Live by the Polls, Die by the Polls

[Dante]

Here we are well into July. Getting close to where the presidential contest tightens up. Soon it's September and we'll be waiting for October surprises, if any.

But for now all we've had are the innocents and ill-informed ranting about polls. Not grasping what the polls actually are, what they do, who analyzes them and how, and who actually does the polls and is respected, trusted and valued.


and now...
"After months of brutal 2024 polls, President Biden has some cause for optimism."

https://www.axios.com/2024/06/09/biden-trump-2024-polls-post-conviction-lead

 

[Dante]

a previous post rewritten:

National polls are not totally useless. But the way people view them is. As you should know, this far out they are about what is commonly referred to as the horse race.

The popular vote?

Are people ignoring exit polling?

In many states, issues are put on the ballot in order to drive people to the polls. The GOP has done it for all of my lifetime, in particular states. The issues were usually god, gays, or guns, or any combination of. The ballot shit was not really ever about winning on an issue. It was almost always about driving particular voters to the polls.

Now it's about MAGA and Victimhood and Trump and Victimhood and...

 

[The Irish Ram]

LOL I guess all these voters didn't see the poll...

 

[Crepitus]

Here we are well into July. Getting close to where the presidential contest tightens up. Soon it's September and we'll be waiting for October surprises, if any.

But for now all we've had are the innocents and ill-informed ranting about polls. Not grasping what the polls actually are, what they do, who analyzes them and how, and who actually does the polls and is respected, trusted and valued.


and now...
"After months of brutal 2024 polls, President Biden has some cause for optimism."

https://www.axios.com/2024/06/09/biden-trump-2024-polls-post-conviction-lead

Most polls are nonsense. Media needs a close race or they can't sell ads so they manipulate the polls to make them closer than things really are. Usually by massively oversampling republicans.

 

[Dante]

Most polls are nonsense. Media needs a close race or they can't sell ads so they manipulate the polls to make them closer than things really are. Usually by massively oversampling republicans.

Yes and no. It depends on the poll and what it is looking to do. Reports on a poll can also be shit. Again, it depends on the poll and what the reports are looking to do.

People who analyze polls are not on the same game as many reporters..

 

[Crepitus]

Yes and no. It depends on the poll and what it is looking to do. Reports on a poll can also be shit. Again, it depends on the poll and what the reports are looking to do.

People who analyze polls are not on the same game as many reporters..

But many if not most polling is either done by or initiated by media organizations.

 

[Crepitus]

LOL I guess all these voters didn't see the poll...
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That's not that many people.

 

[Dante]

But many if not most polling is either done by or initiated by media organizations.

If it's done with a polling firm? The media polls that are suspicious are the ones that they do as surveys or polls of viewers, followers of the media entity. I suggest people look to reputable folks who analyze polls and make available their methodologies.

 

[Dante]

LOL I guess all these voters didn't see the poll...
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Cropped photos? But so what? It's meant to deceive. And we know of all those rallies in 2020.

How did that end for Trump and MAGA?

 

[MarathonMike]

Here we are well into July. Getting close to where the presidential contest tightens up. Soon it's September and we'll be waiting for October surprises, if any.

But for now all we've had are the innocents and ill-informed ranting about polls. Not grasping what the polls actually are, what they do, who analyzes them and how, and who actually does the polls and is respected, trusted and valued.


and now...
"After months of brutal 2024 polls, President Biden has some cause for optimism."

https://www.axios.com/2024/06/09/biden-trump-2024-polls-post-conviction-lead

ALL the polls are pointing South for brain dead Biden. It's not cherry-picking this poll or that poll. ALL THE POLLS say the people are shifting away from Biden and toward Trump.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Cropped photos? But so what? It's meant to deceive. And we know of all those rallies in 2020.

How did that end for Trump and MAGA?

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Lol, you idiot. They are televised in real time with crowds as far as the eye can see.
It ended in a rigged election. That's not going to be so easy to pull off this time...

 

[Crepitus]

If it's done with a polling firm? The media polls that are suspicious are the ones that they do as surveys or polls of viewers, followers of the media entity. I suggest people look to reputable folks who analyze polls and make available their methodologies.

IMHO the commissioned ones are just as bad. The pollsters want to make their customers happy. I usually look at the methodology and often one group will be massively oversampled.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

LOL I guess all these voters didn't see the poll...
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How did those big crowds work out for Trump and Bernie in 2020?

 

[Rambunctious]

How did those big crowds work out for Trump and Bernie in 2020?

Worked great Trump won in a landslide until the dems stole it with covid election rules...

 

[The Irish Ram]

How did those big crowds work out for Trump and Bernie in 2020?

They worked fine until the 3am ballot dump for Biden.

We'll be watching for it this time...

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

They worked fine until the 3am ballot dump for Biden.
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We'll be watching for it this time...

Oh, you’re still pushing that lie.

So, in other words, you have nothing to say.

 

[San Souci]

Most polls are nonsense. Media needs a close race or they can't sell ads so they manipulate the polls to make them closer than things really are. Usually by massively oversampling republicans.

CNN and PMSNBC Polls Repubs?

 

[Crepitus]

CNN and PMSNBC Polls Repubs?

Indeed they do. Have you missed all my rants on the supposedly left leaning main stream media?

 

[The Irish Ram]

Oh, you’re still pushing that lie.

So, in other words, you have nothing to say.

Lots to say. Start with blue states going to court to insist dead people be allowed to vote:

Of those nearly 26,000 dead Michigan residents, 23,663 had been dead for at least five years, 17,479 had been dead for at least a decade and, astonishingly, 3,956 had been dead for at least two decades, yet they were still listed as registered voters in the state.

Shit like that isn't going to work this time.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Lots to say. Start with blue states going to court to insist dead people be allowed to vote:

Another lie

Of those nearly 26,000 dead Michigan residents, 23,663 had been dead for at least five years, 17,479 had been dead for at least a decade and, astonishingly, 3,956 had been dead for at least two decades, yet they were still listed as registered voters in the state.

Registered voters isn't the same as voting.

Shit like that isn't going to work this time.

And you still have nothing.