage girls who want to get pregnant. Why? So thay get free accommodation, free furniture, washing machine etc and a montly income. The more brats they pump out, the more income they gain.

These ******* scum bags aren't poor! They all have expensive cell phones wear designer clothes, smoke and drink. What you don't see, as I have this morning, are these same scumbags leaving courts and giving V signs and saying who cares. They ain't gonna jail us!

I could go on, but quite frankly I know I would be wasting my breath. After all, some of you guys seem to think you know more about foreign countries than those who live in them! Just keep you partisan hackery for your own politics for it's more than obvious you know **** all about ours!

I suspect that Colin's response is partisan hackery based on my numerous interactions with Brits on the old MSN UK boards. On those boards, there were Brits from all walks of life and with various political convictions. Colin's opinion is just that, one Brit's opinion that is one of many. I sure the hell wouldn't base any opinion on just Colin's perception. Knowing the the UK's version of conservatives would fall into the RINO camp in the US, I suspect Colin is of the far right grouping.

No, he's actually a real conservative as far as I can tell.

 

[tigerbob]

I suspect that Colin's response is partisan hackery based on my numerous interactions with Brits on the old MSN UK boards. On those boards, there were Brits from all walks of life and with various political convictions. Colin's opinion is just that, one Brit's opinion that is one of many. I sure the hell wouldn't base any opinion on just Colin's perception. Knowing the the UK's version of conservatives would fall into the RINO camp in the US, I suspect Colin is of the far right grouping.

Then you would be wrong!

And that's your opinion, which you have every right to state. My opinion is based on over a thousand of interactions with Brits on a political discussion board like this one.

NOTE TO COLIN: For god's sake man, stop interacting with real people and interact with them only online in future!



Kiwi, your posts are making the wait for the next Seinfeld repeat a lot easier to deal with.

 

[kiwiman127]

Lol! Another expert from 8,000 miles away! Before you respond with such asinine partisan hackery, just make sure you are on firm ground, which you are not in this case. This has nothing to do with whether the rioters and looters are liberals, cons, independents or nazis! it as everything to do with liberalist policies implemented over the years. It has everything to do with the breakdown of discipline and the lack of appropriate punishment as a deterrent.

It started with the policies of banning completely any form of corporal punishment in schools right down to the situation that even if a teacher lays a hand on a pupil, even to restrain, they will be subjected to suspension, probably court and loss of job. Liberal policies have stripped teachers of the tools necessary to maintain control in the education environment. Liberalist policies also determined that competition was a bad thing for young children, so what did they force through. Competitive games were banned in most primary schools. Give us a break! Life is one huge competition!

We have seen the abolishment of the death sentence and the huge watering down of judicial sentencing to the extent that many criminals now receive nothing more than a slap on the wrist and a community sentence of a few weeks tidying the streets.

There are thousand upon thousand of teenage girls who want to get pregnant. Why? So thay get free accommodation, free furniture, washing machine etc and a montly income. The more brats they pump out, the more income they gain.

These ******* scum bags aren't poor! They all have expensive cell phones wear designer clothes, smoke and drink. What you don't see, as I have this morning, are these same scumbags leaving courts and giving V signs and saying who cares. They ain't gonna jail us!

I could go on, but quite frankly I know I would be wasting my breath. After all, some of you guys seem to think you know more about foreign countries than those who live in them! Just keep you partisan hackery for your own politics for it's more than obvious you know **** all about ours!

I suspect that Colin's response is partisan hackery based on my numerous interactions with Brits on the old MSN UK boards. On those boards, there were Brits from all walks of life and with various political convictions. Colin's opinion is just that, one Brit's opinion that is one of many. I sure the hell wouldn't base any opinion on just Colin's perception. Knowing the the UK's version of conservatives would fall into the RINO camp in the US, I suspect Colin is of the far right grouping.

You dismiss Colin's opinion because it's only the opinion of one individual, and then go on to make a sweeping statement about British Conservatism based on the people you have interacted with on message boards.



Really?

Maybe you should interact with more Brits?
Just like here in the US, there are varying degrees of conservatives and liberals. Colin reminded me of the more far right conservatives that I interacted with. So I stated that!
So shoot me.

 

[tigerbob]

I suspect that Colin's response is partisan hackery based on my numerous interactions with Brits on the old MSN UK boards. On those boards, there were Brits from all walks of life and with various political convictions. Colin's opinion is just that, one Brit's opinion that is one of many. I sure the hell wouldn't base any opinion on just Colin's perception. Knowing the the UK's version of conservatives would fall into the RINO camp in the US, I suspect Colin is of the far right grouping.

You dismiss Colin's opinion because it's only the opinion of one individual, and then go on to make a sweeping statement about British Conservatism based on the people you have interacted with on message boards.



Really?

Maybe you should interact with more Brits?
Just like here in the US, there are varying degrees of conservatives and liberals. Colin reminded me of the more far right conservatives that I interacted with. So I stated that!
So shoot me.

That's your best one yet.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I suspect that Colin's response is partisan hackery based on my numerous interactions with Brits on the old MSN UK boards. On those boards, there were Brits from all walks of life and with various political convictions. Colin's opinion is just that, one Brit's opinion that is one of many. I sure the hell wouldn't base any opinion on just Colin's perception. Knowing the the UK's version of conservatives would fall into the RINO camp in the US, I suspect Colin is of the far right grouping.

You dismiss Colin's opinion because it's only the opinion of one individual, and then go on to make a sweeping statement about British Conservatism based on the people you have interacted with on message boards.



Really?

Maybe you should interact with more Brits?
Just like here in the US, there are varying degrees of conservatives and liberals. Colin reminded me of the more far right conservatives that I interacted with. So I stated that!
So shoot me.

And you, personally....do you think a societal attitude, as outlined by Hastings, is- at least in part- responsible for the mayhem?