lets hear it for those tax cuts

DKSuddeth

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Tax Fairness? Forget About It

If you have any doubt that the U.S. is being run by louts and hypocrites, I suggest you page through the new book Perfectly Legal: The Covert Campaign to Rig Our Tax System to Benefit the Super Rich -- and Cheat Everyone Else (Portfolio, $25.95). In it, David Cay Johnston, a Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter for The New York Times, makes a powerful case that since 1980, Congress and successive Presidents -- politicians of every stripe -- have deliberately undermined the fairness of the tax system. It is biased to favor big companies and a few superrich individuals, Johnston claims.


The book also offers a warning that should alarm just about every BusinessWeek Online reader: Unless the tax system is rejiggered, any American who makes $50,000 to $500,000 a year is going to get hurt. Remember those huge tax cuts rammed through by the Bush Administration over the last three years? Most -- and in some cases all -- of the benefits are likely to be eaten up by new taxes, Johnston asserts, even if the official tax rate isn't raised.


People making less than $50,000 won't be spared, either. Besides, most of them are already being pinched -- especially if they're a member of the working poor or head of a family with heavy medical expenses or many children, he adds.


PARALLEL CODE. At the same time, the tax burden on the wealthy has plunged. People in the top fifth of the income scale now pay only 19% in taxes -- and that figure takes into account state, federal, sales, property, and all other levies. The poorest fifth of Americans pay 18%. The people in the middle -- the other three-fifths -- presumably pay considerably more (I certainly do), though Johnston doesn't give a specific number. He points out that the only ones who pay less are scofflaws, whose numbers are soaring.


How did America come to this pass? Much of Johnston's tale is familiar. Big cuts in dividend and capital-gains taxes have mainly benefited the wealthy, and powerful corporations have slashed their tax burdens (illegally, in cases like Enron and Tyco). Meanwhile, 90% of the population saw earnings drop 25% from 1970 to 2000.


Far more surprising is the pattern Johnston documents in largely overlooked changes in income tax and Social Security (news - web sites) rules. Politicians of both parties have consistently stuck it to average taxpayers, usually while loudly proclaiming that they're cutting taxes.


SOCIAL INSECURITY. The big bogeyman for middle- and upper-middle-class Americans is going to be the alternative minimum tax (AMT). Added to the tax code in 1969, this is a sort of parallel code with its own rates and tough rules limiting what can be deducted. The AMT was originally intended to make sure the very wealthy didn't avoid paying taxes entirely. The AMT never achieved that goal -- the superrich have clever advisers who are always two or three steps ahead of the IRS -- but it has gradually ensnared more and more average Americans, ratcheting their taxes upward.


It's a prime example of how government rarely ever really cuts taxes for anyone but the rich and powerful. Because the Bush tax cuts didn't include any provisions to rein in the AMT, the U.S. Treasury Dept. predicts that the number of households paying it will soar from 1.3 million in 2000 to 35.6 million by 2010. By then, 30.4% of all taxpayers will be paying the alternative tax, estimates the Tax Policy Center, and it will add an average of $3,751 annually to their tax bill.


Typically, the wealthy will get the best break: Only 24.3% of people making over $1 million will pay the tax by 2010, the Tax Policy Center estimates.


BIGGEST HIT. Politicians -- mainly Democrats in this case -- have similarly gamed the Social Security system. Its taxes have soared because of changes made in the early 1980s that were supposed to keep the system solvent. Johnston calculates that from 1984 to 2002, the government collected $1.7 trillion more in Social Security taxes than it paid out. The extra money was supposed to go into a fund to help pay for baby boomers' retirements but instead was simply dumped into general revenue -- another way of saying it was used to fund tax cuts for the wealthy.


As a result, Social Security is now the main tax paid by most average Americans. The maximum tax has soared, from $327 in 1970 to $5,400 in 2003 -- and you have to make only $87,000 to get hit by the maximum. Three-quarters of all households now pay more in Social Security taxes than in income taxes.


Worse, the original purpose of the tax -- to protect the poor from destitution in old age -- has been lost. Shamefully, the Democrat-controlled Congress dropped the minimum benefit for the poor in the early 1980s as a cost-saving measure.


RAMPANT CHEATING. Equally shameful is the way conservative Republicans have gutted the IRS. No one much likes the IRS, but it's a necessary evil because tax cheats basically just take money out of the pockets of honest people who pay. Unfortunately, the Republican Congress doesn't see it that way. It has repeatedly scored political points by hammering the IRS and slashing its budget. As a result, while the number of tax returns filed increased by nearly 50% from 1988 to 2002, the number of IRS auditors plunged 30%, to 11,500.


Little wonder that cheating is rampant. Partly because of mismanagement and partly because of budget cuts, the IRS doesn't have the computers and knowhow to go after the complicated offshore trusts, partnerships, and other scams the wealthy use to avoid taxes. And new rules passed by Congress in the late 1990s require that any IRS employee accused of certain infractions go through an administrative hearing and face mandatory firing if found guilty. This is a good reform in theory, but in practice it has allowed tax cheats to tie auditors up in red tape or intimidate them with threats of a complaint.


More and more people are simply refusing to pay income taxes -- and few, if any of them, are being punished. An IRS internal report found that in 2002 "at least 152,000 Americans filed bogus tax returns stating they owed no taxes or even seeking money back from the government under a variety of tax evasions marketed by promoters," Johnston writes. That's 1 in 900 U.S. returns. The General Accounting office estimates that 7,500 U.S. companies now simply don't bother to withhold taxes from employees, probably as a form of tax protest.


PERUSE BEFORE VOTING. Powerful as Johnston's indictment of the tax system is, I can't recommend his book as a great read. Like many books cobbled together from newspaper articles, it's poorly organized and full of repetition and familiar material. It's also short on meaningful suggestions for reforming the system. That's too bad, because if Perfectly Legal were better done, it would be one of the most important books of recent years.


As it is, every American who wants to be well-informed before voting this fall should at least slog through the key chapters. Flawed as it is, this is a seminal book about some of the most important issues facing the nation.
 
Very interesting article. IMO, if you want to make the tax system fair, it would look like this:

1. All individual income would be taxed at one rate - around 15-20%.
2. All income earned up to the poverty level (for either a single or married person) would be exempted from income taxation.
3. Each child, up to 4, would give you a $1,000 tax credit (i.e. an additional $1,000 would be exempted from taxation).
4. There would be no other exemptions, save for the present interest-on-mortgage exemption.
5. SS/Medicare taxes would be paid on all income (i.e. no $87K limit).

This would ensure fair taxation, because everyone would pay the same rate. It would also lower many people's tax bills, giving Americans more money, which in turn stimulates the economy, creating more jobs, etc. etc. While I'm sure that everyone would complain about "a huge tax cut for the rich," the end result is that everyone is taxed exactly the same.

I don't have a corporate tax reform plan yet. Tune in next week! :D
 
Time to make the tax system fair by having a flat tax. Anything else is unfair, period! Because I am good at what I do, hard working, and have prospered, why should I be punished for this by paying a higher tax rate. We all have the same opportunities available so we should all pay the same rate !!!!
 
Originally posted by eric
Time to make the tax system fair by having a flat tax. Anything else is unfair, period! Because I am good at what I do, hard working, and have prospered, why should I be punished for this by paying a higher tax rate. We all have the same opportunities available so we should all pay the same rate !!!!

I'm with you on this one Eric. I'll go one further, I don't think we need to be taxing corporations like we have been. What we should be doing is eliminating the loopholes and tax shelters that they have been using for years, take a fair assessment of what they WOULD be paying at that time, then readjust the rate so its fair, equal, and still doesn't put a strain on the business.
 
The only problem with a flat tax is that it would have to be extraordinarily high to be comparable to the current tax revenue, probabley 40-50%. The problem with a flat tax is that it will hurt lower income people even more. 40% is about what the middle class pays now, at least my dad does. I'm not sure where that 19% for upper income comes from. i do know, however that the richest 10% of this country pay 80% of the taxes. Remember as far as taxation goes corporations are individuals too.

Most tax cuts do favor the rich, that's true, but how exactley do you give a tax cut to the poor when, relatively speaking their hardley paying anything to begin with.

You could bring a flat tax down by eliminating SS or at least reducing it and leting people figure out how to save enough for their retirment years. Better yet, don't retire(more on this in the book "Die Broke") can't remember the author.

Assuming that 19% rate for the upper class is correct it should probably be raised a bit more, but remember they are taxed in many other ways as well. if the upper class rate rises significantly above the middle class rate it eliminates incentive to do well for many people/companies because you may wind up with a situation where they make more but take home less then if they were in the middle class.
 
Originally posted by eric
Time to make the tax system fair by having a flat tax. Anything else is unfair, period! Because I am good at what I do, hard working, and have prospered, why should I be punished for this by paying a higher tax rate. We all have the same opportunities available so we should all pay the same rate !!!!

I totally agree Eric, unfortunately there are people who will say you have prospered on the backs of working people and it is only fair that you be taxed higher to give back to less priveleged people.
 
Originally posted by MtnBiker
I totally agree Eric, unfortunately there are people who will say you have prospered on the backs of working people and it is only fair that you be taxed higher to give back to less priveleged people.
I would bet that in exchange for the amount of money we spend on the IRS and tax policing, we could give the poor an awful lot of benefit.

I have been in favor of a flat tax for years...basically I would pay more if I earned more but my rate would be the same. I don't think there should be any deductions...that would take too much paperwork and man hours to police. If you earn it, you pay it.
 
you have prospered on the backs of working people

You are right, they will. What they fail to realize is that many times I work more than the people I employ. I kid you not, the other day I started working at 5:30am and did not get done till 11:00pm, and this is not uncommon for me. Believe it or not I really do like to work ! Also keep in mind I worked my way up, I was not handed anything !:)
 
I agree, Eric. People who work for themselves tend to put in a lot more hours than those who punch a timeclock, grab their coats, and leave at the end of their shift.
 
Originally posted by Bern80
The only problem with a flat tax is that it would have to be extraordinarily high to be comparable to the current tax revenue, probabley 40-50%. The problem with a flat tax is that it will hurt lower income people even more. 40% is about what the middle class pays now, at least my dad does. I'm not sure where that 19% for upper income comes from. i do know, however that the richest 10% of this country pay 80% of the taxes. Remember as far as taxation goes corporations are individuals too.

Most tax cuts do favor the rich, that's true, but how exactley do you give a tax cut to the poor when, relatively speaking their hardley paying anything to begin with.

You could bring a flat tax down by eliminating SS or at least reducing it and leting people figure out how to save enough for their retirment years. Better yet, don't retire(more on this in the book "Die Broke") can't remember the author.

Assuming that 19% rate for the upper class is correct it should probably be raised a bit more, but remember they are taxed in many other ways as well. if the upper class rate rises significantly above the middle class rate it eliminates incentive to do well for many people/companies because you may wind up with a situation where they make more but take home less then if they were in the middle class.

Bern, ever heard of the Laffer curve? It's an upside-down parabola that allows one to estimate the tax rate at which maximum tax revenue would be generated. Most economists think that this rate is around 15-20%. Taxing at a stifling 40-50% tax rate would discourage people from working to suceed, and would break the back of the economy. And the upper tax bracket is not 19%, it's more like 36%.
And why raise taxes on the upper class? The whole point of the flat tax is to tax everyone at the same rate, regardless of income. That is the most fair tax system.
 
Originally posted by DKSuddeth
I'm with you on this one Eric. I'll go one further, I don't think we need to be taxing corporations like we have been. What we should be doing is eliminating the loopholes and tax shelters that they have been using for years, take a fair assessment of what they WOULD be paying at that time, then readjust the rate so its fair, equal, and still doesn't put a strain on the business.

DK - I absolutely agree. Let's tax businesses at a fair rate (maybe 25% of profits?) that will encourage businesses to grow, not punish them for growing. :beer:
 

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