Liberal Logic

[Delldude]

Not to mention that you’re behaving as though 4.1% unemployment isn’t really good.

Dude, you're the one splitting hairs here.

Still butt hurt from your reaming yesterday?

 

[Delldude]

it’s pretty dishonest to compare three years against one month.

Like, total bullshit.

It was January to December, wanna try another lie?

Cry on.

 

[Marener]

Dude, you're the one splitting hairs here.

Still butt hurt from your reaming yesterday?

What do you mean? I’m the one saying that both Trump and Biden had good unemployment numbers. They’re pretty similar and good.

You’re the ones making giant accusations based on a labor statistic revision that happens every year and is not really significant.

 

[Delldude]

What do you mean? I’m the one saying that both Trump and Biden had good unemployment numbers. They’re pretty similar and good.

You’re the ones making giant accusations based on a labor statistic revision that happens every year and is not really significant.

Why do you keep changing your stance?

 

[Marener]

Why do you keep changing your stance?

You seem confused. I haven’t changed anything.

 

[Delldude]

You seem confused. I haven’t changed anything.

You should do stand up..................no one would stand for it.

 

[Marener]

You should do stand up..................no one would stand for it.

Man, you guys really are on a timer. You can only have a discussion so long before you devolve into nonsense.

 

[Delldude]

Man, you guys really are on a timer. You can only have a discussion so long before you devolve into nonsense.

Dude you went there many many posts ago. Tout false facts, lie about it.......get a grip.

 

[LibertyKid]

I see it differently. MAGA rejects data and embraces feelings.

First, one doesn't have to be maga to reject data.
Scientific data says there are two biological sexes. Yet, the left says, my feelings say a man can be a woman and vice versa. So who's rejecting the actual data?

Unemployment is down, but MAGA says it doesnt “feel like it’s down”.

It's down because we had mass unemployment because of Covid. The gov't paid people to not work. Of course it's going to go down when people are forced back to work.

Inflation is down, but MAGA says it doesn’t “feel like it’s down”.

Literally, the above. Mass inflation due to Biden's extreme overspending. Inflation HAS to go down. No one in their right mind will deny that inflation is going down, but only because we had record highs under Biden.

Violent crime is down but MAGA says it doesn’t “feel like it’s down.

Bull Shit. Site one reliable source saying that?

 

[Marener]

First, one doesn't have to be maga to reject data.
Scientific data says there are two biological sexes. Yet, the left says, my feelings say a man can be a woman and vice versa. So who's rejecting the actual data?

No one is denying biology. We are saying gender is a sociological construct, and sex is biological. Oddly enough, both can exist on a spectrum. People can be born with ambiguous anatomy or can be born phenotypically female despite being genetically male. No one is denying that.

It's down because we had mass unemployment because of Covid. The gov't paid people to not work. Of course it's going to go down when people are forced back to work.

Right. But didn’t COVID also result in widespread loss of businesses? The fact that it bounced back to pre pandemic levels within a year or two never was a guarantee. Not to mention the economy had headwinds in the form of high inflation and high interest rates.

Literally, the above. Mass inflation due to Biden's extreme overspending. Inflation HAS to go down. No one in their right mind will deny that inflation is going down, but only because we had record highs under Biden.

Inflation occurred as a result of many factors, of which spending under the Biden administration was but one. Equally important was Trump’s extreme overspending. Most important was monetary policy the president doesn’t control.

Inflation came down because of monetary policy mostly. It didn’t HAVE to come down. The minor miracle that it did come down without causing a recession. For a while there, those that predicted a soft landing were derided.

Bull Shit. Site one reliable source saying that?

Crime Stats Still Show a Decline Since 2020 - FactCheck.org

Crime statistics compiled by the FBI and other sources show an increase in violent crime, notably murders, in 2020 and a decline since. A revision to the FBI data this year doesn't change that overall trend, despite claims made on social media and by the Trump campaign to the contrary.

www.factcheck.org

I hope your definition of a reliable source isn’t just one that says what you want.

 

[Delldude]

Crime Stats Still Show a Decline Since 2020 - FactCheck.org

Crime statistics compiled by the FBI and other sources show an increase in violent crime, notably murders, in 2020 and a decline since. A revision to the FBI data this year doesn't change that overall trend, despite claims made on social media and by the Trump campaign to the contrary.

www.factcheck.org

Still posting your bogus crime stats, I see.

 

[Marener]

Crime Stats Still Show a Decline Since 2020 - FactCheck.org

Crime statistics compiled by the FBI and other sources show an increase in violent crime, notably murders, in 2020 and a decline since. A revision to the FBI data this year doesn't change that overall trend, despite claims made on social media and by the Trump campaign to the contrary.

www.factcheck.org

Still posting your bogus crime stats, I see.

Anything you don’t want to believe is bogus to you.

That’s because you operate off feelings and not facts.

 

[SeaMajor7]

Anything you don’t want to believe is bogus to you.

That’s because you operate off feelings and not facts.

IRONY

 

[LibertyKid]

No one is denying biology. We are saying gender is a sociological construct, and sex is biological. Oddly enough, both can exist on a spectrum.

No, there is no spectrum for biological sex other than intersex (see below)
Gender presentation can be a social construct, and for millenia, we have seen homosexuals cross those gender boundaries, and no one cared (except for the true bigots and idiots).

However, today, the far left want to force everyone else to conform and accept the idea of trans as some new fact, biological or not.

What does the data say. The % of the population that are Trans, is tiny, yet, the expectation is the majority must accept this new idea or be a bigot or labeled as trans-phobic. This is illogical.

Trans must accept that out of the number of people in the U.S. and the world, not everyone will accept the idea that a man can be a woman or a woman can be a man. There are number of reasons why the majority of people will not accept it, whether it be biological, spiritual, moral code, or because they are just assholes. However, not accepting it, doesn't mean a trans person can't be trans. I don't care what an adult wants to do to their bodies or how they want to present. I will respect how they want to be referred to. But if you ask me, is a trans female a female, no, they are not.

People can be born with ambiguous anatomy or can be born phenotypically female despite being genetically male. No one is denying that.

Intersexed at birth, statistically, is rare, and can't be used to compel reason or used to persuade today's narrative.

Right. But didn’t COVID also result in widespread loss of businesses? The fact that it bounced back to pre pandemic levels within a year or two never was a guarantee. Not to mention the economy had headwinds in the form of high inflation and high interest rates.

So you agree, the only direction was for it to get better?

inflation occurred as a result of many factors, of which spending under the Biden administration was but one. Equally important was Trump’s extreme overspending. Most important was monetary policy the president doesn’t control.

Inflation came down because of monetary policy mostly. It didn’t HAVE to come down. The minor miracle that it did come down without causing a recession. For a while there, those that predicted a soft landing were derided.

So you agree, there really wasn't anywhere else for inlfation to go but down. It could have gone up still, but no one is denying that finaltion isn't going down. So show me a reliable source where 'Maga' is denying it?

Crime Stats Still Show a Decline Since 2020 - FactCheck.org

Crime statistics compiled by the FBI and other sources show an increase in violent crime, notably murders, in 2020 and a decline since. A revision to the FBI data this year doesn't change that overall trend, despite claims made on social media and by the Trump campaign to the contrary.

www.factcheck.org

I hope your definition of a reliable source isn’t just one that says what you want.

So you're claim is "Maga". Define Maga? Everyone that voted for Trump? Are you referring to Trump only or conservative politicians when you say Maga?

Your article says that Trump is stating that the data is wrong. If you say Maga, you're loosely and broadly defining a subject group. Trump and a few republicans denied it. Stating Maga is falsely blanketing a lot more people in your claim. That is illogical and creating a false premise.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

IRONY

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Or lies.

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[Marener]

Intersexed at birth, statistically, is rare, and can't be used to compel reason or used to persuade today's narrative.

So is the percent of people who are trans. If one is insignificant than both are.

Sex is biological. No one is asking you to deny biology.

So you agree, the only direction was for it to get better?

Nope. It could have stuck at 6%. It could have gone up had we entered a serious recession as many of our peers have done in the OECD. Nothing is guaranteed.

So you agree, there really wasn't anywhere else for inlfation to go but down. It could have gone up still, but no one is denying that finaltion isn't going down. So show me a reliable source where 'Maga' is denying it?

Nope. It could have stayed at 6-7%. It could have fallen to 3% and shot up again if the president had engaged in ill advised policies. Nothing is guaranteed.

Americans as a whole, but especially Republicans, have erroneous beliefs about the economy.

A majority of Americans polled believe the economy is in a recession — but it isn't

Inflation and politics appear to be driving the disconnect between Americans' view on the broader economy and reality.

www.businessinsider.com

So your claim is "Maga". Define Maga? Everyone that voted for Trump? Are you referring to Trump only or conservative politicians when you say Maga?

Your article says that Trump is stating that the data is wrong. If you say Maga, you're loosely and broadly defining a subject group. Trump and a few republicans denied it. Stating Maga is falsely blanketing a lot more people in your claim. That is illogical and creating a false premise.

False beliefs about the economy are held widely among Trump supporters. I can’t give you a defined group, only to point out that these trends are consistent with polling data.

 

[Delldude]

That’s because you operate off feelings and not facts.

LoL....... isn't that where you started yesterday?

You do know your fact check doesn't include those cities another poster cited as missing, don't you?

You realize also those 'facts' you are using were published before Kamala's tragic loss and used in her campaign?

My my..... that's interesting.

 

[LibertyKid]

So is the percent of people who are trans. If one is insignificant than both are.

Exactly. Neither are significant enough to try and promote GAC to children and promote many of the ideas espoused and force the majority accept what they don't have to accept, on ANY level.

Sex is biological. No one is asking you to deny biology.

Um.. Yes there are those stating otherwise or trying blur those line. I'm glad that you're admitting that biological sex is very binary. But there many, over the last decade that have for some reason tried to change this fact.

Sex isn't binary, and we should stop acting like it is

It's time for legislation and education to reflect sex as a spectrum with unlimited options

massivesci.com

The Myth Of Biological Sex

From the Supreme Court to J.K. Rowling, the topic of biological sex is seemingly everywhere. But biological sex is fraught with complexity, and there’s no one parameter that makes a person biologically male or female.

www.forbes.com

One can scour "teh interwebs" looking for article after article trying to blend and blur the meaning behind biological sex, and using intersex or other abnormalities as evidence that our idea of biological sex should be reconsidered.

Nope. It could have stuck at 6%. It could have gone up had we entered a serious recession as many of our peers have done in the OECD. Nothing is guaranteed.

Nope. It could have stayed at 6-7%. It could have fallen to 3% and shot up again if the president had engaged in ill advised policies. Nothing is guaranteed.

Americans as a whole, but especially Republicans, have erroneous beliefs about the economy.

The same can be said for the other side. Many democrats and the MSM have painted the first term of Trump as some travesty, when in fact, his first term, from a policy standpoint, economics, foreign affairs, had this country going down the right path. Then comes Covid, which for some reason, most liberals on this board try to paint Trump as the sole reason the pandemic did what it did. The honest question is this, could ANY president have made all the right choices on how to handle Covid. Most reasonable people would say, no. There was no magic wand that could have been waived that would have prevented all the deaths, crashed the economy and many of the vast problems covid created. If one thinks that a democrat POTUS would have made all the right moves I would ask how does the kool-aid taste.

False beliefs about the economy are held widely among Trump supporters. I can’t give you a defined group, only to point out that these trends are consistent with polling data.

Ditto can be said for libs too. Trump is a nazi, fascist, dictator, warmonger, racist, are all the truths held by the left. Oh, Trump inherited Obama's economy, then Biden inherited Trumps, now Trump inherited Biden's. Wash, rinse, repeat.

 

[Marener]

Exactly. Neither are significant enough to try and promote GAC to children and promote many of the ideas espoused and force the majority accept what they don't have to accept, on ANY level.

Not sure what GAC is, but acceptance of people existing seems like a good idea for kids.

The same can be said for the other side. Many democrats and the MSM have painted the first term of Trump as some travesty, when in fact, his first term, from a policy standpoint, economics, foreign affairs, had this country going down the right path. Then comes Covid, which for some reason, most liberals on this board try to paint Trump as the sole reason the pandemic did what it did. The honest question is this, could ANY president have made all the right choices on how to handle Covid. Most reasonable people would say, no. There was no magic wand that could have been waived that would have prevented all the deaths, crashed the economy and many of the vast problems covid created. If one thinks that a democrat POTUS would have made all the right moves I would ask how does the kool-aid taste.

I don’t fault Trump much for specific actions taken during COVID, but his leadership was clearly lacking. His messaging needed to be clear and consistent, but he was definitely more interested in protecting his reelection chances than helping the country. This resulted in something of a disaster, as his messaging led to widespread distrust of government institutions and directly causes a lot of unnecessary death.

As for his policies, we were fortunate that he largely didn’t pursue much of the policies he said he intended, such as massive tariffs and deportations. What he did enact was economically a little dodgy as the economy was teetering on a recession in 2019. We definitely didn’t see any economic miracles during his presidency.

The worst of Trump’s presidency came at the election when he attacked our instructions for personal gain.

Ditto can be said for libs too. Trump is a nazi, fascist, dictator, warmonger, racist, are all the truths held by the left. Oh, Trump inherited Obama's economy, then Biden inherited Trumps, now Trump inherited Biden's. Wash, rinse, repeat.

It’s a fact that each president inherits the economic situation from the previous president. Things don’t just reset every 4 years. I don’t see Dems often creating fanciful conspiracy theories and refusing to believe reliable government institutions simply because it isn’t convenient.

The sheer quantity of conspiracy theories that come along with Trump’s followers is just astounding and ultimately demonstrating how unhealthy our nation is.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

No, it's called fact. Who else is whining about anti-white victimhood and the feminization of America?

MAGA white males. It's why you guys try making an overweight, spray tan colored, rich spoiled ***** with a comb over into Superman.

You. You are the only one. Usually in the context of blaming others. Like you are doing now.