Lefty grooming outfit sends sex change kits to minors. Hide it from parents.

[Seymour Flops]

Don't disagree. Hopefully the 'stuff' will come with instructions and warnings. Kind of like when abortion became legal and women stopped dying of botched back room procedures.

What would be the instructions for breast binders that would make them healthy for an adolescent girl?

 

[ColonelAngus]

When people who regret transitioning speak out, why does the left hate on them?

Why cant they share their experience just like anyone else?

 

[alang1216]

Against grooming.

Just as I thought, you have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[westwall]

Just as I thought, you have no idea what you're talking about.

What's becoming ever more obvious is your support for pedophiles.

 

[alang1216]

Read the link, troll.

I did and don't recall anyone charged, tried, or found guilty of breaking an actual law. Just a lot of legal speculation by, seemingly, non-lawyers.

 

[alang1216]

They are sad to read:

RESULTS:
Nearly 14% of adolescents reported a previous suicide attempt; disparities by gender identity in suicide attempts were found. Female to male adolescents reported the highest rate of attempted suicide (50.8%), followed by adolescents who identified as not exclusively male or female (41.8%), male to female adolescents (29.9%), questioning adolescents (27.9%), female adolescents (17.6%), and male adolescents (9.8%). Identifying as nonheterosexual exacerbated the risk for all adolescents except for those who did not exclusively identify as male or female (ie, nonbinary). For transgender adolescents, no other sociodemographic characteristic was associated with suicide attempts.

https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article-abstract/142/4/e20174218/76767/Transgender-Adolescent-Suicide-Behavior

If the numbers seem confusing, it turns out that more than double the number of teen* males identifying as females had attempted suicide compared to the number of teen males overall (29.9% vs. "nearly 14%") and three times the number of teen* females identifying as males (50.8% vs. nearly 14%). Not much better for non-binary folk.

These kids need counseling and therapy to help them accept their bodies, just as teens with anorexia do. The Mental Health Industry should not be telling them that their body is the problem and giving them devices to disfigure themselves with.

*the ages were actually 11 to 19, but I didn't want you to be confused by the word "adolescent."

Thanks for the data. Sad but, unfortunately, not surprising. You claimed that 'high suicide rate among teen transgenders - with or without "affirming" treatments' but I don't see any confirmation of that in your link.

If "affirming" treatments lowers the suicide rate, I'd say it is a positive thing. Wouldn't you agree?

 

[alang1216]

What would be the instructions for breast binders that would make them healthy for an adolescent girl?

How do use them so they don't cause permanent damage but still make that girl less likely to commit suicide.

 

[westwall]

Thanks for the data. Sad but, unfortunately, not surprising. You claimed that 'high suicide rate among teen transgenders - with or without "affirming" treatments' but I don't see any confirmation of that in your link.

If "affirming" treatments lowers the suicide rate, I'd say it is a positive thing. Wouldn't you agree?

The actual science shows the opposite. That's why Europe is outlawing "gender affirming care". The reality is the suicide rate goes UP after the mutilation.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

How do use them so they don't cause permanent damage but still make that girl less likely to commit suicide.

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So an Ace Bandage is now a product that can be marketed as suicide prevention!

That's hilarious!




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[Seymour Flops]

Thanks for the data. Sad but, unfortunately, not surprising. You claimed that 'high suicide rate among teen transgenders - with or without "affirming" treatments' but I don't see any confirmation of that in your link.

If "affirming" treatments lowers the suicide rate, I'd say it is a positive thing. Wouldn't you agree?

"If" it did, yes. It does not:

https://assets.cureus.com/uploads/review_article/pdf/145464/20230320-3453-ngsj2.pdf

Dhejne et al. (2011) conducted a population-based matched cohort study of 324 Swedish transgender
individuals who underwent gender-affirming surgery with controls matched for age, biological sex, and who
were residing in Sweden during the time the case person underwent treatment. Immigrant status and history
of inpatient psychiatric treatment were more common among transgender individuals than controls, so
2023 Jackson et al. Cureus 15(3): e36425. DOI 10.7759/cureus.36425 7 of 16

these were covariates in the calculation of hazard ratios. The two-sided significance value was set at 0.05,
with no correction for multiple testing. The adjusted hazard ratio (aHR) of history of suicide attempt(s)
among transgender individuals who underwent gender-affirming surgery was 4.9 (95% CI, 2.9-8.5) compared
to matched controls across the entire time frame of the cohort (1973-2003). The odds of death by suicide
were higher among transgender individuals who underwent gender-affirming surgery (aHR, 19.1; 95% CI,5.8-62.9). The aHR was 7.9 (95% CI, 4.1-15.3) for the date range of 1973-1988. The aHR did not reach statistical significance for the period of 1989-2003 (aHR, 2.0; 95% CI, 0.7-5.3) [35].
Transgender women were more at risk of suicide attempt(s) than controls of either sex (aHR, 9.3; 95% CI,
4.4-19.9 for female and aHR, 10.4; 95% CI, 4.9-22.1 for male controls). Transgender men were more at risk for
suicide attempt(s) compared to male controls (aHR, 6.8; 95% CI, 2.121.6), but the comparison to female
controls did not reach statistical significance. The authors state, “[t]his suggests that male-to-females are at
higher risk for suicide attempts after sex reassignment, whereas female-to-males maintain a female pattern
of suicide attempts after sex reassignment.”

How do use them so they don't cause permanent damage but still make that girl less likely to commit suicide.

Lots to unpack in that short sentence.

First, See above. Gender "affirmation" does not prevent suicide. No study shows that it does.

Second, how confident are you on a scale of one to ten that the eleven to nineteen year-olds are going to read and follow those directions?

Third, damage done by binding the breasts of a developing preteen or early-teen girl would be permanent, no matter how it is done.

A sports bra would suffice for a smaller breasted girl, and a larger breasted girl would be disfigured by binding strong enough to hide them.

Can you explain why the obvious solution is not to tell these kids that there is no one way to be a boy or a girl, and that the path to mental health and happiness is to accept their bodies as they are?

From AI:

Here's a more detailed look at the potential long-term effects of chest binding:
Common Physical Issues:

• Skin Irritation and Rashes: Binding for extended periods can lead to skin irritation, rashes, and even sores, especially if the binder is too tight or made of materials that cause irritation.
  
  
• Back Pain: Prolonged pressure from binding can lead to back pain and potentially even changes to normal spine alignment.
  
  
• • Chest Pain: Chest pain is a common symptom of binding, especially if the binder is too tight or worn for too long.
    
  • Shortness of Breath: Binding can restrict breathing, leading to shortness of breath, especially if the binder is too tight or worn for too long.
    
  • Overheating: Binding can cause overheating, especially in warm weather, as it restricts airflow and can trap heat.
    
  • Rib Bruises or Fractures: In rare cases, improper or excessive binding can lead to rib bruising or even fractures.
    
  • Damage to Ribs: Binding can also cause damage to the ribs and chest.
    
  • Deformity of the Ribs: Long-term binding can lead to deformity of the ribs.
    
  • Breasts tissue damage: In extreme cases, breast tissue can become permanently damaged.
    
  • Lung Constriction: Unsafe binding may lead to lung constriction.
    
  • Scarring: Unsafe binding may lead to scarring.

 

[alang1216]

The actual science shows the opposite. That's why Europe is outlawing "gender affirming care". The reality is the suicide rate goes UP after the mutilation.

I think the data are complex.

You are accurate, individuals who underwent gender-affirming surgery had a 12.12-fold higher suicide attempt risk than those who did not.

On the other hand is the satisfaction rate for gender-affirming care:

Studies show transgender individuals report high satisfaction and low regret with gender-affirming care, including hormone therapy and surgery, with a large majority continuing to access care.​

Here's a more detailed breakdown:​

High Satisfaction Rates:​

Studies consistently show that transgender people who receive gender-affirming care, including hormone therapy and surgery, report high levels of satisfaction and low levels of regret.​

A recent study published in JAMA Pediatrics found that 97% of transgender youth continued to access gender-affirming medical care in the roughly 3 to 5 years since beginning treatment.​

Another study found that 88% of respondents who had at least one form of surgery for their gender identity reported being "a lot more satisfied" with their lives, and 9% reported being "a little more satisfied".​

A survey of 90,000 trans people found that 84% of people who took hormones to match their gender identity said that it made them "a lot more satisfied," and another 14% were "a little more satisfied".​

Low Regret Rates:​

Studies indicate that regret rates are very low, with some studies reporting regret rates of less than 1%.​

A study published in Plastic & Reconstructive Surgery found that 99.7% of trans people who had undergone gender-affirming surgery experienced a degree of satisfaction with the outcome.​

Another study found that only 4% of participants expressed regret with some aspect of their care.​

Importance of Early Engagement and Support:​

Some experts emphasize the importance of earlier engagement with care and more support by society in general to improve the well-being of transgender people who seek medical care.​

Need for Further Research:​

While the results suggest high levels of satisfaction and low levels of regret, researchers underscore the need to better understand cases of dissatisfaction and explore ways to improve care for all youths.​

 

[alang1216]

"If" it did, yes. It does not

True but I wonder about the cause and effect. Does the surgery or other procedure cause the higher suicide rate or is it that those who seek surgery are the most miserable with their situations?

how confident are you on a scale of one to ten that the eleven to nineteen year-olds are going to read and follow those directions?

Third, damage done by binding the breasts of a developing preteen or early-teen girl would be permanent, no matter how it is done.

A sports bra would suffice for a smaller breasted girl, and a larger breasted girl would be disfigured by binding strong enough to hide them.

Can you explain why the obvious solution is not to tell these kids that there is no one way to be a boy or a girl, and that the path to mental health and happiness is to accept their bodies as they are?

Acceptance would always be the preferred path but for some, I suspect, it is not adequate.

 

[Seymour Flops]

True but I wonder about the cause and effect. Does the surgery or other procedure cause the higher suicide rate or is it that those who seek surgery are the most miserable with their situations?

Probably.

But then their suicide rate is higher, lending the lie to claims of reduced suicide.

All of those studies that I have seen puporting to show such a reduction are based on self-reports of "suicidal ideation" not suicide. The self-reporters would obviously be aware of the aim of the study - to promote transgender treatment for children, and would answer accordingly.

That's assuming you could even trust the published results of such an agenda-driven study.

Acceptance would always be the preferred path but for some, I suspect, it is not adequate.

It would be a process, like all therapy. Mutilation and other forms of body modification bring immediate results, but unfortunately mainly negative results.

 

[westwall]

I think the data are complex.

You are accurate, individuals who underwent gender-affirming surgery had a 12.12-fold higher suicide attempt risk than those who did not.

On the other hand is the satisfaction rate for gender-affirming care:

Studies show transgender individuals report high satisfaction and low regret with gender-affirming care, including hormone therapy and surgery, with a large majority continuing to access care.​

Here's a more detailed breakdown:​

High Satisfaction Rates:​

Studies consistently show that transgender people who receive gender-affirming care, including hormone therapy and surgery, report high levels of satisfaction and low levels of regret.​

A recent study published in JAMA Pediatrics found that 97% of transgender youth continued to access gender-affirming medical care in the roughly 3 to 5 years since beginning treatment.​

Another study found that 88% of respondents who had at least one form of surgery for their gender identity reported being "a lot more satisfied" with their lives, and 9% reported being "a little more satisfied".​

A survey of 90,000 trans people found that 84% of people who took hormones to match their gender identity said that it made them "a lot more satisfied," and another 14% were "a little more satisfied".​

Low Regret Rates:​

Studies indicate that regret rates are very low, with some studies reporting regret rates of less than 1%.​

A study published in Plastic & Reconstructive Surgery found that 99.7% of trans people who had undergone gender-affirming surgery experienced a degree of satisfaction with the outcome.​

Another study found that only 4% of participants expressed regret with some aspect of their care.​

Importance of Early Engagement and Support:​

Some experts emphasize the importance of earlier engagement with care and more support by society in general to improve the well-being of transgender people who seek medical care.​

Need for Further Research:​

While the results suggest high levels of satisfaction and low levels of regret, researchers underscore the need to better understand cases of dissatisfaction and explore ways to improve care for all youths.​

No, it's not "complex" at all. In a study with tens of thousands of subjects the suicide rate INCREASED.

That isn't complex at all.

That's cute and dried, and stacked for the winter.

 

[alang1216]

No, it's not "complex" at all. In a study with tens of thousands of subjects the suicide rate INCREASED.

That isn't complex at all.

That's cute and dried, and stacked for the winter.

Actually it is complex since you're dealing with a self-selected group and no control group. Like all human nature studies, it is complex

 

[westwall]

Actually it is complex since you're dealing with a self-selected group and no control group. Like all human nature studies, it is complex

But there IS a control group. Try reading the study. You are painfully ignorant of the subject.

 

[alang1216]

But there IS a control group. Try reading the study. You are painfully ignorant of the subject.

Different studies attempted to control different factors but there were no studies done on identical twins, the ultimate control group. This too is complicated.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Actually it is complex since you're dealing with a self-selected group and no control group. Like all human nature studies, it is complex

I don't know, alang. It sounds like you were eager to talk about research and facts, and now you won't accept them.

The study I cited is superior in that it involves people who actually got "gender affirming" surgery and those among them who actuallly committed suicide. It did use a control group.

But suppose you are correct that the evidence is not conclusive. Why are the advocates of gender affirmation treatment for children claiming that it reduces suicide? Are they mastaken or lying?

 

[LordBrownTrout]

It didn't ruin any of my four kids, or myself or anyone I have known for sixty years, because most people are very secret about it and live normal lives. Yer perception of life and existence is yers, not theirs. If God gave you free will, then let them enjoy it as you have.

Yeah, free will as long as you're not doing bad stuff to kids. That's fine.

 

[westwall]

Different studies attempted to control different factors but there were no studies done on identical twins, the ultimate control group. This too is complicated.

Also completely unnecessary.