Zone1 Lawsuit alleges Harvard gives preferential treatment to legacy admissions, who are ‘overwhelmingly’ White

[Lisa558]

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This is due to the well understood genetic phenomenon of reversion to the average. Exceptional characteristics are based on recessive gene alleles that rarely match in the children of exceptional parents. Because blacks have lower average IQ's than whites the children of brilliant black parents are usually less intelligent than the children of equally brilliant white parents.

Thanks, Hector….I couldn’t find the chart.

 

[Concerned American]

legacy admissions often benefit a university because rich families that benefit from it often give large donations to the University.

Just noticed in the OP title that most Harvard legacies are white. Some people here are taking issue with that. I would be interested to know the ethnicity of most legacies in HBCUs. I would be willing to bet that they are predominately black. See how that works?

 

[MizMolly]

Some people should get a life. Competition is a fact of life.

If you have better grades you should have to compete with someone who doesn’t.

 

[Coyote]

Then get rid of legacies, Dean's Interest, Athletics and Children of Staff admissions. You know the things that benefit white people.

The ironic thing was these things were designed to keep Jews out of these elite colleges, but you still support them.

They only care if it involves Black students in some way.

 

[JoeB131]

Currently Jews are well represented at the best universities. Fortunately, they will be even better represented as the result of the recent Supreme Court Decision. Orientals will also be more prominent in the student bodies of universities.

You think Liberal Harvard is going to take this lying down. That's adorable.

I am not fond of "legacies, Dean's Interest, Athletics and Children of Staff admissions." Nevertheless legacy admissions often benefit a university because rich families that benefit from it often give large donations to the University. Football and basketball are also money makers.

Then please don't tell me that admissions are about "merit". If you can argue having a winning football team has merit. (Even though most athletic scholarships are given out for sports no one cares about, like "Women's Track", which is why they are all upset the trannies can play now!) then you can equally argue that providing access to underrepresented communities has merit.

I noticed that the SCOTUS ruling EXEMPTED the Military Academies. Why? Because they know an all-white officer corps would be BAD for a military that is largely minority. So here's a crazy idea. Let's do selections for Harvard the same way we do them for the Military Academies. Every Congressman gets five picks. Every senator gets five picks.

And all whites have the money for tutors, and all blacks don’t?

There was a chart that showed that poor whites from homes with incomes of less than $20,000 STILL score higher than blacks from families with incomes in the six figures.

that chart was probably bullshit, but you do understand the generational effects of racism, right? I mean, shit you are still whining about the Holocaust, which happened to other people in another country. Now, you try to pretend that generation after generation of bad behavior hasn't destroyed generational progress?

 

[JoeB131]

They only care if it involves Black students in some way.

Well, Lisa freaks out when she sees a poster with a black model on it, so there's that.

 

[Hector12]

You think Liberal Harvard is going to take this lying down. That's adorable.

Since when did "liberal" mean discriminating against more intelligent Jews and Orientals in order to advance less intelligent Negroes?

If Harvard violates the Supreme Court decision Harvard will be forced to pay some expensive law suits.

 

[Hector12]

Then please don't tell me that admissions are about "merit". If you can argue having a winning football team has merit. (Even though most athletic scholarships are given out for sports no one cares about, like "Women's Track", which is why they are all upset the trannies can play now!) then you can equally argue that providing access to underrepresented communities has merit.

Where is there any merit in admitting less intelligent blacks simply because they are blacks? How does that benefit the student body of Harvard or any other university?

 

[Lisa558]

You think Liberal Harvard is going to take this lying down. That's adorable.



Then please don't tell me that admissions are about "merit". If you can argue having a winning football team has merit. (Even though most athletic scholarships are given out for sports no one cares about, like "Women's Track", which is why they are all upset the trannies can play now!) then you can equally argue that providing access to underrepresented communities has merit.

I noticed that the SCOTUS ruling EXEMPTED the Military Academies. Why? Because they know an all-white officer corps would be BAD for a military that is largely minority. So here's a crazy idea. Let's do selections for Harvard the same way we do them for the Military Academies. Every Congressman gets five picks. Every senator gets five picks.



that chart was probably bullshit, but you do understand the generational effects of racism, right? I mean, shit you are still whining about the Holocaust, which happened to other people in another country. Now, you try to pretend that generation after generation of bad behavior hasn't destroyed generational progress?

So that’s the typical leftist response: when you’re shown a chart of data proving you’re wrong, you’re all about “well, the chart was probably bullshit.”

So if being poor explains poor scores (and the chart shows they don’t), how do you explain all the sons and daughters of impoverished, uneducated immigrants getting into City College in the 1940s? They sure didn’t have money for tutors!

 

[Lisa558]

Where is there any merit in admitting less intelligent blacks simply because they are blacks? How does that benefit the student body of Harvard or any other university?

You didn’t get the memo about “diversity,” I suppose. Apparently, lowering standards for blacks is supposed to improve the caliber of the education by admitting less qualified people. At the same time, rejecting the best and brightest because they’re Asian is supposed to help as well.

 

[Lisa558]

Since when did "liberal" mean discriminating against more intelligent Jews and Orientals in order to advance less intelligent Negroes?

If Harvard violates the Supreme Court decision Harvard will be forced to pay some expensive law suits.

It’s the new meaning of “liberal.” Liberals aren’t the same as when we were in college, or even 20 years later. Now liberals want to suppress the most capable and give a boost to less capable In the pursuit of “equal outcomes.”

Did you know that multiple high schools in liberal Fairfax County hid from National Merit Scholars that they received that award? It hurt their chances competing for admission to the most liberal universities, which is what the liberals wanted: to keep the best and brightest down (one guess is that they were disproportionately Asian and Jewish, and relatively few blacks) in order to help the lower-achieving students get a better shot over the best students.

THAT is how you bring about the decline in America:

1) Holding back the most capable
2) Selecting less capable due to their race

 

[Hector12]

I noticed that the SCOTUS ruling EXEMPTED the Military Academies. Why? Because they know an all-white officer corps would be BAD for a military that is largely minority. So here's a crazy idea. Let's do selections for Harvard the same way we do them for the Military Academies. Every Congressman gets five picks. Every senator gets five picks.

Let's not. No organization benefits from lowering objective criteria of excellence. This is particularly true of the military. That is why the military academies should not have been exempted.

 

[Hector12]

You didn’t get the memo about “diversity,” I suppose. Apparently, lowering standards for blacks is supposed to improve the caliber of the education by admitting less qualified people. At the same time, rejecting the best and brightest because they’re Asian is supposed to help as well.

I got the memo about diversity, but I still do do not understand why diversity, equity, and inclusion are superior to merit, qualifications, and excellence.

It would be interesting to do a study of this. We could compare comparable organizations. Let's compare organizations with a high percentage of Negroes and low percentages of Jews and Orientals with organizations that have a low percentage of Negroes and high percentages of Jews and Orientals.

I will bet you a week of enjoying the pleasure of JoeB131's absence that the organizations with few Negroes and many Jews and Orientals will perform better.

 

[Lisa558]

I got the memo about diversity, but I still do do not understand why diversity, equity, and inclusion are superior to merit, qualifications, and excellence.

It would be interesting to do a study of this. We could compare comparable organizations. Let's compare organizations with a high percentage of Negroes and low percentages of Jews and Orientals with organizations that have a low percentage of Negroes and high percentages of Jews and Orientals.

I will bet you a week of enjoying the pleasure of JoeB131's absence that the organizations with few Negroes and many Jews and Orientals will perform better.

PLEASE get JoeB’s agreement to take that bet!

 

[Hector12]

It’s the new meaning of “liberal.” Liberals aren’t the same as when we were in college, or even 20 years later. Now liberals want to suppress the most capable and give a boost to less capable In the pursuit of “equal outcomes.”

Did you know that multiple high schools in liberal Fairfax County hid from National Merit Scholars that they received that award? It hurt their chances competing for admission to the most liberal universities, which is what the liberals wanted: to keep the best and brightest down (one guess is that they were disproportionately Asian and Jewish, and relatively few blacks) in order to help the lower-achieving students get a better shot over the best students.

THAT is how you bring about the decline in America:

1) Holding back the most capable
2) Selecting less capable due to their race

Liberals do not only "want to suppress the most capable and give a boost to less capable In the pursuit of 'equal outcomes',” they want to suppress the truth about IQ, and the way average IQ's differ between the races.

I dislike what has happened to the Democrat Party after 1963. A lot died with President Kennedy.

That is why I consider myself to be a New Deal Democrat. Franklin Roosevelt had the sense to keep civil rights off of the New Deal agenda. I have reluctantly become a Southern Democrat of the old school. The New Deal was popular among Southern Democrats and white blue collar workers. The Democrat Party lost those important constituencies when Democrats began to make excuses for black social pathology.

 

[Lisa558]

Liberals do not only "want to suppress the most capable and give a boost to less capable In the pursuit of 'equal outcomes',” they want to suppress the truth about IQ, and the way average IQ's differ between the races.

I dislike what has happened to the Democrat Party after 1963. A lot died with President Kennedy.

That is why I consider myself to be a New Deal Democrat. Franklin Roosevelt had the sense to keep civil rights off of the New Deal agenda. I have reluctantly become a Southern Democrat of the old school. The New Deal was popular among Southern Democrats and white blue collar workers. The Democrat Party lost those important constituencies when Democrats began to make excuses for black social pathology.

The current Democrat Party has morphed into something unrecognizable, and it is now promoting an agenda that will ensure America’s decline - that of “equitizing” outcomes. In order to do that, they have to hold back the best and most capable and elevate the mediocre and less capable.

I myself used to be a Democrat, and my most recent vote for a Democrat was for our senator (when he used to be a moderate). But he and the rest of the Party are now pushing a socialist agenda, and I can’t see myself ever voting for a Democrat again.

 

[Hector12]

The current Democrat Party has morphed into something unrecognizable, and it is now promoting an agenda that will ensure America’s decline - that of “equitizing” outcomes. In order to do that, they have to hold back the best and most capable and elevate the mediocre and less capable.

I myself used to be a Democrat, and my most recent vote for a Democrat was for our senator (when he used to be a moderate). But he and the rest of the Party are now pushing a socialist agenda, and I can’t see myself ever voting for a Democrat again.

I would consider voting Republican. Unfortunately, the GOP has lost its concern for balanced budgets. The national debt has grown dramatically since the inauguration of Ronald Reagan because of Republican tax cuts for the rich.

 

[JoeB131]

Since when did "liberal" mean discriminating against more intelligent Jews and Orientals in order to advance less intelligent Negroes?

If Harvard violates the Supreme Court decision Harvard will be forced to pay some expensive law suits.

When did it mean discriminating against more intelligent Jews and Asians in order to advance less intelligent whites who families were graduates or contributed money. It seems that you only care about merit when you can use it to abuse black people... Jamal must have really done a number on you.

Where is there any merit in admitting less intelligent blacks simply because they are blacks? How does that benefit the student body of Harvard or any other university?

Diversity, Inclusion and Equity. We've been over this.

So that’s the typical leftist response: when you’re shown a chart of data proving you’re wrong, you’re all about “well, the chart was probably bullshit.”

Well, it's from Grand Kleagle Hector, so it's definitely bullshit.

So if being poor explains poor scores (and the chart shows they don’t), how do you explain all the sons and daughters of impoverished, uneducated immigrants getting into City College in the 1940s? They sure didn’t have money for tutors!

Again, I'd rather be a poor white person in America than a middle class black person, because the discrimination is still there no matter what your economic status. A black man with a nice car is going to get pulled over by the cops, just because.

 

[JoeB131]

The current Democrat Party has morphed into something unrecognizable, and it is now promoting an agenda that will ensure America’s decline - that of “equitizing” outcomes. In order to do that, they have to hold back the best and most capable and elevate the mediocre and less capable.

I myself used to be a Democrat, and my most recent vote for a Democrat was for our senator (when he used to be a moderate). But he and the rest of the Party are now pushing a socialist agenda, and I can’t see myself ever voting for a Democrat again.

 

[JoeB131]

Let's not. No organization benefits from lowering objective criteria of excellence. This is particularly true of the military. That is why the military academies should not have been exempted.

Well, since you were never man enough to serve in the military, you really don't know what you are talking about.

Some of the finest men and women I served with, Officers and NCO's, were black. You wouldn't be worthy to shine their boots, to be quite honest. Just be happy that they were out there protecting your right to hold obnoxious views.

When the Army desegregated in 1947, everyone said it would be the worst thing ever. But this awesome thing happened, they were fine. You got fine generals like Colin Powell, who never would have gotten a chance in your world.

I got the memo about diversity, but I still do do not understand why diversity, equity, and inclusion are superior to merit, qualifications, and excellence.

It would be interesting to do a study of this. We could compare comparable organizations. Let's compare organizations with a high percentage of Negroes and low percentages of Jews and Orientals with organizations that have a low percentage of Negroes and high percentages of Jews and Orientals.

I will bet you a week of enjoying the pleasure of JoeB131's absence that the organizations with few Negroes and many Jews and Orientals will perform better.

I'm sure you don't understand diversity, whatever Jamal did to you scared you for life.