Zone1 Life is hard

[Meriweather]

CS Lewis pointed out that human beings have an innate knowledge of what they ought to do and what they should not do. Even knowing what we should and should not do, we fail at this. Life is hard and often unfair.

Lewis’ premise is that it took a human being to understand what mankind is up against, knowing what is right and wrong, and yet failing in living up to what we know is right and we know is wrong. It took a human to understand the problem, while taking God to show us the way to live. And so the Word became man, and he was sinless, living a sinless life. He did this by always discerning and submitting to the will of the Father.

Take a look at the Greek translation (tetelestai) of the Aramaic (mashelem). While both Greek and Aramaic translate to It is finished, what is meant by “It is finished” differs. In Greek, the connotation is Paid in Full as a debt paid in full. In Aramaic, the connotation is Complete submission as living in peace with greater authority.

Life is hard. Was Jesus telling us that life is hard, but all our debts have been paid? Or was Jesus telling us that he lived in complete submission to God’s will even when it meant dying a horrible death–and that we, his followers also should live in complete submission to the Father’s will.

I say it is the latter. What say you?

 

[Dekster]

I interpret it as meaning the Old Testament prophecy is fulfilled.

 

[MarathonMike]

Whether one's life is hard or not primarily depends on making good decisions, or more importantly not making bad decisions. I think that is part good parents, part self-esteem, part innate intelligence (or lack thereof) part dumb luck.

 

[shockedcanadian]

CS Lewis pointed out that human beings have an innate knowledge of what they ought to do and what they should not do. Even knowing what we should and should not do, we fail at this. Life is hard and often unfair.

Lewis’ premise is that it took a human being to understand what mankind is up against, knowing what is right and wrong, and yet failing in living up to what we know is right and we know is wrong. It took a human to understand the problem, while taking God to show us the way to live. And so the Word became man, and he was sinless, living a sinless life. He did this by always discerning and submitting to the will of the Father.

Take a look at the Greek translation (tetelestai) of the Aramaic (mashelem). While both Greek and Aramaic translate to It is finished, what is meant by “It is finished” differs. In Greek, the connotation is Paid in Full as a debt paid in full. In Aramaic, the connotation is Complete submission as living in peace with greater authority.

Life is hard. Was Jesus telling us that life is hard, but all our debts have been paid? Or was Jesus telling us that he lived in complete submission to God’s will even when it meant dying a horrible death–and that we, his followers also should live in complete submission to the Father’s will.

I say it is the latter. What say you?

CS Lewis pointed out that human beings have an innate knowledge of what they ought to do and what they should not do. Even knowing what we should and should not do, we fail at this. Life is hard and often unfair.

Lewis’ premise is that it took a human being to understand what mankind is up against, knowing what is right and wrong, and yet failing in living up to what we know is right and we know is wrong. It took a human to understand the problem, while taking God to show us the way to live. And so the Word became man, and he was sinless, living a sinless life. He did this by always discerning and submitting to the will of the Father.

Take a look at the Greek translation (tetelestai) of the Aramaic (mashelem). While both Greek and Aramaic translate to It is finished, what is meant by “It is finished” differs. In Greek, the connotation is Paid in Full as a debt paid in full. In Aramaic, the connotation is Complete submission as living in peace with greater authority.

Life is hard. Was Jesus telling us that life is hard, but all our debts have been paid? Or was Jesus telling us that he lived in complete submission to God’s will even when it meant dying a horrible death–and that we, his followers also should live in complete submission to the Father’s will.

I say it is the latter. What say you?

CS Lewis pointed out that human beings have an innate knowledge of what they ought to do and what they should not do. Even knowing what we should and should not do, we fail at this. Life is hard and often unfair.

Lewis’ premise is that it took a human being to understand what mankind is up against, knowing what is right and wrong, and yet failing in living up to what we know is right and we know is wrong. It took a human to understand the problem, while taking God to show us the way to live. And so the Word became man, and he was sinless, living a sinless life. He did this by always discerning and submitting to the will of the Father.

Take a look at the Greek translation (tetelestai) of the Aramaic (mashelem). While both Greek and Aramaic translate to It is finished, what is meant by “It is finished” differs. In Greek, the connotation is Paid in Full as a debt paid in full. In Aramaic, the connotation is Complete submission as living in peace with greater authority.

Life is hard. Was Jesus telling us that life is hard, but all our debts have been paid? Or was Jesus telling us that he lived in complete submission to God’s will even when it meant dying a horrible death–and that we, his followers also should live in complete submission to the Father’s will.

I say it is the latter. What say you?

CS Lewis pointed out that human beings have an innate knowledge of what they ought to do and what they should not do. Even knowing what we should and should not do, we fail at this. Life is hard and often unfair.

Lewis’ premise is that it took a human being to understand what mankind is up against, knowing what is right and wrong, and yet failing in living up to what we know is right and we know is wrong. It took a human to understand the problem, while taking God to show us the way to live. And so the Word became man, and he was sinless, living a sinless life. He did this by always discerning and submitting to the will of the Father.

Take a look at the Greek translation (tetelestai) of the Aramaic (mashelem). While both Greek and Aramaic translate to It is finished, what is meant by “It is finished” differs. In Greek, the connotation is Paid in Full as a debt paid in full. In Aramaic, the connotation is Complete submission as living in peace with greater authority.

Life is hard. Was Jesus telling us that life is hard, but all our debts have been paid? Or was Jesus telling us that he lived in complete submission to God’s will even when it meant dying a horrible death–and that we, his followers also should live in complete submission to the Father’s will.

I say it is the latter. What say you?

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[Crepitus]

innate knowledge of what they ought to do and what they should not do.

They do not. All the evidence is against this.

 

[Woodznutz]

God's way of life is easy. It's the Devil's way of life that is hard (been there, done that).

 

[Meriweather]

Whether one's life is hard or not primarily depends on making good decisions, or more importantly not making bad decisions. I think that is part good parents, part self-esteem, part innate intelligence (or lack thereof) part dumb luck.

Lewis was speaking of little things, day-to-day. For example, everyone ought to follow the speed limit posted. One should always be courteous, never short with others, no matter what our mood. One should not litter; if one sees litter, one ought to pick it up and dispose of it properly. One should not not lie or fudge on the truth. One should be modest and chaste. One should not swear, but let 'yes' be our 'yes' and 'no' be our 'no'. No cheating. We should have standards; the community should have standards and hold one another to them. Worship should be a priority.

 

[Meriweather]

They do not. All the evidence is against this.

Evidence is for it. I am not speaking of the variety of cultural norms. I am speaking of how we treat and behave towards others in our own families/community/tribe.

 

[Woodznutz]

Lewis was speaking of little things, day-to-day. For example, everyone ought to follow the speed limit posted. One should always be courteous, never short with others, no matter what our mood. One should not litter; if one sees litter, one ought to pick it up and dispose of it properly. One should not not lie or fudge on the truth. One should be modest and chaste. One should not swear, but let 'yes' be our 'yes' and 'no' be our 'no'. No cheating. We should have standards; the community should have standards and hold one another to them. Worship should be a priority.

The aforementioned behaviors are worship. Loving yourself and others is the worship God desires.

 

[MarathonMike]

God's way of life is easy. It's the Devil's way of life that is hard (been there, done that).

I'm not sure that is supportable. There are many who have given their lives to God and had very hard lives. I agree that nearly everyone who lives a criminal/evil life does not fair well.

 

[Unkotare]

Life isn't hard or soft. People are.

 

[BreezeWood]

Complete submission as living in peace with greater authority.

christianity is just another word for judaism ... both are repudiated in the 1st century.

jesus taught all in the heavens are equal as the only means to free ones spirit is the complete responsibility of the individual and nothing else.

 

[MarathonMike]

Lewis was speaking of little things, day-to-day. For example, everyone ought to follow the speed limit posted. One should always be courteous, never short with others, no matter what our mood. One should not litter; if one sees litter, one ought to pick it up and dispose of it properly. One should not not lie or fudge on the truth. One should be modest and chaste. One should not swear, but let 'yes' be our 'yes' and 'no' be our 'no'. No cheating. We should have standards; the community should have standards and hold one another to them. Worship should be a priority.

That just sounds like be courteous and respectful, not so much why Life is Hard. But then I'm not familiar with CS Lewis.

 

[Meriweather]

That just sounds like be courteous and respectful, not so much why Life is Hard. But then I'm not familiar with CS Lewis.

Another way of putting it is that becoming/living the best version of oneself is hard work. We, perhaps all too readily, dismiss our own shortcomings as faults/shortcomings not a big deal. We don't work hard enough at overcoming them.

 

[ding]

CS Lewis pointed out that human beings have an innate knowledge of what they ought to do and what they should not do. Even knowing what we should and should not do, we fail at this. Life is hard and often unfair.

Lewis’ premise is that it took a human being to understand what mankind is up against, knowing what is right and wrong, and yet failing in living up to what we know is right and we know is wrong. It took a human to understand the problem, while taking God to show us the way to live. And so the Word became man, and he was sinless, living a sinless life. He did this by always discerning and submitting to the will of the Father.

Take a look at the Greek translation (tetelestai) of the Aramaic (mashelem). While both Greek and Aramaic translate to It is finished, what is meant by “It is finished” differs. In Greek, the connotation is Paid in Full as a debt paid in full. In Aramaic, the connotation is Complete submission as living in peace with greater authority.

Life is hard. Was Jesus telling us that life is hard, but all our debts have been paid? Or was Jesus telling us that he lived in complete submission to God’s will even when it meant dying a horrible death–and that we, his followers also should live in complete submission to the Father’s will.

I say it is the latter. What say you?

Maybe both are true.

 

[ding]

That just sounds like be courteous and respectful, not so much why Life is Hard. But then I'm not familiar with CS Lewis.

That's part of living the good life. Giving thanks, being reflective, performing random acts of kindness, etc. are all parts of living the good life.

 

[ding]

christianity is just another word for judaism ... both are repudiated in the 1st century.

jesus taught all in the heavens are equal as the only means to free ones spirit is the complete responsibility of the individual and nothing else.

Do you have any evidence for those beliefs?

 

[Meriweather]

Maybe both are true.

I argue against God having to punish someone, especially an innocent man. When someone forgives someone a debt, they don't find an innocent person to punish. Jesus taught repentance (change of mind/heart) for the forgiveness of sins. He taught obedience to the will of God. These two go hand-in-hand. It also answers how far does one have to go in following/obeying God? Even through death.

I have heard the argument that Jesus paid for all sins (of Christians) before a person even committed those sins--that it was all forgiven and paid for two thousand years ago.

 

[ding]

I argue against God having to punish someone, especially an innocent man.

I don't think that's what it was. God allowed himself to be put on trial, convicted and executed. He paid the debt for creating an unfair world even though the unfair world was due to the free will of man. That's why I think it is both.

God is put on trial daily in this forum. Just read some of the UNINFORMED complaints against God.

 

[Woodznutz]

I'm not sure that is supportable. There are many who have given their lives to God and had very hard lives. I agree that nearly everyone who lives a criminal/evil life does not fair well.

There's a period of adjustment to a new life that does have some hardships, but in the end God's way of life is much better than the alternative. Of course I can only speak from my own experience.