Kyle Rittenhouse defense again tries, fails to get gun possession charge dropped

[Devils_Advocate]

That is silly.
Of course Kyle shot Grosskreutz AFTER he had pointed a gun at Kyle.
But LONG after Grosskreutz had raised the pistol up into the air.
Grosskreutz at first assumed Kyle was the "active shooter".
Maybe he was?
A normal person would likely have fired a warming shot before shooting Rosenbaum 5 times.
Does anyone need to shoot an unarmed person 5 times?
I don't think so.
But the point is Grosskreutz was a professional MedTech, so then raised his hands when he realized he was not going to shoot Kyle.
So Kyle was not shooting in defense when he pulled the trigger on Grosskreutz.

And by the way, Kyle did TRY to shoot Grosskreutz right away, but the gun jammed and he had to recycle the action.

The court did not agree and found Kyle did not murder those people but killed them in self defense…

 

[AZrailwhale]

Wrong.
He let his CCW expire, but it was never rescinded.
And you can't get a CCW if you have any sort of significant record.
And in fact, he really was a MedTech, unlike Kyle, who just wanted to pretend to be one.

He has a long criminal history. It’s been posted. I said it either expired or was rescinded because I wasn’t sure which. What I was sure of was that he was carrying illegally the night of the riot. And his status or Kyle’s had nothing to do with the shooting.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Wrong.
Warning shot are NEVER illegal.
Rosenbaum was only HIT 4 times, but Kyle fired 5 shots at him, which is totally overkill for someone unarmed and not particularly threatening.

Look I have a CCW, warning shots are illegal. They can hit bystanders, we were taught to give verbal warnings IF POSSIBLE, then shoot center of mass. According to everything I have heard and my own lying ears Kyle fired four times In THREE QUARTERS OF A SECOND. There was no time to asses his hits. Rosenbaum was touching the flash hider of the rifle when he was shot.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Grosskruetz was shot, passed out, and given lots of pain killers.
He also may have a political motive to not always trust police.
But there is nothing that could be construed as a lie, or else they would be prosecuting for perjury.

He lied under direct examination on the stand. Not at the time he was shot. He won’t be prosecuted for perjury because prosecution witnesses rarely are.
why do you keep telling transparent lies?

 

[Rigby5]

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What?
That sure looks like just an image of Robert Downey Jr., to me?

 

[Rigby5]

You never fire warning shots, doofus.....you don't know where it will go......

Have you ever had to shoot in self defense....? shooting the child rapist was Kyle's first self defense shooting, he was afraid and filled with adrenaline...ask any expert and they will tell you how distorted your perceptions are....he likely didn't realize he fired 4 times into the violent child rapist.

Grosscrud said his pistol was pointed at Kyle.........troll.

That is silly.
It is much easier to know where warning shots go, into the ground or up into the air, than to shoot directly at someone, with everyone else being behind them.
Anyone who does not shoot into the ground or up in the air, shows a deliberate intent to kill.
A ricochet from pavement or a bullet falling down has a very remote possibility of doing any significant harm.

The fact Kyle could have been effected by adrenaline is why it is illegal for a minor to be in possession, why he should not have brought a AR, and why he should not have had a 30 round magazine installed.
You are acting like these bad choices were not his fault.
They were.
All of it was due to Kyle's bad choices.

Assuming Grosskreutz was pointing his pistol at Kyle, how long do you think that was?
Grosskreutz had a full Medtech uniform, with lettering all over it.
So then Kyle SHOULD have been relieved.
What Kyle SHOULD have done is raised his hands, in order to surrender to Grosskreutz, just as he later did to police.
Clearly Grosskreutz had the pistol out and ready due to the shots already fired.
But he clearly was not an imminent threat because then he would have immediately shot Kyle, and he easily could have, at that close range.
But Grosskreutz was the one holding back and not firing.
So then there was zero reason for Kyle to rerack and then pull the trigger a second time.
That then was deliberate attempted murder.

 

[Rigby5]

He thinks but until ruled on he is unsure…

First you wrote it as Kyle was carrying a short barrel rifle and when told it fall under the long barrel rule you pivoted and try this.

The charge was tossed and Kyle was found not guilty by the court, so what you believe should be matter not…

Wrong.
No one ever suggested the AR was undersized.
Barrel length is NOT one of the exclusions to the law making it illegal for a minor to be in possession of a firearm normally.
The exceptions include:
Being at a range
Being under adult supervision
Bring in the military
Hunting with a valid permit

Barrel length is only mentioned in passing, that these exceptions do not apply if the barrel is short.
Ask any WI NRA member.
This is not rocket science, and the laws are easily read and understood by anyone.

The judge clearly was in violation of the law when he dismissed this possession charge, so it will come back to harm both Kyle and the errant judge.
Unlike a jury verdict, this is supposed to get appealed. If not, that would be proof the prosecutor also was biased in Kyle's favor.

 

[Rigby5]

Look I have a CCW, warning shots are illegal. They can hit bystanders, we were taught to give verbal warnings IF POSSIBLE, then shoot center of mass. According to everything I have heard and my own lying ears Kyle fired four times In THREE QUARTERS OF A SECOND. There was no time to asses his hits. Rosenbaum was touching the flash hider of the rifle when he was shot.

Wrong.
Warning shots are required by law because you are required to ensure possible threat has been properly warned to not advance any closer.
Shooting directly AT a person is about 1000 times more risk of hitting an innocent by stander.
While there is still some risk shooting into the ground or up into the air, it is miniscule.
Either will have a tiny fraction of the original energy.

Shooting at the center of mass is more likely to hit than shooting at skinny extremities, but if you are close enough to not miss, it is a lot less lethal to aim at an extremity.

Kyle fired 5 shot at Rosenbaum, and he did not have to assess.
The very first shot is so loud at close range, that the effect even if he missed, should have been sufficient.
Shooting 5 shots is insanely deliberate murder attempt.

Rosenbaum NEVER got close enough to actually touch the flash suppressor.
The forensics testing on the powder burns said 4'.

 

[Rigby5]

He lied under direct examination on the stand. Not at the time he was shot. He won’t be prosecuted for perjury because prosecution witnesses rarely are.
why do you keep telling transparent lies?

Grosskreutz never lied.
He did nothing illegal, so had no reason to lie.
At one time he was aiming at Kyle, but when shot, he could not have been.
There is no way Kyle's bullet could enter and leave perpendicular to Grosskreut's forearm bones, if the forearm was aimed at Kyle.
We do not need anyone to tell us their opinion on this, it is absolute fact.
Grosskreutz's arm had to be perpendicular to Kyle, meaning it was either pointing up, down, or to the side.
All of which would prevent any immediate threat to Kyle.
So there was no reason for Kyle to deliberately shoot a Medtech in uniform.

 

[Abatis]

What?
That sure looks like just an image of Robert Downey Jr., to me?

Wow, you are freakin brilliant!

 

[Abatis]

That is silly.
It is much easier to know where warning shots go, into the ground or up into the air, than to shoot directly at someone, with everyone else being behind them.
Anyone who does not shoot into the ground or up in the air, shows a deliberate intent to kill.
A ricochet from pavement or a bullet falling down has a very remote possibility of doing any significant harm.

The fact Kyle could have been effected by adrenaline is why it is illegal for a minor to be in possession, why he should not have brought a AR, and why he should not have had a 30 round magazine installed.
You are acting like these bad choices were not his fault.
They were.
All of it was due to Kyle's bad choices.

Assuming Grosskreutz was pointing his pistol at Kyle, how long do you think that was?
Grosskreutz had a full Medtech uniform, with lettering all over it.
So then Kyle SHOULD have been relieved.
What Kyle SHOULD have done is raised his hands, in order to surrender to Grosskreutz, just as he later did to police.
Clearly Grosskreutz had the pistol out and ready due to the shots already fired.
But he clearly was not an imminent threat because then he would have immediately shot Kyle, and he easily could have, at that close range.
But Grosskreutz was the one holding back and not firing.
So then there was zero reason for Kyle to rerack and then pull the trigger a second time.
That then was deliberate attempted murder.

Of all those hundreds of individuals in the leftist riotous mob, 100% of those who did not attack Kyle Rittenhouse, were completely unharmed by Kyle Rittenhouse.

 

[Abatis]

There is no way Kyle's bullet could enter and leave perpendicular to Grosskreut's forearm bones, if the forearm was aimed at Kyle.
We do not need anyone to tell us their opinion on this, it is absolute fact.
Grosskreutz's arm had to be perpendicular to Kyle, meaning it was either pointing up, down, or to the side.

Hey dummy, where was Grosskreutz shot, the forearm or the bicep?

Moment of bullet impact:

 

[M14 Shooter]

Incorrect.
Regardless, the verdict is in, and your shitbags lost.
The only question remaining is: How long are you going to cry about it?

Correct.
All you need to say:
1: Not Guilty
2: Your opinion doesn't matter

 

[M14 Shooter]

The court did not agree and found Kyle did not murder those people but killed them in self defense…

Correct
1: Not Guilty
2: Your opinion doesn't matter

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Wrong.
Warning shots are required by law because you are required to ensure possible threat has been properly warned to not advance any closer.
Shooting directly AT a person is about 1000 times more risk of hitting an innocent by stander.
While there is still some risk shooting into the ground or up into the air, it is miniscule.
Either will have a tiny fraction of the original energy.

Shooting at the center of mass is more likely to hit than shooting at skinny extremities, but if you are close enough to not miss, it is a lot less lethal to aim at an extremity.

Kyle fired 5 shot at Rosenbaum, and he did not have to assess.
The very first shot is so loud at close range, that the effect even if he missed, should have been sufficient.
Shooting 5 shots is insanely deliberate murder attempt.

Rosenbaum NEVER got close enough to actually touch the flash suppressor.
The forensics testing on the powder burns said 4'.

Warning shots are required by law

Cool story, bro.
Post the law.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Wrong.
Warning shots are required by law....

^^^^
If you never needed a reason to put Rigby on ignore, this is it.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

^^^^
If you never needed a reason to put Rigby on ignore, this is it.

He's not very bright.

 

[M14 Shooter]

He's not very bright.

More accurately: He lies.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

More accurately: He lies.

He doesn't believe in limiting himself.

 

[M14 Shooter]

He doesn't believe in limiting himself.

... to the truth.
Right.