Liberals: Be Not Offended!

[NYcarbineer]

Liberalism is the only religion that doesn't believe in something imaginary.

Leftism - as PC noted - is a retrograde religion which is totally immersed in that greatest of all fantasies ... the free lunch.

Can't say as I remember the Founders saying that anything was free...

Good point but we already have a free ride (on federal income tax) for the bottom 49% of American earners and despite our existing debt and current deficit spending, JSmit insists we add free education and free health care.
BTW, I have no prob with gov't goodies as long as they are productive and we can afford them. As things stand, we can't even afford the freebies we now provide.

Raise taxes, cut spending, and grow the economy. All three must be done at the same time. When your government can't pay the bills that's what people with common sense do.

Looks like there's hope for you.

BUT.....you should take a look at the best recession fighter in US history...Warren G. Harding.....

...he took a recession comparable to the one FDR fudged....and beat it in a year and a half.


Know how?
Cut government spending AND cut taxes big time.

That's because he was a Republican....

Not one of these:

But he did identify what he called “tactical lessons.” He let himself look too much like “the same old tax-and-spend liberal Democrat.” http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/17/magazine/17obama-t.html

More rightwing propaganda.

Harding only cut taxes because taxes had been raised to pay for WWI, and WWI was over.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Are you aware of the fact that Leftism is the most dynamic of religions?

Liberalism is the only religion that doesn't believe in something imaginary.

Leftism - as PC noted - is a retrograde religion which is totally immersed in that greatest of all fantasies ... the free lunch.

I thought we were tax and spend liberals? lol.

Taxation pays for the lunch. The Right is where the free lunch is worshipped,

most often in the form of more spending accompanied by tax CUTS. Free lunch. Free wars.

Nah ... at the moment you are just spend OPM leftists.
Currently, borrowed money is paying for the free lunch and last I looked the very definition of the term "conservative" is "pay (more or less) as we go."
Meanwhile, Comrade JSmit insists we add free education and free health care. He didn't mention if he would pay for it by raiding other programs, new taxes or more borrowed money.

Reagan escalated the Cold War and didn't pay for it. Bush Sr. started a war with Iraq and didn't pay for it. GW Bush invaded Afghanistan and Iraq, TWO wars, and didn't pay for either of them. In fact both Reagan and GW CUT taxes,

thus reducing revenues, while taking on those extraordinary expenses, aka wars.

That is how you bust your budget.

Liar....

Reagan did more than pay for it.....ten times more.

1. Under Reagan, the debt went up $1.7 trillion, from $900 billion to $2.6 trillion.
2. But….the national wealth went up $ 17 trillion
3. Reagan's near-trillion-dollar bulge in defense spending transformed the global balance of power in favor of capitalism. Spurring a stock-market, energy, venture-capital, real-estate and employment boom, the Reagan tax-rate cuts and other pro-enterprise policies added some $17 trillion to America's private-sector assets, dwarfing the trillion-dollar rise in public-sector deficits and creating 45 million net new jobs at rising wages and salaries.

George Gilder The Real Reagan Lesson for Romney-Ryan - WSJ


Reaganomics - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia



He didn't 'escalate' the Cold War....he won it.

 

[NYcarbineer]

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Looks like there's hope for you.

BUT.....you should take a look at the best recession fighter in US history...Warren G. Harding.....

...he took a recession comparable to the one FDR fudged....and beat it in a year and a half.

You lie. Again.

The post WWI recession ended in July 1921. Harding was not inaugurated until March of '21.

The Revenue Act of 1921 passed in November of 1921, 4 months after the recession ended.

By May of 1923, the country was back in recession, and a few months later Harding was dead.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Liberalism is the only religion that doesn't believe in something imaginary.

Leftism - as PC noted - is a retrograde religion which is totally immersed in that greatest of all fantasies ... the free lunch.

I thought we were tax and spend liberals? lol.

Taxation pays for the lunch. The Right is where the free lunch is worshipped,

most often in the form of more spending accompanied by tax CUTS. Free lunch. Free wars.

Nah ... at the moment you are just spend OPM leftists.
Currently, borrowed money is paying for the free lunch and last I looked the very definition of the term "conservative" is "pay (more or less) as we go."
Meanwhile, Comrade JSmit insists we add free education and free health care. He didn't mention if he would pay for it by raiding other programs, new taxes or more borrowed money.

Reagan escalated the Cold War and didn't pay for it. Bush Sr. started a war with Iraq and didn't pay for it. GW Bush invaded Afghanistan and Iraq, TWO wars, and didn't pay for either of them. In fact both Reagan and GW CUT taxes,

thus reducing revenues, while taking on those extraordinary expenses, aka wars.

That is how you bust your budget.

Liar....

Reagan did more than pay for it.....ten times more.

1. Under Reagan, the debt went up $1.7 trillion, from $900 billion to $2.6 trillion.
2. But….the national wealth went up $ 17 trillion
3. Reagan's near-trillion-dollar bulge in defense spending transformed the global balance of power in favor of capitalism. Spurring a stock-market, energy, venture-capital, real-estate and employment boom, the Reagan tax-rate cuts and other pro-enterprise policies added some $17 trillion to America's private-sector assets, dwarfing the trillion-dollar rise in public-sector deficits and creating 45 million net new jobs at rising wages and salaries.

George Gilder The Real Reagan Lesson for Romney-Ryan - WSJ


Reaganomics - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

You lie AGAIN. Reagan ADDED to the national debt. He didn't pay ANY of it down.

Stop lying.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Liberalism is the American version of fascism.

Liberalism is the founding ideology of America. It granted us Liberty, among other things...

Stop lying.

Not the modern version of Liberalism, which is simply a title stolen by the communist/socialist John Dewey, and applied to the Socialist Party.


How Socialist John Dewey Switched Labels
by Jim Peron

1. Pity the poor liberal. And I mean the real liberal. Not the modern watered-down socialist who calls himself a liberal but a real, honest, classical liberal. There is so much confusion over the term and real liberals have allowed fake liberals to get away with this subtle destruction of the language.
2. The classical liberals proposed laissez faire and this led to prosperity. The economics of 19th century liberalism brought about a major increase in the standard of living of all people. Thus real liberalism produced the effects which socialists dreamed their system would provide.
   1. Many socialists wanted prosperity and thought socialism would lead to such results faster than classical liberalism. But at the same time many socialists saw their ideology as a means of grabbing power for themselves and it was the power, not the promised prosperity, which attracted them.
3. [Socialists] knew that liberalism had a good reputation with the working classes — the very audience which they were targeting. The idea was to adopt the name liberal to describe socialism. Socialism, as socialism, was harder to sell. But by taking a name they did not deserve they felt they could make political gains on the backs of classical liberalism. And they did.
4. In the United States, where liberalism most clearly reversed its meaning, in common parlance, it was the socialist John Dewey who openly promoted the idea of stealing the liberal label. Dewey, in his book Individualism Old and New argued that liberal individualism had in fact disappeared and been replaced by state capitalism and that collectivism already existed in America.
   1. But he noted the collectivism of that day was a “collectivism of profit” and not a “collectivism of planning”. He said the only way liberalism could return to its true meaning was to adopt socialism as the means by which liberal goals would be achieved. As he put it central economic planning was “the sole method of social action by which liberalism can realize its professed aims.”
      1. http://orlingrabbe.com/lfetimes/liberal_confusion.htm

Now don't let me catch you lying about this again.

Name the current socialist programs in place in the US, put in place by liberals.

And, unsurprisingly, PC can't name a single socialist program put in place by liberals.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Leftism - as PC noted - is a retrograde religion which is totally immersed in that greatest of all fantasies ... the free lunch.

Can't say as I remember the Founders saying that anything was free...

Good point but we already have a free ride (on federal income tax) for the bottom 49% of American earners and despite our existing debt and current deficit spending, JSmit insists we add free education and free health care.
BTW, I have no prob with gov't goodies as long as they are productive and we can afford them. As things stand, we can't even afford the freebies we now provide.

Raise taxes, cut spending, and grow the economy. All three must be done at the same time. When your government can't pay the bills that's what people with common sense do.

Looks like there's hope for you.

BUT.....you should take a look at the best recession fighter in US history...Warren G. Harding.....

...he took a recession comparable to the one FDR fudged....and beat it in a year and a half.


Know how?
Cut government spending AND cut taxes big time.

That's because he was a Republican....

Not one of these:

But he did identify what he called “tactical lessons.” He let himself look too much like “the same old tax-and-spend liberal Democrat.” http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/17/magazine/17obama-t.html

More rightwing propaganda.

Harding only cut taxes because taxes had been raised to pay for WWI, and WWI was over.

So THAT'S why you're known as NYLiar!


1." America’s greatest depression fighter was Warren Gamaliel Harding. An Ohio senator when he was elected president in 1920, he followed Woodrow Wilson who got America into World War I, ...Harding inherited the mess, in particular the post-World War I depression – almost as severe, from peak to trough, as the Great Contraction from 1929 to 1933, that FDR inherited and prolonged.

Richard K. Vedder and Lowell E. Gallaway, in their book Out of Work (1993), noted that the magnitude of the 1920 depression "exceeded that for the Great Depression of the following decade for several quarters." The estimated gross national product plunged 24% from $91.5 billion in 1920 to $69.6 billion in 1921. The number of unemployed people jumped from 2.1 million in 1920 to 4.9 million in 1921.

2. Compared to FDR, Harding had a much better understanding of how an economy works. Harding, wrote historian Robert K. Murray, in The Harding Era (1969), "always decried high taxes, government waste, and excessive governmental interference in the private sector of the economy. In February 1920, shortly after announcing his candidacy, he advocated a cut in government expenditures and stated that government ought to ‘strike the shackles from industry.’ ‘We need vastly more freedom than we do regulation,’ he said. Surprisingly, big business took very little notice of him at the time."

3. One of Harding’s campaign slogans was "less government in business," and it served him well. Harding embraced the advice of Treasury Secretary Andrew Mellon and called for tax cuts in his first message to Congress, April 12, 1921. The highest taxes, on corporate revenues and "excess" profits, were to be cut. Personal income taxes were to be left as is, with a top rate of 8% of incomes above $4,000. Harding recognized the crucial importance of encouraging investment essential for growth and jobs, something that FDR never did.

4. "Progressives" were astonishingly blind to Harding’s achievements. Newspaperman William Allen White called Harding "almost unbelievably ill-informed." Historian Allen wrote that Harding’s "mind was vague and fuzzy. Its quality was revealed in the clogged style of his public addresses, in his choice of turgid and maladroit language (‘non-involvement’ in European affairs)." Ironically, Allen wrote this in 1931, when the Great Depression had been going for two years. Harding had the depression of 1920 licked in a year and a half, but under the "progressive" FDR, the Great Depression would persisted throughout the 1930s, until FDR began conscripting millions of young men for the armed forces.

America’s Greatest Depression*Fighter by Jim Powell

http://archive.lewrockwell.com/orig4/powell-jim4.html

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/226645/not-so-great-depression/jim-powell

 

[PoliticalChic]

Leftism - as PC noted - is a retrograde religion which is totally immersed in that greatest of all fantasies ... the free lunch.

I thought we were tax and spend liberals? lol.

Taxation pays for the lunch. The Right is where the free lunch is worshipped,

most often in the form of more spending accompanied by tax CUTS. Free lunch. Free wars.

Nah ... at the moment you are just spend OPM leftists.
Currently, borrowed money is paying for the free lunch and last I looked the very definition of the term "conservative" is "pay (more or less) as we go."
Meanwhile, Comrade JSmit insists we add free education and free health care. He didn't mention if he would pay for it by raiding other programs, new taxes or more borrowed money.

Reagan escalated the Cold War and didn't pay for it. Bush Sr. started a war with Iraq and didn't pay for it. GW Bush invaded Afghanistan and Iraq, TWO wars, and didn't pay for either of them. In fact both Reagan and GW CUT taxes,

thus reducing revenues, while taking on those extraordinary expenses, aka wars.

That is how you bust your budget.

Liar....

Reagan did more than pay for it.....ten times more.

1. Under Reagan, the debt went up $1.7 trillion, from $900 billion to $2.6 trillion.
2. But….the national wealth went up $ 17 trillion
3. Reagan's near-trillion-dollar bulge in defense spending transformed the global balance of power in favor of capitalism. Spurring a stock-market, energy, venture-capital, real-estate and employment boom, the Reagan tax-rate cuts and other pro-enterprise policies added some $17 trillion to America's private-sector assets, dwarfing the trillion-dollar rise in public-sector deficits and creating 45 million net new jobs at rising wages and salaries.

George Gilder The Real Reagan Lesson for Romney-Ryan - WSJ


Reaganomics - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

You lie AGAIN. Reagan ADDED to the national debt. He didn't pay ANY of it down.

Stop lying.

Learn to read, NYLiar....

George Gilder The Real Reagan Lesson for Romney-Ryan - WSJ


Reaganomics - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[SAYIT]

Reagan escalated the Cold War and didn't pay for it. Bush Sr. started a war with Iraq and didn't pay for it. GW Bush invaded Afghanistan and Iraq, TWO wars, and didn't pay for either of them...

You are desperate and monumentally stupid. Reagan WON the Cold War and as a result we enjoyed a very fine peace dividend even as we rebuilt the military Prez Jimmy had hollowed. So who said either Bush was conservative? You?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Reagan escalated the Cold War and didn't pay for it. Bush Sr. started a war with Iraq and didn't pay for it. GW Bush invaded Afghanistan and Iraq, TWO wars, and didn't pay for either of them...

You are desperate and monumentally stupid. Reagan WON the Cold War and as a result we enjoyed a very fine peace dividend even as we rebuilt the military Prez Jimmy had hollowed. So who said either Bush was conservative? You?

Did Reagan pay for the escalation of the Cold War? What peace dividend? Both the Bushes spent that on disastrous entanglements in the ME.

Do you think it was wrong to raise taxes to pay for the Civil War, WWI, WWII, Vietnam, etc.?

Why was that policy wrong?

 

[PoliticalChic]

"What peace dividend?"

The one Clinton lived on, and over spent....then claimed he had a surplus by.

He actually lies more than you do!!!!

 

[NYcarbineer]

I thought we were tax and spend liberals? lol.

Taxation pays for the lunch. The Right is where the free lunch is worshipped,

most often in the form of more spending accompanied by tax CUTS. Free lunch. Free wars.

Nah ... at the moment you are just spend OPM leftists.
Currently, borrowed money is paying for the free lunch and last I looked the very definition of the term "conservative" is "pay (more or less) as we go."
Meanwhile, Comrade JSmit insists we add free education and free health care. He didn't mention if he would pay for it by raiding other programs, new taxes or more borrowed money.

Reagan escalated the Cold War and didn't pay for it. Bush Sr. started a war with Iraq and didn't pay for it. GW Bush invaded Afghanistan and Iraq, TWO wars, and didn't pay for either of them. In fact both Reagan and GW CUT taxes,

thus reducing revenues, while taking on those extraordinary expenses, aka wars.

That is how you bust your budget.

Liar....

Reagan did more than pay for it.....ten times more.

1. Under Reagan, the debt went up $1.7 trillion, from $900 billion to $2.6 trillion.
2. But….the national wealth went up $ 17 trillion
3. Reagan's near-trillion-dollar bulge in defense spending transformed the global balance of power in favor of capitalism. Spurring a stock-market, energy, venture-capital, real-estate and employment boom, the Reagan tax-rate cuts and other pro-enterprise policies added some $17 trillion to America's private-sector assets, dwarfing the trillion-dollar rise in public-sector deficits and creating 45 million net new jobs at rising wages and salaries.

George Gilder The Real Reagan Lesson for Romney-Ryan - WSJ


Reaganomics - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

You lie AGAIN. Reagan ADDED to the national debt. He didn't pay ANY of it down.

Stop lying.

Learn to read, NYLiar....

George Gilder The Real Reagan Lesson for Romney-Ryan - WSJ


Reaganomics - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

If Reagan paid for the spending of his presidency why did the national debt increase from 1980 to 1989?

NO irrelevant links. Explain your claim in your own words.

You've claimed that Reagan didn't any anything to the national debt. You're ignorant.

 

[NYcarbineer]

I thought we were tax and spend liberals? lol.

Taxation pays for the lunch. The Right is where the free lunch is worshipped,

most often in the form of more spending accompanied by tax CUTS. Free lunch. Free wars.

Nah ... at the moment you are just spend OPM leftists.
Currently, borrowed money is paying for the free lunch and last I looked the very definition of the term "conservative" is "pay (more or less) as we go."
Meanwhile, Comrade JSmit insists we add free education and free health care. He didn't mention if he would pay for it by raiding other programs, new taxes or more borrowed money.

Reagan escalated the Cold War and didn't pay for it. Bush Sr. started a war with Iraq and didn't pay for it. GW Bush invaded Afghanistan and Iraq, TWO wars, and didn't pay for either of them. In fact both Reagan and GW CUT taxes,

thus reducing revenues, while taking on those extraordinary expenses, aka wars.

That is how you bust your budget.

Liar....

Reagan did more than pay for it.....ten times more.

1. Under Reagan, the debt went up $1.7 trillion, from $900 billion to $2.6 trillion.
2. But….the national wealth went up $ 17 trillion
3. Reagan's near-trillion-dollar bulge in defense spending transformed the global balance of power in favor of capitalism. Spurring a stock-market, energy, venture-capital, real-estate and employment boom, the Reagan tax-rate cuts and other pro-enterprise policies added some $17 trillion to America's private-sector assets, dwarfing the trillion-dollar rise in public-sector deficits and creating 45 million net new jobs at rising wages and salaries.

George Gilder The Real Reagan Lesson for Romney-Ryan - WSJ


Reaganomics - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

You lie AGAIN. Reagan ADDED to the national debt. He didn't pay ANY of it down.

Stop lying.

Learn to read, NYLiar....

George Gilder The Real Reagan Lesson for Romney-Ryan - WSJ


Reaganomics - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

If Reagan paid for the spending of his presidency why did the national debt increase from 1980 to 1989?

NO irrelevant links. Explain your claim in your own words.

You've claimed that Reagan didn't any anything to the national debt. You're ignorant.

Reagan escalated the Cold War and didn't pay for it. Bush Sr. started a war with Iraq and didn't pay for it. GW Bush invaded Afghanistan and Iraq, TWO wars, and didn't pay for either of them...

You are desperate and monumentally stupid. Reagan WON the Cold War and as a result we enjoyed a very fine peace dividend even as we rebuilt the military Prez Jimmy had hollowed. So who said either Bush was conservative? You?

Won the Cold War? Russia has the same capacity to wipe us out it had in 1980.

 

[regent]

Can't say as I remember the Founders saying that anything was free...

Good point but we already have a free ride (on federal income tax) for the bottom 49% of American earners and despite our existing debt and current deficit spending, JSmit insists we add free education and free health care.
BTW, I have no prob with gov't goodies as long as they are productive and we can afford them. As things stand, we can't even afford the freebies we now provide.

Raise taxes, cut spending, and grow the economy. All three must be done at the same time. When your government can't pay the bills that's what people with common sense do.

oks like there's hope for you.

BUT.....you should take a look at the best recession fighter in US history...Warren G. Harding.....

...he took a recession comparable to the one FDR fudged....and beat it in a year and a half.


Know how?
Cut government spending AND cut taxes big time.

That's because he was a Republican....

Not one of these:

But he did identify what he called “tactical lessons.” He let himself look too much like “the same old tax-and-spend liberal Democrat.” http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/17/magazine/17obama-t.html

More rightwing propaganda.

Harding only cut taxes because taxes had been raised to pay for WWI, and WWI was over.

So THAT'S why you're known as NYLiar!


1." America’s greatest depression fighter was Warren Gamaliel Harding. An Ohio senator when he was elected president in 1920, he followed Woodrow Wilson who got America into World War I, ...Harding inherited the mess, in particular the post-World War I depression – almost as severe, from peak to trough, as the Great Contraction from 1929 to 1933, that FDR inherited and prolonged.

Richard K. Vedder and Lowell E. Gallaway, in their book Out of Work (1993), noted that the magnitude of the 1920 depression "exceeded that for the Great Depression of the following decade for several quarters." The estimated gross national product plunged 24% from $91.5 billion in 1920 to $69.6 billion in 1921. The number of unemployed people jumped from 2.1 million in 1920 to 4.9 million in 1921.

2. Compared to FDR, Harding had a much better understanding of how an economy works. Harding, wrote historian Robert K. Murray, in The Harding Era (1969), "always decried high taxes, government waste, and excessive governmental interference in the private sector of the economy. In February 1920, shortly after announcing his candidacy, he advocated a cut in government expenditures and stated that government ought to ‘strike the shackles from industry.’ ‘We need vastly more freedom than we do regulation,’ he said. Surprisingly, big business took very little notice of him at the time."

3. One of Harding’s campaign slogans was "less government in business," and it served him well. Harding embraced the advice of Treasury Secretary Andrew Mellon and called for tax cuts in his first message to Congress, April 12, 1921. The highest taxes, on corporate revenues and "excess" profits, were to be cut. Personal income taxes were to be left as is, with a top rate of 8% of incomes above $4,000. Harding recognized the crucial importance of encouraging investment essential for growth and jobs, something that FDR never did.

4. "Progressives" were astonishingly blind to Harding’s achievements. Newspaperman William Allen White called Harding "almost unbelievably ill-informed." Historian Allen wrote that Harding’s "mind was vague and fuzzy. Its quality was revealed in the clogged style of his public addresses, in his choice of turgid and maladroit language (‘non-involvement’ in European affairs)." Ironically, Allen wrote this in 1931, when the Great Depression had been going for two years. Harding had the depression of 1920 licked in a year and a half, but under the "progressive" FDR, the Great Depression would persisted throughout the 1930s, until FDR began conscripting millions of young men for the armed forces.

America’s Greatest Depression*Fighter by Jim Powell

http://archive.lewrockwell.com/orig4/powell-jim4.html

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/226645/not-so-great-depression/jim-powell

So why has Harding been rated as America's worst or near worst presidents since they began rating presidents back in 1948. And Harding's worst crime was not giving navy oil rights to Standard Oil but his incompetence. Harding was so bad that even Bush, rated fifth worst, doesn't outdo Harding.

 

[NYcarbineer]

"What peace dividend?"

The one Clinton lived on, and over spent....then claimed he had a surplus by.

He actually lies more than you do!!!!

I thought the rap on Clinton was that he 'decimated' the military.

Translation: Republicans didn't want a peace dividend. They wanted to keep overspending on the military, something they're promising to do if sadly one of them is elected president.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Good point but we already have a free ride (on federal income tax) for the bottom 49% of American earners and despite our existing debt and current deficit spending, JSmit insists we add free education and free health care.
BTW, I have no prob with gov't goodies as long as they are productive and we can afford them. As things stand, we can't even afford the freebies we now provide.

Raise taxes, cut spending, and grow the economy. All three must be done at the same time. When your government can't pay the bills that's what people with common sense do.

oks like there's hope for you.

BUT.....you should take a look at the best recession fighter in US history...Warren G. Harding.....

...he took a recession comparable to the one FDR fudged....and beat it in a year and a half.


Know how?
Cut government spending AND cut taxes big time.

That's because he was a Republican....

Not one of these:

But he did identify what he called “tactical lessons.” He let himself look too much like “the same old tax-and-spend liberal Democrat.” http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/17/magazine/17obama-t.html

More rightwing propaganda.

Harding only cut taxes because taxes had been raised to pay for WWI, and WWI was over.

So THAT'S why you're known as NYLiar!


1." America’s greatest depression fighter was Warren Gamaliel Harding. An Ohio senator when he was elected president in 1920, he followed Woodrow Wilson who got America into World War I, ...Harding inherited the mess, in particular the post-World War I depression – almost as severe, from peak to trough, as the Great Contraction from 1929 to 1933, that FDR inherited and prolonged.

Richard K. Vedder and Lowell E. Gallaway, in their book Out of Work (1993), noted that the magnitude of the 1920 depression "exceeded that for the Great Depression of the following decade for several quarters." The estimated gross national product plunged 24% from $91.5 billion in 1920 to $69.6 billion in 1921. The number of unemployed people jumped from 2.1 million in 1920 to 4.9 million in 1921.

2. Compared to FDR, Harding had a much better understanding of how an economy works. Harding, wrote historian Robert K. Murray, in The Harding Era (1969), "always decried high taxes, government waste, and excessive governmental interference in the private sector of the economy. In February 1920, shortly after announcing his candidacy, he advocated a cut in government expenditures and stated that government ought to ‘strike the shackles from industry.’ ‘We need vastly more freedom than we do regulation,’ he said. Surprisingly, big business took very little notice of him at the time."

3. One of Harding’s campaign slogans was "less government in business," and it served him well. Harding embraced the advice of Treasury Secretary Andrew Mellon and called for tax cuts in his first message to Congress, April 12, 1921. The highest taxes, on corporate revenues and "excess" profits, were to be cut. Personal income taxes were to be left as is, with a top rate of 8% of incomes above $4,000. Harding recognized the crucial importance of encouraging investment essential for growth and jobs, something that FDR never did.

4. "Progressives" were astonishingly blind to Harding’s achievements. Newspaperman William Allen White called Harding "almost unbelievably ill-informed." Historian Allen wrote that Harding’s "mind was vague and fuzzy. Its quality was revealed in the clogged style of his public addresses, in his choice of turgid and maladroit language (‘non-involvement’ in European affairs)." Ironically, Allen wrote this in 1931, when the Great Depression had been going for two years. Harding had the depression of 1920 licked in a year and a half, but under the "progressive" FDR, the Great Depression would persisted throughout the 1930s, until FDR began conscripting millions of young men for the armed forces.

America’s Greatest Depression*Fighter by Jim Powell

http://archive.lewrockwell.com/orig4/powell-jim4.html

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/226645/not-so-great-depression/jim-powell

So why has Harding been rated as America's worst or near worst presidents since they began rating presidents back in 1948. And Harding's worst crime was not giving navy oil rights to Standard Oil but his incompetence. Harding was so bad that even Bush, rated fifth worst, doesn't outdo Harding.

Try to understand that what she's referring to is a classic rightwing myth about Harding.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Nah ... at the moment you are just spend OPM leftists.
Currently, borrowed money is paying for the free lunch and last I looked the very definition of the term "conservative" is "pay (more or less) as we go."
Meanwhile, Comrade JSmit insists we add free education and free health care. He didn't mention if he would pay for it by raiding other programs, new taxes or more borrowed money.

Reagan escalated the Cold War and didn't pay for it. Bush Sr. started a war with Iraq and didn't pay for it. GW Bush invaded Afghanistan and Iraq, TWO wars, and didn't pay for either of them. In fact both Reagan and GW CUT taxes,

thus reducing revenues, while taking on those extraordinary expenses, aka wars.

That is how you bust your budget.

Liar....

Reagan did more than pay for it.....ten times more.

1. Under Reagan, the debt went up $1.7 trillion, from $900 billion to $2.6 trillion.
2. But….the national wealth went up $ 17 trillion
3. Reagan's near-trillion-dollar bulge in defense spending transformed the global balance of power in favor of capitalism. Spurring a stock-market, energy, venture-capital, real-estate and employment boom, the Reagan tax-rate cuts and other pro-enterprise policies added some $17 trillion to America's private-sector assets, dwarfing the trillion-dollar rise in public-sector deficits and creating 45 million net new jobs at rising wages and salaries.

George Gilder The Real Reagan Lesson for Romney-Ryan - WSJ


Reaganomics - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

You lie AGAIN. Reagan ADDED to the national debt. He didn't pay ANY of it down.

Stop lying.

Learn to read, NYLiar....

George Gilder The Real Reagan Lesson for Romney-Ryan - WSJ


Reaganomics - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

If Reagan paid for the spending of his presidency why did the national debt increase from 1980 to 1989?

NO irrelevant links. Explain your claim in your own words.

You've claimed that Reagan didn't any anything to the national debt. You're ignorant.

"You've claimed that Reagan didn't any (sic) anything to the national debt. You're ignorant."

I never said any such thing.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Good point but we already have a free ride (on federal income tax) for the bottom 49% of American earners and despite our existing debt and current deficit spending, JSmit insists we add free education and free health care.
BTW, I have no prob with gov't goodies as long as they are productive and we can afford them. As things stand, we can't even afford the freebies we now provide.

Raise taxes, cut spending, and grow the economy. All three must be done at the same time. When your government can't pay the bills that's what people with common sense do.

oks like there's hope for you.

BUT.....you should take a look at the best recession fighter in US history...Warren G. Harding.....

...he took a recession comparable to the one FDR fudged....and beat it in a year and a half.


Know how?
Cut government spending AND cut taxes big time.

That's because he was a Republican....

Not one of these:

But he did identify what he called “tactical lessons.” He let himself look too much like “the same old tax-and-spend liberal Democrat.” http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/17/magazine/17obama-t.html

More rightwing propaganda.

Harding only cut taxes because taxes had been raised to pay for WWI, and WWI was over.

So THAT'S why you're known as NYLiar!


1." America’s greatest depression fighter was Warren Gamaliel Harding. An Ohio senator when he was elected president in 1920, he followed Woodrow Wilson who got America into World War I, ...Harding inherited the mess, in particular the post-World War I depression – almost as severe, from peak to trough, as the Great Contraction from 1929 to 1933, that FDR inherited and prolonged.

Richard K. Vedder and Lowell E. Gallaway, in their book Out of Work (1993), noted that the magnitude of the 1920 depression "exceeded that for the Great Depression of the following decade for several quarters." The estimated gross national product plunged 24% from $91.5 billion in 1920 to $69.6 billion in 1921. The number of unemployed people jumped from 2.1 million in 1920 to 4.9 million in 1921.

2. Compared to FDR, Harding had a much better understanding of how an economy works. Harding, wrote historian Robert K. Murray, in The Harding Era (1969), "always decried high taxes, government waste, and excessive governmental interference in the private sector of the economy. In February 1920, shortly after announcing his candidacy, he advocated a cut in government expenditures and stated that government ought to ‘strike the shackles from industry.’ ‘We need vastly more freedom than we do regulation,’ he said. Surprisingly, big business took very little notice of him at the time."

3. One of Harding’s campaign slogans was "less government in business," and it served him well. Harding embraced the advice of Treasury Secretary Andrew Mellon and called for tax cuts in his first message to Congress, April 12, 1921. The highest taxes, on corporate revenues and "excess" profits, were to be cut. Personal income taxes were to be left as is, with a top rate of 8% of incomes above $4,000. Harding recognized the crucial importance of encouraging investment essential for growth and jobs, something that FDR never did.

4. "Progressives" were astonishingly blind to Harding’s achievements. Newspaperman William Allen White called Harding "almost unbelievably ill-informed." Historian Allen wrote that Harding’s "mind was vague and fuzzy. Its quality was revealed in the clogged style of his public addresses, in his choice of turgid and maladroit language (‘non-involvement’ in European affairs)." Ironically, Allen wrote this in 1931, when the Great Depression had been going for two years. Harding had the depression of 1920 licked in a year and a half, but under the "progressive" FDR, the Great Depression would persisted throughout the 1930s, until FDR began conscripting millions of young men for the armed forces.

America’s Greatest Depression*Fighter by Jim Powell

http://archive.lewrockwell.com/orig4/powell-jim4.html

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/226645/not-so-great-depression/jim-powell

So why has Harding been rated as America's worst or near worst presidents since they began rating presidents back in 1948. And Harding's worst crime was not giving navy oil rights to Standard Oil but his incompetence. Harding was so bad that even Bush, rated fifth worst, doesn't outdo Harding.

1. Harding was the greatest recession fighter.
It was proven.

2. FDR was a failure in that endeavor....and you're attempting to hide that fact....usual for you.

3.Answer to your query.....Teapot Dome....unrelated to the issue in question.


Now back under your rock.

 

[koshergrl]

"What peace dividend?"

The one Clinton lived on, and over spent....then claimed he had a surplus by.

He actually lies more than you do!!!!

I wouldn't bet on it...

 

[NYcarbineer]

Raise taxes, cut spending, and grow the economy. All three must be done at the same time. When your government can't pay the bills that's what people with common sense do.

oks like there's hope for you.

BUT.....you should take a look at the best recession fighter in US history...Warren G. Harding.....

...he took a recession comparable to the one FDR fudged....and beat it in a year and a half.


Know how?
Cut government spending AND cut taxes big time.

That's because he was a Republican....

Not one of these:

But he did identify what he called “tactical lessons.” He let himself look too much like “the same old tax-and-spend liberal Democrat.” http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/17/magazine/17obama-t.html

More rightwing propaganda.

Harding only cut taxes because taxes had been raised to pay for WWI, and WWI was over.

So THAT'S why you're known as NYLiar!


1." America’s greatest depression fighter was Warren Gamaliel Harding. An Ohio senator when he was elected president in 1920, he followed Woodrow Wilson who got America into World War I, ...Harding inherited the mess, in particular the post-World War I depression – almost as severe, from peak to trough, as the Great Contraction from 1929 to 1933, that FDR inherited and prolonged.

Richard K. Vedder and Lowell E. Gallaway, in their book Out of Work (1993), noted that the magnitude of the 1920 depression "exceeded that for the Great Depression of the following decade for several quarters." The estimated gross national product plunged 24% from $91.5 billion in 1920 to $69.6 billion in 1921. The number of unemployed people jumped from 2.1 million in 1920 to 4.9 million in 1921.

2. Compared to FDR, Harding had a much better understanding of how an economy works. Harding, wrote historian Robert K. Murray, in The Harding Era (1969), "always decried high taxes, government waste, and excessive governmental interference in the private sector of the economy. In February 1920, shortly after announcing his candidacy, he advocated a cut in government expenditures and stated that government ought to ‘strike the shackles from industry.’ ‘We need vastly more freedom than we do regulation,’ he said. Surprisingly, big business took very little notice of him at the time."

3. One of Harding’s campaign slogans was "less government in business," and it served him well. Harding embraced the advice of Treasury Secretary Andrew Mellon and called for tax cuts in his first message to Congress, April 12, 1921. The highest taxes, on corporate revenues and "excess" profits, were to be cut. Personal income taxes were to be left as is, with a top rate of 8% of incomes above $4,000. Harding recognized the crucial importance of encouraging investment essential for growth and jobs, something that FDR never did.

4. "Progressives" were astonishingly blind to Harding’s achievements. Newspaperman William Allen White called Harding "almost unbelievably ill-informed." Historian Allen wrote that Harding’s "mind was vague and fuzzy. Its quality was revealed in the clogged style of his public addresses, in his choice of turgid and maladroit language (‘non-involvement’ in European affairs)." Ironically, Allen wrote this in 1931, when the Great Depression had been going for two years. Harding had the depression of 1920 licked in a year and a half, but under the "progressive" FDR, the Great Depression would persisted throughout the 1930s, until FDR began conscripting millions of young men for the armed forces.

America’s Greatest Depression*Fighter by Jim Powell

http://archive.lewrockwell.com/orig4/powell-jim4.html

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/226645/not-so-great-depression/jim-powell

So why has Harding been rated as America's worst or near worst presidents since they began rating presidents back in 1948. And Harding's worst crime was not giving navy oil rights to Standard Oil but his incompetence. Harding was so bad that even Bush, rated fifth worst, doesn't outdo Harding.

1. Harding was the greatest recession fighter.
It was proven.

2. FDR was a failure in that endeavor....and you're attempting to hide that fact....usual for you.

3.Answer to your query.....Teapot Dome....unrelated to the issue in question.


Now back under your rock.

Bullshit. We had a recession of more than a year during Harding's presidency:

1923 – 24 recession May 1923 – June 1924 1 year, 2 months 2 years From the depression of 1920–21 until the Great Depression, an era dubbed the Roaring Twenties, the economy was generally expanding. Industrial production declined in 1923–24, but on the whole this was a mild recession. - See more at: A Long History of Recessions The Business Owner

 

[NYcarbineer]

Reagan escalated the Cold War and didn't pay for it. Bush Sr. started a war with Iraq and didn't pay for it. GW Bush invaded Afghanistan and Iraq, TWO wars, and didn't pay for either of them. In fact both Reagan and GW CUT taxes,

thus reducing revenues, while taking on those extraordinary expenses, aka wars.

That is how you bust your budget.

Liar....

Reagan did more than pay for it.....ten times more.

1. Under Reagan, the debt went up $1.7 trillion, from $900 billion to $2.6 trillion.
2. But….the national wealth went up $ 17 trillion
3. Reagan's near-trillion-dollar bulge in defense spending transformed the global balance of power in favor of capitalism. Spurring a stock-market, energy, venture-capital, real-estate and employment boom, the Reagan tax-rate cuts and other pro-enterprise policies added some $17 trillion to America's private-sector assets, dwarfing the trillion-dollar rise in public-sector deficits and creating 45 million net new jobs at rising wages and salaries.

George Gilder The Real Reagan Lesson for Romney-Ryan - WSJ


Reaganomics - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

You lie AGAIN. Reagan ADDED to the national debt. He didn't pay ANY of it down.

Stop lying.

Learn to read, NYLiar....

George Gilder The Real Reagan Lesson for Romney-Ryan - WSJ


Reaganomics - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

If Reagan paid for the spending of his presidency why did the national debt increase from 1980 to 1989?

NO irrelevant links. Explain your claim in your own words.

You've claimed that Reagan didn't any anything to the national debt. You're ignorant.

"You've claimed that Reagan didn't any (sic) anything to the national debt. You're ignorant."

I never said any such thing.

Yes, actually you did:

"Reagan did more than pay for it.....ten times more."

...referring to the cost of escalating the Cold War.