Lois Lerner to take the 5th. Again.

[Oldstyle]

Yes this is the Communist wingnuts' time, but i'm confident the tide will turn. Their time is almost up. Most Americans have had enough. It's a 'Maker VS. Taker' battle now. The Takers are winning right now, but the Makers are making a comeback. It's time for change.

The problem is the many of the truly big corporate conglomerates are hopping more and more on the democratic bandwagon. Meaning, Obama (democrats) have effectively increased the upper class wealth, while destroying the middle class (small business owner.)

Take a look at Warren Buffet and companies like GE. First of all, the democrats know the media is not going to pursue anything against Obama nor any of the other democrats. They will praise Obama, and most journalists fear being blackballed going against the left wing machine. Regardless of how much they may be breaking the law or how unethical their behavior has been. look at how they paid off the UAW heads. They had no interest in protecting the workers in those unions.

The small business owner and the middle class is the single biggest threat to the democrats plans for socialist ideals. That is the group they need to crush, and they have done it effectively. That is not going to change. They use the environmental lies of man made global warming to set up as many regulations as they want. Tax tax tax.

Then combine that with the single payer trojan horse known as Obamacare. They know very well it cannot be sustained. They have lied about every aspect of it. They convinced and continue to convince the morons on the left that it is working. Regardless of the masss lies and broken promises. The left have no ability to see what is happening.

They will predictably blame the failure of Obamacare on the insurance industry. The left will buy it. The system will crash, and they will get the single payer where the government will totally control the middle and lower class.

All to the loud ignorant cheers of the gullible left wing know it all college hippies.

The ones protesting government and the 'establishment' back in the 60's and 70's are now in charge of the same government they loathed.

Gee, it must have all seemed so easy when Barry was hanging with the Choom Gang getting stoned every day in Hawaii! Perhaps if he'd taken a few economics classes while he was at Columbia he'd have a clue what he was doing with our economy. That obviously wasn't something that happened...

 

[The T]

The problem is the many of the truly big corporate conglomerates are hopping more and more on the democratic bandwagon. Meaning, Obama (democrats) have effectively increased the upper class wealth, while destroying the middle class (small business owner.)

Take a look at Warren Buffet and companies like GE. First of all, the democrats know the media is not going to pursue anything against Obama nor any of the other democrats. They will praise Obama, and most journalists fear being blackballed going against the left wing machine. Regardless of how much they may be breaking the law or how unethical their behavior has been. look at how they paid off the UAW heads. They had no interest in protecting the workers in those unions.

The small business owner and the middle class is the single biggest threat to the democrats plans for socialist ideals. That is the group they need to crush, and they have done it effectively. That is not going to change. They use the environmental lies of man made global warming to set up as many regulations as they want. Tax tax tax.

Then combine that with the single payer trojan horse known as Obamacare. They know very well it cannot be sustained. They have lied about every aspect of it. They convinced and continue to convince the morons on the left that it is working. Regardless of the masss lies and broken promises. The left have no ability to see what is happening.

They will predictably blame the failure of Obamacare on the insurance industry. The left will buy it. The system will crash, and they will get the single payer where the government will totally control the middle and lower class.

All to the loud ignorant cheers of the gullible left wing know it all college hippies.

The ones protesting government and the 'establishment' back in the 60's and 70's are now in charge of the same government they loathed.

Gee, it must have all seemed so easy when Barry was hanging with the Choom Gang getting stoned every day in Hawaii! Perhaps if he'd taken a few economics classes while he was at Columbia he'd have a clue what he was doing with our economy. That obviously wasn't something that happened...

But he's so bright, clean, articulate...smartest guy in the room...just ask any leftist on these boards...wonder why his school records among other records are still sealed...

 

[Oldstyle]

The ones protesting government and the 'establishment' back in the 60's and 70's are now in charge of the same government they loathed.

Gee, it must have all seemed so easy when Barry was hanging with the Choom Gang getting stoned every day in Hawaii! Perhaps if he'd taken a few economics classes while he was at Columbia he'd have a clue what he was doing with our economy. That obviously wasn't something that happened...

But he's so bright, clean, articulate...smartest guy in the room...just ask any leftist on these boards...wonder why his school records among other records are still sealed...

Ah, because his lack of classes like economics would show us a man who was ill trained for the very important job that he sought? His school records are sealed because he doesn't want anyone to see what he took for classes...which tells me that Barry loaded up on classes where he could baffle them with bullshit...and avoided the ones where you needed to learn real world skills like the plague. Why struggle to learn economic formulas when you can take a Poly Sci class from a far left academic only to happy to give you an A for regurgitating the nonsense you've heard in class?

 

[Theowl32]

Gee, it must have all seemed so easy when Barry was hanging with the Choom Gang getting stoned every day in Hawaii! Perhaps if he'd taken a few economics classes while he was at Columbia he'd have a clue what he was doing with our economy. That obviously wasn't something that happened...

But he's so bright, clean, articulate...smartest guy in the room...just ask any leftist on these boards...wonder why his school records among other records are still sealed...

Ah, because his lack of classes like economics would show us a man who was ill trained for the very important job that he sought? His school records are sealed because he doesn't want anyone to see what he took for classes...which tells me that Barry loaded up on classes where he could baffle them with bullshit...and avoided the ones where you needed to learn real world skills like the plague. Why struggle to learn economic formulas when you can take a Poly Sci class from a far left academic only to happy to give you an A for regurgitating the nonsense you've heard in class?

The scary thing is Obama is being very deliberate with his actions. His intentions and plans are right out of the Saul Alinsky text book.


Here are 13 rules for left wing radicals. Remember, that is exactly what he is.

1. “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have."
2. “Never go outside the expertise of your people.”
3. “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.”
4. “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.”
5. “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.”
6. “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.”
7. “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.”
8. “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.”
9. “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.”
10. "The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition."
11. “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.”
12. “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.”
13. “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.”

Rules for Radicals - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Now, please look at those and see what is happening. The global warming (man made) slash climate change where they claim the debate is over, and use it as an excuse to push countless pointless regulations to squeeze the middle class business owner. They of course use cliche after cliche like "big oil" to blame all of the problems with the climate on. And the morons fall for the cliches every time. Just saw Schultz on MSNBS harping on the keystone pipeline. You know where that is going and what they pretend to feign outrage on that issue, right?

See the Obamacare lie after lie, and how they use the insurance industry as the scapegoat.

 

[JoeB131]

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Even with Osama bin Laden you have to look at what happened and use your head, Boo. Intelligence gathered by interrogation methods that Barack Obama decided not to use anymore lead to the whereabouts of OBL and his eventual death. In other words...if not for George W. Bush's water boarding policy...Barack Obama probably never finds OBL.

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Torturing POW's in violation of all international treaties did not lead to Bin Laden. In fact, if anything, it gave false information, as Khalid Mohammed indicated after torture that the "Courier" was retired from Al Qaeda and was no one of any importance.

 

[Theowl32]

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Even with Osama bin Laden you have to look at what happened and use your head, Boo. Intelligence gathered by interrogation methods that Barack Obama decided not to use anymore lead to the whereabouts of OBL and his eventual death. In other words...if not for George W. Bush's water boarding policy...Barack Obama probably never finds OBL.

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Torturing POW's in violation of all international treaties did not lead to Bin Laden. In fact, if anything, it gave false information, as Khalid Mohammed indicated after torture that the "Courier" was retired from Al Qaeda and was no one of any importance.

Maybe you did not hear. Even Leon Panetta said it did. I know, I know, too bad so sad for you being on the wrong side, of yet another issue.

Gitmo is still open. Pissed? Thought not.

Leon Panetta Admits Information from Waterboarding Led US to Bin Laden (Video) | Human Events



Secretary of Defense Panetta Admits Information from Waterboarding...

Now, do your little dance and deny he said it led to him. Do your double talk Joe.

You should be used to be proven wrong by the likes of me by now.

 

[Theowl32]

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Even with Osama bin Laden you have to look at what happened and use your head, Boo. Intelligence gathered by interrogation methods that Barack Obama decided not to use anymore lead to the whereabouts of OBL and his eventual death. In other words...if not for George W. Bush's water boarding policy...Barack Obama probably never finds OBL.

.

Torturing POW's in violation of all international treaties did not lead to Bin Laden. In fact, if anything, it gave false information, as Khalid Mohammed indicated after torture that the "Courier" was retired from Al Qaeda and was no one of any importance.

Oh yeah. Water boarding is not torture. Since even our special forces are water boarded during their training. Did you know that? Funny, how you American hating bleeding hearts do not care that our soldiers (you more than likely envision a white man with a southern accent) are water boarded. I have never seen any of you display outrage about that fact. Oh, yeah.....you do not care.

You are just simply dense.

Oh yeah, please go tell your little lefty friends how much you care that the poor little terrorists are made all uncomfortable in order to save lives. Just do not tell me, cause I do not believe for one second that you care.

You know why Joe? Cause lefties (like you) stand for absolutely nothing.

Gitmo is still open. Pissed? Thought not.

 

[JoeB131]

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Torturing POW's in violation of all international treaties did not lead to Bin Laden. In fact, if anything, it gave false information, as Khalid Mohammed indicated after torture that the "Courier" was retired from Al Qaeda and was no one of any importance.

Maybe you did not hear. Even Leon Panetta said it did. I know, I know, too bad so sad for you being on the wrong side, of yet another issue.

Gitmo is still open. Pissed? Thought not.

Secretary of Defense Panetta Admits Information from Waterboarding...

Now, do your little dance and deny he said it led to him. Do your double talk Joe.

You should be used to be proven wrong by the likes of me by now.

Wait a minute, here's an article where Panetta says torture DIDN'T lead to Bin Laden.

Panetta: Enhanced interrogation did not lead to bin Laden - CBS News

"Yes, some of it came from some of the tactics that were used at that time, interrogation tactics that were used," he admitted. "But the fact is we put together most of that intelligence without having to resort to that."


NBC's Chuck Todd followed up: "And you think you could have gotten it without any?"


Panetta replied: "I think we could have gotten bin Laden without that."

Panetta's argument largely mirrors a similar point he made in May 2011, shortly after the raid that led to bin Laden's death, in a letter to Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz.


"Nearly 10 years of intensive intelligence work led the CIA to conclude that Bin Laden was likely hiding at the compound in Abbotabad, Pakistan," wrote Panetta, then head of the CIA. "There was no one 'essential and indispensible' key piece of information that led us to this conclusion."

And then there's this.

Sen. McCain: Torture Did Not Lead Us To Bin Laden, And It Undermines Our National Character | Political Correction

McCain says it didn't lead to Bin Laden, either.

McCain's speech expanded on his op-ed, published this morning about the facts of the bin Laden hunt and the counterproductive role torture played in that pursuit. After explaining that CIA Director Leon Panetta told him that the break in the case did not come from waterboarding and "in fact, the use of 'enhanced interrogation techniques' on Khalid Sheik Mohammed produced false and misleading information," McCain explained the dangers of torture in more abstract, but no less important, terms:


Though Osama bin Laden is dead, America remains at war, and to prevail in this war we need more than victories on the battlefield. This is a war of ideas as well, a struggle to advance freedom in the face of terror in places where oppressive rule has bred the malevolence that feeds an ideology of violent extremism. Prisoner abuses exact a terrible toll on us in this war of ideas. [...]

 

[JoeB131]

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Oh yeah. Water boarding is not torture. Since even our special forces are water boarded during their training. Did you know that? Funny, how you American hating bleeding hearts do not care that our soldiers (you more than likely envision a white man with a southern accent) are water boarded. I have never seen any of you display outrage about that fact. Oh, yeah.....you do not care.

You are just simply dense.

Oh yeah, please go tell your little lefty friends how much you care that the poor little terrorists are made all uncomfortable in order to save lives. Just do not tell me, cause I do not believe for one second that you care.

You know why Joe? Cause lefties (like you) stand for absolutely nothing.

Gitmo is still open. Pissed? Thought not.

Guy, I was in the Army for 11 years.

And do you know what they taught us from Boot Camp?

You don't mistreat POW's. If you do, you will go to the stockade. Because it's bad policy.

Torture doesn't work, for the reason that when you are torturing someone, they will tell you whatever they think you want to hear to make it stop.

Incidently, I think they do a lot of stupid things in training, mostly because they don't review it.

"Hey, it's great fun to make those new recruits take off their gas masks in a room full of CS Gas!"

"Um, what are we teaching them, exactly, Sarge?"

"That their gas masks work!"

"Errr... okay."

 

[Theowl32]

Joe did the liberal two step. He saw with his own eyes Panetta admit water boarding ( it is not torture and their little jedi mind trick will not work on me) led to Bin Laden.

He of course denied it did after he admitted it did.

LOL!!!

Liberals would be funny, if there weren't so many of them. You need to really work on it, in order be so easy for the lying sack of shit democratic party to lie to them with every cliche in the book.

Gitmo is still open. Pissed? Thought not.

 

[JoeB131]

Joe did the liberal two step. He saw with his own eyes Panetta admit water boarding ( it is not torture and their little jedi mind trick will not work on me) led to Bin Laden.

He of course denied it did after he admitted it did.

LOL!!!

Liberals would be funny, if there weren't so many of them. You need to really work on it, in order be so easy for the lying sack of shit democratic party to lie to them with every cliche in the book.

Gitmo is still open. Pissed? Thought not.

Except Panetta said it didn't lead to him. And McCain said it didn't, either.

Hey, here's a good question for you.

We captured Khalid in 2002. We pretty much started water-boarding his ass about five minutes after we caught him.

So why did it take 8 more years to get Bin Laden with the obviously valuable information he was giving up?

 

[Oldstyle]

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Oh yeah. Water boarding is not torture. Since even our special forces are water boarded during their training. Did you know that? Funny, how you American hating bleeding hearts do not care that our soldiers (you more than likely envision a white man with a southern accent) are water boarded. I have never seen any of you display outrage about that fact. Oh, yeah.....you do not care.

You are just simply dense.

Oh yeah, please go tell your little lefty friends how much you care that the poor little terrorists are made all uncomfortable in order to save lives. Just do not tell me, cause I do not believe for one second that you care.

You know why Joe? Cause lefties (like you) stand for absolutely nothing.

Gitmo is still open. Pissed? Thought not.

Guy, I was in the Army for 11 years.

And do you know what they taught us from Boot Camp?

You don't mistreat POW's. If you do, you will go to the stockade. Because it's bad policy.

Torture doesn't work, for the reason that when you are torturing someone, they will tell you whatever they think you want to hear to make it stop.

Incidently, I think they do a lot of stupid things in training, mostly because they don't review it.

"Hey, it's great fun to make those new recruits take off their gas masks in a room full of CS Gas!"

"Um, what are we teaching them, exactly, Sarge?"

"That their gas masks work!"

"Errr... okay."

I'm beginning to get some insight into your considerable failures of logic, Joe. You spent too much time without your mask on in Basic...didn't you?

 

[JoeB131]

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I'm beginning to get some insight into your considerable failures of logic, Joe. You spent too much time without your mask on in Basic...didn't you?

NOt sure, guy. You are the one who claims he doesn't support torture, but then claims that it helped get Bin Laden 8 years after the torture happened.

You seem to think that some Teabaggers not getting a fraudulant tax exemption is up there with watergate.

Seems like you are the one whose logic is failing.

 

[Theowl32]

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I'm beginning to get some insight into your considerable failures of logic, Joe. You spent too much time without your mask on in Basic...didn't you?

NOt sure, guy. You are the one who claims he doesn't support torture, but then claims that it helped get Bin Laden 8 years after the torture happened.

You seem to think that some Teabaggers not getting a fraudulant tax exemption is up there with watergate.

Seems like you are the one whose logic is failing.

Lol at these hypocrites. He brings up "watergate." Nixon spied on 5 democrats. These assholes still bring it up as though that was ever a big deal.

The liar in chief is caught spying on everyone and hypocrite hardly says a word.

He still insists water boarding is torture. Yet our own soldiers are water boarded.

You love how liberals say we should not do that in this day and age where a handful of terrorists can carry out murder on a mass scale. They still think it is a myth.

They are dense as hell and so simple.

Gitmo is still open. Pissed? Thought not.

 

[The Rabbi]

Joe is just truth-challenged.

 

[JoeB131]

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I'm beginning to get some insight into your considerable failures of logic, Joe. You spent too much time without your mask on in Basic...didn't you?

NOt sure, guy. You are the one who claims he doesn't support torture, but then claims that it helped get Bin Laden 8 years after the torture happened.

You seem to think that some Teabaggers not getting a fraudulant tax exemption is up there with watergate.

Seems like you are the one whose logic is failing.

Lol at these hypocrites. He brings up "watergate." Nixon spied on 5 democrats. These assholes still bring it up as though that was ever a big deal.

The liar in chief is caught spying on everyone and hypocrite hardly says a word.

He still insists water boarding is torture. Yet our own soldiers are water boarded.

You love how liberals say we should not do that in this day and age where a handful of terrorists can carry out murder on a mass scale. They still think it is a myth.

They dense as hell and so simple.

Gitmo is still open. Pissed? Thought not.

I never cared much about Gitmo to start with. Hey, 42,000 posts. If you can find 10 of them where I talk about Gitmo, I'd be impressed.

We shouldn't do Waterboarding because it's useless as information gathering tactic. John McCain was tortured repeatedly by his North Vietnamese captors. He gave them tons of useless information.

 

[Sallow]

The problem is the many of the truly big corporate conglomerates are hopping more and more on the democratic bandwagon. Meaning, Obama (democrats) have effectively increased the upper class wealth, while destroying the middle class (small business owner.)

Take a look at Warren Buffet and companies like GE. First of all, the democrats know the media is not going to pursue anything against Obama nor any of the other democrats. They will praise Obama, and most journalists fear being blackballed going against the left wing machine. Regardless of how much they may be breaking the law or how unethical their behavior has been. look at how they paid off the UAW heads. They had no interest in protecting the workers in those unions.

The small business owner and the middle class is the single biggest threat to the democrats plans for socialist ideals. That is the group they need to crush, and they have done it effectively. That is not going to change. They use the environmental lies of man made global warming to set up as many regulations as they want. Tax tax tax.

Then combine that with the single payer trojan horse known as Obamacare. They know very well it cannot be sustained. They have lied about every aspect of it. They convinced and continue to convince the morons on the left that it is working. Regardless of the masss lies and broken promises. The left have no ability to see what is happening.

They will predictably blame the failure of Obamacare on the insurance industry. The left will buy it. The system will crash, and they will get the single payer where the government will totally control the middle and lower class.

All to the loud ignorant cheers of the gullible left wing know it all college hippies.

The ones protesting government and the 'establishment' back in the 60's and 70's are now in charge of the same government they loathed.

Gee, it must have all seemed so easy when Barry was hanging with the Choom Gang getting stoned every day in Hawaii! Perhaps if he'd taken a few economics classes while he was at Columbia he'd have a clue what he was doing with our economy. That obviously wasn't something that happened...

What part aren't you liking?

Feel free to use numbers, facts and quotes from notable economists to buttress your points.

 

[bedowin62]

The ones protesting government and the 'establishment' back in the 60's and 70's are now in charge of the same government they loathed.

Gee, it must have all seemed so easy when Barry was hanging with the Choom Gang getting stoned every day in Hawaii! Perhaps if he'd taken a few economics classes while he was at Columbia he'd have a clue what he was doing with our economy. That obviously wasn't something that happened...

What part aren't you liking?

Feel free to use numbers, facts and quotes from notable economists to buttress your points.

record welfare and food stamps in obama's sixth year



libs are losers who lie to themselves

 

[Sallow]

The ones protesting government and the 'establishment' back in the 60's and 70's are now in charge of the same government they loathed.

Gee, it must have all seemed so easy when Barry was hanging with the Choom Gang getting stoned every day in Hawaii! Perhaps if he'd taken a few economics classes while he was at Columbia he'd have a clue what he was doing with our economy. That obviously wasn't something that happened...

But he's so bright, clean, articulate...smartest guy in the room...just ask any leftist on these boards...wonder why his school records among other records are still sealed...

Probably the same reason Mitt Romney didn't release more than 3 years of tax returns.

Which, by law, he's not compelled to release.

Obama graduated with Honors from Harvard. He also passed the bar.

I have no idea why his "school records" are any more germane than that.

I also don't know why you folks were not so hot on seeing George W. Bush's criminal record or military records.

There were some pretty big questions about those.

 

[bedowin62]

Gee, it must have all seemed so easy when Barry was hanging with the Choom Gang getting stoned every day in Hawaii! Perhaps if he'd taken a few economics classes while he was at Columbia he'd have a clue what he was doing with our economy. That obviously wasn't something that happened...

But he's so bright, clean, articulate...smartest guy in the room...just ask any leftist on these boards...wonder why his school records among other records are still sealed...

Probably the same reason Mitt Romney didn't release more than 3 years of tax returns.

Which, by law, he's not compelled to release.

Obama graduated with Honors from Harvard. He also passed the bar.

I have no idea why his "school records" are any more germane than that.

I also don't know why you folks were not so hot on seeing George W. Bush's criminal record or military records.

There were some pretty big questions about those.

so you're saying romeny didnt have anything more to hide than obama does by not revealing his records from Columbia?


idiots and hypocrites