Listened to arguments before the SC today about banning tik tak

[the watcher]

and it is pretty obvious someone on Congress didn't get their stock shares or campaign gift this year. Seems like the "government" is afraid that whoever runs tik tak might seek to influence people and make them not like Congress or have impure thoughts. It will all boil down to what defines "national security" and does that concern have to be identified or just invoked. Pretty weak argument from the DOJ. What makes tik take different from a hundred other platforms? China has been determined to be a "foreign adversary". Is that enough, we'll see.

 

[1srelluc]

There are plenty of people willing to buy a divested Tic-Toc because it's a money-maker.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/09/tech/tiktok-ban-buy-frank-mccourt-kevin-oleary-bytedance/index.html

 

[pknopp]

I can't imagine the court upholds the ban but we don't know who might have been funding vacations for them.

 

[1srelluc]

I can't imagine the court upholds the ban but we don't know who might have been funding vacations for them.

I believe they will......Lots of "if you divest, we would not be here" statements by the Justices.

 

[sparky]

our security, or their security?.....~S~

 

[frigidweirdo]

and it is pretty obvious someone on Congress didn't get their stock shares or campaign gift this year. Seems like the "government" is afraid that whoever runs tik tak might seek to influence people and make them not like Congress or have impure thoughts. It will all boil down to what defines "national security" and does that concern have to be identified or just invoked. Pretty weak argument from the DOJ. What makes tik take different from a hundred other platforms? China has been determined to be a "foreign adversary". Is that enough, we'll see.

Tik Tok should be banned because it is a threat. How is it a threat? Manipulation.

It's pretty obvious it exists, and China is using lots of such methods to attack the US, to cause chaos.

 

[pknopp]

Tik Tok should be banned because it is a threat. How is it a threat? Manipulation.

It's pretty obvious it exists, and China is using lots of such methods to attack the US, to cause chaos.

How are you being manipulated?

 

[airplanemechanic]

I like TicTaks especially the orange ones.

 

[the watcher]

Tik Tok should be banned because it is a threat. How is it a threat? Manipulation.

You don't think mainstream media manipulates anyone?

 

[frigidweirdo]

How are you being manipulated?

Me personally?

Well that's Facebook. I started a thread about it a while ago.

The manipulation of Facebook by.....

Facebook is driving me NUTS these days. The same message gets posted over and over and over and over again. Here's are some examples Some of these are clearly AI images. I'll talk about the last one, it pops up a lot (I was going to talk about the two old dudes with artificial legs saying...

www.usmessageboard.com

I posted some of the images I got up from Facebook. During the election there were huge numbers, like every few posts you'd get things promoting soldiers above education and the like. Obviously AI, I went and looked at the profiles of the people commenting, and many of those profiles are dead profiles, nothing's been posted for a decade. So, they've stolen the accounts and are using them to try and make the AI stuff look legitimate.

Most of them were on issues that Trump and MAGA support.

China especially, but Russia too, want to have people at each other's throats, so they're pumping out such things, trying to push each side further to the right or the left to create discord.

https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/os-scook-092723.pdf

Here's an article from "freedom house", no idea who they are, I haven't read much of the article, but it's an example of people looking at what China is doing and seeing not good things.

"This testimony focuses on how the Chinese Communist Party(CCP) and related actors are attempting to influence media, news, and information flows in the United States as well as the state of our country’s local response and resilience, addressing topics including:

The CCP’s objectives in targeting the US media environment• The state of Beijing’s current media influence efforts, including key tactics and emergingtrends• Influence efforts specifically targeting the Chinese diaspora and the role of the WeChatsocial media application• Important sources of resilience in the United States• Ongoing vulnerabilities and the impact of Beijing’s media influence efforts• Recommendations to Congress and executive branch agencies"

TikTok reduces the chances of you seeing anything bad about China. If you posted something about 1989, maybe a few people would see it, and nobody else. They don't ban anything, they just make it very, very hard to pop up on your feed.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/08/tech/tiktok-data-china/index.html

Also personal information, users viewing habits and all kinds of things that will be useful when making AI, especially malicious AI in the future, are being given to Beijing.

 

[frigidweirdo]

You don't think mainstream media manipulates anyone?

Yeah, they do.

The difference between the mainstream media and TikTok is that one is run by asshole rich people who are America or from similar countries and TikTok is run by the Chinese government.

You can't see the difference?

 

[the watcher]

So basically, you seek which platforms that you think will influence you the way you want to be manipulated. I think that's called confirmation bias. There's a lot of that going around.

 

[pknopp]

Me personally?

Well that's Facebook. I started a thread about it a while ago.

The manipulation of Facebook by.....

Facebook is driving me NUTS these days. The same message gets posted over and over and over and over again. Here's are some examples Some of these are clearly AI images. I'll talk about the last one, it pops up a lot (I was going to talk about the two old dudes with artificial legs saying...

www.usmessageboard.com

I posted some of the images I got up from Facebook. During the election there were huge numbers, like every few posts you'd get things promoting soldiers above education and the like. Obviously AI, I went and looked at the profiles of the people commenting, and many of those profiles are dead profiles, nothing's been posted for a decade. So, they've stolen the accounts and are using them to try and make the AI stuff look legitimate.

Most of them were on issues that Trump and MAGA support.

China especially, but Russia too, want to have people at each other's throats, so they're pumping out such things, trying to push each side further to the right or the left to create discord.

https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/os-scook-092723.pdf

Here's an article from "freedom house", no idea who they are, I haven't read much of the article, but it's an example of people looking at what China is doing and seeing not good things.

"This testimony focuses on how the Chinese Communist Party(CCP) and related actors are attempting to influence media, news, and information flows in the United States as well as the state of our country’s local response and resilience, addressing topics including:

The CCP’s objectives in targeting the US media environment• The state of Beijing’s current media influence efforts, including key tactics and emergingtrends• Influence efforts specifically targeting the Chinese diaspora and the role of the WeChatsocial media application• Important sources of resilience in the United States• Ongoing vulnerabilities and the impact of Beijing’s media influence efforts• Recommendations to Congress and executive branch agencies"

TikTok reduces the chances of you seeing anything bad about China. If you posted something about 1989, maybe a few people would see it, and nobody else. They don't ban anything, they just make it very, very hard to pop up on your feed.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/08/tech/tiktok-data-china/index.html

Also personal information, users viewing habits and all kinds of things that will be useful when making AI, especially malicious AI in the future, are being given to Beijing.

SO you don't like the things posted on a site that you don't even have to visit and you want the government to step in for you?

Really?

 

[frigidweirdo]

SO you don't like the things posted on a site that you don't even have to visit and you want the government to step in for you?

Really?

If that's what you're reading from what I wrote, then I don't want to bother talking to you any more. I can't lower myself that much.

 

[pknopp]

If that's what you're reading from what I wrote, then I don't want to bother talking to you any more. I can't lower myself that much.

Yes, that is what I read. You don't like what others post to a site you don't even have to visit and you want the government to step in and do something about it.

TikTok is about stupid video's. Not everything has to be about your stupid politics.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Yes, that is what I read. You don't like what others post to a site you don't even have to visit and you want the government to step in and do something about it.

TikTok is about stupid video's. Not everything has to be about your stupid politics.

Then welcome to the ignore list. I can be at your fucking left of stupid.

 

[d0gbreath]

You don't think mainstream media manipulates anyone?

You're probably not the only one.