Loggers support Trump's claim that wildfires caused by 'poor forest management'

[Markle]

One more reason to create "manufacturing" jobs and put utilities underground.

A State Corps of Engineers can pioneer the way!

Impractical and unaffordable. Which, of course, would never slow California down.

 

[danielpalos]

One more reason to create "manufacturing" jobs and put utilities underground.

A State Corps of Engineers can pioneer the way!

Impractical and unaffordable. Which, of course, would never slow California down.

our alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror are even more impractical and unaffordable.

the Proof is, the Right Wing refuses to pay real times of war tax rates for them, but prefer to Finance them and put it on the Peoples' Debt.

 

[Rustic]

Loggers support Trump's claim that wildfires caused by 'poor forest management'

LOGGERS: If you would just let us cut down all the forests, presto! No more forest fires!

Na, Loggers are actually out in the woods doing productive things… The same cannot be said for environmentals

 

[Rustic]

Support for President Trumps claim that forest management is to blame for the fires in California. When The Dims respond, we can shame them for attacking those hardworking loggers.

Loggers support Donald Trump’s claim that wildfires caused by ‘poor forest management’​

A national logging organization is offering support to President Trump following catastrophic wildfires in California and a political debate over the causes of the destructive blazes.

“President Trump blamed poor forest management for wildfires in California and throughout the West, and there is truth to statements he has made,” said Daniel Dructor, executive vice president of the American Loggers Council, a coalition of state and regional associations that represents independent contract loggers.

“It’s time to rise above political posturing and recognize that active forest management — including logging, thinning, grazing and controlled burning — are tools that can and must be used to reduce fire risks and help mitigate the impacts to landscapes,” Mr. Dructor said in a statement. ​

According to the council, some 60 million to 80 million acres of national forest are at “high, to very high, risk of catastrophic wildfire.”​

I live in the mountains--there are 2 types of fires. Ground fires that spread and ones that are spread by wind.

Ground fires can be stopped around populated areas by good fire mitigation, raking pine needles--cutting lower branches on trees up to a height of 6 to 8 feet from the ground--but you're not going to stop a wind blown fires that jump from trees to houses. PERIOD. That's what has gone on in California. Dry windy conditions are always a recipe for disaster.

California is suffering from climate change--and we see abnormal weather patterns everywhere. Denying it is just plain downright stupid.

What's abnormal climate?


..

I don't know where you live, but Colorado doesn't get the snow levels that we experienced 20 years ago. We know if we get into June with no snow or rain, we go into the fire season, which we never used to worry about.

Yes there is such a thing as climate change.

Lol
This has everything to do with climate chance...

Man has nothing to do with it...

 

[Rustic]

Support for President Trumps claim that forest management is to blame for the fires in California. When The Dims respond, we can shame them for attacking those hardworking loggers.

Loggers support Donald Trump’s claim that wildfires caused by ‘poor forest management’​

A national logging organization is offering support to President Trump following catastrophic wildfires in California and a political debate over the causes of the destructive blazes.

“President Trump blamed poor forest management for wildfires in California and throughout the West, and there is truth to statements he has made,” said Daniel Dructor, executive vice president of the American Loggers Council, a coalition of state and regional associations that represents independent contract loggers.

“It’s time to rise above political posturing and recognize that active forest management — including logging, thinning, grazing and controlled burning — are tools that can and must be used to reduce fire risks and help mitigate the impacts to landscapes,” Mr. Dructor said in a statement. ​

According to the council, some 60 million to 80 million acres of national forest are at “high, to very high, risk of catastrophic wildfire.”​

So loggers come out and support Trump. And his ideas would result in more logging taking place than currently does.

And you honestly think their viewpoints on this subject are 'unbiased'?

I have a word to teach you:

'naive
adjective

Definition of naive

1: marked by unaffected simplicity : ARTLESS, INGENUOUSthe experienced man speaks simply and wisely to the naive girl— Gilbert Highet

2a: deficient in worldly wisdom or informed judgment'

Definition of NAIVE


You are welcome. Class dismissed.

Have a nice day.

Only fools trust environmentalists

 

[Rustic]

Anyone want to take my bet that the Trump Administration and the big players in the logging industry will now strike a deal to have the logging industry take over “forest management” on federal lands and eliminating the need for the forest service, in exchange for the elimination of stumpage fees.

Trump will try to sell this as a HUGE tax savings for the American people by either lying about or completely ignoring how much revenue the Federal government receives in stumpage fees, and the costs in environmental damage, including landslides, floods and other problems associated with logging industry tactics. After all, clear cutting completely eliminates the potential for forest fires.

already harvested areas are good places to consider for watershed management purposes. A State Corps of Engineers could get things handled.

I agree. Leaving large logging companies in charge of forest management is leaving the foxes in charge of the henhouse. But there are vast swaths of the North American temperate rainforest which are federally controlled and managed by the National Forest Service.

Trump will argue that he’s saving $billions cutting the National Forest Services who are the “losers” who mismanaged the forests and let the fires happen, and getting good forest management from the loggers for free. He will further argue that the country will save all of the lives lost in the California fires by doing this and the loss of $billions more in lost property.

And it will all be a lie.

If Trump is sincere in his claims, he will support more funding to the forestry service for forest management. He will support Califormia in raising taxes to protect state forests. He will support strict environmental laws

Think of the millions he spent deploying troops to divert a caravan
Those fires are a bigger threat to our country than some immigrant families

Illegal aliens don’t belong... end of story

 

[Rustic]

Thanks Jerry Brown! Thanks California Democrats! Thanks Environmental Lobby that OWNS THEM!

Wildfires have been burning throughout the temperate North American rainforest all summer long, not just in California but across northern Canada as well.

This has been the worst year in history for forest fires and one of the worst for hurricanes but it’s important that Trump continue to deny climate change so his billionaire buddies don’t have to start using green energy.

Lol
You guys can use green energy if you want… Most Americans can’t afford green energy… Live with it

 

[Rustic]

When was the last time California burned like this?

Couple thousand years ago?

Environmentalists started the fires... indirectly

 

[Pilot1]

The vast majority of Americans use COAL, OIL, and NATURAL GAS. Why? Because it works.

 

[danielpalos]

A State Corp of Engineers could prescribe burns where it is most practicable to build more watershed inputs.

 

[Dragonlady]

Thanks Jerry Brown! Thanks California Democrats! Thanks Environmental Lobby that OWNS THEM!

Wildfires have been burning throughout the temperate North American rainforest all summer long, not just in California but across northern Canada as well.

This has been the worst year in history for forest fires and one of the worst for hurricanes but it’s important that Trump continue to deny climate change so his billionaire buddies don’t have to start using green energy.

Lol
You guys can use green energy if you want… Most Americans can’t afford green energy… Live with it

If you add in the tax burdens created by the wildfires, and the loss of potential revenues, and the loss of life associated with upper respiratory illnesses assosciated with the burning of fossil fuels, Americans can't afford to continue to deny the effects of climate change.

I used to have to rush to emergency at least once a week in the summer months due to asthma attacks. I haven't done that once since Ontario eliminated coal fired electrical plants. Extrapolated across the millions of asthmatics across North America, what's the dollar cost in that savings. I know personally, it's eliminated the $200 inhaler I used to carry with me everywhere, not to mention the health effects of huffing on steriods every day.

And here's a clue for a Trumpbot: The cheapest price isn't always the best deal or the wisest decision. If the cheapest form of electricity causes the people to get sick, the water to be polluted and the air to be turned into potential acid rain, damaging buildings and infrastructure, then the costs of cleaning up the mess it creates are much greater than the savings on the electricity.

Not to mention we are generating billions of dollars in new jobs and investment in solar energy and windmills, while coal miners are still losing their jobs across America. Why not retrain them in new technologies rather than sending them back into the mines to die of black lung disease?

Talk about picking up the peanuts while being trampled by the elephants!

 

[bripat9643]

Thanks Jerry Brown! Thanks California Democrats! Thanks Environmental Lobby that OWNS THEM!

Wildfires have been burning throughout the temperate North American rainforest all summer long, not just in California but across northern Canada as well.

This has been the worst year in history for forest fires and one of the worst for hurricanes but it’s important that Trump continue to deny climate change so his billionaire buddies don’t have to start using green energy.

Lol
You guys can use green energy if you want… Most Americans can’t afford green energy… Live with it

If you add in the tax burdens created by the wildfires, and the loss of potential revenues, and the loss of life associated with upper respiratory illnesses assosciated with the burning of fossil fuels, Americans can't afford to continue to deny the effects of climate change.

I used to have to rush to emergency at least once a week in the summer months due to asthma attacks. I haven't done that once since Ontario eliminated coal fired electrical plants. Extrapolated across the millions of asthmatics across North America, what's the dollar cost in that savings. I know personally, it's eliminated the $200 inhaler I used to carry with me everywhere, not to mention the health effects of huffing on steriods every day.

And here's a clue for a Trumpbot: The cheapest price isn't always the best deal or the wisest decision. If the cheapest form of electricity causes the people to get sick, the water to be polluted and the air to be turned into potential acid rain, damaging buildings and infrastructure, then the costs of cleaning up the mess it creates are much greater than the savings on the electricity.

Not to mention we are generating billions of dollars in new jobs and investment in solar energy and windmills, while coal miners are still losing their jobs across America. Why not retrain them in new technologies rather than sending them back into the mines to die of black lung disease?

Talk about picking up the peanuts while being trampled by the elephants!

The fires have nothing to do with climate change, dingbat. AGW is a hoax.

 

[Dragonlady]

Thanks Jerry Brown! Thanks California Democrats! Thanks Environmental Lobby that OWNS THEM!

Wildfires have been burning throughout the temperate North American rainforest all summer long, not just in California but across northern Canada as well.

This has been the worst year in history for forest fires and one of the worst for hurricanes but it’s important that Trump continue to deny climate change so his billionaire buddies don’t have to start using green energy.

Lol
You guys can use green energy if you want… Most Americans can’t afford green energy… Live with it

If you add in the tax burdens created by the wildfires, and the loss of potential revenues, and the loss of life associated with upper respiratory illnesses assosciated with the burning of fossil fuels, Americans can't afford to continue to deny the effects of climate change.

I used to have to rush to emergency at least once a week in the summer months due to asthma attacks. I haven't done that once since Ontario eliminated coal fired electrical plants. Extrapolated across the millions of asthmatics across North America, what's the dollar cost in that savings. I know personally, it's eliminated the $200 inhaler I used to carry with me everywhere, not to mention the health effects of huffing on steriods every day.

And here's a clue for a Trumpbot: The cheapest price isn't always the best deal or the wisest decision. If the cheapest form of electricity causes the people to get sick, the water to be polluted and the air to be turned into potential acid rain, damaging buildings and infrastructure, then the costs of cleaning up the mess it creates are much greater than the savings on the electricity.

Not to mention we are generating billions of dollars in new jobs and investment in solar energy and windmills, while coal miners are still losing their jobs across America. Why not retrain them in new technologies rather than sending them back into the mines to die of black lung disease?

Talk about picking up the peanuts while being trampled by the elephants!

The fires have nothing to do with climate change, dingbat. AGW is a hoax.

The fires have EVERYTHING to do with climate change. They're burning all over the world. Trying to sell the idea that you need to rake leaves to prevent forest fires is the HOAX, but I don't expect you to have a clue, ever. You're just not that bright. You want to remain an ignorant fool all of your life.

 

[Doc1]

Thanks Jerry Brown! Thanks California Democrats! Thanks Environmental Lobby that OWNS THEM!

Wildfires have been burning throughout the temperate North American rainforest all summer long, not just in California but across northern Canada as well.

This has been the worst year in history for forest fires and one of the worst for hurricanes but it’s important that Trump continue to deny climate change so his billionaire buddies don’t have to start using green energy.

Lol
You guys can use green energy if you want… Most Americans can’t afford green energy… Live with it

If you add in the tax burdens created by the wildfires, and the loss of potential revenues, and the loss of life associated with upper respiratory illnesses assosciated with the burning of fossil fuels, Americans can't afford to continue to deny the effects of climate change.

I used to have to rush to emergency at least once a week in the summer months due to asthma attacks. I haven't done that once since Ontario eliminated coal fired electrical plants. Extrapolated across the millions of asthmatics across North America, what's the dollar cost in that savings. I know personally, it's eliminated the $200 inhaler I used to carry with me everywhere, not to mention the health effects of huffing on steriods every day.

And here's a clue for a Trumpbot: The cheapest price isn't always the best deal or the wisest decision. If the cheapest form of electricity causes the people to get sick, the water to be polluted and the air to be turned into potential acid rain, damaging buildings and infrastructure, then the costs of cleaning up the mess it creates are much greater than the savings on the electricity.

Not to mention we are generating billions of dollars in new jobs and investment in solar energy and windmills, while coal miners are still losing their jobs across America. Why not retrain them in new technologies rather than sending them back into the mines to die of black lung disease?

Talk about picking up the peanuts while being trampled by the elephants!

The fires have nothing to do with climate change, dingbat. AGW is a hoax.

The fires have EVERYTHING to do with climate change. They're burning all over the world. Trying to sell the idea that you need to rake leaves to prevent forest fires is the HOAX, but I don't expect you to have a clue, ever. You're just not that bright. You want to remain an ignorant fool all of your life.

On that point you have no equal, you are the quintessential idiot. Good forest management indeed includes cleaning up ground cover and thinning out the forest, especially of dead timber. NOTHING prevents forest fires but everything I put out there helps to limit them.

 

[Dragonlady]

Wildfires have been burning throughout the temperate North American rainforest all summer long, not just in California but across northern Canada as well.

This has been the worst year in history for forest fires and one of the worst for hurricanes but it’s important that Trump continue to deny climate change so his billionaire buddies don’t have to start using green energy.

Lol
You guys can use green energy if you want… Most Americans can’t afford green energy… Live with it

If you add in the tax burdens created by the wildfires, and the loss of potential revenues, and the loss of life associated with upper respiratory illnesses assosciated with the burning of fossil fuels, Americans can't afford to continue to deny the effects of climate change.

I used to have to rush to emergency at least once a week in the summer months due to asthma attacks. I haven't done that once since Ontario eliminated coal fired electrical plants. Extrapolated across the millions of asthmatics across North America, what's the dollar cost in that savings. I know personally, it's eliminated the $200 inhaler I used to carry with me everywhere, not to mention the health effects of huffing on steriods every day.

And here's a clue for a Trumpbot: The cheapest price isn't always the best deal or the wisest decision. If the cheapest form of electricity causes the people to get sick, the water to be polluted and the air to be turned into potential acid rain, damaging buildings and infrastructure, then the costs of cleaning up the mess it creates are much greater than the savings on the electricity.

Not to mention we are generating billions of dollars in new jobs and investment in solar energy and windmills, while coal miners are still losing their jobs across America. Why not retrain them in new technologies rather than sending them back into the mines to die of black lung disease?

Talk about picking up the peanuts while being trampled by the elephants!

The fires have nothing to do with climate change, dingbat. AGW is a hoax.

The fires have EVERYTHING to do with climate change. They're burning all over the world. Trying to sell the idea that you need to rake leaves to prevent forest fires is the HOAX, but I don't expect you to have a clue, ever. You're just not that bright. You want to remain an ignorant fool all of your life.

On that point you have no equal, you are the quintessential idiot. Good forest management indeed includes cleaning up ground cover and thinning out the forest, especially of dead timber. NOTHING prevents forest fires but everything I put out there helps to limit them.

Well there you are parrotting Dumb Donald's dumbest suggestions. What a tool of the idiot-cracy you are!!! Good forest management does NONE of those things, you stupid fool. The best forest management is to leave well enough alone. You leave the leaves on the forest floor you dolt! They nourish the new growth and provide a layer of moisture and protection for the roots as they compost.

The forests have been taking very good care of themselves since dinosaurs ruled the world, without any "forest management" whatsoever. The forests and jungles of the world are self-sustaining biospheres. It is only ignorant assholes like you and Trump who think that there is some trick to "managing" these resources.

Here's a link to a report from Trump's own government which outlines the costs of ignoring climate change.

Major Trump administration climate report says damages are ‘intensifying across the country’

 

[Doc1]

Lol
You guys can use green energy if you want… Most Americans can’t afford green energy… Live with it

If you add in the tax burdens created by the wildfires, and the loss of potential revenues, and the loss of life associated with upper respiratory illnesses assosciated with the burning of fossil fuels, Americans can't afford to continue to deny the effects of climate change.

I used to have to rush to emergency at least once a week in the summer months due to asthma attacks. I haven't done that once since Ontario eliminated coal fired electrical plants. Extrapolated across the millions of asthmatics across North America, what's the dollar cost in that savings. I know personally, it's eliminated the $200 inhaler I used to carry with me everywhere, not to mention the health effects of huffing on steriods every day.

And here's a clue for a Trumpbot: The cheapest price isn't always the best deal or the wisest decision. If the cheapest form of electricity causes the people to get sick, the water to be polluted and the air to be turned into potential acid rain, damaging buildings and infrastructure, then the costs of cleaning up the mess it creates are much greater than the savings on the electricity.

Not to mention we are generating billions of dollars in new jobs and investment in solar energy and windmills, while coal miners are still losing their jobs across America. Why not retrain them in new technologies rather than sending them back into the mines to die of black lung disease?

Talk about picking up the peanuts while being trampled by the elephants!

The fires have nothing to do with climate change, dingbat. AGW is a hoax.

The fires have EVERYTHING to do with climate change. They're burning all over the world. Trying to sell the idea that you need to rake leaves to prevent forest fires is the HOAX, but I don't expect you to have a clue, ever. You're just not that bright. You want to remain an ignorant fool all of your life.

On that point you have no equal, you are the quintessential idiot. Good forest management indeed includes cleaning up ground cover and thinning out the forest, especially of dead timber. NOTHING prevents forest fires but everything I put out there helps to limit them.

Well there you are parrotting Dumb Donald's dumbest suggestions. What a tool of the idiot-cracy you are!!! Good forest management does NONE of those things, you stupid fool. The best forest management is to leave well enough alone. You leave the leaves on the forest floor you dolt! They nourish the new growth and provide a layer of moisture and protection for the roots as they compost.

The forests have been taking very good care of themselves since dinosaurs ruled the world, without any "forest management" whatsoever. The forests and jungles of the world are self-sustaining biospheres. It is only ignorant assholes like you and Trump who think that there is some trick to "managing" these resources.

Here's a link to a report from Trump's own government which outlines the costs of ignoring climate change.

Major Trump administration climate report says damages are ‘intensifying across the country’

You really are stupid twit honey.

"
Thinning Harvest
When trees are crowded together, they are in greater competition for sunlight, nutrients and water. As a result, they tend to be less healthy and to grow less vigorously. To improve the health and productivity of the forest, forest managers may remove a portion of the trees in the early stages (10-15 years) of a growing stand of trees so there is less competition for sunlight, water and nutrients. The forest is ‘thinned’ by taking out a certain percentage of the trees. The remaining trees will grow faster, stronger and larger. The thinning also improves the growth of the forest’s understory such as wildflowers and native weeds by increasing the amount of sunlight that reaches the forest floor. This growth provides more food and cover for animals such as quail and rabbits.

This type of harvest is typically referred to as a “pre-commercial” harvest since the costs associated with the forest management (road maintenance, harvesting, etc.) often equal or outweigh the money earned on the harvested trees for the landowners. These type of harvests result in pulpwood size trees, which are smaller in diameter than trees that would be made into lumber.

Clearcut Harvest
Clearcutting removes all the trees in a given area, much like a wildfire, hurricane or other natural disturbance would do. It is used most frequently in pine forests, which require full sunlight to grow, and in hardwood forests with yellow poplar, sweetgum, cherry, maple and other species that require full sunlight.

Clearcuts are an efficient way to convert unhealthy stands to healthy, productive forests because they allow forest managers to control the tree species that grow on the site through natural or artificial regeneration.

While a clearcut removes all canopy cover and is unattractive for a short period of time, it is an effective method for creating habitat for a variety of wildlife species. Animals that eat insects, such as turkeys and quails, and those that eat annual and perennial plants, such as bears and deer, thrive in recently clearcut areas. Many creatures also find shelter from weather and predators in the low growing grasses, bushes and briar thickets that follow this type of harvest. In addition, clearcutting is an important forest management tool because it can be used to create edges – areas where two habitat types or two ages of the same habitat meet. Because edges provide easy access to more than one habitat, they usually have more diverse wildlife communities than large blocks of a single habitat.

A clearcut harvest will produce a mixture of pulpwood and sawtimber products for the forest products industry based on the size of the trees and whether the trees are softwood (pine) or hardwood (maple, oaks, etc.). Loggers sort the trees onto different trucks for their different locations. The smaller diameter trees, typically called pulpwood, will head to a paper mill or energy facility. The larger diameter trees, typically referred to as sawtimber, will be sent to a sawmill. Again, different tree species (whether softwood or hardwood) are sent to specific markets.

Shelterwood Harvest
In a shelterwood cut, mature trees are removed in two or three harvests over a period of 10 to 15 years. This method allows regeneration of medium to low shade-tolerant species because a “shelter” is left to protect them. Many hardwoods, such as oak, hickory and cherry, can produce and maintain seedlings or sprouts in light shade under a partially cut stand. However, the young trees will not grow and develop fully until the remaining overstory trees are removed.

One benefit to shelterwood harvests is that they provide cover and early successional food sources for wildlife. However, this method of harvest is not recommended for trees with shallow root systems because the remaining trees are more susceptible to wind damage after neighboring trees are removed. Another disadvantage to shelterwood cuts is that they require more roads to be built through the forest, and increase the risk of soil disturbance and damage to the remaining trees during harvesting.

Seed Tree Harvest
In a seed tree harvest, five or more scattered trees per acre are left in the harvested area to provide seeds for a new forest stand. These trees are selected based on their growth rate, form, seeding ability, wind resistance and future marketability.

Wildlife benefit from seed tree harvests in much the same way as they do from a clearcut harvest, except that they also reap the benefits of the seed trees themselves. If left on site indefinitely, seed trees eventually may become snags or downed logs, which are important habitat components for woodpeckers and many other species. Seed trees are also excellent food sources and nesting sites for hawks and other birds.

One disadvantage to seed tree harvests is that the remaining trees are at increased risk of damage from wind, lightening, insect attack and logging of nearby trees. This type harvest may also require the landowner to make future investments in thinning and competition control because of uncontrolled reseeding."


https://www.ncforestry.org/teachers/forest-management-basics/

Dumb bitch.

 

[Lesh]

If you add in the tax burdens created by the wildfires, and the loss of potential revenues, and the loss of life associated with upper respiratory illnesses assosciated with the burning of fossil fuels, Americans can't afford to continue to deny the effects of climate change.

I used to have to rush to emergency at least once a week in the summer months due to asthma attacks. I haven't done that once since Ontario eliminated coal fired electrical plants. Extrapolated across the millions of asthmatics across North America, what's the dollar cost in that savings. I know personally, it's eliminated the $200 inhaler I used to carry with me everywhere, not to mention the health effects of huffing on steriods every day.

And here's a clue for a Trumpbot: The cheapest price isn't always the best deal or the wisest decision. If the cheapest form of electricity causes the people to get sick, the water to be polluted and the air to be turned into potential acid rain, damaging buildings and infrastructure, then the costs of cleaning up the mess it creates are much greater than the savings on the electricity.

Not to mention we are generating billions of dollars in new jobs and investment in solar energy and windmills, while coal miners are still losing their jobs across America. Why not retrain them in new technologies rather than sending them back into the mines to die of black lung disease?

Talk about picking up the peanuts while being trampled by the elephants!

The fires have nothing to do with climate change, dingbat. AGW is a hoax.

The fires have EVERYTHING to do with climate change. They're burning all over the world. Trying to sell the idea that you need to rake leaves to prevent forest fires is the HOAX, but I don't expect you to have a clue, ever. You're just not that bright. You want to remain an ignorant fool all of your life.

On that point you have no equal, you are the quintessential idiot. Good forest management indeed includes cleaning up ground cover and thinning out the forest, especially of dead timber. NOTHING prevents forest fires but everything I put out there helps to limit them.

Well there you are parrotting Dumb Donald's dumbest suggestions. What a tool of the idiot-cracy you are!!! Good forest management does NONE of those things, you stupid fool. The best forest management is to leave well enough alone. You leave the leaves on the forest floor you dolt! They nourish the new growth and provide a layer of moisture and protection for the roots as they compost.

The forests have been taking very good care of themselves since dinosaurs ruled the world, without any "forest management" whatsoever. The forests and jungles of the world are self-sustaining biospheres. It is only ignorant assholes like you and Trump who think that there is some trick to "managing" these resources.

Here's a link to a report from Trump's own government which outlines the costs of ignoring climate change.

Major Trump administration climate report says damages are ‘intensifying across the country’

You really are stupid twit honey.

"
Thinning Harvest
When trees are crowded together, they are in greater competition for sunlight, nutrients and water. As a result, they tend to be less healthy and to grow less vigorously. To improve the health and productivity of the forest, forest managers may remove a portion of the trees in the early stages (10-15 years) of a growing stand of trees so there is less competition for sunlight, water and nutrients. The forest is ‘thinned’ by taking out a certain percentage of the trees. The remaining trees will grow faster, stronger and larger. The thinning also improves the growth of the forest’s understory such as wildflowers and native weeds by increasing the amount of sunlight that reaches the forest floor. This growth provides more food and cover for animals such as quail and rabbits.

This type of harvest is typically referred to as a “pre-commercial” harvest since the costs associated with the forest management (road maintenance, harvesting, etc.) often equal or outweigh the money earned on the harvested trees for the landowners. These type of harvests result in pulpwood size trees, which are smaller in diameter than trees that would be made into lumber.

Clearcut Harvest
Clearcutting removes all the trees in a given area, much like a wildfire, hurricane or other natural disturbance would do. It is used most frequently in pine forests, which require full sunlight to grow, and in hardwood forests with yellow poplar, sweetgum, cherry, maple and other species that require full sunlight.

Clearcuts are an efficient way to convert unhealthy stands to healthy, productive forests because they allow forest managers to control the tree species that grow on the site through natural or artificial regeneration.

While a clearcut removes all canopy cover and is unattractive for a short period of time, it is an effective method for creating habitat for a variety of wildlife species. Animals that eat insects, such as turkeys and quails, and those that eat annual and perennial plants, such as bears and deer, thrive in recently clearcut areas. Many creatures also find shelter from weather and predators in the low growing grasses, bushes and briar thickets that follow this type of harvest. In addition, clearcutting is an important forest management tool because it can be used to create edges – areas where two habitat types or two ages of the same habitat meet. Because edges provide easy access to more than one habitat, they usually have more diverse wildlife communities than large blocks of a single habitat.

A clearcut harvest will produce a mixture of pulpwood and sawtimber products for the forest products industry based on the size of the trees and whether the trees are softwood (pine) or hardwood (maple, oaks, etc.). Loggers sort the trees onto different trucks for their different locations. The smaller diameter trees, typically called pulpwood, will head to a paper mill or energy facility. The larger diameter trees, typically referred to as sawtimber, will be sent to a sawmill. Again, different tree species (whether softwood or hardwood) are sent to specific markets.

Shelterwood Harvest
In a shelterwood cut, mature trees are removed in two or three harvests over a period of 10 to 15 years. This method allows regeneration of medium to low shade-tolerant species because a “shelter” is left to protect them. Many hardwoods, such as oak, hickory and cherry, can produce and maintain seedlings or sprouts in light shade under a partially cut stand. However, the young trees will not grow and develop fully until the remaining overstory trees are removed.

One benefit to shelterwood harvests is that they provide cover and early successional food sources for wildlife. However, this method of harvest is not recommended for trees with shallow root systems because the remaining trees are more susceptible to wind damage after neighboring trees are removed. Another disadvantage to shelterwood cuts is that they require more roads to be built through the forest, and increase the risk of soil disturbance and damage to the remaining trees during harvesting.

Seed Tree Harvest
In a seed tree harvest, five or more scattered trees per acre are left in the harvested area to provide seeds for a new forest stand. These trees are selected based on their growth rate, form, seeding ability, wind resistance and future marketability.

Wildlife benefit from seed tree harvests in much the same way as they do from a clearcut harvest, except that they also reap the benefits of the seed trees themselves. If left on site indefinitely, seed trees eventually may become snags or downed logs, which are important habitat components for woodpeckers and many other species. Seed trees are also excellent food sources and nesting sites for hawks and other birds.

One disadvantage to seed tree harvests is that the remaining trees are at increased risk of damage from wind, lightening, insect attack and logging of nearby trees. This type harvest may also require the landowner to make future investments in thinning and competition control because of uncontrolled reseeding."


https://www.ncforestry.org/teachers/forest-management-basics/

Dumb bitch.

No "floor sweeping" in that at all

Dumb Bitch

 

[Markle]

A State Corp of Engineers could prescribe burns where it is most practicable to build more watershed inputs.

Not what your environmentalists say. You caused this mess, up to you to fix it.

 

[Doc1]

The fires have nothing to do with climate change, dingbat. AGW is a hoax.

The fires have EVERYTHING to do with climate change. They're burning all over the world. Trying to sell the idea that you need to rake leaves to prevent forest fires is the HOAX, but I don't expect you to have a clue, ever. You're just not that bright. You want to remain an ignorant fool all of your life.

On that point you have no equal, you are the quintessential idiot. Good forest management indeed includes cleaning up ground cover and thinning out the forest, especially of dead timber. NOTHING prevents forest fires but everything I put out there helps to limit them.

Well there you are parrotting Dumb Donald's dumbest suggestions. What a tool of the idiot-cracy you are!!! Good forest management does NONE of those things, you stupid fool. The best forest management is to leave well enough alone. You leave the leaves on the forest floor you dolt! They nourish the new growth and provide a layer of moisture and protection for the roots as they compost.

The forests have been taking very good care of themselves since dinosaurs ruled the world, without any "forest management" whatsoever. The forests and jungles of the world are self-sustaining biospheres. It is only ignorant assholes like you and Trump who think that there is some trick to "managing" these resources.

Here's a link to a report from Trump's own government which outlines the costs of ignoring climate change.

Major Trump administration climate report says damages are ‘intensifying across the country’

You really are stupid twit honey.

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Thinning Harvest
When trees are crowded together, they are in greater competition for sunlight, nutrients and water. As a result, they tend to be less healthy and to grow less vigorously. To improve the health and productivity of the forest, forest managers may remove a portion of the trees in the early stages (10-15 years) of a growing stand of trees so there is less competition for sunlight, water and nutrients. The forest is ‘thinned’ by taking out a certain percentage of the trees. The remaining trees will grow faster, stronger and larger. The thinning also improves the growth of the forest’s understory such as wildflowers and native weeds by increasing the amount of sunlight that reaches the forest floor. This growth provides more food and cover for animals such as quail and rabbits.

This type of harvest is typically referred to as a “pre-commercial” harvest since the costs associated with the forest management (road maintenance, harvesting, etc.) often equal or outweigh the money earned on the harvested trees for the landowners. These type of harvests result in pulpwood size trees, which are smaller in diameter than trees that would be made into lumber.

Clearcut Harvest
Clearcutting removes all the trees in a given area, much like a wildfire, hurricane or other natural disturbance would do. It is used most frequently in pine forests, which require full sunlight to grow, and in hardwood forests with yellow poplar, sweetgum, cherry, maple and other species that require full sunlight.

Clearcuts are an efficient way to convert unhealthy stands to healthy, productive forests because they allow forest managers to control the tree species that grow on the site through natural or artificial regeneration.

While a clearcut removes all canopy cover and is unattractive for a short period of time, it is an effective method for creating habitat for a variety of wildlife species. Animals that eat insects, such as turkeys and quails, and those that eat annual and perennial plants, such as bears and deer, thrive in recently clearcut areas. Many creatures also find shelter from weather and predators in the low growing grasses, bushes and briar thickets that follow this type of harvest. In addition, clearcutting is an important forest management tool because it can be used to create edges – areas where two habitat types or two ages of the same habitat meet. Because edges provide easy access to more than one habitat, they usually have more diverse wildlife communities than large blocks of a single habitat.

A clearcut harvest will produce a mixture of pulpwood and sawtimber products for the forest products industry based on the size of the trees and whether the trees are softwood (pine) or hardwood (maple, oaks, etc.). Loggers sort the trees onto different trucks for their different locations. The smaller diameter trees, typically called pulpwood, will head to a paper mill or energy facility. The larger diameter trees, typically referred to as sawtimber, will be sent to a sawmill. Again, different tree species (whether softwood or hardwood) are sent to specific markets.

Shelterwood Harvest
In a shelterwood cut, mature trees are removed in two or three harvests over a period of 10 to 15 years. This method allows regeneration of medium to low shade-tolerant species because a “shelter” is left to protect them. Many hardwoods, such as oak, hickory and cherry, can produce and maintain seedlings or sprouts in light shade under a partially cut stand. However, the young trees will not grow and develop fully until the remaining overstory trees are removed.

One benefit to shelterwood harvests is that they provide cover and early successional food sources for wildlife. However, this method of harvest is not recommended for trees with shallow root systems because the remaining trees are more susceptible to wind damage after neighboring trees are removed. Another disadvantage to shelterwood cuts is that they require more roads to be built through the forest, and increase the risk of soil disturbance and damage to the remaining trees during harvesting.

Seed Tree Harvest
In a seed tree harvest, five or more scattered trees per acre are left in the harvested area to provide seeds for a new forest stand. These trees are selected based on their growth rate, form, seeding ability, wind resistance and future marketability.

Wildlife benefit from seed tree harvests in much the same way as they do from a clearcut harvest, except that they also reap the benefits of the seed trees themselves. If left on site indefinitely, seed trees eventually may become snags or downed logs, which are important habitat components for woodpeckers and many other species. Seed trees are also excellent food sources and nesting sites for hawks and other birds.

One disadvantage to seed tree harvests is that the remaining trees are at increased risk of damage from wind, lightening, insect attack and logging of nearby trees. This type harvest may also require the landowner to make future investments in thinning and competition control because of uncontrolled reseeding."


https://www.ncforestry.org/teachers/forest-management-basics/

Dumb bitch.

No "floor sweeping" in that at all

Dumb Bitch

LOL, you're an idiot. Cleaning up ground cover is a huge part of management. You want some of this? Oh wait.....you'll run crying to mommy.

 

[Rustic]

Thanks Jerry Brown! Thanks California Democrats! Thanks Environmental Lobby that OWNS THEM!

Wildfires have been burning throughout the temperate North American rainforest all summer long, not just in California but across northern Canada as well.

This has been the worst year in history for forest fires and one of the worst for hurricanes but it’s important that Trump continue to deny climate change so his billionaire buddies don’t have to start using green energy.

Lol
You guys can use green energy if you want… Most Americans can’t afford green energy… Live with it

If you add in the tax burdens created by the wildfires, and the loss of potential revenues, and the loss of life associated with upper respiratory illnesses assosciated with the burning of fossil fuels, Americans can't afford to continue to deny the effects of climate change.

I used to have to rush to emergency at least once a week in the summer months due to asthma attacks. I haven't done that once since Ontario eliminated coal fired electrical plants. Extrapolated across the millions of asthmatics across North America, what's the dollar cost in that savings. I know personally, it's eliminated the $200 inhaler I used to carry with me everywhere, not to mention the health effects of huffing on steriods every day.

And here's a clue for a Trumpbot: The cheapest price isn't always the best deal or the wisest decision. If the cheapest form of electricity causes the people to get sick, the water to be polluted and the air to be turned into potential acid rain, damaging buildings and infrastructure, then the costs of cleaning up the mess it creates are much greater than the savings on the electricity.

Not to mention we are generating billions of dollars in new jobs and investment in solar energy and windmills, while coal miners are still losing their jobs across America. Why not retrain them in new technologies rather than sending them back into the mines to die of black lung disease?

Talk about picking up the peanuts while being trampled by the elephants!

Lol
With fossil fuels the northern plains would be a wasteland, Like I said you guys can keep it if you want it and leave the rest of us out of it.
Black lung does not apply to open pit mining in the northern plains where most of Americas power comes from in this country so shut the fuck up...