Let's Give Terrorists a Podium

[WillowTree]

seriously. If this were not on the internet these people would have already lynched these sand ******* by now.

You are an idiot.

no, you are a ******* idiot. See how silly your post is?

no, shogun, this time you are the idiot, bonafide and certified.. I'm so sorry for you and your terrorists friends but that's just the way it is, playing politics with dead Americans ain't cool.

 

[nodoginnafight]

Yeah, people really started flocking to the Manson family after Charlie got his chance at a "podium" during his trial didn't they?

The notion that people will get sucked into a terrorist mentailty because of a public trial is absurd.

If we don't adhere to our constitution, then the terrorists win. It was their goal to use fear to undermine our values. Show a little backbone and we can prove to them that we can defeat them without casting aside those ideals and principles that make America a beacon among nations.

 

[WillowTree]

Indeed, the outcome has already been determined. and yes, letting them speak even though they won't sway anyone is exactly why out culture is superior to theirs. As long as you keep acting like they do then there is no real distinction between us and them. But hey, let me waterboard your agreement out of you and you'll understand.


and, i hate to break it to you, dummy, but a terrorist is going to react regardless of what we do to KSM. Troops won't all of a sudden start dying because we allowed labeled terrorists to speak on their own behalf. The idea of such is three shades of retarded. Again, sounds like you just don't want the general public to hear something which might cause more questions than a bullet to the back of the head would have allowed.

What a load of crap. If, as you say, the outcome of the trial is predetermined, then this farce is exactly what I said, a political show designed to do nothing more that bring back the dreaded Bush boogie man in order to try to save a few Democrat congressional seats in 2010. The fact that you know it's predetermined and still push for the show either makes you a tool or a fool. Your choice.
And please, will you really debase yourself by pretending that you don't know that KSM's desire is to increase Muslim outrage and recruit a few more terrorists for jihad? Nick Berg paid for the release of the Abu Graib photos and someone will pay for this. There will be nothing come out at this trial that the general public hasn't already heard. This farce will just stir the pot to try to ratchet up a little more outrage at those mean Republicans and take the focus off of double digit unemployment.

If anything THIS will allow us to retain even the slightest bit of validity and integrity regarding our legal system even if we've already accepted a predetermined result of the trial. If you would rather sweep everything under a nice rug then feel free to vote Ollie North for President in '12. Hopefully, the irony is not lost on those paying attention.

Again, the SHOW, as you put it, illustrates the superiority of our system versus theirs; one that is ironically mimicked in your solution to red stamp convictions. Pretending that terrorism all of a sudden becomes lethal because muslims are allowed to defend themselves outside of a closed room kangaroo court is just asinine. You can't predict what will or won't be said at this trial. But, your fervor in trying to mute the accuses speaks volumes about what length you'll go to keep mum anything that is not politically prudent.

Hell, that you seem to think this is some giant conspiracy meant to redirect attention from unemployment, as if the unemployed will forget that they are out of work, is three shades of ******* retarded and conveys just how desperate your kind is to polish the turd of your last pair of presidential votes.

too bad for you that half of us in the US still care about legal standards outside of back room bullets and red tape trials.

Oh **** yeah,, I'm impressed and I'm sure the rest of the world will fall down in adoration and kiss your leftist ass for a judical system the presumes guilt and assures us of execution before a jury has even been picked.. that's the way the taliban does business.. that your new organization? the taliban?

 

[Vel]

Indeed, the outcome has already been determined. and yes, letting them speak even though they won't sway anyone is exactly why out culture is superior to theirs. As long as you keep acting like they do then there is no real distinction between us and them. But hey, let me waterboard your agreement out of you and you'll understand.


and, i hate to break it to you, dummy, but a terrorist is going to react regardless of what we do to KSM. Troops won't all of a sudden start dying because we allowed labeled terrorists to speak on their own behalf. The idea of such is three shades of retarded. Again, sounds like you just don't want the general public to hear something which might cause more questions than a bullet to the back of the head would have allowed.

What a load of crap. If, as you say, the outcome of the trial is predetermined, then this farce is exactly what I said, a political show designed to do nothing more that bring back the dreaded Bush boogie man in order to try to save a few Democrat congressional seats in 2010. The fact that you know it's predetermined and still push for the show either makes you a tool or a fool. Your choice.
And please, will you really debase yourself by pretending that you don't know that KSM's desire is to increase Muslim outrage and recruit a few more terrorists for jihad? Nick Berg paid for the release of the Abu Graib photos and someone will pay for this. There will be nothing come out at this trial that the general public hasn't already heard. This farce will just stir the pot to try to ratchet up a little more outrage at those mean Republicans and take the focus off of double digit unemployment.

If anything THIS will allow us to retain even the slightest bit of validity and integrity regarding our legal system even if we've already accepted a predetermined result of the trial. If you would rather sweep everything under a nice rug then feel free to vote Ollie North for President in '12. Hopefully, the irony is not lost on those paying attention.

Again, the SHOW, as you put it, illustrates the superiority of our system versus theirs; one that is ironically mimicked in your solution to red stamp convictions. Pretending that terrorism all of a sudden becomes lethal because muslims are allowed to defend themselves outside of a closed room kangaroo court is just asinine. You can't predict what will or won't be said at this trial. But, your fervor in trying to mute the accuses speaks volumes about what length you'll go to keep mum anything that is not politically prudent.

Hell, that you seem to think this is some giant conspiracy meant to redirect attention from unemployment, as if the unemployed will forget that they are out of work, is three shades of ******* retarded and conveys just how desperate your kind is to polish the turd of your last pair of presidential votes.

too bad for you that half of us in the US still care about legal standards outside of back room bullets and red tape trials.

Oh please, we know exactly what is going to come out at trial. The same things that we've already heard. Mean ole Bush waterboarded me. They said they'd kill my children. They wouldn't let me sleep. They made me listen to Barry Manilow. Blah, blah, blah. I think we all know that "enhanced interrogation methods" were used. The only thing new to the public that is liable to come out at trial are the programs our intelligence agencies use to thwart terrorist plots. We'll just hand our playbook to the jihadi's. And there is nothing in this farce that shows U.S. court superiority. Military tribunals allow for a full defense. JUst admit it, you don't care about the legal standards here, you just want to watch the spectacle. And if you really don't think that this is a deflection away from current Obama policies and their results in order to save the 2010 elections, then may I offer you a beautiful bridge in New York at an awesome price.

 

[Vel]

Yeah, people really started flocking to the Manson family after Charlie got his chance at a "podium" during his trial didn't they?

The notion that people will get sucked into a terrorist mentailty because of a public trial is absurd.

If we don't adhere to our constitution, then the terrorists win. It was their goal to use fear to undermine our values. Show a little backbone and we can prove to them that we can defeat them without casting aside those ideals and principles that make America a beacon among nations.

Can you tell us where the legal precedent to take an enemy combatant from a battlefield and try him in a U.S. court is?
And really, your statement of " The notion that people will get sucked into a terrorist mentailty because of a public trial is absurd." cracks me up. May I remind you of the number of people who died over a cartoon published
in Denmark?

 

[nodoginnafight]

What a load of crap. If, as you say, the outcome of the trial is predetermined, then this farce is exactly what I said, a political show designed to do nothing more that bring back the dreaded Bush boogie man in order to try to save a few Democrat congressional seats in 2010. The fact that you know it's predetermined and still push for the show either makes you a tool or a fool. Your choice.
And please, will you really debase yourself by pretending that you don't know that KSM's desire is to increase Muslim outrage and recruit a few more terrorists for jihad? Nick Berg paid for the release of the Abu Graib photos and someone will pay for this. There will be nothing come out at this trial that the general public hasn't already heard. This farce will just stir the pot to try to ratchet up a little more outrage at those mean Republicans and take the focus off of double digit unemployment.

If anything THIS will allow us to retain even the slightest bit of validity and integrity regarding our legal system even if we've already accepted a predetermined result of the trial. If you would rather sweep everything under a nice rug then feel free to vote Ollie North for President in '12. Hopefully, the irony is not lost on those paying attention.

Again, the SHOW, as you put it, illustrates the superiority of our system versus theirs; one that is ironically mimicked in your solution to red stamp convictions. Pretending that terrorism all of a sudden becomes lethal because muslims are allowed to defend themselves outside of a closed room kangaroo court is just asinine. You can't predict what will or won't be said at this trial. But, your fervor in trying to mute the accuses speaks volumes about what length you'll go to keep mum anything that is not politically prudent.

Hell, that you seem to think this is some giant conspiracy meant to redirect attention from unemployment, as if the unemployed will forget that they are out of work, is three shades of ******* retarded and conveys just how desperate your kind is to polish the turd of your last pair of presidential votes.

too bad for you that half of us in the US still care about legal standards outside of back room bullets and red tape trials.

Oh please, we know exactly what is going to come out at trial. The same things that we've already heard. Mean ole Bush waterboarded me. They said they'd kill my children. They wouldn't let me sleep. They made me listen to Barry Manilow. Blah, blah, blah. I think we all know that "enhanced interrogation methods" were used. The only thing new to the public that is liable to come out at trial are the programs our intelligence agencies use to thwart terrorist plots. We'll just hand our playbook to the jihadi's. And there is nothing in this farce that shows U.S. court superiority. Military tribunals allow for a full defense. JUst admit it, you don't care about the legal standards here, you just want to watch the spectacle. And if you really don't think that this is a deflection away from current Obama policies and their results in order to save the 2010 elections, then may I offer you a beautiful bridge in New York at an awesome price.

Do most people really have such an unrealistic view of our legal system? Are there those who think the words "public trial" means exposure of classified information?

Are there people who really believe that?

 

[Shogun]

You are an idiot.

no, you are a ******* idiot. See how silly your post is?

no, shogun, this time you are the idiot, bonafide and certified.. I'm so sorry for you and your terrorists friends but that's just the way it is, playing politics with dead Americans ain't cool.

Actually, the trials which seem to have your panties in an uproar is JUST THE WAY IT IS. don't bother feeling sorry for me, yo.. I'm not the one walking blindly into another phantom WMD fiasco over knee jerk reactions to standard issue talking points.

 

[rightwinger]

Yeah, people really started flocking to the Manson family after Charlie got his chance at a "podium" during his trial didn't they?

The notion that people will get sucked into a terrorist mentailty because of a public trial is absurd.

If we don't adhere to our constitution, then the terrorists win. It was their goal to use fear to undermine our values. Show a little backbone and we can prove to them that we can defeat them without casting aside those ideals and principles that make America a beacon among nations.

Can you tell us where the legal precedent to take an enemy combatant from a battlefield and try him in a U.S. court is?
And really, your statement of " The notion that people will get sucked into a terrorist mentailty because of a public trial is absurd." cracks me up. May I remind you of the number of people who died over a cartoon published
in Denmark?

The precedent is that the juristiction was in the US. US soil, US citizens killed.

In this case, the "battlefield"" is anywhere on earth.

Precedent is the 1993 World trade Center bombers

 

[nodoginnafight]

Yeah, people really started flocking to the Manson family after Charlie got his chance at a "podium" during his trial didn't they?

The notion that people will get sucked into a terrorist mentailty because of a public trial is absurd.

If we don't adhere to our constitution, then the terrorists win. It was their goal to use fear to undermine our values. Show a little backbone and we can prove to them that we can defeat them without casting aside those ideals and principles that make America a beacon among nations.

Can you tell us where the legal precedent to take an enemy combatant from a battlefield and try him in a U.S. court is?
And really, your statement of " The notion that people will get sucked into a terrorist mentailty because of a public trial is absurd." cracks me up. May I remind you of the number of people who died over a cartoon published
in Denmark?

Your first question:
Leading conservative backs N.Y. trials - Fred Barbash - POLITICO.com
provides a pretty concise layman's explanation.

As to folks dying over a cartoon in Denmark - I can give many, many examples of heinous criminals being publically tried without garnering adherents. Are you proposing that we count up all the ancedotal evidence available to determine "the truth?"

How 'bout we just stick to the Constitution. Let's not allow them to make us so afraid that we abandon it - you do realize - that's exactly what they're after.

 

[Shogun]

What a load of crap. If, as you say, the outcome of the trial is predetermined, then this farce is exactly what I said, a political show designed to do nothing more that bring back the dreaded Bush boogie man in order to try to save a few Democrat congressional seats in 2010. The fact that you know it's predetermined and still push for the show either makes you a tool or a fool. Your choice.
And please, will you really debase yourself by pretending that you don't know that KSM's desire is to increase Muslim outrage and recruit a few more terrorists for jihad? Nick Berg paid for the release of the Abu Graib photos and someone will pay for this. There will be nothing come out at this trial that the general public hasn't already heard. This farce will just stir the pot to try to ratchet up a little more outrage at those mean Republicans and take the focus off of double digit unemployment.

If anything THIS will allow us to retain even the slightest bit of validity and integrity regarding our legal system even if we've already accepted a predetermined result of the trial. If you would rather sweep everything under a nice rug then feel free to vote Ollie North for President in '12. Hopefully, the irony is not lost on those paying attention.

Again, the SHOW, as you put it, illustrates the superiority of our system versus theirs; one that is ironically mimicked in your solution to red stamp convictions. Pretending that terrorism all of a sudden becomes lethal because muslims are allowed to defend themselves outside of a closed room kangaroo court is just asinine. You can't predict what will or won't be said at this trial. But, your fervor in trying to mute the accuses speaks volumes about what length you'll go to keep mum anything that is not politically prudent.

Hell, that you seem to think this is some giant conspiracy meant to redirect attention from unemployment, as if the unemployed will forget that they are out of work, is three shades of ******* retarded and conveys just how desperate your kind is to polish the turd of your last pair of presidential votes.

too bad for you that half of us in the US still care about legal standards outside of back room bullets and red tape trials.

Oh **** yeah,, I'm impressed and I'm sure the rest of the world will fall down in adoration and kiss your leftist ass for a judical system the presumes guilt and assures us of execution before a jury has even been picked.. that's the way the taliban does business.. that your new organization? the taliban?

i'm not the one advocating closed room, secret courts which limit the accused from defending themselves, goofnut. That would be you.. so, your taliban accusation fails on it's face.

 

[Yurt]

I am heartened to see you for one realize what the purpose of these trails actually is.

It's not about justice.

It's not about American values.

It's not about the Constitution.

It's about how baaaaad Boooooosh and America was/is.

yep...these libs in support of the trials for this reason do not want justice for the murderers.....they really want to try bush/cheney....

that is disgusting and unamerican to use the murders like this.....

America should know what has been done in its name. That you act like a giant ***** about transparency says quite a bit about your own brand of political identity. Thankfully, you don't own a monopoly on what it means to be American and love this nation.

then put bush and cheney on trial you ignorant hack.....

murder trials are NOT political platforms as some of you terrorist loving libs would have us believe....you don't love this nation or its legal system.....you and your fellow libs who support his support it, not becuase of justice but because you want to try bush and cheney

why don't you explain to us WHY obama changed his mind on military tribunals?

 

[Yurt]

Yeah, people really started flocking to the Manson family after Charlie got his chance at a "podium" during his trial didn't they?

The notion that people will get sucked into a terrorist mentailty because of a public trial is absurd.

If we don't adhere to our constitution, then the terrorists win. It was their goal to use fear to undermine our values. Show a little backbone and we can prove to them that we can defeat them without casting aside those ideals and principles that make America a beacon among nations.

Can you tell us where the legal precedent to take an enemy combatant from a battlefield and try him in a U.S. court is?
And really, your statement of " The notion that people will get sucked into a terrorist mentailty because of a public trial is absurd." cracks me up. May I remind you of the number of people who died over a cartoon published
in Denmark?

Your first question:
Leading conservative backs N.Y. trials - Fred Barbash - POLITICO.com
provides a pretty concise layman's explanation.

As to folks dying over a cartoon in Denmark - I can give many, many examples of heinous criminals being publically tried without garnering adherents. Are you proposing that we count up all the ancedotal evidence available to determine "the truth?"

How 'bout we just stick to the Constitution. Let's not allow them to make us so afraid that we abandon it - you do realize - that's exactly what they're after.

the constitution does not guarantee them a right to a civilian criminal trial....you are grossly mistaken....

according to scotus they get a military tribunal, not a three ring circus that obama is using to try bush/cheney

 

[Shogun]

What a load of crap. If, as you say, the outcome of the trial is predetermined, then this farce is exactly what I said, a political show designed to do nothing more that bring back the dreaded Bush boogie man in order to try to save a few Democrat congressional seats in 2010. The fact that you know it's predetermined and still push for the show either makes you a tool or a fool. Your choice.
And please, will you really debase yourself by pretending that you don't know that KSM's desire is to increase Muslim outrage and recruit a few more terrorists for jihad? Nick Berg paid for the release of the Abu Graib photos and someone will pay for this. There will be nothing come out at this trial that the general public hasn't already heard. This farce will just stir the pot to try to ratchet up a little more outrage at those mean Republicans and take the focus off of double digit unemployment.

If anything THIS will allow us to retain even the slightest bit of validity and integrity regarding our legal system even if we've already accepted a predetermined result of the trial. If you would rather sweep everything under a nice rug then feel free to vote Ollie North for President in '12. Hopefully, the irony is not lost on those paying attention.

Again, the SHOW, as you put it, illustrates the superiority of our system versus theirs; one that is ironically mimicked in your solution to red stamp convictions. Pretending that terrorism all of a sudden becomes lethal because muslims are allowed to defend themselves outside of a closed room kangaroo court is just asinine. You can't predict what will or won't be said at this trial. But, your fervor in trying to mute the accuses speaks volumes about what length you'll go to keep mum anything that is not politically prudent.

Hell, that you seem to think this is some giant conspiracy meant to redirect attention from unemployment, as if the unemployed will forget that they are out of work, is three shades of ******* retarded and conveys just how desperate your kind is to polish the turd of your last pair of presidential votes.

too bad for you that half of us in the US still care about legal standards outside of back room bullets and red tape trials.

Oh please, we know exactly what is going to come out at trial. The same things that we've already heard. Mean ole Bush waterboarded me. They said they'd kill my children. They wouldn't let me sleep. They made me listen to Barry Manilow. Blah, blah, blah. I think we all know that "enhanced interrogation methods" were used. The only thing new to the public that is liable to come out at trial are the programs our intelligence agencies use to thwart terrorist plots. We'll just hand our playbook to the jihadi's. And there is nothing in this farce that shows U.S. court superiority. Military tribunals allow for a full defense. JUst admit it, you don't care about the legal standards here, you just want to watch the spectacle. And if you really don't think that this is a deflection away from current Obama policies and their results in order to save the 2010 elections, then may I offer you a beautiful bridge in New York at an awesome price.

Indeed, we do know.. which is a sad statement about the nature of how swayable our legal system is. But, even so, transparency will preserve what little integrity our system has even if your kind would rather set it all on fire just to keep everything nice and quiet.

and, if you are too stupid to fathom how America will respond to testimony regarding Barry Manilow music then.. well.. feel free to keep crying that the sky is falling.


yea, "full defense even though we are still going to hang your ass" sure does sound like something to brag about! Again, maybe you can castro can go share a box of rounds to deal with uncomfortable accusations of prisoners. I assure you, your less than stellar assumptions about my position on this issue speaks volumes about the ignorance found in flag-draped "with us or against us" mentalities of your kind.

 

[WillowTree]

no, you are a ******* idiot. See how silly your post is?

no, shogun, this time you are the idiot, bonafide and certified.. I'm so sorry for you and your terrorists friends but that's just the way it is, playing politics with dead Americans ain't cool.

Actually, the trials which seem to have your panties in an uproar is JUST THE WAY IT IS. don't bother feeling sorry for me, yo.. I'm not the one walking blindly into another phantom WMD fiasco over knee jerk reactions to standard issue talking points.

this time I stand with the majority. The majority of Americans think holder and the obamalama are asswipes.. they don't like this and neither do I.. well good luck to you terrorist lovers.. we wish you the best.

 

[007]

******* right wingnut pussies

Afraid of what a terrorist might say

When are you guys going to grow a set of balls???

so then you have no problem with these "trials" being used a propaganda platforms by terrorists.....no one is afraid of what they are going to say, its already been said by others.....but for you to condone the use of courts as a platform for terrorists to lambast america is one of the most stupid and unamerican positions anyone can take....

the courts are for justice, but to liberals like you, they are great platforms for terrorists to denounce america.....

pathetic

******* rightwing pussies..

Not only do you deny them lawyers, the right to face their accusers, the right to see the evedence against them...

Now you want to deny them the right to even speak

Tell that shit to the families of all those who lost loved ones when the twin towers collapsed you *******, filthy, anti American, piece of rabid, liberal, terrorist coddling, dog shit, and see how long you keep your rotting teeth in your face.

*****... phht... you couldn't make a pimple on a conservatives ass you pathetic, *******, clown.

 

[Yurt]

If anything THIS will allow us to retain even the slightest bit of validity and integrity regarding our legal system even if we've already accepted a predetermined result of the trial. If you would rather sweep everything under a nice rug then feel free to vote Ollie North for President in '12. Hopefully, the irony is not lost on those paying attention.

Again, the SHOW, as you put it, illustrates the superiority of our system versus theirs; one that is ironically mimicked in your solution to red stamp convictions. Pretending that terrorism all of a sudden becomes lethal because muslims are allowed to defend themselves outside of a closed room kangaroo court is just asinine. You can't predict what will or won't be said at this trial. But, your fervor in trying to mute the accuses speaks volumes about what length you'll go to keep mum anything that is not politically prudent.

Hell, that you seem to think this is some giant conspiracy meant to redirect attention from unemployment, as if the unemployed will forget that they are out of work, is three shades of ******* retarded and conveys just how desperate your kind is to polish the turd of your last pair of presidential votes.

too bad for you that half of us in the US still care about legal standards outside of back room bullets and red tape trials.

Oh **** yeah,, I'm impressed and I'm sure the rest of the world will fall down in adoration and kiss your leftist ass for a judical system the presumes guilt and assures us of execution before a jury has even been picked.. that's the way the taliban does business.. that your new organization? the taliban?

i'm not the one advocating closed room, secret courts which limit the accused from defending themselves, goofnut. That would be you.. so, your taliban accusation fails on it's face.

you may not be....but obama has and the scotus has....you're so ignorant on this topic it is appalling

next

 

[nodoginnafight]

I don't know about "libs," but I support the Constitutional principle at stake. And I'm not afraid of terrorists. We don't have to toss aside the Constitution to kick their a$$es imho.

If we cast aside our values and our principles because they've scared us silly, they win.

The Constitution dictates our actions here - it's not even a close call.

 

[WillowTree]

Yeah, people really started flocking to the Manson family after Charlie got his chance at a "podium" during his trial didn't they?

The notion that people will get sucked into a terrorist mentailty because of a public trial is absurd.

If we don't adhere to our constitution, then the terrorists win. It was their goal to use fear to undermine our values. Show a little backbone and we can prove to them that we can defeat them without casting aside those ideals and principles that make America a beacon among nations.

Can you tell us where the legal precedent to take an enemy combatant from a battlefield and try him in a U.S. court is?
And really, your statement of " The notion that people will get sucked into a terrorist mentailty because of a public trial is absurd." cracks me up. May I remind you of the number of people who died over a cartoon published
in Denmark?

The precedent is that the juristiction was in the US. US soil, US citizens killed.

In this case, the "battlefield"" is anywhere on earth.

Precedent is the 1993 World trade Center bombers

They also bombed the Pentagon.. which is MILI FUKIN TARY,, so we must need TWO TRIALS one for the civies and one for the MILITATRY bombing the PENTAGON is an ACT OF WAR.

 

[Yurt]

I don't know about "libs," but I support the Constitutional principle at stake. And I'm not afraid of terrorists. We don't have to toss aside the Constitution to kick their a$$es imho.

If we cast aside our values and our principles because they've scared us silly, they win.

The Constitution dictates our actions here - it's not even a close call.

the constitution does not give them a right to a civilian criminal trial.....they have a right to military tribunals....you are flat out wrong

both scotus and obama have said this....

why don't you stop posting ignorant drivel and learn something

 

[blu]

willowtree, being serious here. do you have that little faith in the american way of doing things / foreign policy that if a 9/11 conspirator starts talking shit about the previously mentioned things that suddenly people are going to take up arms agains the country? you do realize anything they may say has already been said in numerous places, including a large number of published boosk read by thousands (millions?) of people across the USA already?