Zone1 Life is hard

[Woodznutz]

christianity is just another word for judaism ... both are repudiated in the 1st century.

jesus taught all in the heavens are equal as the only means to free ones spirit is the complete responsibility of the individual and nothing else.

We're not in heaven yet.

 

[ding]

We're not in heaven yet.

True, but the kingdom of heaven is now.

The statement "the kingdom of heaven is now" can be understood in various ways, often referencing the concept of the Kingdom of God as both a present reality and a future hope. Specifically, it relates to Jesus's teaching that his ministry inaugurated the kingdom, making it available to those who embrace him. It also points to a future fulfillment, where the kingdom will be fully realized at Christ's return.
Here's a more detailed explanation:

• Present Reality:
  Jesus's first coming is considered the inauguration of the kingdom, meaning it's available to those who accept him and are under his rule. This is supported by verses like Luke 17:21, which states that the kingdom is "among you" or "in your midst," according to Bible Hub.
  
  
• • Future Hope:
    The kingdom also has a future aspect, as prayed for in the Lord's Prayer: "Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven" according to Stand to Reason. This suggests a future fulfillment, potentially at Christ's second coming.
    
  • Inauguration and Consummation:
    The kingdom is considered both inaugurated (brought into existence) through Jesus's first coming and will be consummated (fully realized) at his return.
    
  • Internal Transformation:
    Some interpretations emphasize the kingdom as residing within believers, reflecting a spiritual transformation through faith in Jesus and the presence of the Holy Spirit.
    
  • Reflection in Daily Life:
    Recognizing the presence of the kingdom now calls believers to live out their faith in ways that reflect Christ's reign in their lives and communities.

 

[MarathonMike]

Another way of putting it is that becoming/living the best version of oneself is hard work. We, perhaps all too readily, dismiss our own shortcomings as faults/shortcomings not a big deal. We don't work hard enough at overcoming them.

Oh OK, I can see that.

 

[Woodznutz]

True, but the kingdom of heaven is now.

The statement "the kingdom of heaven is now" can be understood in various ways, often referencing the concept of the Kingdom of God as both a present reality and a future hope. Specifically, it relates to Jesus's teaching that his ministry inaugurated the kingdom, making it available to those who embrace him. It also points to a future fulfillment, where the kingdom will be fully realized at Christ's return.
Here's a more detailed explanation:

• Present Reality:
  Jesus's first coming is considered the inauguration of the kingdom, meaning it's available to those who accept him and are under his rule. This is supported by verses like Luke 17:21, which states that the kingdom is "among you" or "in your midst," according to Bible Hub.
  
  
• • Future Hope:
    The kingdom also has a future aspect, as prayed for in the Lord's Prayer: "Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven" according to Stand to Reason. This suggests a future fulfillment, potentially at Christ's second coming.
  • Inauguration and Consummation:
    The kingdom is considered both inaugurated (brought into existence) through Jesus's first coming and will be consummated (fully realized) at his return.
  • Internal Transformation:
    Some interpretations emphasize the kingdom as residing within believers, reflecting a spiritual transformation through faith in Jesus and the presence of the Holy Spirit.
  • Reflection in Daily Life:
    Recognizing the presence of the kingdom now calls believers to live out their faith in ways that reflect Christ's reign in their lives and communities.

I like "within" as within your soul better than "among" or "within your midst". He made this statement to the Pharisees not to the disciples. He used the term "you" in a general sense.

 

[BreezeWood]

We're not in heaven yet.

jesus taught all in the heavens are equal as the only means to free ones spirit is the complete responsibility of the individual and nothing else.

the path to the everlasting is not found reading unsubstantiated bibles of forgeries and fallacies - there is nothing written by the hand of jesus to read proves the existential means as those to which the path is found.

 

[BreezeWood]

He taught obedience to the will of God. These two go hand-in-hand. It also answers how far does one have to go in following/obeying God? Even through death.

the life of dichotomy, obedience / how far to go - howabout live your own life is the heavenly expectation - there are as may personalities above as below - called: just do not sin. to be admitted.

 

[Crepitus]

Evidence is for it. I am not speaking of the variety of cultural norms. I am speaking of how we treat and behave towards others in our own families/community/tribe.

If that were true we would never have had nazis or pol pot or lenin or even the mednendez brothers.

 

[Invisibleflash]

CS Lewis pointed out that human beings have an innate knowledge of what they ought to do and what they should not do. Even knowing what we should and should not do, we fail at this. Life is hard and often unfair.

Lewis’ premise is that it took a human being to understand what mankind is up against, knowing what is right and wrong, and yet failing in living up to what we know is right and we know is wrong. It took a human to understand the problem, while taking God to show us the way to live. And so the Word became man, and he was sinless, living a sinless life. He did this by always discerning and submitting to the will of the Father.

Take a look at the Greek translation (tetelestai) of the Aramaic (mashelem). While both Greek and Aramaic translate to It is finished, what is meant by “It is finished” differs. In Greek, the connotation is Paid in Full as a debt paid in full. In Aramaic, the connotation is Complete submission as living in peace with greater authority.

Life is hard. Was Jesus telling us that life is hard, but all our debts have been paid? Or was Jesus telling us that he lived in complete submission to God’s will even when it meant dying a horrible death–and that we, his followers also should live in complete submission to the Father’s will.

I say it is the latter. What say you?

1) There is / are no god/s. It is all manmade lies.

2)...

 

[Meriweather]

There is / are no god/s. It is all manmade lies.

God is.

 

[BreezeWood]

God is.

- no where found in the desert bibles.