Let's Play Devil's Advocate!

[Shorebreak]

Just for the sake of argument, let's assume that the official story on how the 9/11 attacks occured is true and that the hijackings were a surprise to our intelligencse agencies, senior government officials, and our most senior military leadership.

Wow! Could you imagine what would have happened if that were the case? Let's just play out a few of the events that took place.

Let's start with Booker Elementary School in Florida where President Bush was speaking. Just imagine that you are the Secret Service agent who has primary responsibility for the presidents security when you hear the news: The World trade Center has just been struck by a hijacked airliner. Another hijacked airliner is inbound for the World Trade Center. At least one more known airliner is presumed hijacked. And thousands of other airliners are currently en route in the air space overhead, including several hundred aircraft that are within 1 to 30 minutes of the Presidents pre-disclosed public location.

What would you do? Could you imagine what might happen to you if you listened to the news, you watched the attacks unfolding, you were aware of possible hijackings, you knew that there were multiple airliners in the airspace around you - and you did nothing?

Well you don't need to try very hard to imagine, because that is exactly what happened. As airliners were being hijacked from multipla airports across the eastern seaboard, the Presidents Secret Service security team decided that the best course of action would be to continue the live television appearance at Booker Elementary School, all the while knowing that one of the nearby aircraft might be a missile aimed at their location at the school.

That doesn't sound very smart, does it?

However, since we know that the official government version of the 9/11 attacks is correct, we can rest comfortably at night knowing that there was no conspiracy and these agents didn't have inside knowledge that their location was secure from hijacked aircraft used as missiles. These were poorly trained and incompetent Secret Service agents who were disciplined for their failure to act when our President's life was threatened.

They were disciplined, weren't they? I simply can't imagine why they wouldn't be.

 

[California Girl]

^^ Let's play 'spot the loony-tune'.
















I win.

 

[ItHappens]

The preferred troofer response. Be patient...the fun starts about 1:15 in.

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[Terral]

Hi Shore:

Just for the sake of argument, let's assume that the official story on how the 9/11 attacks occured is true and that the hijackings were a surprise to our intelligence agencies, senior government officials, and our most senior military leadership ....

Please forgive, but the 9/11 Official Story is the most ridiculous pile of BS these eyes have ever seen:

My Flight 93 Topic:

You want me to pretend that this empty hole is a crashed 100-ton Jetliner. No sir. Only Loyal Bushie/Obama DUPES and DoD Cover Story Stooges can play that game ...

My recent post to USMB Debunkers cuckoo is here ...

GL,

Terral

 

[creativedreams]

Just for the sake of argument, let's assume that the official story on how the 9/11 attacks occured is true and that the hijackings were a surprise to our intelligencse agencies, senior government officials, and our most senior military leadership.

Wow! Could you imagine what would have happened if that were the case? Let's just play out a few of the events that took place.

Let's start with Booker Elementary School in Florida where President Bush was speaking. Just imagine that you are the Secret Service agent who has primary responsibility for the presidents security when you hear the news: The World trade Center has just been struck by a hijacked airliner. Another hijacked airliner is inbound for the World Trade Center. At least one more known airliner is presumed hijacked. And thousands of other airliners are currently en route in the air space overhead, including several hundred aircraft that are within 1 to 30 minutes of the Presidents pre-disclosed public location.

What would you do? Could you imagine what might happen to you if you listened to the news, you watched the attacks unfolding, you were aware of possible hijackings, you knew that there were multiple airliners in the airspace around you - and you did nothing?

Well you don't need to try very hard to imagine, because that is exactly what happened. As airliners were being hijacked from multipla airports across the eastern seaboard, the Presidents Secret Service security team decided that the best course of action would be to continue the live television appearance at Booker Elementary School, all the while knowing that one of the nearby aircraft might be a missile aimed at their location at the school.

That doesn't sound very smart, does it?

However, since we know that the official government version of the 9/11 attacks is correct, we can rest comfortably at night knowing that there was no conspiracy and these agents didn't have inside knowledge that their location was secure from hijacked aircraft used as missiles. These were poorly trained and incompetent Secret Service agents who were disciplined for their failure to act when our President's life was threatened.

They were disciplined, weren't they? I simply can't imagine why they wouldn't be.

Excellent point!

The many failures didn't roll heads because it would have opened a real investigation.

 

[Shorebreak]

Just for the sake of argument, let's assume that the official story on how the 9/11 attacks occured is true and that the hijackings were a surprise to our intelligencse agencies, senior government officials, and our most senior military leadership.

Wow! Could you imagine what would have happened if that were the case? Let's just play out a few of the events that took place.

Let's start with Booker Elementary School in Florida where President Bush was speaking. Just imagine that you are the Secret Service agent who has primary responsibility for the presidents security when you hear the news: The World trade Center has just been struck by a hijacked airliner. Another hijacked airliner is inbound for the World Trade Center. At least one more known airliner is presumed hijacked. And thousands of other airliners are currently en route in the air space overhead, including several hundred aircraft that are within 1 to 30 minutes of the Presidents pre-disclosed public location.

What would you do? Could you imagine what might happen to you if you listened to the news, you watched the attacks unfolding, you were aware of possible hijackings, you knew that there were multiple airliners in the airspace around you - and you did nothing?

Well you don't need to try very hard to imagine, because that is exactly what happened. As airliners were being hijacked from multipla airports across the eastern seaboard, the Presidents Secret Service security team decided that the best course of action would be to continue the live television appearance at Booker Elementary School, all the while knowing that one of the nearby aircraft might be a missile aimed at their location at the school.

That doesn't sound very smart, does it?

However, since we know that the official government version of the 9/11 attacks is correct, we can rest comfortably at night knowing that there was no conspiracy and these agents didn't have inside knowledge that their location was secure from hijacked aircraft used as missiles. These were poorly trained and incompetent Secret Service agents who were disciplined for their failure to act when our President's life was threatened.

They were disciplined, weren't they? I simply can't imagine why they wouldn't be.

Excellent point!

The many failures didn't roll heads because it would have opened a real investigation.

There's a Sherlock Holmes story that covers this in great detail. It's called "Silver Blaze". The story is about a stolen race horse.

In the story, Holmes says “. . . . I had grasped the significance of the silence of the dog, for one true inference invariably suggests others . . . . Obviously the midnight visitor was someone whom the dog knew well."

That was the critical clue in identifying the culprit.

...which takes us to Booker Elementary School in Florida, where on September 11, 2001, the dog did not bark.

 

[Baruch Menachem]

You do better at Twister

 

[candycorn]

I think I'd realize that north WTC tower is a high value target easily hit by an airliner from the air due to..you know...being one of the worlds largest buildings. As were the south WTC tower as well as the Pentagon.

One thing I wouldn't do is over-react and rush the President out of a classroom. Possibly the worst place you can be is walking through a parking lot to your car when under attack. In a windowless nondescript classroom surrounded by the best trained armed guards in the world is quite preferable to being out in the open exposed to a 540 degree attack sphere.

Of course thats just common sense so it is obvious that twoofers are not going to be able to understand a damn thing.

Try picking a 1 or 2 story school house out of a neighborhood on Google maps, much less at 30,000 feet doing 500 knots.

CHECKMATE BEEOTCH

 

[SFC Ollie]

The problem with your story is that , well, that's not what happened. When President Bush was first told they only knew that a plane had crashed into the WTC. No one knew at that time how far this was going that day. It was only after the second airliner hit that everyone knew it was no accident. And the Secret Service took all appropriate measures.

 

[uptownlivin90]

I wanna play beer pong!

 

[uptownlivin90]

The problem with your story is that , well, that's not what happened. When President Bush was first told they only knew that a plane had crashed into the WTC. No one knew at that time how far this was going that day. It was only after the second airliner hit that everyone knew it was no accident. And the Secret Service took all appropriate measures.

That and we don't even know what was said to the president. Could have been somewhere along the lines of "we have a problem" or "there was a serious accident in New York, be prepared for a breifing after this". What was the man supposed to do stop reading the book put on a cape and fly out of the elementary school through the cieling? I mean has awesome as that would be for an elementary schooler, if he tried it, it probably wouldn't work.

We don't even know if that secret serivce officer even new any speific details or what details he knew. To assume he knew that planes were crashing into buildings is stretching the imagination here.

Just saying, if you want to be a 9/11 conspiracist this ain't the line of argument you want to present as proof of your position.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Exactly HOW would the Hijackers know the President was in THAT Florida school on that day at that hour, in order to Hijack an Aircraft to crash it into THAT school.

There is a reason they chose BUILDINGS to attack, they are fixed in place and no matter when you pull off the attack, they won't have moved one inch from where they were on the days you planned the attack and trained for it.

This has to be one of the STUPIDEST attempts to disprove 9/11 was a terror attack.

 

[RadiomanATL]

I'm pretty good at hearts.

 

[Fizz]

i'll be the first to admit Bush's response when told a second plane hit and we are under attack wasnt what you would expect of a president. he should have simply got up and said to the students something important is happening and i'm sorry i need to leave.

the speculation that the secret service didnt do its job is completely unfounded.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

i'll be the first to admit Bush's response when told a second plane hit and we are under attack wasnt what you would expect of a president. he should have simply got up and said to the students something important is happening and i'm sorry i need to leave.

the speculation that the secret service didnt do its job is completely unfounded.

His argument is NOT that the secret service did not do their job, he is arguing that they KNEW it was an inside job and so had no fears of any attack on the President.

 

[Fizz]

i'll be the first to admit Bush's response when told a second plane hit and we are under attack wasnt what you would expect of a president. he should have simply got up and said to the students something important is happening and i'm sorry i need to leave.

the speculation that the secret service didnt do its job is completely unfounded.

His argument is NOT that the secret service did not do their job, he is arguing that they KNEW it was an inside job and so had no fears of any attack on the President.

ahhhh.... ok....

so we just add the secret service to the list of the thousands and thousands of people that are "in on it" and still have not squealed.

1,500 people who worked the flight 93 crash scene
40,000 people who worked the piles at Ground Zero
55 FBI Evidence Response Teams at Fresh Kills in New York
7,000+ FBI Agents
8,000+ people who worked the scene at the Pentagon
ACE Bermuda Insurance
AEMC Construction
AIG Insurance
Air Traffic Control System Command Center in Washington
Alexandria VA Fire & Rescue
Allianz Global Risks
American Airlines
American Concrete Institute
American Institute of Steel Construction
American Red Cross
Applied Biosystems Inc.
Applied Research Associates
Arlington County Emergency Medical Services
Arlington County Fire Department
Arlington County Sheriff's Department
Arlington VA Police Department
Armed Forces Institute of Pathology
Armed Forces Institute of Technology Federal Advisory Committee
ARUP USA
Atlantic Heydt Inc.
Bechtel
Berlin Fire Department
Big Apple Wrecking
Blanford & Co.
Bode Technology Group
Bovis Inc.
Building and Construction Trades Council
Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms
C-130H crew in D.C. & Shanksville
Cal Berkeley Engineering Dept.
California Incident Management Team
Carter Burgess Engineering
Celera Genomics
Centers for Disease Control
Central City Fire Department
Central Intelligence Agency
Cleveland Airport control tower
Columbia University Department of Civil Engineering and Engineering Mechanics
Congressional Joint Intelligence Committee
Consolidated Edison Company
Construction Technologies Laboratory
Controlled Demolitions Inc.
Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat
Counterterrorism and Security Group
CTL Engineering
D.H. Griffin Wrecking Co. Inc.
DeSimone Consulting Engineers
Dewhurst MacFarlane &Partners
DiSalvo Ericson Engineering
District of Columbia Fire & Rescue
DOD Honor Guard, Pentagon
D'Onofrio Construction
E-4B National Airborne Operations Center crews
Edwards and Kelcey Engineering
Engineering Systems, Inc.
Environmental protection Agency
Exponent Failure Analysis Associates
EYP Mission CriticalFacilities
Fairfax County Fire & Rescue
Falcon 20 crew in PA
Family members who received calls from victims on the planes
FBI Evidence Recovery Teams
Federal Aviation Administration
Federal Bureau of Investigation
Federal Emergency Management Agency
Federal Insurance Co.
FEMA 68-Person Urban Search and Rescue Teams: Arizona Task Force 1, California Task Force 1, California Task Force 3, California Task Force 7, Colorado Task Force 1, Fairfax Task Force 1, Florida Task Force 1, Florida Task Force 2, Maryland Task Force 1, Massachusetts Task Force 1, Metro Dade/Miami, Nebraska Task Force 1, New Mexico Task Force 1, New York Task Force 1, Pennsylvania Task Force 1, Tennessee Task Force 1, Texas Task Force 1, Utah Task Force 1, Virginia Task Force 1, Virginia Task Force 2, Washington Task Force 1
FEMA Disaster Field Office
FEMA Emergency Response Team
FEMA Urban Search and Rescue Incident Support Team-Advanced 3
Fire Department of New York
Fort Myer Fire Department
French Urban Search & Rescue Task Force
Friedens Volunteer Fire Department
Gateway Demolition
Gene Code Forensics
Georgia Tech Engineering Dept.
Gilsanz Murray Steficek LLP
GMAC Financing
Goldstein Associates Consulting Engineers
Guy Nordenson Associates
HAKS Engineers
Hampton-Clarke Inc.
HHS National Medical Response Team
HLW International Engineering
Hooversville Rescue Squad.
Hooversville Volunteer Fire Department
Hoy Structural Services
Hughes Associates, Inc
Hugo Neu Schnitzer East
hundreds of ironworkers, some of whom built the WTC
Hundreds of New York City Police Department Detectives
Industrial Risk Insurers
Institute for Civil Infrastructure Systems
International Association of Fire Chiefs
International Union of Operating Engineers Locals 14 & 15
J.R. Harris & Company
Johnstown-Cambria County Airport Authority
Karl Koch Steel Consulting Inc.
KCE Structural Engineers
Koch Skanska
Koutsoubis, Alonso Associates
Laboratory Corp. of America
Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory
Leslie E. Robertson Associates
LIRo Engineering
Listie Volunteer Fire Company
Lockwood Consulting
M.G. McLaren Engineering
Masonry Society
Mazzocchi Wrecking Inc.
Metal Management Northeast
Metropolitan Airport Authority Fire Unit
Miami-Dade Urban Search & Rescue
Military District of Washington Search & Rescue Team
Montgomery County Fire & Rescue
Mueser Rutledge Consulting Engineers
Murray Engineering
Myriad Genetic Laboratories Inc.
National Center for Biotechnology Informatics
National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States
National Council of Structural Engineers Associations
National Disaster Medical System
National Emergency Numbering Association
National Fire Protection Association
National Guard in D.C., New York, and Pennsylvania
National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST)
National Institutes of Health Human Genome Research Institute
National Law Enforcement and Security Institute
National Military Command Center
National Reconnaissance Office
National Response Center
National Science Foundation Division of Civil and Mechanical Systems
National Security Agency
National Transportation Safety Board
National Wrecking
Natural Hazards Research and Applications Information Center
New Jersey State Police
New York City Department of Buildings WTC Task Force
New York City Department of Design and Construction
New York City Department of Environmental Protection
New York City Office of Emergency Management
New York City Office of the Chief Medical Examiner
New York City Police Department Aviation Unit
New York City Police Department Emergency Services Unit
New York Daily News
New York Flight Control Center
New York Newsday
New York Port Authority Construction Board
New York Port Authority Police
New York State Emergency Management Office
New York State Police Forensic Services
New York Times
North American Aerospace Defense Command
Northeast Air Defense Sector Commanders and crew
Numerous bomb-sniffing dogs
Numerous Forensic Anthropologists
Numerous Forensic Dentists
Numerous Forensic Pathologists
Numerous Forensic Radiologists
NuStats
Occupational Safety and Health Administration
Office of Emergency Preparedness
Office of Strategic Services
Orchid Cellmark
Parsons Brinckerhoff Engineering
Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection
Pennsylvania Department of Health and Human Services
Pennsylvania Region 13 Metropolitan Medical Response Group
Pennsylvania State Funeral Directors Association
Pennsylvania State Police
Pentagon Defense Protective Service
Pentagon Helicopter Crash Response Team
Pentagon Medical Staff
Pentagon Renovation Team
Phillips & Jordan, Inc.
Port of New York and New Jersey Authority
Pro-Safety Services
Protec
Public Entity Risk Institute
Purdue University Engineering Dept.
Robert Silman Associates Structural Engineers
Rolf Jensen & Associates, Inc
Rosenwasser/Grossman Consulting Engineers
Royal SunAlliance/Royal Indemnity
SACE Prime Power Assessment Teams
SACE Structural Safety Engineers and Debris Planning and Response Teams
Salvation Army Disaster Services
several EPA Hazmat Teams
several FBI Hazmat Teams
several Federal Disaster Medical Assistance Teams
several Federal Disaster Mortuary (DMORT) Teams
Severud Associates Consulting Engineers
Shanksville Volunteer Fire Company
Silverstein Properties
Simpson Gumpertz & Heger Engineers
Skidmore, Owings & Merrill LLP
Skilling Ward Magnusson Barkshire
Society of Fire Protection Engineers
Somerset Ambulance Association
Somerset County Coroner's Office
Somerset County Emergency Management Agency
Somerset Volunteer Fire Department
St. Paul/Travelers Insurance
State of Pennsylvania Emergency Management Agency
Stoystown Volunteer Fire Company
Structural Engineering Institute of the American Society of Civil Engineers (SEI/ASCE)
Structural Engineers Association of New York
Superstructures Engineering
Swiss Re America Insurance
Telephone operators who took calls from passengers in the hijacked planes
Teng & Associates
Thornton-Tomasetti Group, Inc.
TIG Insurance
Tokio Marine & Fire
Transportation Safety Administration
Tully Construction
Twin City Fire Insurance
Tylk Gustafson Reckers Wilson Andrews Engineering
U.S. Army Corps of Engineers
Underwriters Laboratories
Union Wrecking
United Airlines
United States Air National Guard
United States Fire Administration
United States Secret Service
United Steelworkers of America
University of Sheffield Fire Engineering Research
US Army Reserves of Virginia Beach Fairfax County and Montgomery County
US Army’s Communications-Electronics Command
US Department of Defense
US Department of Justice
US Department of State
Virginia Beach Fire Department
Virginia Department of Emergency Management
Virginia State Police
Vollmer Associates Engineers
Washington Post
Weeks Marine
Weidlinger Associates
Weiskopf & Pickworth Engineering
Westmoreland County Emergency Management Agency
Whitney Contracting
Willis Group Holdings
WJE Structural Engineers
Worcester Polytechnic Institute
World Trade Center security staff
XL Insurance
Yonkers Contracting
York International
Zurich Financial
Zurich Re Risk Engineering

 

[DiveCon]

i'll be the first to admit Bush's response when told a second plane hit and we are under attack wasnt what you would expect of a president. he should have simply got up and said to the students something important is happening and i'm sorry i need to leave.

the speculation that the secret service didnt do its job is completely unfounded.

His argument is NOT that the secret service did not do their job, he is arguing that they KNEW it was an inside job and so had no fears of any attack on the President.

ahhhh.... ok....

so we just add the secret service to the list of the thousands and thousands of people that are "in on it" and still have not squealed.

1,500 people who worked the flight 93 crash scene
40,000 people who worked the piles at Ground Zero
55 FBI Evidence Response Teams at Fresh Kills in New York
7,000+ FBI Agents
8,000+ people who worked the scene at the Pentagon
ACE Bermuda Insurance
AEMC Construction
AIG Insurance
Air Traffic Control System Command Center in Washington
Alexandria VA Fire & Rescue
Allianz Global Risks
American Airlines
American Concrete Institute
American Institute of Steel Construction
American Red Cross
Applied Biosystems Inc.
Applied Research Associates
Arlington County Emergency Medical Services
Arlington County Fire Department
Arlington County Sheriff's Department
Arlington VA Police Department
Armed Forces Institute of Pathology
Armed Forces Institute of Technology Federal Advisory Committee
ARUP USA
Atlantic Heydt Inc.
Bechtel
Berlin Fire Department
Big Apple Wrecking
Blanford & Co.
Bode Technology Group
Bovis Inc.
Building and Construction Trades Council
Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms
C-130H crew in D.C. & Shanksville
Cal Berkeley Engineering Dept.
California Incident Management Team
Carter Burgess Engineering
Celera Genomics
Centers for Disease Control
Central City Fire Department
Central Intelligence Agency
Cleveland Airport control tower
Columbia University Department of Civil Engineering and Engineering Mechanics
Congressional Joint Intelligence Committee
Consolidated Edison Company
Construction Technologies Laboratory
Controlled Demolitions Inc.
Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat
Counterterrorism and Security Group
CTL Engineering
D.H. Griffin Wrecking Co. Inc.
DeSimone Consulting Engineers
Dewhurst MacFarlane &Partners
DiSalvo Ericson Engineering
District of Columbia Fire & Rescue
DOD Honor Guard, Pentagon
D'Onofrio Construction
E-4B National Airborne Operations Center crews
Edwards and Kelcey Engineering
Engineering Systems, Inc.
Environmental protection Agency
Exponent Failure Analysis Associates
EYP Mission CriticalFacilities
Fairfax County Fire & Rescue
Falcon 20 crew in PA
Family members who received calls from victims on the planes
FBI Evidence Recovery Teams
Federal Aviation Administration
Federal Bureau of Investigation
Federal Emergency Management Agency
Federal Insurance Co.
FEMA 68-Person Urban Search and Rescue Teams: Arizona Task Force 1, California Task Force 1, California Task Force 3, California Task Force 7, Colorado Task Force 1, Fairfax Task Force 1, Florida Task Force 1, Florida Task Force 2, Maryland Task Force 1, Massachusetts Task Force 1, Metro Dade/Miami, Nebraska Task Force 1, New Mexico Task Force 1, New York Task Force 1, Pennsylvania Task Force 1, Tennessee Task Force 1, Texas Task Force 1, Utah Task Force 1, Virginia Task Force 1, Virginia Task Force 2, Washington Task Force 1
FEMA Disaster Field Office
FEMA Emergency Response Team
FEMA Urban Search and Rescue Incident Support Team-Advanced 3
Fire Department of New York
Fort Myer Fire Department
French Urban Search & Rescue Task Force
Friedens Volunteer Fire Department
Gateway Demolition
Gene Code Forensics
Georgia Tech Engineering Dept.
Gilsanz Murray Steficek LLP
GMAC Financing
Goldstein Associates Consulting Engineers
Guy Nordenson Associates
HAKS Engineers
Hampton-Clarke Inc.
HHS National Medical Response Team
HLW International Engineering
Hooversville Rescue Squad.
Hooversville Volunteer Fire Department
Hoy Structural Services
Hughes Associates, Inc
Hugo Neu Schnitzer East
hundreds of ironworkers, some of whom built the WTC
Hundreds of New York City Police Department Detectives
Industrial Risk Insurers
Institute for Civil Infrastructure Systems
International Association of Fire Chiefs
International Union of Operating Engineers Locals 14 & 15
J.R. Harris & Company
Johnstown-Cambria County Airport Authority
Karl Koch Steel Consulting Inc.
KCE Structural Engineers
Koch Skanska
Koutsoubis, Alonso Associates
Laboratory Corp. of America
Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory
Leslie E. Robertson Associates
LIRo Engineering
Listie Volunteer Fire Company
Lockwood Consulting
M.G. McLaren Engineering
Masonry Society
Mazzocchi Wrecking Inc.
Metal Management Northeast
Metropolitan Airport Authority Fire Unit
Miami-Dade Urban Search & Rescue
Military District of Washington Search & Rescue Team
Montgomery County Fire & Rescue
Mueser Rutledge Consulting Engineers
Murray Engineering
Myriad Genetic Laboratories Inc.
National Center for Biotechnology Informatics
National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States
National Council of Structural Engineers Associations
National Disaster Medical System
National Emergency Numbering Association
National Fire Protection Association
National Guard in D.C., New York, and Pennsylvania
National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST)
National Institutes of Health Human Genome Research Institute
National Law Enforcement and Security Institute
National Military Command Center
National Reconnaissance Office
National Response Center
National Science Foundation Division of Civil and Mechanical Systems
National Security Agency
National Transportation Safety Board
National Wrecking
Natural Hazards Research and Applications Information Center
New Jersey State Police
New York City Department of Buildings WTC Task Force
New York City Department of Design and Construction
New York City Department of Environmental Protection
New York City Office of Emergency Management
New York City Office of the Chief Medical Examiner
New York City Police Department Aviation Unit
New York City Police Department Emergency Services Unit
New York Daily News
New York Flight Control Center
New York Newsday
New York Port Authority Construction Board
New York Port Authority Police
New York State Emergency Management Office
New York State Police Forensic Services
New York Times
North American Aerospace Defense Command
Northeast Air Defense Sector Commanders and crew
Numerous bomb-sniffing dogs
Numerous Forensic Anthropologists
Numerous Forensic Dentists
Numerous Forensic Pathologists
Numerous Forensic Radiologists
NuStats
Occupational Safety and Health Administration
Office of Emergency Preparedness
Office of Strategic Services
Orchid Cellmark
Parsons Brinckerhoff Engineering
Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection
Pennsylvania Department of Health and Human Services
Pennsylvania Region 13 Metropolitan Medical Response Group
Pennsylvania State Funeral Directors Association
Pennsylvania State Police
Pentagon Defense Protective Service
Pentagon Helicopter Crash Response Team
Pentagon Medical Staff
Pentagon Renovation Team
Phillips & Jordan, Inc.
Port of New York and New Jersey Authority
Pro-Safety Services
Protec
Public Entity Risk Institute
Purdue University Engineering Dept.
Robert Silman Associates Structural Engineers
Rolf Jensen & Associates, Inc
Rosenwasser/Grossman Consulting Engineers
Royal SunAlliance/Royal Indemnity
SACE Prime Power Assessment Teams
SACE Structural Safety Engineers and Debris Planning and Response Teams
Salvation Army Disaster Services
several EPA Hazmat Teams
several FBI Hazmat Teams
several Federal Disaster Medical Assistance Teams
several Federal Disaster Mortuary (DMORT) Teams
Severud Associates Consulting Engineers
Shanksville Volunteer Fire Company
Silverstein Properties
Simpson Gumpertz & Heger Engineers
Skidmore, Owings & Merrill LLP
Skilling Ward Magnusson Barkshire
Society of Fire Protection Engineers
Somerset Ambulance Association
Somerset County Coroner's Office
Somerset County Emergency Management Agency
Somerset Volunteer Fire Department
St. Paul/Travelers Insurance
State of Pennsylvania Emergency Management Agency
Stoystown Volunteer Fire Company
Structural Engineering Institute of the American Society of Civil Engineers (SEI/ASCE)
Structural Engineers Association of New York
Superstructures Engineering
Swiss Re America Insurance
Telephone operators who took calls from passengers in the hijacked planes
Teng & Associates
Thornton-Tomasetti Group, Inc.
TIG Insurance
Tokio Marine & Fire
Transportation Safety Administration
Tully Construction
Twin City Fire Insurance
Tylk Gustafson Reckers Wilson Andrews Engineering
U.S. Army Corps of Engineers
Underwriters Laboratories
Union Wrecking
United Airlines
United States Air National Guard
United States Fire Administration
United States Secret Service
United Steelworkers of America
University of Sheffield Fire Engineering Research
US Army Reserves of Virginia Beach Fairfax County and Montgomery County
US Army’s Communications-Electronics Command
US Department of Defense
US Department of Justice
US Department of State
Virginia Beach Fire Department
Virginia Department of Emergency Management
Virginia State Police
Vollmer Associates Engineers
Washington Post
Weeks Marine
Weidlinger Associates
Weiskopf & Pickworth Engineering
Westmoreland County Emergency Management Agency
Whitney Contracting
Willis Group Holdings
WJE Structural Engineers
Worcester Polytechnic Institute
World Trade Center security staff
XL Insurance
Yonkers Contracting
York International
Zurich Financial
Zurich Re Risk Engineering

damn, thats an impressive list

 

[candycorn]

i'll be the first to admit Bush's response when told a second plane hit and we are under attack wasnt what you would expect of a president. he should have simply got up and said to the students something important is happening and i'm sorry i need to leave.

the speculation that the secret service didnt do its job is completely unfounded.

His argument is NOT that the secret service did not do their job, he is arguing that they KNEW it was an inside job and so had no fears of any attack on the President.

ahhhh.... ok....

so we just add the secret service to the list of the thousands and thousands of people that are "in on it" and still have not squealed.

1,500 people who worked the flight 93 crash scene
40,000 people who worked the piles at Ground Zero
55 FBI Evidence Response Teams at Fresh Kills in New York
7,000+ FBI Agents
8,000+ people who worked the scene at the Pentagon
ACE Bermuda Insurance
AEMC Construction
AIG Insurance
Air Traffic Control System Command Center in Washington
Alexandria VA Fire & Rescue
Allianz Global Risks
American Airlines
American Concrete Institute
American Institute of Steel Construction
American Red Cross
Applied Biosystems Inc.
Applied Research Associates
Arlington County Emergency Medical Services
Arlington County Fire Department
Arlington County Sheriff's Department
Arlington VA Police Department
Armed Forces Institute of Pathology
Armed Forces Institute of Technology Federal Advisory Committee
ARUP USA
Atlantic Heydt Inc.
Bechtel
Berlin Fire Department
Big Apple Wrecking
Blanford & Co.
Bode Technology Group
Bovis Inc.
Building and Construction Trades Council
Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms
C-130H crew in D.C. & Shanksville
Cal Berkeley Engineering Dept.
California Incident Management Team
Carter Burgess Engineering
Celera Genomics
Centers for Disease Control
Central City Fire Department
Central Intelligence Agency
Cleveland Airport control tower
Columbia University Department of Civil Engineering and Engineering Mechanics
Congressional Joint Intelligence Committee
Consolidated Edison Company
Construction Technologies Laboratory
Controlled Demolitions Inc.
Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat
Counterterrorism and Security Group
CTL Engineering
D.H. Griffin Wrecking Co. Inc.
DeSimone Consulting Engineers
Dewhurst MacFarlane &Partners
DiSalvo Ericson Engineering
District of Columbia Fire & Rescue
DOD Honor Guard, Pentagon
D'Onofrio Construction
E-4B National Airborne Operations Center crews
Edwards and Kelcey Engineering
Engineering Systems, Inc.
Environmental protection Agency
Exponent Failure Analysis Associates
EYP Mission CriticalFacilities
Fairfax County Fire & Rescue
Falcon 20 crew in PA
Family members who received calls from victims on the planes
FBI Evidence Recovery Teams
Federal Aviation Administration
Federal Bureau of Investigation
Federal Emergency Management Agency
Federal Insurance Co.
FEMA 68-Person Urban Search and Rescue Teams: Arizona Task Force 1, California Task Force 1, California Task Force 3, California Task Force 7, Colorado Task Force 1, Fairfax Task Force 1, Florida Task Force 1, Florida Task Force 2, Maryland Task Force 1, Massachusetts Task Force 1, Metro Dade/Miami, Nebraska Task Force 1, New Mexico Task Force 1, New York Task Force 1, Pennsylvania Task Force 1, Tennessee Task Force 1, Texas Task Force 1, Utah Task Force 1, Virginia Task Force 1, Virginia Task Force 2, Washington Task Force 1
FEMA Disaster Field Office
FEMA Emergency Response Team
FEMA Urban Search and Rescue Incident Support Team-Advanced 3
Fire Department of New York
Fort Myer Fire Department
French Urban Search & Rescue Task Force
Friedens Volunteer Fire Department
Gateway Demolition
Gene Code Forensics
Georgia Tech Engineering Dept.
Gilsanz Murray Steficek LLP
GMAC Financing
Goldstein Associates Consulting Engineers
Guy Nordenson Associates
HAKS Engineers
Hampton-Clarke Inc.
HHS National Medical Response Team
HLW International Engineering
Hooversville Rescue Squad.
Hooversville Volunteer Fire Department
Hoy Structural Services
Hughes Associates, Inc
Hugo Neu Schnitzer East
hundreds of ironworkers, some of whom built the WTC
Hundreds of New York City Police Department Detectives
Industrial Risk Insurers
Institute for Civil Infrastructure Systems
International Association of Fire Chiefs
International Union of Operating Engineers Locals 14 & 15
J.R. Harris & Company
Johnstown-Cambria County Airport Authority
Karl Koch Steel Consulting Inc.
KCE Structural Engineers
Koch Skanska
Koutsoubis, Alonso Associates
Laboratory Corp. of America
Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory
Leslie E. Robertson Associates
LIRo Engineering
Listie Volunteer Fire Company
Lockwood Consulting
M.G. McLaren Engineering
Masonry Society
Mazzocchi Wrecking Inc.
Metal Management Northeast
Metropolitan Airport Authority Fire Unit
Miami-Dade Urban Search & Rescue
Military District of Washington Search & Rescue Team
Montgomery County Fire & Rescue
Mueser Rutledge Consulting Engineers
Murray Engineering
Myriad Genetic Laboratories Inc.
National Center for Biotechnology Informatics
National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States
National Council of Structural Engineers Associations
National Disaster Medical System
National Emergency Numbering Association
National Fire Protection Association
National Guard in D.C., New York, and Pennsylvania
National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST)
National Institutes of Health Human Genome Research Institute
National Law Enforcement and Security Institute
National Military Command Center
National Reconnaissance Office
National Response Center
National Science Foundation Division of Civil and Mechanical Systems
National Security Agency
National Transportation Safety Board
National Wrecking
Natural Hazards Research and Applications Information Center
New Jersey State Police
New York City Department of Buildings WTC Task Force
New York City Department of Design and Construction
New York City Department of Environmental Protection
New York City Office of Emergency Management
New York City Office of the Chief Medical Examiner
New York City Police Department Aviation Unit
New York City Police Department Emergency Services Unit
New York Daily News
New York Flight Control Center
New York Newsday
New York Port Authority Construction Board
New York Port Authority Police
New York State Emergency Management Office
New York State Police Forensic Services
New York Times
North American Aerospace Defense Command
Northeast Air Defense Sector Commanders and crew
Numerous bomb-sniffing dogs
Numerous Forensic Anthropologists
Numerous Forensic Dentists
Numerous Forensic Pathologists
Numerous Forensic Radiologists
NuStats
Occupational Safety and Health Administration
Office of Emergency Preparedness
Office of Strategic Services
Orchid Cellmark
Parsons Brinckerhoff Engineering
Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection
Pennsylvania Department of Health and Human Services
Pennsylvania Region 13 Metropolitan Medical Response Group
Pennsylvania State Funeral Directors Association
Pennsylvania State Police
Pentagon Defense Protective Service
Pentagon Helicopter Crash Response Team
Pentagon Medical Staff
Pentagon Renovation Team
Phillips & Jordan, Inc.
Port of New York and New Jersey Authority
Pro-Safety Services
Protec
Public Entity Risk Institute
Purdue University Engineering Dept.
Robert Silman Associates Structural Engineers
Rolf Jensen & Associates, Inc
Rosenwasser/Grossman Consulting Engineers
Royal SunAlliance/Royal Indemnity
SACE Prime Power Assessment Teams
SACE Structural Safety Engineers and Debris Planning and Response Teams
Salvation Army Disaster Services
several EPA Hazmat Teams
several FBI Hazmat Teams
several Federal Disaster Medical Assistance Teams
several Federal Disaster Mortuary (DMORT) Teams
Severud Associates Consulting Engineers
Shanksville Volunteer Fire Company
Silverstein Properties
Simpson Gumpertz & Heger Engineers
Skidmore, Owings & Merrill LLP
Skilling Ward Magnusson Barkshire
Society of Fire Protection Engineers
Somerset Ambulance Association
Somerset County Coroner's Office
Somerset County Emergency Management Agency
Somerset Volunteer Fire Department
St. Paul/Travelers Insurance
State of Pennsylvania Emergency Management Agency
Stoystown Volunteer Fire Company
Structural Engineering Institute of the American Society of Civil Engineers (SEI/ASCE)
Structural Engineers Association of New York
Superstructures Engineering
Swiss Re America Insurance
Telephone operators who took calls from passengers in the hijacked planes
Teng & Associates
Thornton-Tomasetti Group, Inc.
TIG Insurance
Tokio Marine & Fire
Transportation Safety Administration
Tully Construction
Twin City Fire Insurance
Tylk Gustafson Reckers Wilson Andrews Engineering
U.S. Army Corps of Engineers
Underwriters Laboratories
Union Wrecking
United Airlines
United States Air National Guard
United States Fire Administration
United States Secret Service
United Steelworkers of America
University of Sheffield Fire Engineering Research
US Army Reserves of Virginia Beach Fairfax County and Montgomery County
US Army’s Communications-Electronics Command
US Department of Defense
US Department of Justice
US Department of State
Virginia Beach Fire Department
Virginia Department of Emergency Management
Virginia State Police
Vollmer Associates Engineers
Washington Post
Weeks Marine
Weidlinger Associates
Weiskopf & Pickworth Engineering
Westmoreland County Emergency Management Agency
Whitney Contracting
Willis Group Holdings
WJE Structural Engineers
Worcester Polytechnic Institute
World Trade Center security staff
XL Insurance
Yonkers Contracting
York International
Zurich Financial
Zurich Re Risk Engineering

You're leaving me out and all of the other dis-in-fo-a-gent-s. I demand recognition for keeping the re-investigation at bay.

 

[DiveCon]

his argument is not that the secret service did not do their job, he is arguing that they knew it was an inside job and so had no fears of any attack on the president.

ahhhh.... Ok....

So we just add the secret service to the list of the thousands and thousands of people that are "in on it" and still have not squealed.

1,500 people who worked the flight 93 crash scene
40,000 people who worked the piles at ground zero
55 fbi evidence response teams at fresh kills in new york
7,000+ fbi agents
8,000+ people who worked the scene at the pentagon
ace bermuda insurance
aemc construction
aig insurance
air traffic control system command center in washington
alexandria va fire & rescue
allianz global risks
american airlines
american concrete institute
american institute of steel construction
american red cross
applied biosystems inc.
Applied research associates
arlington county emergency medical services
arlington county fire department
arlington county sheriff's department
arlington va police department
armed forces institute of pathology
armed forces institute of technology federal advisory committee
arup usa
atlantic heydt inc.
Bechtel
berlin fire department
big apple wrecking
blanford & co.
Bode technology group
bovis inc.
Building and construction trades council
bureau of alcohol tobacco and firearms
c-130h crew in d.c. & shanksville
cal berkeley engineering dept.
California incident management team
carter burgess engineering
celera genomics
centers for disease control
central city fire department
central intelligence agency
cleveland airport control tower
columbia university department of civil engineering and engineering mechanics
congressional joint intelligence committee
consolidated edison company
construction technologies laboratory
controlled demolitions inc.
Council on tall buildings and urban habitat
counterterrorism and security group
ctl engineering
d.h. Griffin wrecking co. Inc.
Desimone consulting engineers
dewhurst macfarlane &partners
disalvo ericson engineering
district of columbia fire & rescue
dod honor guard, pentagon
d'onofrio construction
e-4b national airborne operations center crews
edwards and kelcey engineering
engineering systems, inc.
Environmental protection agency
exponent failure analysis associates
eyp mission criticalfacilities
fairfax county fire & rescue
falcon 20 crew in pa
family members who received calls from victims on the planes
fbi evidence recovery teams
federal aviation administration
federal bureau of investigation
federal emergency management agency
federal insurance co.
Fema 68-person urban search and rescue teams: Arizona task force 1, california task force 1, california task force 3, california task force 7, colorado task force 1, fairfax task force 1, florida task force 1, florida task force 2, maryland task force 1, massachusetts task force 1, metro dade/miami, nebraska task force 1, new mexico task force 1, new york task force 1, pennsylvania task force 1, tennessee task force 1, texas task force 1, utah task force 1, virginia task force 1, virginia task force 2, washington task force 1
fema disaster field office
fema emergency response team
fema urban search and rescue incident support team-advanced 3
fire department of new york
fort myer fire department
french urban search & rescue task force
friedens volunteer fire department
gateway demolition
gene code forensics
georgia tech engineering dept.
Gilsanz murray steficek llp
gmac financing
goldstein associates consulting engineers
guy nordenson associates
haks engineers
hampton-clarke inc.
Hhs national medical response team
hlw international engineering
hooversville rescue squad.
Hooversville volunteer fire department
hoy structural services
hughes associates, inc
hugo neu schnitzer east
hundreds of ironworkers, some of whom built the wtc
hundreds of new york city police department detectives
industrial risk insurers
institute for civil infrastructure systems
international association of fire chiefs
international union of operating engineers locals 14 & 15
j.r. Harris & company
johnstown-cambria county airport authority
karl koch steel consulting inc.
Kce structural engineers
koch skanska
koutsoubis, alonso associates
laboratory corp. Of america
lamont-doherty earth observatory
leslie e. Robertson associates
liro engineering
listie volunteer fire company
lockwood consulting
m.g. Mclaren engineering
masonry society
mazzocchi wrecking inc.
Metal management northeast
metropolitan airport authority fire unit
miami-dade urban search & rescue
military district of washington search & rescue team
montgomery county fire & rescue
mueser rutledge consulting engineers
murray engineering
myriad genetic laboratories inc.
National center for biotechnology informatics
national commission on terrorist attacks upon the united states
national council of structural engineers associations
national disaster medical system
national emergency numbering association
national fire protection association
national guard in d.c., new york, and pennsylvania
national institute of standards and technology (nist)
national institutes of health human genome research institute
national law enforcement and security institute
national military command center
national reconnaissance office
national response center
national science foundation division of civil and mechanical systems
national security agency
national transportation safety board
national wrecking
natural hazards research and applications information center
new jersey state police
new york city department of buildings wtc task force
new york city department of design and construction
new york city department of environmental protection
new york city office of emergency management
new york city office of the chief medical examiner
new york city police department aviation unit
new york city police department emergency services unit
new york daily news
new york flight control center
new york newsday
new york port authority construction board
new york port authority police
new york state emergency management office
new york state police forensic services
new york times
north american aerospace defense command
northeast air defense sector commanders and crew
numerous bomb-sniffing dogs
numerous forensic anthropologists
numerous forensic dentists
numerous forensic pathologists
numerous forensic radiologists
nustats
occupational safety and health administration
office of emergency preparedness
office of strategic services
orchid cellmark
parsons brinckerhoff engineering
pennsylvania department of environmental protection
pennsylvania department of health and human services
pennsylvania region 13 metropolitan medical response group
pennsylvania state funeral directors association
pennsylvania state police
pentagon defense protective service
pentagon helicopter crash response team
pentagon medical staff
pentagon renovation team
phillips & jordan, inc.
Port of new york and new jersey authority
pro-safety services
protec
public entity risk institute
purdue university engineering dept.
Robert silman associates structural engineers
rolf jensen & associates, inc
rosenwasser/grossman consulting engineers
royal sunalliance/royal indemnity
sace prime power assessment teams
sace structural safety engineers and debris planning and response teams
salvation army disaster services
several epa hazmat teams
several fbi hazmat teams
several federal disaster medical assistance teams
several federal disaster mortuary (dmort) teams
severud associates consulting engineers
shanksville volunteer fire company
silverstein properties
simpson gumpertz & heger engineers
skidmore, owings & merrill llp
skilling ward magnusson barkshire
society of fire protection engineers
somerset ambulance association
somerset county coroner's office
somerset county emergency management agency
somerset volunteer fire department
st. Paul/travelers insurance
state of pennsylvania emergency management agency
stoystown volunteer fire company
structural engineering institute of the american society of civil engineers (sei/asce)
structural engineers association of new york
superstructures engineering
swiss re america insurance
telephone operators who took calls from passengers in the hijacked planes
teng & associates
thornton-tomasetti group, inc.
Tig insurance
tokio marine & fire
transportation safety administration
tully construction
twin city fire insurance
tylk gustafson reckers wilson andrews engineering
u.s. Army corps of engineers
underwriters laboratories
union wrecking
united airlines
united states air national guard
united states fire administration
united states secret service
united steelworkers of america
university of sheffield fire engineering research
us army reserves of virginia beach fairfax county and montgomery county
us army’s communications-electronics command
us department of defense
us department of justice
us department of state
virginia beach fire department
virginia department of emergency management
virginia state police
vollmer associates engineers
washington post
weeks marine
weidlinger associates
weiskopf & pickworth engineering
westmoreland county emergency management agency
whitney contracting
willis group holdings
wje structural engineers
worcester polytechnic institute
world trade center security staff
xl insurance
yonkers contracting
york international
zurich financial
zurich re risk engineering

you're leaving me out and all of the other dis-in-fo-a-gent-s. I demand recognition for keeping the re-investigation at bay.

lol

 

[Fizz]

i didnt make up the list and the secret service was already on it..... but i think you get my point.