Let us argue about abortion

[yidnar]

i bet zero minds are changed in this debate....Zero.

I did not use the word debate, did I?

What do you think about the tactic of admitting defeat to pro lifers and siding with the eugenicists who want to improve the human race by killing undesirables?

The pro-life people want the fetus to be considered a person under the law.

we want it to get at least as much fair treatment as libbs give to tree frogs.

 

[NYcarbineer]

I did not use the word debate, did I?

What do you think about the tactic of admitting defeat to pro lifers and siding with the eugenicists who want to improve the human race by killing undesirables?

The pro-life people want the fetus to be considered a person under the law.

The wacky left wants bacteria considered a person under the law, what's your point?

Do you disagree with what I said?

 

[Antares]

I didn't just mean life or death situations, I meant her life in general, her overall health, emotionally, financially, etc.

Then its not really about her health, its about her convenience as has been stated.

 

[Antares]

Well a fetus IS a human or it couldn't be IN a human.

Shouldn't you be on Salon arguing with the person who actually expressed the opinions?

Do you have any evidence I am not?

The fact that you want someone to play the role of salon whoever over here.

I'll argue with you. You invented a false premise, i.e., that if someone agrees that the fetus is human life they have agreed with the pro-lifers.

 

[AmyNation]

I didn't just mean life or death situations, I meant her life in general, her overall health, emotionally, financially, etc.

Then its not really about her health, its about her convenience as has been stated.

As someone said earlier, most abortions don't happen for the life of the mother, or because of rape/incest. Most women who have abortions are young single mothers who fully understand what the life they carry will develop into.

 

[NYcarbineer]

There is no one single established definition of human life that translates into qualifying that life for full rights, protections, and privileges under the law.

Two cells of human DNA might be 'human life' from a genotypical perspective, but most normal people can comprehend the profound phenotypical difference between a zygote and you or me.

 

[Luissa]

I think discussing the value of life is difficult, the article is right, pro-choice people( at least the honest ones) understand that a fetus is a human life, they(me included) simply place more value on the mothers life, than the fetus'.

If you were honest you would admit you place more value on the mother's convenience than the child's life.

Want to try for real honesty, or are you going to try and lie your way through this by claiming all abortions occur because the mother will die without it?

NO she won't...But it is none of your business why a woman decides to have an abortion, and you have no clue why they make it or how it effects them. It is their choice, and their burden to live with. Roe V Wade won't be over turned. So just continue to sit in judgement of things you don't understand and argue something that you will never change......

 

[Lakhota]

Daily Beast Readers Share Their Stories About Abortion - The Daily Beast

 

[NYcarbineer]

Well a fetus IS a human or it couldn't be IN a human.

Do you have any evidence I am not?

The fact that you want someone to play the role of salon whoever over here.

I'll argue with you. You invented a false premise, i.e., that if someone agrees that the fetus is human life they have agreed with the pro-lifers.

Do you think the judges who decided in the majority in Roe v Wade didn't realize a fetus is genotypically human?

 

[syrenn]

What have the pro abortion crowd at Slate been worrying about lately? They have decided to admit the pro life crowd is right, and declare that it doesn't matter if abortion is murder because the babies aren't important.

Here’s the complicated reality in which we live: All life is not equal. That’s a difficult thing for liberals like me to talk about, lest we wind up looking like death-panel-loving, kill-your-grandma-and-your-precious-baby storm troopers. Yet a fetus can be a human life without having the same rights as the woman in whose body it resides. She’s the boss. Her life and what is right for her circumstances and her health should automatically trump the rights of the non-autonomous entity inside of her. Always.

So what if abortion ends life? - Salon.com

all cells are alive.....


not all cells are a life of their own......

 

[whitehall]

What have the pro abortion crowd at Slate been worrying about lately? They have decided to admit the pro life crowd is right, and declare that it doesn't matter if abortion is murder because the babies aren't important.

Here’s the complicated reality in which we live: All life is not equal. That’s a difficult thing for liberals like me to talk about, lest we wind up looking like death-panel-loving, kill-your-grandma-and-your-precious-baby storm troopers. Yet a fetus can be a human life without having the same rights as the woman in whose body it resides. She’s the boss. Her life and what is right for her circumstances and her health should automatically trump the rights of the non-autonomous entity inside of her. Always.

So what if abortion ends life? - Salon.com

A woman is the boss of her own body for sure but how does that translate to government support with taxpayer dollars of an industry dedicated to killing the unborn? Pay for it yourself or cherish the life within you. That's all conservatives ask.

 

[g5000]

I didn't just mean life or death situations, I meant her life in general, her overall health, emotionally, financially, etc.

Inconvenience does not trump anyone's life.

Can I off my parents if they get so sick that caring for them deeply impacts me financially and emotionally?

What if I have a kid who gets in an accident and is crippled? Can I kill him if it impacts me emotionally and financially?


These questions illustrate the value of the life of a fetus has absolutely nothing to do with the mother's inconvenience. That argument is a bogus excuse. The truth is that the unborn are not considered as valuable as any other human being.

 

[syrenn]

I think discussing the value of life is difficult, the article is right, pro-choice people( at least the honest ones) understand that a fetus is a human life, they(me included) simply place more value on the mothers life, than the fetus'.

If you were honest you would admit you place more value on the mother's convenience than the child's life.

Want to try for real honesty, or are you going to try and lie your way through this by claiming all abortions occur because the mother will die without it?

it makes no difference WHY any woman wants an abortion. Its her body and her business if she wants to be an incubator.

 

[Luissa]

I think discussing the value of life is difficult, the article is right, pro-choice people( at least the honest ones) understand that a fetus is a human life, they(me included) simply place more value on the mothers life, than the fetus'.

If you were honest you would admit you place more value on the mother's convenience than the child's life.

Want to try for real honesty, or are you going to try and lie your way through this by claiming all abortions occur because the mother will die without it?

it makes no difference WHY any woman wants an abortion. Its her body and her business if she wants to be an incubator.

That's the part they don't understand. It is none of their business as to why a woman would want one. We don't care if they judge us. It is our choice and we are the ones who have to deal with it all. It is easy to judge something we know nothing about.

 

[AmyNation]

I didn't just mean life or death situations, I meant her life in general, her overall health, emotionally, financially, etc.

Inconvenience does not trump anyone's life.

Can I off my parents if they get so sick that caring for them deeply impacts me financially and emotionally?

What if I have a kid who gets in an accident and is crippled? Can I kill him if it impacts me emotionally and financially?


These questions illustrate the value of the life of a fetus has absolutely nothing to do with the mother's inconvenience. That argument is a bogus excuse. The truth is that the unborn are not considered as valuable as any other human being.

That's correct, a fetus is not considered as valuable as a human being.

 

[OODA_Loop]

it makes no difference WHY any woman wants an abortion. Its her body and her business if she wants to be an incubator.

It is not like you would want the ones that choose it, outside of forced fertilization, to be mothers anyways.

 

[g5000]

I think discussing the value of life is difficult, the article is right, pro-choice people( at least the honest ones) understand that a fetus is a human life, they(me included) simply place more value on the mothers life, than the fetus'.

If you were honest you would admit you place more value on the mother's convenience than the child's life.

Want to try for real honesty, or are you going to try and lie your way through this by claiming all abortions occur because the mother will die without it?

it makes no difference WHY any woman wants an abortion. Its her body and her business if she wants to be an incubator.

When one views the fetus as a human being, then it is their business to prevent the murder of human beings, just as it is everyone's business to outlaw all other murders.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Abortion results in a disproportionate about of black babies being killed. This is the premise of which Planned Parenthood was constructed.

 

[Luissa]

If you were honest you would admit you place more value on the mother's convenience than the child's life.

Want to try for real honesty, or are you going to try and lie your way through this by claiming all abortions occur because the mother will die without it?

it makes no difference WHY any woman wants an abortion. Its her body and her business if she wants to be an incubator.

When one views the fetus as a human being, then it is their business to prevent the murder of human beings, just as it is everyone's business to outlaw all murders.

What if one doesn't agree with gun ownership, and believes it is their business to prevent gun ownership? Guns cause death too.
Long story short...Both are rights given to use by our constitution. I don't want your guns, stay away from my right to privacy.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Abortion results in a disproportionate about of black babies being killed. This is the premise of which Planned Parenthood was constructed.

The Nazis banned abortion to increase the birthrate.