Show us anywhere where teachers are "grooming" any students as to whether to be LGBT. there is plenty of "grooming" to be heterosexual or to adopt a certain, very specific religious sect, and plenty of court cases about this grooming.
Christophobic bigot. The children belong to their parents, not the government indoctrination centers (public school).
Parents are always welcome to teach their children themselves or pick the private RELIGIOUS school of their choice. That option has always been there.
Thank you. The folks who insist on complaining and want "god" and "prayer" back in schools, which are necessarily sectarian, are people who refuse to acknowledge that it is that parents' duty to raise their children as to these matters. When I was a child in public school, we said the Christian Lord's Prayer every morning. I sat next to a Jewish kid. It took years for me to realize that this prayer did not exist in the Jewish faith. It was totally sectarian. The school was invading her parents' rights to raise their child as a Jewish person.
Schools are not *necessarily sectarian* . That's nonsense that came about with the nationalization of our schools, also known as the commization of our schools, which started with the creation of the Dept. of Education. The dept of education, like so many other leftist organizations, is actually concerned with the dumbing down of kids..not their education. Which is why our schools and our children have gone steadily downhill since it's inception.
Schools should be locally managed and should receive nothing from the feds, and they should exist in the form that the community that funds them decides is best suited for their children. Eliminate all federal funding, eliminate all federal interference, eliminate all federal oversight. Eliminate every single federal *program* from the stupid "clubs" that target and brainwash vulnerable kids for heavy doses of indoctrination around pizza and dancing, to the stupid food programs. Get the forest service, the dept. of fish and wildlife, and planned parenthood out of our schools entirely. And start firing teachers.
Until we do that, our schools will continue to be the disgusting crapholes they currently are.
People are pulling their kids out like there's no tomorrow, and that's a good thing.
What I actually said that ideas about a supreme being, the existence of this supreme being, and prayers being offered up to this being are necessarily sectarian, and should not be included in schools. The educational basics can be taught to our kids without such sectarianism, and the kids' instruction in faith should be left up to the parents, not "the community." BTW: food programs are NOT "stupid." Kids come to class hungry. The forest service, the "dept. of fish and wildlife, and planned parenthood" are not involved in our schools. I agree that teachers who bring religious materials to their classes should be fired.
Academic excellence can, and must, be achieved without sectarianism. Moreover, remember that these kids will have to survive and compete against kids from all over the world when we are gone.
Dear
Lysistrata
1. What if the Liberal/LGBT is using Government as that body of "supreme authority" while others do not.
Does that count as a belief system based on some "external"
or "universal" "supreme absolute authority"?
2. If you do not see both liberal/LGBT (which is argued as BELIEVING in Government as the central authority for establishing the collective will of the people) and Christian/organized religions about deifying "a supreme being" as similar "beliefs"
isn't that a form of DISCRIMINATION to only
apply "religious" references in Constitutional law
ONLY TO PEOPLE WHO FALL UNDER the "beliefs"
you pinpoint (ie only those "beliefs" that refer to a "supreme being" as you limit this definition to)
Shouldn't ANY BELIEF be treated the same?
Not just "beliefs concerning supreme PERSONIFIED authority"
but what about beliefs concerning government as a supreme authority?
Sholdn't ANYONE's BELIEF be protected equally from the BELIEFS of other people or groups, instead of some biased agenda or policy
being decided by the govt or school administration that EXCLUDES people of other beliefs?
Shouldn't this be applied to everyone who objects and doesn't believe in or feel equally included, protected or represented by the FAITH BASED beliefs promoted by factions who have those beliefs that the others do not.
3. if not,
Lysistrata if you do NOT believe as I do that LGBT and Christian beliefs, liberal and conservative beliefs about govt shold be treated equally,
then what about MY BELIEFS as a Constitutionalist (which is a political religion I have a right to defend and exercise for myself though not impose on others either) and as a believer in equal rights and representation for each person regardless of beliefs (including religious, political or political religious beliefs all treated equally as creeds).
Don't I have a right to treat these LGBT/liberal and Christian/Conservative beliefs as equal, and not be subject to govt laws or public policies that unconstitutionally establish one while penalizing or prohibiting the other.
What about my beliefs, do those count?
by my beliefs, it is equally unconstitutional to impose either one through public policy, but both sides in conflict should agree on a consensual way to write and apply policy so that beliefs on both sides are equally included, represented and protected. Thus I believe that in cases involving faith based beliefs that can't be changed or forced to change by govt, this requires local mediation to resolve conflicts and arrive at a mutually agreed consensus decision even if that agreement is to separate funding or jurisdiction. Only agreed policies that reflect the public as a whole (not one side being represented while the other is left out) can be considered public law that is constitutionally equally protecting, including and representing people equally. without equal inclusion it causes discrimination by creed.
Are you okay with that belief I have in interpreting creed
to mean secular beliefs and political beliefs and religions
equally as you take religion to mean organized religions only?
As for your definition, can Buddhists teach to focus on Wisdom as universal supreme truth? Does that count as a "supreme being" if it is not personified.
So if Buddhism does not have a supreme being or deity, are you saying Buddhists can teach in schools but not Christians?
Do you see how it's not fair to say only beings or personified authorities can be the focus of a religious teaching or belief.
Buddhists will claim they do not believe in a supreme being.
So your definition of what is a biased religious belief
would not treat Buddhists the same as Christians.
Not to mention Atheists whose beliefs are not based on
an organized religion but individual beliefs.
I don't see how people are going to be treated equally under law
if we start "nitpicking" what constitutes a belief or not recognized by law.
So that's why I treat all beliefs as equally protected
as a creed under Civil Rights and under free exercise of religion
under the First Amendment.
I'm trying to treat and include all people equally
regardless how we EXPRESS our beliefs.
Does that make sense?
I feel I cover more people from more views and groups this way
and try to be equal and universal about it. Thanks
Lysistrata
please reply to which points above you can agree or disagree with
and why?