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I believe the Pope you refer to was voted Pope as constituted in the Roman Catholic Church. So, what makes him "fake?" Or, do you not know the definition of the word "fake?" He was ex'd by the Pope. The real Pope of the Roman Catholic Church.#BREAKING | Vatican dismisses Father Frank Pavone from priesthood
The Dicastery for Clergy issued the decision on Nov. 9.
Go, Fr. Frank!
That excommunication is as fake as the pope who gave it
You are ignorant.
I also taught high school at a Catholic School for 16 years bonehead. I'm well aware of Catholics and their beliefs and history. Here's a stunner for you. "John VIII was assassinated in 882 by his own clerics; he was first poisoned, and then clubbed to death.[5] The motives may have been his exhaustion of the papal treasury, his lack of support among the Carolingians, his gestures towards the Byzantines, and his failure to stop the Saracen raids.[15] Without the protection of powerful magnates or the Carolingian emperor, the papacy after John VIII's reign became increasingly subject to the machinations and greedy ambition of the rival clans of the local nobility."
no, you're just too lazy to find out the whole story. I didn't know that stuf about John VIII (and still don't know it bc it hasn't been verified by yours truly) but I know some history of the Church and never said there have never been problems in the CC before Vatican II. But it seems to me that the CC never went 60 years w/o a real pope. Or you could say the real one is in the SsPX but that group doesn't seem to want to claim a pope of their own, for who knows what reasons. I sometimes think they should and when I'm not thinking that, I'm wondering what else would make more sense?
I've never been Catholic. I, as other non-Catholics, taught at this school. In any case, the same kinds of things have happened over the Centuries that you claim are now a reason to ditch the RCC. I'm just saying, it didn't start in 1958. It started in 325 at the Council at Nicene. Those who didn't follow the emperor were killed. That's not how Jesus started His Church in 30 A.D. And, that isn't how He'd get His Church going again in these latter days. This could be why your SsPX group doesn't claim spiritual leadership because they also know this requires revelation and personal intervention by Jesus Christ himself.
you are wrong on several points here but ... For one thing, I don't recall reading about that in Church history.. people being killed for not following the emperor, unless you mean.. well, whatever. I can't argue since I don't recall reading that when I read Church history.. no point on commenting further. obviously neither one of us was there.
Once again, if you are going to use this same logic, I have to reason out that you are in the same boat with the CC you don't follow. The fake Church started in 325 A.D. and the same accusations took place in 882 A.D. with John VIII. I'm not advocating for one or the other side of your argument. According to your rules, not mine, neither the RCC or the branch offshoot you claim is the true RCC or the true Church of Jesus Christ. Don't get me wrong. I believe all churches that teach Christ have some truth in them. They mostly yield good people. The question is do they have the actual Priesthood Authority to administer the Ordinances of the Gospel correctly? If that died in 325 A.D. or 882 A.D., then all other churches that splintered off from them are incorrect and untrue without authority too. Simple logic and reasoning. Truth is reason and truth is eternal.
ok, you talk about using logic, etc.
And, they haven't. While the Church was taken from the earth with the authority, his kingdom or Church still existed and continues to exist in Heaven. You remember those Bible versus, right? Again, there have always been churches and religions since Adam and Eve. But, the authority of Heaven has not always been with man. But, not because God took it away. It's because man commits apostasy. So, the RCC, Russian Orthodox, Greek Orthodox and others have existed all along. But, none had the authority to perform the Ordinances and teach correct Doctrine. So, all those who have splintered off could not have the authority as well. It took a restoration of the Priesthood and Church to bring back authority. And, it had to be directly from Jesus Christ and His Apostles of old, Peter, James, John and also his Prophets like John the Baptist and Elijah. The Bible says it as "The time of the Restitution of all things." A restoration.
Again, you are wasting your efforts on me. Maybe someone else will read through this but I can't even get beyond the 1st sentence.
But, it has succumbed to the gates of Hell. The RCC is deceiving you and billions of others with False Doctrines, Ordinances and Authority. All leading the people away from the highest degree in Heaven, Celestial Glory. Let's review what Hell really is. Spiritually, it's a place in one's soul that knows they were deceived and it's too late at the Judgment Seat. The physical location of Hell is in Spirit Prison. There are two places in Spirit Prison where the dead spirits await the resurrection and judgment of God, Paradise and Hell. Without properly authorized Baptisms and other ordinances of Elijah connecting families forever, the spirits of men and women must wait in Hell. Those who did not have the full opportunity of knowing about the true Gospel will have an opportunity to be preached and taught the truth of the Gospel. If they accept the Lord's teachings (1Peter 3:17-22). What the Lord actually did was organize a missionary organization of spirits from Paradise to go to those in Hell and preach to them and teach them the fulness of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. It's then up to those living on Earth to vicariously do their baptisms and ordinances of Elijah so that they may join the rest in Paradise until the resurrection and judgment. So, your Poop and Ministers, Priestscrafters are leading people to the gates of Hell. And, we are doing all we can to help save them.Again, you are wasting your efforts on me. Maybe someone else will read through this but I can't even get beyond the 1st sentence.
The church was taken from the earth? Who told you that? Your "church"? Your church so called did not exist until the 1800s so why do you believe anything it says? It is a man made religion. The Church-- if it left Earth, would definitely have succumbed to the gates of Hell mentioned by Jesus, the gates that He promised would NOT prevail against His Church..
Tell me this is faulty logic?! You are calling Jesus a liar!
I read this far. Again, maybe someone else will read the rest and buy what you are selling.
You are closed minded and simply caught up in false doctrine like the RCC and the Protestants. Too bad. Your sect cannot be true because according to you, it came out of a false church. No, the only way the True Church can be restored is just that, restored through Jesus Christ directly. Now, you may feel good about what you are doing and for you it may be all you can accept at this point. But, it's not the church with any authority to baptize let a lone anything else. Open your mind to learn for Jesus said to do so. Ask, and the door will be open to you.
who says they are false, you?
Are you this obtuse all the time? Must hurt your head a lot. Let me be as clear as possible. Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ came to the Prophet Joseph Smith and stated not to join any church or religion because they are all false. None of them have any authority to do any ordinance work for the Godhead. So, upon Apostles and Prophets the Godhead would restore the Church of Jesus Christ to the earth. First, he sent the Prophet John the Baptist to restore the Priesthood after the order of Aaron by conferring this order of the Priesthood to Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery. Then, they sent the Apostles Peter, James and John to restore the Priesthood after the order of Melchizedek by conferring this order of the Priesthood to Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery. Therefore, all that preceded from these Apostles to Joseph Smith began with Apostles, Peter, James and John. From this, when the Church formed in 1830, line upon line, precept upon precept, Latter-day Apostles were called by Jesus Christ through the Prophet Joseph Smith and therefore, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints began and continues to have the foundation of Apostles and Prophets. Where are the Apostles today in the RCC or your Sect? Nowhere. Thus, you cannot claim that your Church has a foundation of Apostles and Prophets to continue Revelation as Peter received.
