London turning into a war zone

[Rikurzhen]

Liberalism fits hand in glove with totalitarianism.

Well, of course....that's why we have had so many liberal dictators, and so few right wing dictators. Except for Stroessner, Cristiani, Pinochet, Rios Montte, Franco, Antonescu, Hitler, of course, oh, and the Argentine Dirty Generals, etc, etc, etc....

Honestly...you have to laugh, don't you?

You forgot the Leftwing dictators, Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, the Kims, Chavez, and of course the Frankfurt cadre.

 

[Saigon]

Rik -

I didn't forget anything - of course there have been dozens of left-wing dictators, but none of them could have been described as 'liberals'.

Again, if you are unclear what terms mean, don't use them.


Hitler was right-wing, btw. Check fascism is any dictionary.

 

[I.P.Freely]

Rik -

I didn't forget anything - of course there have been dozens of left-wing dictators, but none of them could have been described as 'liberals'.

Again, if you are unclear what terms mean, don't use them.


Hitler was right-wing, btw. Check fascism is any dictionary.

Fragrant

 

[I.P.Freely]

England has Special Forces guarding Buckingham Palace.

I am shocked.

What next? Police outside Number 10 Downing Street?

They aren't "special forces". They are officers from SO19, the MET's Firearms Command unit. You don't just see them outside of Buckingham Palace, either. You see them all over the city. I know it's easy for you to adopt a mocking tone from the safety of lily-White Finland, but we have a problem in the U.K. It's called multiculturalism, and the images you're commenting on are an unfortunate consequence of this failed venture.

I was in London 3 years ago, and the year before that, and the year before that, etc. Been there so many times I'd have to sit down and make a list to count how many times in the past 10-12 years. I have never seen anything remotely like in that picture: nothing whatsoever.

Bollocks, haven't you. They might not be wearing the blue jumpsuit like pictured in the OP, but anyone who's familiar with London and the MET knows that BMWs are reserved exclusively for SO19/Firearms Command. I see these vehicles all the time, and I know there are police officers armed with either H&K MP5s, G36s or Glock 17s inside.

out of the met 31.5k officers how many are routinely armed like the first picture?

 

[Indofred]

we have a problem in the U.K. It's called multiculturalism, and the images you're commenting on are an unfortunate consequence of this failed venture.

Actually, no.
The special unit was set up after Harry Roberts, a fine white British chap, murdered three coppers in 1966.
Other than the American funded IRA terrorist attacks, there have been no terrorist attacks in the UK, save a few in response to Tony Blair's illegal wars.

Bit hard to moan when people you attack hit you back.

 

[Phoenall]

By the way, is that a Nokia cellphone? I think iPhone or at least Samsung Galaxy would have been a better choice.



The face of policing in London in the age of Islamic terrorism Daily Mail Online

NO it is a special trunking radio that can be used to make secure calls via a system of repeater stations. Acts as a standard two way radio between the officer and base, or as a mobile phone between handset and telephone networks. A selective tone system means that the information is carried on a silent spread spectrum radio bandwidth that needs the same computer generated tone to resolve the signal

In the Army we called it moble-subscribers, FM, better known as Fucking Magic.

That about sums it up, and the bad guys cant listen in on their scanners anymore as they don't have the decoders or the algorithms to generate the needed tones and hops. I use a similar method for local communications on 145mhz, but it is restricted to one frequency/channel.

 

[Phoenall]

Swagger -

I have a hard time accepting that any party with clear links to crypto-fascists is a useful source on anything other than where to buy jackboots.

I don't argue that the UKIP is doing well electorally right now - but more fool Britian for forgetting WWII.

Yeah, so they've allied themselves with a few groups who've made some critical remarks on Muslims and Jews. Big deal. I'd rather ally myself with a "crypto-fascist" than the latest jackboot on the block: the E.U.

Or the neo Marxists who see no harm in starving 10 million to death, and mass murdering Jews 20 years before the Nazi's did it

 

[Phoenall]

we have a problem in the U.K. It's called multiculturalism, and the images you're commenting on are an unfortunate consequence of this failed venture.

Actually, no.
The special unit was set up after Harry Roberts, a fine white British chap, murdered three coppers in 1966.
Other than the American funded IRA terrorist attacks, there have been no terrorist attacks in the UK, save a few in response to Tony Blair's illegal wars.

Bit hard to moan when people you attack hit you back.

1984 Pan Am flight was a terrorist attack, then we had Kris Donald another terrorist attack. Charlene Downey a terror attack and every single one of the girls raped by their Pakistani boyfriends were terrorists attacks. So there have been plenty of terrorist attacks that the muslims want to see swept under the carpet, and we need a strong government that is prepared to make a few innocents suffer to protect the majority from terrorism.

 

[Rikurzhen]

Hitler was right-wing, btw. Check fascism is any dictionary.

Right wing to a communist, sure.

“We Workers Have Awakened. We’re Voting National Socialist.”

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“With Germany Against Capitalism”

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“Our Socialism Your Future”

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Why don't we let Nazis, instead of liberal totalitarians, define themselves:

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The Nazis argued that capitalism damages nations due to international finance, the economic dominance of big business, and Jewish influences.[167] Nazi propaganda posters in working class districts emphasised anti-capitalism, such as one that said: "The maintenance of a rotten industrial system has nothing to do with nationalism. I can love Germany and hate capitalism."[174]

Adolf Hitler, both in public and in private, expressed disdain for capitalism, arguing that it holds nations ransom in the interests of a parasitic cosmopolitan rentier class.[175] He opposed free market capitalism's profit-seeking impulses and desired an economy in which community interests would be upheld.[154]

Hitler distrusted capitalism for being unreliable due to its egotism, and he preferred a state-directed economy that is subordinated to the interests of the Volk.[175] Hitler said in 1927, "We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions."[176]

Hitler told a party leader in 1934, "The economic system of our day is the creation of the Jews."[175] Hitler said to Benito Mussolini that "Capitalism had run its course".[175] Hitler also said that the business bourgeoisie "know nothing except their profit. 'Fatherland' is only a word for them."[177] Hitler was personally disgusted with the ruling bourgeois elites of Germany during the period of the Weimar Republic, who he referred to as "cowardly shits".[178]

In Mein Kampf, Hitler effectively supported mercantilism, in the belief that economic resources from their respective territories should be seized by force; he believed that the policy of Lebensraum would provide Germany with such economically valuable territories.[179] He argued that the only means to maintain economic security was to have direct control over resources rather than being forced to rely on world trade.[179] He claimed that war to gain such resources was the only means to surpass the failing capitalist economic system.[179]

A number of other Nazis held strong revolutionary socialist and anti-capitalist beliefs, most prominently Ernst Röhm, the leader of the Sturmabteilung (SA).[180] Röhm claimed that the Nazis' rise to power constituted a national revolution, but insisted that a socialist "second revolution" was required for Nazi ideology to be fulfilled.[30] Röhm's SA began attacks against individuals deemed to be associated with conservative reaction.[30] Hitler saw Röhm's independent actions as violating and possibly threatening his leadership, as well as jeopardising the regime by alienating the conservative President Paul von Hindenburg and the conservative-oriented German Army.[31] This resulted in Hitler purging Röhm and other radical members of the SA.[31]

Another radical Nazi, Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels had stressed the socialist character of Nazism, and claimed in his diary in the 1920s that if he were to pick between Bolshevism and capitalism, he said "in final analysis", "it would be better for us to go down with Bolshevism than live in eternal slavery under capitalism."

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I'm at a loss as to why you think that you vomiting out leftist propaganda would be helpful here. Everyone has been bathed in this leftist propaganda. It was pretty remarkable actually, presenting National SOCIALISM as a creation of free market, small government, conservatives. The foundation of socialism might be a hint that Nazism wasn't birthed or nurtured by conservatives or the right. But there are plenty of useful idiots out in society who will buy any claptrap pushed by liberal ideologues in the academy intent on distancing their beloved socialism from the murder inherent in socialism's foundations.

Hitler purging the radicals within the party is a sign of expedience, not principle. Hitler's own statements show where the man's convictions lay.

 

[Rikurzhen]

Check fascism is any dictionary.

Dictionary.com:

a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism
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Library of Economics and Liberty:

As an economic system, fascism is socialism with a capitalist veneer. The word derives from fasces, the Roman symbol of collectivism and power: a tied bundle of rods with a protruding ax.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism​

Merriam-Webster Dictionary:

a way of organizing a society in which a government ruled by a dictator controls the lives of the people and in which people are not allowed to disagree with the government
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The Free Dictionary:

a. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
b. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
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YourDictionary.com

1. the doctrines, methods, or movement of the Fascisti
2. a system of government characterized by rigid one-party dictatorship, forcible suppression of opposition, private economic enterprise under centralized governmental control, belligerent nationalism, racism, and militarism, etc.

Cambridge Dictionairies Online:

a political system based on a very powerful leader, state control, and being extremely proud of country and race, and in which political opposition is not allowed
http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/Fascism.html​

BusinessDictionary.com

Political ideology that imposes strict social and economical measures as a method of empowering the government and stripping citizens of rights. This authoritative system of government is usually headed by an absolute dictator who keeps citizens suppressed via acts of violence and strict laws that govern the people. The most noted form of Fascism was implemented under Benito Mussolini and Adolf Hitler, who both stripped citizens of their rights and maintained strict regimes that resulted in the deaths of thousands of humans. Some of the defining characteristics of fascism are: (1) racism, (2) militarism, (3) dictatorship, and (4) destructive nationalistic policies.
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TheAmericanHeritageDictionary.com

a. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, a capitalist economy subject to stringent governmental controls, violent suppression of the opposition, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
b. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.​

 

[Saigon]

Rik -

Excellent. Glad we got that sorted out.

If you still don't understand why Hitler is right wing, I don't mind explaining, although there are alrady a few threads here where posters have explained it for others.

Given most dictionaties explain this quite clearly, I m always baffled when people get so confused by the 'Nazi' name. It's like insisting that the Democratic Republic of North Korea MUST be democracy.

 

[Saigon]

Swagger -

I have a hard time accepting that any party with clear links to crypto-fascists is a useful source on anything other than where to buy jackboots.

I don't argue that the UKIP is doing well electorally right now - but more fool Britian for forgetting WWII.

Yeah, so they've allied themselves with a few groups who've made some critical remarks on Muslims and Jews. Big deal. I'd rather ally myself with a "crypto-fascist" than the latest jackboot on the block: the E.U.

Or the neo Marxists who see no harm in starving 10 million to death, and mass murdering Jews 20 years before the Nazi's did it

neo Marxists (sic) did this?

Where?

I'm confused, given that the term neo-Marxist had not even been coined at that point in history....or do you nor know what 'neo Marxist' means either?

 

[Rikurzhen]

Rik -

Excellent. Glad we got that sorted out.

If you still don't understand why Hitler is right wing, I don't mind explaining, although there are alrady a few threads here where posters have explained it for others.

Given most dictionaties explain this quite clearly, I m always baffled when people get so confused by the 'Nazi' name. It's like insisting that the Democratic Republic of North Korea MUST be democracy.

Silly me, I momentarily forgot who I was dealing with - you're the fellow who keeps insisting "More Guns = More Murders" when I've twice shown you data which falsifies your views. No wonder you still believe that Hitler represents the Right, despite no dictionary defining fascism in such a manner and Hitler himself declaring his opposition to capitalism and other conservative values.

You keep on being you, as you old farts die off the younger generations won't be burdened with the same leftist conditioning which infected you and won't let you break free of its grip.

 

[Saigon]

Rik -

The reason you do not understand this already is because you won't listen.

The reason you will not listen is your own conditioning. It has nothing to do with anyone else.

This is my area of expertise, and what I often do for a living. I have likely published more on this topic than you have read.

I don't mind explaining these things, even though it does take some time.

But if you'd prefer to go on disagreeing with dictionaries - go right ahead.

Btw. Hitler did sometimes attack conservatives. But then, he was not a conservative. He was a Nazi. They are as far apart as Communism is from Social Democrats.

 

[I.P.Freely]

By the way, is that a Nokia cellphone? I think iPhone or at least Samsung Galaxy would have been a better choice.



The face of policing in London in the age of Islamic terrorism Daily Mail Online

NO it is a special trunking radio that can be used to make secure calls via a system of repeater stations. Acts as a standard two way radio between the officer and base, or as a mobile phone between handset and telephone networks. A selective tone system means that the information is carried on a silent spread spectrum radio bandwidth that needs the same computer generated tone to resolve the signal

In the Army we called it moble-subscribers, FM, better known as Fucking Magic.

That about sums it up, and the bad guys cant listen in on their scanners anymore as they don't have the decoders or the algorithms to generate the needed tones and hops. I use a similar method for local communications on 145mhz, but it is restricted to one frequency/channel.

I bet it comes in useful sick note when you have to warn the other scroungers the DSS inspectors are about.

 

[Indofred]

1984 Pan Am flight was a terrorist attack

It was, and by Palestinians.
It was done to attack the IDF, using an American aircraft because you were funding the Israelis.
As a part of the supply chain that allows mass murder of civilians, your government makes you a target.

 

[Vikrant]

we have a problem in the U.K. It's called multiculturalism, and the images you're commenting on are an unfortunate consequence of this failed venture.

Actually, no.
The special unit was set up after Harry Roberts, a fine white British chap, murdered three coppers in 1966.
Other than the American funded IRA terrorist attacks, there have been no terrorist attacks in the UK, save a few in response to Tony Blair's illegal wars.

Bit hard to moan when people you attack hit you back.

1984 Pan Am flight was a terrorist attack, then we had Kris Donald another terrorist attack. Charlene Downey a terror attack and every single one of the girls raped by their Pakistani boyfriends were terrorists attacks. So there have been plenty of terrorist attacks that the muslims want to see swept under the carpet, and we need a strong government that is prepared to make a few innocents suffer to protect the majority from terrorism.

You are sick in your head because a strong government does not torture or kill innocents in order to fight terrorism. You are simply using Islamic fundamentalism to further your fascist agenda. If you were not then you would have seen that David Cameron and his administration is already taking tough measures to protect UK from terrorists.

 

[Swagger]

Rik -

The reason you do not understand this already is because you won't listen.

The reason you will not listen is your own conditioning. It has nothing to do with anyone else.

This is my area of expertise, and what I often do for a living. I have likely published more on this topic than you have read.

I don't mind explaining these things, even though it does take some time.

But if you'd prefer to go on disagreeing with dictionaries - go right ahead.

Btw. Hitler did sometimes attack conservatives. But then, he was not a conservative. He was a Nazi. They are as far apart as Communism is from Social Democrats.

I don't know if you've noticed up there in cloud cuckoo land, but down here on planet earth notable historians, biographers and dictionaries disagree with you. Rather strongly, in fact.

 

[mudwhistle]

1984 Pan Am flight was a terrorist attack

It was, and by Palestinians.
It was done to attack the IDF, using an American aircraft because you were funding the Israelis.
As a part of the supply chain that allows mass murder of civilians, your government makes you a target.

Funny, you guys blow yourselves up and then blame it on Israel. That's what it looks like to me. Israel forced you to use a suicide vest or a truck bomb to kill innocent Muslims.

I suggest you look at yourself before you blame anyone else for your bigotry and hatred for anyone who doesn't practice your religion.

 

[Saigon]

Rik -

The reason you do not understand this already is because you won't listen.

The reason you will not listen is your own conditioning. It has nothing to do with anyone else.

This is my area of expertise, and what I often do for a living. I have likely published more on this topic than you have read.

I don't mind explaining these things, even though it does take some time.

But if you'd prefer to go on disagreeing with dictionaries - go right ahead.

Btw. Hitler did sometimes attack conservatives. But then, he was not a conservative. He was a Nazi. They are as far apart as Communism is from Social Democrats.

I don't know if you've noticed up there in cloud cuckoo land, but down here on planet earth notable historians, biographers and dictionaries disagree with you. Rather strongly, in fact.

Name one.

Because Kerhaw, Overy, Marris, Montefiore and Browning all confirm that Hitler was right wing. As will any other reliable source.

Seriously dude, this is no debatable - it's simple historical fact.