Latino Americans Loyalty

[GHook93]

It's kinda like asking "If blacks are the majority in X state, will they make it part of 'Africa'?" Or "If asians become the majority in X state, will they make it part of 'Asia'?"

Only if your a retard! That is an apple to elephant comparison. First, probably 90-95% of African Americans only identify with one country - America, unlike say Whites. Second, no US state used to be part of Africa. Third no US state borders Africa. Fourth, Blacks are more loyal to this country than most think! They have there gripes and many are just, but the fact remains most only have roots to America and have no idea what African country their roots are from.

Next, we have a majority Asian state - Hawaii. Don't see them trying (even the minority Native Hawaiians in numbers) to become part of say Japan!

Besides, don't you remember what happened last time a state tried to seceed? It's just not gonna happen dude. It's a silly scenario.

That was whites trying to secede, not States trying to become part of another country, in which they could get some international support because of how the Southwest became part of the US!

 

[GHook93]

The key thing is to let them become loyal Americans. Americans usually put their country first...and certainly their children do. Much ado about nada, IMO.

True and I think most Latinos, including Mexicans, once they become more removed from generation-wise from the old country they become more loyal to the state. But things like amnesty or birthright clause doesn't breed loyalty it placates it. All noncitizens and children of non-citizens born in America, should have to go through naturalization! Plain and simple.

Note I stated even if Latinos take 75% (which I don't see happening anytime soon) of the CA, AZ, NM or TX population, I still don't think it will become part of Mexico or separate Aztlan!

 

[Epsilon Delta]

It's kinda like asking "If blacks are the majority in X state, will they make it part of 'Africa'?" Or "If asians become the majority in X state, will they make it part of 'Asia'?"

Only if your a retard! That is an apple to elephant comparison. First, probably 90-95% of African Americans only identify with one country - America, unlike say Whites. Second, no US state used to be part of Africa. Third no US state borders Africa. Fourth, Blacks are more loyal to this country than most think! They have there gripes and many are just, but the fact remains most only have roots to America and have no idea what African country their roots are from.

Next, we have a majority Asian state - Hawaii. Don't see them trying (even the minority Native Hawaiians in numbers) to become part of say Japan!

Besides, don't you remember what happened last time a state tried to seceed? It's just not gonna happen dude. It's a silly scenario.

That was whites trying to secede, not States trying to become part of another country, in which they could get some international support because of how the Southwest became part of the US!

No man, that is just ridiculous. On your first point, you're talking about "Latin Americans" in general, not just Mexicans as you said. Why would immigrants from Guatemala or Honduras or El Salvador want to become part of Mexico? Central America itself seceeded from Mexico; I don't think they'd be down to re-join it. And as you said, there is an Asian minority state, and they're not trying to join any other country. Why would Mexicans be any different? For all the talk of "oh we're taking California back" not even Mexicans consider it a real possibility. I'd see it way likelier for it to seceed as a new country than trying to join MEXICO of all places.

As for "they could get some international support," that is totally off. There is a name for what you're referring to, it's called IRREDENTISM, and it's basically, universally opposed to by the international community and international law. Sure, the US won it in illegal conquest, but it won it at a time when it was still simply and squarely the rule of the mighty. It doesn't quite work out that way anymore, and international law is not retroactive.

And as you said, look "that was whites trying to seceed;" and LOOK WHAT HAPPENED. Imagine if MEXICANS did that not only for an independent state but to join the old country? Oh my god, knowing you guys you'd be screaming for the blood of every man, woman, and child in Mexico within a week. You'd pulverize them. It's just not going to happen, not in any forseeable future. I'm talking not within the next 50, 60, or 100 years.

 

[eagleseven]

And as you said, look "that was whites trying to seceed;" and LOOK WHAT HAPPENED. Imagine if MEXICANS did that not only for an independent state but to join the old country? Oh my god, knowing you guys you'd be screaming for the blood of every man, woman, and child in Mexico within a week. You'd pulverize them. It's just not going to happen, not in any forseeable future. I'm talking not within the next 50, 60, or 100 years.

So true...

 

[SW2SILVER]

Of course, we must ask, what is a "Latino"? Or, why wasn't that poll available in Spanish? Or, why do we care? As Ghook93 noted:" So here is the question how loyal are they to America. Do they considered themselves Americans or Latinos. In the not to distant future Latinos will tip 50% in CA (they are 5% away from being the majority), TX and NM very soon. And will eventually tip the scales in AZ. These are areas that many in Mexico believe as Mexican territory and what racist organization like La Raza believe is part of the Atlzan" Well, when the people in question tip the balance, when they ignore immigration law and flood the place, when they ignore the host culture, when they unfairly change the status quo, in favor of themselves, it makes you wonder. It's like a O. Henry plot. Only nuttier, and more insane, nobody would believe Americans would be so stupid to buy into this shit, let alone enable these crazy bastards and help them steal the land from under our very feet.

 

[JakeStarkey]

And as you said, look "that was whites trying to seceed;" and LOOK WHAT HAPPENED. Imagine if MEXICANS did that not only for an independent state but to join the old country? Oh my god, knowing you guys you'd be screaming for the blood of every man, woman, and child in Mexico within a week. You'd pulverize them. It's just not going to happen, not in any forseeable future. I'm talking not within the next 50, 60, or 100 years.

So true...

The great majority of Hispanics are loyal. Enlisted in higher rates than whites in WWII. All the minorities did, except the blacks, I think. Nah, Hispanics are to keep working on pride, telling whity you outnumber us 4 t 1 but thirty years we are gonna catch you, beat you, and hold a raz induction ceremony at the Alama, screaming "no quarter".

 

[SW2SILVER]

Hispanics are loyal. Perhaps. But what about illegal aliens that are Hispanic? Does it matter? This unprecedented invasion, the past is irrelevant, there is a new paradigm, and these wankers don't give a shit, they have a new agenda. I don't think we can go by the past record, given the fact that the majority of illegal aliens are overwhelmingly Hispanic, now. Were does their loyally lay? It's ambiguous. Who can say, until it’s to late. If they can’t come here legally, well, then they deserve all this suspicion and contempt. Just a minute ago, I go out my front door and there was this little pod of Hispanic kids. They were playing and yelling in Spanish. I am offended by that crap. Really. They just ignore our culture, these wonderful “Hispanic” folks in this new age, it’s a whole new ball game, with new rules and new sensibilities, bubba. The old rules and all that Hispanic loyalty, apparently that’s all out the window now.

 

[GHook93]

The great majority of Hispanics are loyal.

If you noticed where I voted I actually agree with this statement!

Enlisted in higher rates than whites in WWII. All the minorities did,

That was an out right lie! Although Latinos have been consistent in joining the US military and fighting and dying for this country they didn't enlist at higher rates than Whites.

except the blacks, I think.

I am pretty sure the Hispanics didn't enlist higher than the blacks. Remember the Buffalo Soldiers!

 

[GHook93]

If you see where I voted I don't agree with the latino non-loyalty factor. Not that you would check because facts mean little to communist/socialist such as yourself. I voted NO to 50%, No to 75% and Yes to "Hell Mexico will be part of America before we lose land to them. The only one I voted yes to is 90%+ (at that point I think the Old country wins out)!

I have known enough of Latinos (primarily Mexicans) to know that the further generations get removed from the old country, the more they see themselves as Americans and not from the Old Country.

It's kinda like asking "If blacks are the majority in X state, will they make it part of 'Africa'?" Or "If asians become the majority in X state, will they make it part of 'Asia'?"

Only if your a retard! That is an apple to elephant comparison. First, probably 90-95% of African Americans only identify with one country - America, unlike say Whites. Second, no US state used to be part of Africa. Third no US state borders Africa. Fourth, Blacks are more loyal to this country than most think! They have there gripes and many are just, but the fact remains most only have roots to America and have no idea what African country their roots are from.

Next, we have a majority Asian state - Hawaii. Don't see them trying (even the minority Native Hawaiians in numbers) to become part of say Japan!

Besides, don't you remember what happened last time a state tried to seceed? It's just not gonna happen dude. It's a silly scenario.

That was whites trying to secede, not States trying to become part of another country, in which they could get some international support because of how the Southwest became part of the US!

No man, that is just ridiculous. On your first point, you're talking about "Latin Americans" in general, not just Mexicans as you said. Why would immigrants from Guatemala or Honduras or El Salvador want to become part of Mexico? Central America itself seceeded from Mexico; I don't think they'd be down to re-join it. And as you said, there is an Asian minority state, and they're not trying to join any other country. Why would Mexicans be any different? For all the talk of "oh we're taking California back" not even Mexicans consider it a real possibility. I'd see it way likelier for it to seceed as a new country than trying to join MEXICO of all places.

As for "they could get some international support," that is totally off. There is a name for what you're referring to, it's called IRREDENTISM, and it's basically, universally opposed to by the international community and international law. Sure, the US won it in illegal conquest, but it won it at a time when it was still simply and squarely the rule of the mighty. It doesn't quite work out that way anymore, and international law is not retroactive.

And as you said, look "that was whites trying to seceed;" and LOOK WHAT HAPPENED. Imagine if MEXICANS did that not only for an independent state but to join the old country? Oh my god, knowing you guys you'd be screaming for the blood of every man, woman, and child in Mexico within a week. You'd pulverize them. It's just not going to happen, not in any forseeable future. I'm talking not within the next 50, 60, or 100 years.

 

[Toome]

I think there's a confusion between ethnic pride and loyalty to the nation. Should there be any question about the loyalty of Spanish-speaking Americans, take a stroll in any veterans' cemetery and read the names on the markers, particularly the ones from Vietnam. In addition to Travis, Bowie and Crockett, defenders of the Alamo had names like Esparza, Guerrero, Jimenez, and Losoya.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I think there's a confusion between ethnic pride and loyalty to the nation. Should there be any question about the loyalty of Spanish-speaking Americans, take a stroll in any veterans' cemetery and read the names on the markers, particularly the ones from Vietnam. In addition to Travis, Bowie and Crockett, defenders of the Alamo had names like Esparza, Guerrero, Jimenez, and Losoya.

To all Latino veterans and those who have sacrificed to protect our country -- thank you.

 

[SW2SILVER]

I thank all the veterans. But, it's besides the point, Hispanics, Latinos. "Minorities" , all theses other folks that are here illegal, well, I would like to have the satisfaction of personally kicking their backsides to were ever the hell they came from. Hispanic, Latino or left-handed Eskimo dwarves, I don't care what group they fall into or what they call themselves. All they have to do....Yadda yadda. This board is about illegal aliens, yes? If they immigrated legally, there wouldn't be a problem would there?

 

[Angelhair]

Originally posted by GHook93

I just urged America to call a landgrab what it really is: a landgrab, just like it has done in the past regarding its native population.
A 'landgrab' that cost the USA $15,000,000 which was alot of loot that long ago.
How many american farmers lost their properties so that the original inhabitants can use them to hunt buffalos again because of that magnanimous, courageous decision taken a few decades ago?
?????????
How many american citizens are leaving their homes and taking the journey back to Europe and Africa?
Not enough.
How many Saguaros will America lose if it decides to do the same again and come clean on the history of Cali, Texas etc...
It's illegal to uproot saguaros.
Here's a deal I'm sure you'll deem too good to pass up:

Recognise the historical truth about what happened in the 19th century and then send the american army to patrol the southern border.
What happened in the 19th century has not a thing to do with the problems of today. Get real and get a clue! 47% of Mexicans in MEXICO would agree that the USA should take over Mexico!

 

[JakeStarkey]

I thank all the veterans. But, it's besides the point, Hispanics, Latinos. "Minorities" , all theses other folks that are here illegal, well, I would like to have the satisfaction of personally kicking their backsides to were ever the hell they came from. Hispanic, Latino or left-handed Eskimo dwarves, I don't care what group they fall into or what they call themselves. All they have to do....Yadda yadda. This board is about illegal aliens, yes? If they immigrated legally, there wouldn't be a problem would there?

Hey, punk wannabee 'silver, ese, you, chuco! The vets would dribble you on your pointy head until its flat then fit you in the garbage can. You are silly.

 

[Angelhair]

First I like to point out that Latinos are not just Mexican they made of many national origins.

So here is the question how loyal are they to America.
They are more loyal to the country which they come from.
Do they considered themselves Americans or Latinos.
If born there, they consider themselves american of 'hispanic' descent. If not, they will never consider themselves from the USA. Their loyalty will forever be with their country of birth.
In the not to distant future Latinos will tip 50% in CA (they are 5% away from being the majority), TX and NM very soon. And will eventually tip the scales in AZ. These are areas that many in Mexico believe as Mexican territory and what racist organization like La Raza believe is part of the Atlzan.
Aztllan is a mythical figure therefore it can't be a part of anything.
Now here is the question when the Latino hit the 50% mark and if a vote came to succeed from the US and join Mexico, would the majority do it?
When they hit the 50% mark, it will NOT be up to them to give up the USA for Mexico - but they are always welcome to leave as the USA DOES have an open door policy.
What happens when they become 75% would they do it?
They can become 100% of the vote and it will never be up to them for the USA to join any country any where. IT'S AGAINST THE U.S. CONSTITUTION and a moot point to boot.

 

[Angelhair]

Ho-kay, hom-bres! Lissen' yup. The immgants who are here, including the overwhelming mega-majority of the 12mm illegals, are 'home'. They are not going back to where they came from anymore than African Americas were going to Africa or CrusaderFrank is going to Iraq or Gunny is going to Pitcairm Island, although their lifestyle would appeal to him or the illegal Euro-Americans were going to leave Mexican Texas in the 1830s. Much greater possibility exists in the nutjobs being rounded up than all of the illegals. So let's work on reform than wasting oxygen debating what is never going to happen.

There are more than 12m illegals in the USA. Try 20-30m. African Americans have been here alot longer than you and I so you are comparing apples to oranges. So we stop working on rounding them up and work on a reform? A reform is what is NEVER going to happen.

 

[SW2SILVER]

What IS a LATINO, anyway? All those illegal aliens that won't acclimate and pose, it confuses me. Anyone know the answer? Hard to tell, and Who’s fault for all this confusion? WHOM is to benefit from all this ambiguity? WHO? Ask your self THAT. Do You benefit? HMMM? I don’t, I suffer the consequences. Did I spell that right, you priggish asshole, Agnost? Wow, that must mean I am right, by your petty standards. Who needs experience? Who needs facts? Agnost?, spell something wrong , yer dead meat, You pedantic mindless prig. You are a cosmic jerk. You NEVER have to deal with the issue, but you LOVE to pass judgment, based on nothing more than superficiality. Guilty as charged, how do YOU plead, Agnost?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Ho-kay, hom-bres! Lissen' yup. The immgants who are here, including the overwhelming mega-majority of the 12mm illegals, are 'home'. They are not going back to where they came from anymore than African Americas were going to Africa or CrusaderFrank is going to Iraq or Gunny is going to Pitcairm Island, although their lifestyle would appeal to him or the illegal Euro-Americans were going to leave Mexican Texas in the 1830s. Much greater possibility exists in the nutjobs being rounded up than all of the illegals. So let's work on reform than wasting oxygen debating what is never going to happen.

There are more than 12m illegals in the USA. Try 20-30m. African Americans have been here alot longer than you and I so you are comparing apples to oranges. So we stop working on rounding them up and work on a reform? A reform is what is NEVER going to happen.

Round up won't happen, and your comparison compares nothing relevant. Get both parties working together for reform, or we will continue with what we have.

 

[Agnapostate]

I think the kikes want to make D.C. mirror Tel Aviv a bit too much, don't you think, GHooker? Problematic, eh?

 

[Epsilon Delta]

If you see where I voted I don't agree with the latino non-loyalty factor. Not that you would check because facts mean little to communist/socialist such as yourself. I voted NO to 50%, No to 75% and Yes to "Hell Mexico will be part of America before we lose land to them. The only one I voted yes to is 90%+ (at that point I think the Old country wins out)!

I have known enough of Latinos (primarily Mexicans) to know that the further generations get removed from the old country, the more they see themselves as Americans and not from the Old Country.

I'd like to know WHAT IN HOLY ****'S NAME has Socialism or Communism got to do with this topic. That is, I WOULD like to know, if it wasn't obvious by now that is just the tactic of the idiot trying to excuse himself from, god forbid, putting those few braincells to work in responding to a post.