Libby, and the Neo Cons, are set free!

[flacaltenn]

I've been waiting for a non-interventionalist candidate to win the republicans primaries since the end of the Cold War.

You're gonna wait a long time and if it happens, it will be by accident if you don't start voting on principles and not just "to win". LParty has been right on the MidEast, fiscal sanity, Civil Liberties protections, even revising provisions of the Drug War and TOLERANCE for those who choose to live differently.

America is finally realizing we ARE a viable PRINCIPLED alternative. And many Independents are gonna run the same way...

 

[Correll]

Yet you are upset that an innocent man was pardoned.


That seems pretty callous of you.

An innocent man? The evidence is he was not innocent, he was convicted of the crime of Perjury. A felony! Thus you've echoed a lie, which is now going all over the Internet with no substantive evidence to make such a claim.

He mis-remembered something well after the fact.


That he was convicted of a crime based on that, is a massive injustice.

He lied, he's trained as a lawyer - don't continue the Big Lie it makes you look more foolish than even I know you to be!

It's telling that you have not posted the lie, that was so damning that you want him to serve time for it.


He was sentenced to 30 MONTHS in prison for this terrible lie.

As I've said before, don't post on matters you've not researched and know nothing about:

Libby was indicted by a federal grand jury on five felony counts of making false statements to federal investigators, perjury for lying to a federal grand jury, and obstruction of justice for impeding the course of a federal grand jury investigation concerned with the possibly illegal leaking by government officials of the classified identity of a covert agent of the CIA, Valerie Plame Wilson, the wife of former Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV.

Pursuant to the grand jury leak investigation, Libby was convicted on March 6, 2007, on four counts of perjury, obstruction of justice, and making false statements. He was acquitted of one count of making false statements.

United States v. Libby - Wikipedia

Happy now?

Wow. There is nothing in that post that references what that oh so terrible lie WAS.


And yet you seem to think that there was. Very strange.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Libby was convicted of Perjury, as a lawyer he knew the consequences and made a conscious choice. Even President G. W. Bush refused to pardon him.

But GW DID commute his sentence. Because it was simple partisan vindictiveness and excessive.

With all due respect, BULLSHIT. Read the link above and answer these questions:

Do you believe in the rule of law and American Jurisprudence?

Do you support the President of the United States who rallied his supporters into chanting, "lock her up" as someone who supports the Moral Imperative of our nation," Innocent until Proved Guilty"?

 

[Correll]

I've been waiting for a non-interventionalist candidate to win the republicans primaries since the end of the Cold War.

You're gonna wait a long time and if it happens, it will be by accident if you don't start voting on principles and not just "to win". LParty has been right on the MidEast, fiscal sanity, Civil Liberties protections, even revising provisions of the Drug War and TOLERANCE for those who choose to live differently.

America is finally realizing we ARE a viable PRINCIPLED alternative. And many Independents are gonna run the same way...

Trump, the candidate, was quite non interventionalists. Other than committing to destroying ISIS.

 

[Wry Catcher]

An innocent man? The evidence is he was not innocent, he was convicted of the crime of Perjury. A felony! Thus you've echoed a lie, which is now going all over the Internet with no substantive evidence to make such a claim.

He mis-remembered something well after the fact.


That he was convicted of a crime based on that, is a massive injustice.

He lied, he's trained as a lawyer - don't continue the Big Lie it makes you look more foolish than even I know you to be!

It's telling that you have not posted the lie, that was so damning that you want him to serve time for it.


He was sentenced to 30 MONTHS in prison for this terrible lie.

As I've said before, don't post on matters you've not researched and know nothing about:

Libby was indicted by a federal grand jury on five felony counts of making false statements to federal investigators, perjury for lying to a federal grand jury, and obstruction of justice for impeding the course of a federal grand jury investigation concerned with the possibly illegal leaking by government officials of the classified identity of a covert agent of the CIA, Valerie Plame Wilson, the wife of former Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV.

Pursuant to the grand jury leak investigation, Libby was convicted on March 6, 2007, on four counts of perjury, obstruction of justice, and making false statements. He was acquitted of one count of making false statements.

United States v. Libby - Wikipedia

Happy now?

Wow. There is nothing in that post that references what that oh so terrible lie WAS.


And yet you seem to think that there was. Very strange.

I'm now beginning to question your sanity.

 

[flacaltenn]

Yet you are upset that an innocent man was pardoned.


That seems pretty callous of you.

An innocent man? The evidence is he was not innocent, he was convicted of the crime of Perjury. A felony! Thus you've echoed a lie, which is now going all over the Internet with no substantive evidence to make such a claim.

He mis-remembered something well after the fact.


That he was convicted of a crime based on that, is a massive injustice.

He lied, he's trained as a lawyer - don't continue the Big Lie it makes you look more foolish than even I know you to be!

It's telling that you have not posted the lie, that was so damning that you want him to serve time for it.


He was sentenced to 30 MONTHS in prison for this terrible lie.

As I've said before, don't post on matters you've not researched and know nothing about:

Libby was indicted by a federal grand jury on five felony counts of making false statements to federal investigators, perjury for lying to a federal grand jury, and obstruction of justice for impeding the course of a federal grand jury investigation concerned with the possibly illegal leaking by government officials of the classified identity of a covert agent of the CIA, Valerie Plame Wilson, the wife of former Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV.

Pursuant to the grand jury leak investigation, Libby was convicted on March 6, 2007, on four counts of perjury, obstruction of justice, and making false statements. He was acquitted of one count of making false statements.

United States v. Libby - Wikipedia

Happy now?

He did nothing to compromise Valery Plame. In fact, the guy who DID -- never got called by the Grand Jury..

The Meaning of the Armitage Leak in the Plame Case

Armitage called his boss and long-time friend, Secretary of State Colin Powell, and acknowledged he was Novak’s source. Powell, Armitage and William Taft IV, the State Department’s top lawyer, frantically conferred about what to do. As Taft told us (on the record), “We decided we were going to tell [the investigators] what we thought had happened.” Taft notified the criminal division of the Justice Department–which was then handling the investigation–and FBI agents interviewed Armitage the next day. In that interview, Armitage admitted he had told Novak about Wilson’s wife and her employment at the CIA. The Newsweek piece lays all this out.

 

[Correll]

He mis-remembered something well after the fact.


That he was convicted of a crime based on that, is a massive injustice.

He lied, he's trained as a lawyer - don't continue the Big Lie it makes you look more foolish than even I know you to be!

It's telling that you have not posted the lie, that was so damning that you want him to serve time for it.


He was sentenced to 30 MONTHS in prison for this terrible lie.

As I've said before, don't post on matters you've not researched and know nothing about:

Libby was indicted by a federal grand jury on five felony counts of making false statements to federal investigators, perjury for lying to a federal grand jury, and obstruction of justice for impeding the course of a federal grand jury investigation concerned with the possibly illegal leaking by government officials of the classified identity of a covert agent of the CIA, Valerie Plame Wilson, the wife of former Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV.

Pursuant to the grand jury leak investigation, Libby was convicted on March 6, 2007, on four counts of perjury, obstruction of justice, and making false statements. He was acquitted of one count of making false statements.

United States v. Libby - Wikipedia

Happy now?

Wow. There is nothing in that post that references what that oh so terrible lie WAS.


And yet you seem to think that there was. Very strange.

I'm now beginning to question your sanity.

I asked what the lie was. You gave me a list of the crimes that LIbby was charged with.


You are the one acting insane, if you think that was an answer to my question.

 

[Correll]

An innocent man? The evidence is he was not innocent, he was convicted of the crime of Perjury. A felony! Thus you've echoed a lie, which is now going all over the Internet with no substantive evidence to make such a claim.

He mis-remembered something well after the fact.


That he was convicted of a crime based on that, is a massive injustice.

He lied, he's trained as a lawyer - don't continue the Big Lie it makes you look more foolish than even I know you to be!

It's telling that you have not posted the lie, that was so damning that you want him to serve time for it.


He was sentenced to 30 MONTHS in prison for this terrible lie.

As I've said before, don't post on matters you've not researched and know nothing about:

Libby was indicted by a federal grand jury on five felony counts of making false statements to federal investigators, perjury for lying to a federal grand jury, and obstruction of justice for impeding the course of a federal grand jury investigation concerned with the possibly illegal leaking by government officials of the classified identity of a covert agent of the CIA, Valerie Plame Wilson, the wife of former Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV.

Pursuant to the grand jury leak investigation, Libby was convicted on March 6, 2007, on four counts of perjury, obstruction of justice, and making false statements. He was acquitted of one count of making false statements.

United States v. Libby - Wikipedia

Happy now?

He did nothing to compromise Valery Plame. In fact, the guy who DID -- never got called by the Grand Jury..

The Meaning of the Armitage Leak in the Plame Case

Armitage called his boss and long-time friend, Secretary of State Colin Powell, and acknowledged he was Novak’s source. Powell, Armitage and William Taft IV, the State Department’s top lawyer, frantically conferred about what to do. As Taft told us (on the record), “We decided we were going to tell [the investigators] what we thought had happened.” Taft notified the criminal division of the Justice Department–which was then handling the investigation–and FBI agents interviewed Armitage the next day. In that interview, Armitage admitted he had told Novak about Wilson’s wife and her employment at the CIA. The Newsweek piece lays all this out.

And that is why he was not convicted of anything relating to revealing the identify of a spy.


Because he didn't.

 

[flacaltenn]

In fact, Spec. Counsel Fitzpatrick KNEW the source of the Plame leak and NEVER wrote much about it in his report. THIS is the misconduct of justice that YOU EXPECT from witch hunts and special counsels if you're not a raving partisan idiot..
'

 

[EGR one]

Q. Why do I post

A. Because I believe in the rule of law, and all of that I professed in the post above.

I've coined the phrase Callous Conservative to define what I see as the creed of the Republican Party, a party whose job number one is power. A political party which puts the Party First and claims ownership of an ideology which is neither pragmatic nor democratic.

No, you do not believe in the rule of law, except when the law favors your cause. The United States Constitution is the core of the rule of law, and since you believe it means whatever five justices want it to mean, your concept of the rule of law is hypocrisy.

 

[Darkwind]

Libby pardoned - Twitter Search

Your chance to tweet your response, here's mine:

Trump has resurrected the Neo-Con Movement, expect a war of choice once Pompeo is confirmed.

You keep proving you are a far left drone!

How do you know I'm not a RINO? Or, a Socialist? Or an Iconoclast? A Commie? A fascist? A racist? A misogynist? An ignorant fool whose desperate for attention?

The fact is I'm a liberal Democrat and a fiscally responsible one.

That is, I believe in equal rights for all citizens and equal opportunity for all citizens. I believe the Social Contract is one tacitly accepted by all who enjoy the benefits of liberty we all enjoy (sadly, some have more liberty than others).

I believe the law is a living thing, and that includes COTUS. And yes, I've had ConLaw, and thus I understand the hypocrisy of those who claim it is not.

I was raised and confirmed Catholic, and yet do not practice nor have I raised my kids in any organized religion. The Golden Rule is my creed, but I will not be bullied and give what I get from those self proclaimed conservatives; a collection of iconoclasts, curmudgeons and those barely literate, filled with hate and fearful of Minorities and ideas which do not comport with these emotions long held.

The only thing this little diatribe has done is shown us the depth to which you lie to yourself about those with whom you disagree.

 

[EGR one]

Libby was convicted of Perjury, as a lawyer he knew the consequences and made a conscious choice. Even President G. W. Bush refused to pardon him.

But GW DID commute his sentence. Because it was simple partisan vindictiveness and excessive.

With all due respect, BULLSHIT. Read the link above and answer these questions:

Do you believe in the rule of law and American Jurisprudence?

Do you support the President of the United States who rallied his supporters into chanting, "lock her up" as someone who supports the Moral Imperative of our nation," Innocent until Proved Guilty"?

That moral imperative of yours doesn't seem to apply to Trump. Perhaps you have it reserved for progressive democrats?

 

[flacaltenn]

Libby was convicted of Perjury, as a lawyer he knew the consequences and made a conscious choice. Even President G. W. Bush refused to pardon him.

But GW DID commute his sentence. Because it was simple partisan vindictiveness and excessive.

With all due respect, BULLSHIT. Read the link above and answer these questions:

Do you believe in the rule of law and American Jurisprudence?

Do you support the President of the United States who rallied his supporters into chanting, "lock her up" as someone who supports the Moral Imperative of our nation," Innocent until Proved Guilty"?

Process crimes gotten from partisan tribunals on NON MATERIAL "crimes" don't ever compare to ACTUAL crimes. The whole PROCESS of special counsel needs to be revised so that ALL PROCESS CRIMES are REFERRED back to DOJ without indictments.

And Hillary SHOULD have been punished by firing, demoting her, yanking her courtesy clearances and clawing back some back pay and benefits. That's would have happened IF I DID THOSE THINGS, and I was never IN CHARGE of the State Dept.

And -- if she had actually been put under OATH by a REAL objective FBI interview team -- it's likely SHE would be facing MANY process crimes for being snide and deflecting the truth.

But she NEVER WAS "put under oath" in her OWN INVESTIGATION..;.

Don't you dare talk to me about "the rule of law" you useless partisan scumbag...

 

[asaratis]

Libby pardoned - Twitter Search

Your chance to tweet your response, here's mine:

Trump has resurrected the Neo-Con Movement, expect a war of choice once Pompeo is confirmed.

Really? What was Libby convicted of? Did it have ANYTHING to do with Iraq? No -- it did not.. This is just the worse example of partisan bickering and spin..

Libby was convicted of Perjury, as a lawyer he knew the consequences and made a conscious choice. Even President G. W. Bush refused to pardon him.

BTW, IMO Trump only does something for someone if he feels it benefits him, and this pardon may have been his way of giving comfort to those already indicted, those already convicted or plead guilty and anyone else who is in jeopardy of Prison that help is on the way.

Am I a partisan? You bet. The Republican Party is the party of the rich and of Global Corporations. It does not represent me, my sons or my grandchildren. And I'm not poor, in fact my income is more than 2 & 1/2 times that of mean, I own property and have liquid investments of seven figures, so the claim I want free stuff paid for by the government and people like me is utter bullshit.

Libby, Wolfowitz, Rice, Rumsfeld, Cheney and Bush II sent too many into harms ways in Iraq by using fear and hate mongering. They pretend to be Christians but act like vandals. The raid tax payer money for their benefit and seek to destroy SS, SSI, Medicaid, Medicare while rewarding global corporations with tax cuts, corporations which already keep Billions of taxable profits overseas.

Walking North of Georgetown, Grand Cayman, my wife and I walked past a two story, run down, apt building, with well established global firms listed on the mail box. Republicans are liars, corrupt to the corp and complicit in this activity, and benefit from their silence by being funded in their elections.

You lie so well you should be a Hollywood actor.

 

[DrLove]

He lied, he's trained as a lawyer - don't continue the Big Lie it makes you look more foolish than even I know you to be!

Careful of the "lawyer" label thing - As SNL pointed out last night?

He's Lawyer-ISH

And as the line from a gangster movie went ...

You don't need a criminal lawyer -- You need a CRIMINAL lawyer!

 

[Wry Catcher]

He lied, he's trained as a lawyer - don't continue the Big Lie it makes you look more foolish than even I know you to be!

It's telling that you have not posted the lie, that was so damning that you want him to serve time for it.


He was sentenced to 30 MONTHS in prison for this terrible lie.

As I've said before, don't post on matters you've not researched and know nothing about:

Libby was indicted by a federal grand jury on five felony counts of making false statements to federal investigators, perjury for lying to a federal grand jury, and obstruction of justice for impeding the course of a federal grand jury investigation concerned with the possibly illegal leaking by government officials of the classified identity of a covert agent of the CIA, Valerie Plame Wilson, the wife of former Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV.

Pursuant to the grand jury leak investigation, Libby was convicted on March 6, 2007, on four counts of perjury, obstruction of justice, and making false statements. He was acquitted of one count of making false statements.

United States v. Libby - Wikipedia

Happy now?

Wow. There is nothing in that post that references what that oh so terrible lie WAS.


And yet you seem to think that there was. Very strange.

I'm now beginning to question your sanity.

I asked what the lie was. You gave me a list of the crimes that LIbby was charged with.


You are the one acting insane, if you think that was an answer to my question.

F. Off you are either a damn liar or illiterate. He was convicted, not indicted, and found guilty. That's a fact. Period, end of discussion.

In fact, Spec. Counsel Fitzpatrick KNEW the source of the Plame leak and NEVER wrote much about it in his report. THIS is the misconduct of justice that YOU EXPECT from witch hunts and special counsels if you're not a raving partisan idiot..
'

Wow, your anger is telling.

Q. Why do I post

A. Because I believe in the rule of law, and all of that I professed in the post above.

I've coined the phrase Callous Conservative to define what I see as the creed of the Republican Party, a party whose job number one is power. A political party which puts the Party First and claims ownership of an ideology which is neither pragmatic nor democratic.

No, you do not believe in the rule of law, except when the law favors your cause. The United States Constitution is the core of the rule of law, and since you believe it means whatever five justices want it to mean, your concept of the rule of law is hypocrisy.

Marbury v. Madison ring a bell? It has been settle law since the early 19th Century.

It seems you are either ignorant of ConLaw, or a damn liar.

 

[flacaltenn]

Wow, your anger is telling.

But it's RIGHTEOUS anger isn't it? Because all I said is true. The ENTIRE REASON for that witch hunt was to find and punish the person(s) responsible for compromising a intel operative. When the Spec Prosecutor LEARNS that the confessed party is not on the "hit list" --- the process morphs to process crimes.

Why aren't YOU angry? Or angry about the slick ass cover-up of the Hillary misdeeds? She was never sworn. Neither was her nursemaid Huma or her other assistant. And the lead interrogator is the same "forrest gump" who was involved in the FISA court misrepresentations, the drafting of the Hillary exoneration and a host of other questionable actions.

What does it take to make YOU angry? Besides an (R) after their names?

 

[Wry Catcher]

Libby was convicted of Perjury, as a lawyer he knew the consequences and made a conscious choice. Even President G. W. Bush refused to pardon him.

But GW DID commute his sentence. Because it was simple partisan vindictiveness and excessive.

With all due respect, BULLSHIT. Read the link above and answer these questions:

Do you believe in the rule of law and American Jurisprudence?

Do you support the President of the United States who rallied his supporters into chanting, "lock her up" as someone who supports the Moral Imperative of our nation," Innocent until Proved Guilty"?

Process crimes gotten from partisan tribunals on NON MATERIAL "crimes" don't ever compare to ACTUAL crimes. The whole PROCESS of special counsel needs to be revised so that ALL PROCESS CRIMES are REFERRED back to DOJ without indictments.

And Hillary SHOULD have been punished by firing, demoting her, yanking her courtesy clearances and clawing back some back pay and benefits. That's would have happened IF I DID THOSE THINGS, and I was never IN CHARGE of the State Dept.

And -- if she had actually been put under OATH by a REAL objective FBI interview team -- it's likely SHE would be facing MANY process crimes for being snide and deflecting the truth.

But she NEVER WAS "put under oath" in her OWN INVESTIGATION..;.

Don't you dare talk to me about "the rule of law" you useless partisan scumbag...

I so sorry, did I upset your beliefs in Conspiracy theories. But maybe I'm being harsh, laughing at you, and in fact you have JD and a Ouija board, and the spirit of Novak has told you that Libby never asked Novak to out Plame.

Does it not occur to you that because her husband outed Chaney&Co's Claim that no WMD existed in Iraq, that Cheney wanted revenge on Wilson, and choose to attack his wife in Novak's column?

 

[Correll]

It's telling that you have not posted the lie, that was so damning that you want him to serve time for it.


He was sentenced to 30 MONTHS in prison for this terrible lie.

As I've said before, don't post on matters you've not researched and know nothing about:

Libby was indicted by a federal grand jury on five felony counts of making false statements to federal investigators, perjury for lying to a federal grand jury, and obstruction of justice for impeding the course of a federal grand jury investigation concerned with the possibly illegal leaking by government officials of the classified identity of a covert agent of the CIA, Valerie Plame Wilson, the wife of former Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV.

Pursuant to the grand jury leak investigation, Libby was convicted on March 6, 2007, on four counts of perjury, obstruction of justice, and making false statements. He was acquitted of one count of making false statements.

United States v. Libby - Wikipedia

Happy now?

Wow. There is nothing in that post that references what that oh so terrible lie WAS.


And yet you seem to think that there was. Very strange.

I'm now beginning to question your sanity.

I asked what the lie was. You gave me a list of the crimes that LIbby was charged with.


You are the one acting insane, if you think that was an answer to my question.

F. Off you are either a damn liar or illiterate. He was convicted, not indicted, and found guilty. That's a fact. Period, end of discussion....

Yes, you gave me a list of crimes he was charged with. Most of them he was convicted of. I did not deny that. That is obviously not the point I was asking about.


But what I asked for, what the lie was.


Nothing in the list of crimes, tells that.

WHAT, was the terrible lie, that you think is worth spending two and a half years in jail for?

 

[flacaltenn]

Libby was convicted of Perjury, as a lawyer he knew the consequences and made a conscious choice. Even President G. W. Bush refused to pardon him.

But GW DID commute his sentence. Because it was simple partisan vindictiveness and excessive.

With all due respect, BULLSHIT. Read the link above and answer these questions:

Do you believe in the rule of law and American Jurisprudence?

Do you support the President of the United States who rallied his supporters into chanting, "lock her up" as someone who supports the Moral Imperative of our nation," Innocent until Proved Guilty"?

Process crimes gotten from partisan tribunals on NON MATERIAL "crimes" don't ever compare to ACTUAL crimes. The whole PROCESS of special counsel needs to be revised so that ALL PROCESS CRIMES are REFERRED back to DOJ without indictments.

And Hillary SHOULD have been punished by firing, demoting her, yanking her courtesy clearances and clawing back some back pay and benefits. That's would have happened IF I DID THOSE THINGS, and I was never IN CHARGE of the State Dept.

And -- if she had actually been put under OATH by a REAL objective FBI interview team -- it's likely SHE would be facing MANY process crimes for being snide and deflecting the truth.

But she NEVER WAS "put under oath" in her OWN INVESTIGATION..;.

Don't you dare talk to me about "the rule of law" you useless partisan scumbag...

I so sorry, did I upset your beliefs in Conspiracy theories. But maybe I'm being harsh, laughing at you, and in fact you have JD and a Ouija board, and the spirit of Novak has told you that Libby never asked Novak to out Plame.

Does it not occur to you that because her husband outed Chaney&Co's Claim that no WMD existed in Iraq, that Cheney wanted revenge on Wilson, and choose to attack his wife?

Novak ALREADY KNEW it was Armitage. Why would he NEED to invest Libby into the mix.. Three journalists were held in contempt by that court. One that I know of served time. Was this even AFTER the S.P. KNEW the truth about the source of the leak? I think so..

Not a shred of conspiracy in what I told you about the Clinton "investigation". The name is Peter Strok.. When he and his lover Page are locked up --- I'll ease up a bit on Hillary.. But I'll STILL keep my sigline about her... THAT'S how pissed I am about violations of the "rule of law"...