Killing Ragheads for Jesus: American Sniper

[Book of Jeremiah]

omebody killed ragheads for Jesus?

OK... now gimme the bad news...

Bad news or bad karma, Yeppers?

Was it bad Karma that the top Muslim sniper in Iraq took a bullet to the head by Kyle? I think it was divine justice. As for this guy? He was most likely a pawn used by the Islamists who were too cowardly to try to take Kyle out themselves.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

First point is hardly a justification for war otherwise we would be at war with Israel right now.

Second point turned out to be completely false, especially given the heavy emphasis placed on nuclear weapons and Niger yellow cake that turned out to be incredibly poor "intel"

Third point is true enough, but given what was going on at the time, not compelling. If we didn't intervene with the gassing of the Kurds, then their would be little enough in the way of justification to intervene when we did.

Fourth point True enough, but likewise not very timely, and thus not very compelling.

Fifth point: also not at all timely, nor compelling.

Sixth point coupled with the assertion that Iraq was supporting Al Qaeda was another one of the supposedly BIG issues and it also turned out to be completely fictitious.

Seventh point: you'll have to provide specific cases for me to address

Eighth point turned out to be completely false as well.

Ninth point is predicated on the other false point to be true and they weren't so this one turned out to be rather false as well

Tenth point: Not a compelling reason at all. "oh no country's have political rivals" is not a justification for war; otherwise we would currently be at war with most countries.

11th point also completely untimely and thus not compelling. It is an outdated casus belli from the 80s.

Your opinion of what you believe is compelling enough or not doesn't matter. The fact is, this was a Democrat controlled congress with access to the same intelligence Bush had and they believed it to be compelling enough for authorizing war.

And the fact of the matter is that the strongest reasons for the invasion of Iraq turned out to be lies.

None of those reasons were lies.

Look, I know your can't help yourself, your a retarded liberal. But trust me on this, they outlined their reasons and no matter how much you disagree with it, it doesn't change the fact that a Democrat controlled congress authorized war.

1.) the notion that Iraq was buying yellow cake to develop nuclear weapons was false.

2.) The notion that Saddam was working with and supporting al Qaeda was a lie.

3.) Then notion that Saddam was involved with those who engaged in the 9/11 attacks was a lie.

Those were the primary and most timely reasons that the administration put forth to cite Iraq as an eminent threat which justified US invasion and occupation, and they all turned out to be untrue. You were wrong. Deal with it.

the notion that Iraq was buying yellow cake to develop nuclear weapons was false.

Why were they buying it?

The notion that Saddam was working with and supporting al Qaeda was a lie.

They worked with many terrorist groups.

The yellow cake was found under Bush's watch and downplayed. I saw the report on it. Saddam was in communication with Bin Laden - he was giving reward money to the families - who provided suicide bombers who attacked - when Saddam was captured and the families were no longer getting that reward money they stopped letting their family members - children be used on suicide missions. It literally came to a dead stop which proves that these people love money more than their own children. The bible is clear that the love of money is the root of all evil. Islam gets a big green check for that one. They pay people to convert to their religion. With what they are teaching one can understand why they would have to pay someone to convert. Ever heard of a person being paid to convert to Christianity? No. And you never will.

 

[georgephillip]

I agree, Islam is dangerous to civilization. I wonder if we'll see a new Crusade in my lifetime?

Maybe you should take the initiative and kick one off?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Of course wars are a choice. That doesn't make them "illegal" in any way. To the Muslims it is perfectly "legal" according to the Koran to seize ships, kidnap infidels, and ransom them or even kill them, that doesn't make it right. You also just pointed out that the UN mandate says countries are allowed to defend against threats. That's a very subjective clause. You may feel that we weren't threatened, that doesn't make it a fact.

The "threat" that Iraq posed was supposed to be an active nuclear program and support for Al Qaeda. Both claims were based on obviously faulty intel and proved untrue.

Actually they were proven correct after we seized paper work from Baghdad.

 

[georgephillip]

Was it bad Karma that the top Muslim sniper in Iraq took a bullet to the head by Kyle?

Are you sure that episode is historically accurate?
"The enemy sniper Mustafa, portrayed in the film as if he was a serial killer, fatally wounds Kyle’s comrade Ryan 'Biggles' Job. In the movie Kyle returns to Iraq—his fourth tour—to extract revenge for Biggles’ death. This final tour, at least in the film, centered on the killing of The Butcher and the enemy sniper, also a fictional character. As it focuses on the dramatic duel between hero Kyle and villain Mustafa the movie becomes ridiculously cartoonish."
Chris Hedges Killing Ragheads for Jesus - Chris Hedges -Truthdig
I haven't read Kyle's autobiography; perhaps that account answers the question?

 

[Lonestar_logic]

You really should stop displaying your utter ignorance.

The October 2002, U.S. congress Iraq War Resolution cited many factors to justify the use of military force against Iraq:

• Iraq's noncompliance with the conditions of the 1991 ceasefire agreement, including interference with U.N. weapons inspectors.

• Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction, and programs to develop such weapons, posed a "threat to the national security of the United States and international peace and security in the Persian Gulf region."

• Iraq's "brutal repression of its civilian population."

• Iraq's "capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction against other nations and its own people".

• Iraq's hostility towards the United States as demonstrated by the 1993 assassination attempt on former President George H. W. Bush and firing on coalition aircraft enforcing the no-fly zones following the 1991 Gulf War.

• Members of Al-Qaeda, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq.

• Iraq's "continuing to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations," including anti-United States terrorist organizations.

• Iraq paid bounty to families of suicide bombers.

• The efforts by the Congress and the President to fight terrorists, including the September 11th, 2001 terrorists and those who aided or harbored them.

• The authorization by the Constitution and the Congress for the President to fight anti-United States terrorism.

• The governments in Turkey, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia feared Saddam and wanted him removed from power.

• Citing the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, the resolution reiterated that it should be the policy of the United States to remove the Saddam Hussein regime and promote a democratic replacement.

Rationale for the Iraq War - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

First point is hardly a justification for war otherwise we would be at war with Israel right now.

Second point turned out to be completely false, especially given the heavy emphasis placed on nuclear weapons and Niger yellow cake that turned out to be incredibly poor "intel"

Third point is true enough, but given what was going on at the time, not compelling. If we didn't intervene with the gassing of the Kurds, then their would be little enough in the way of justification to intervene when we did.

Fourth point True enough, but likewise not very timely, and thus not very compelling.

Fifth point: also not at all timely, nor compelling.

Sixth point coupled with the assertion that Iraq was supporting Al Qaeda was another one of the supposedly BIG issues and it also turned out to be completely fictitious.

Seventh point: you'll have to provide specific cases for me to address

Eighth point turned out to be completely false as well.

Ninth point is predicated on the other false point to be true and they weren't so this one turned out to be rather false as well

Tenth point: Not a compelling reason at all. "oh no country's have political rivals" is not a justification for war; otherwise we would currently be at war with most countries.

11th point also completely untimely and thus not compelling. It is an outdated casus belli from the 80s.

Your opinion of what you believe is compelling enough or not doesn't matter. The fact is, this was a Democrat controlled congress with access to the same intelligence Bush had and they believed it to be compelling enough for authorizing war.

And the fact of the matter is that the strongest reasons for the invasion of Iraq turned out to be lies.

None of those reasons were lies.

Look, I know your can't help yourself, your a retarded liberal. But trust me on this, they outlined their reasons and no matter how much you disagree with it, it doesn't change the fact that a Democrat controlled congress authorized war.

1.) the notion that Iraq was buying yellow cake to develop nuclear weapons was false.

2.) The notion that Saddam was working with and supporting al Qaeda was a lie.

3.) Then notion that Saddam was involved with those who engaged in the 9/11 attacks was a lie.

Those were the primary and most timely reasons that the administration put forth to cite Iraq as an eminent threat which justified US invasion and occupation, and they all turned out to be untrue. You were wrong. Deal with it.

Nothing in their reasons said anything about "yellow cake".

Nothing in their reasons suggested Saddam was working with Al Qaeda.

Nothing in their reason suggested Saddam was involved with those who attacked us on 9/11.

Seems you like to make shit up.

What was plainly stated was that terrorist were known to be in Iraq.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

You morons do know that is was a Democrat controlled congress that authorized the war. You clowns are seriously stupid.

Once again basing their decision off of faulty information provided by a Republican administration. Did you guys even pay attention to the issue at all when it was going down?

Simply not true the President does not control the flow of intelligence to the Congress. Nor does he control the flow of Intelligence to foreign nations. That lie did not wash when it was started and still does not wash.

 

[georgephillip]

Suck it Ackbar.

Rhymes with

The World s 85 Richest People Are as Wealthy as the Poorest 3 Billion - The Atlantic

 

[Kondor3]

Somebody killed ragheads for Jesus?

OK... now gimme the bad news...

Bad news or bad karma, Yeppers?

Awwwww... I don't think you liked my comment...

 

[CowboyTed]

You morons do know that is was a Democrat controlled congress that authorized the war. You clowns are seriously stupid.

Once again basing their decision off of faulty information provided by a Republican administration. Did you guys even pay attention to the issue at all when it was going down?

Simply not true the President does not control the flow of intelligence to the Congress. Nor does he control the flow of Intelligence to foreign nations. That lie did not wash when it was started and still does not wash.

Still trying to justify the deluded. Bush assigned all those Neocons into the positions to control the intel. You give a list of 10 reasons and a lot were just straight out lies.

Saddam was actually fighting Al Queda in the north of the country and called Bin Laden
"In the summer of 2004, the 9/11 Commission concluded that "to date we have seen no evidence that these or the earlier contacts ever developed into a collaborative operational relationship. Nor have we seen evidence indicating that Iraq cooperated with al Qaeda in developing or carrying out any attacks against the United States."

This conclusion is consistent with the findings of various investigations into specific aspects of the Saddam Hussein/al-Qaeda relationship, including those conducted by the Central Intelligence Agency, Defense Intelligence Agency, Federal Bureau of Investigation, and National Security Council. The Senate Report of Pre-war Intelligence on Iraq also reviewed the intelligence community's conclusions and found that they were justifiable."


The problem is there was no WMDs. The Nuclear program was close to nonexistent. The chemical weapons he had were way out of date and had a receipt from America on them.
Saddam was holding on by his finger nails and was facing an Arab Spring type of event anyway.
There was worse guys to invade if felt like bombing somewhere.

But the real crime is that the Bush Administration saw 3000 Americans die and they figured out that they use there dead bodies to invade some place that was not responsible. Might as well pissed on their graves.

But there is still dumb ***** hanging around like you who will defend the indefensible. Your a useful soldier in the fight for stupidity.

Now lets see you back up some of your claims with some real hard facts.

Colin Powell who is one of the main reasons people accepted the facts has regretted his actions.
USATODAY.com - Powell calls pre-Iraq U.N. speech a blot on his record
I actually feel sorry for the man, as I don't think he wished to do something wrong. He strikes me of a man with integrity who made a mistake.

 

[Billo_Really]

Chris Hedges has covered war zones from central America to Bosnia to Palestine, and Iraq for most of his life. His take on Chris Kyle isn't flattering:

"Kyle was given the nickname 'Legend.'

"He got a tattoo of a Crusader cross on his arm. 'I wanted everyone to know I was a Christian.

"I had it put in red, for blood.

"I hated the damn savages I’d been fighting,' he wrote. 'I always will.'

"Following a day of sniping, after killing perhaps as many as six people, he would go back to his barracks to spent his time smoking Cuban Romeo y Julieta No. 3 cigars and 'playing video games, watching porn and working out.'

"On leave, something omitted in the movie, he was frequently arrested for drunken bar fights. He dismissed politicians, hated the press and disdained superior officers, exalting only the comradeship of warriors.

"His memoir glorifies white, 'Christian' supremacy and war.

"It is an angry tirade directed against anyone who questions the military’s elite, professional killers."

Chris Kyle: American psychopath.

Chris Hedges Killing Ragheads for Jesus - Chris Hedges -Truthdig

The end of that article say's it all...


The culture of war banishes the capacity for pity.

It glorifies self-sacrifice and death.

It sees pain, ritual humiliation and violence as part of an initiation into manhood.

The culture of war idealizes only the warrior.

It belittles those who do not exhibit the warrior’s “manly” virtues.

It places a premium on obedience and loyalty.

It punishes those who engage in independent thought and demands total conformity.

It elevates cruelty and killing to a virtue.

This culture, once it infects wider society, destroys all that makes the heights of human civilization and democracy possible.

The capacity for empathy, the cultivation of wisdom and understanding, the tolerance and respect for difference and even love are ruthlessly crushed.

The innate barbarity that war and violence breed is justified by a saccharine sentimentality about the nation, the flag and a perverted Christianity that blesses its armed crusaders.

It fosters an unchecked narcissism.

Facts and historical truths, when they do not fit into the mythic vision of the nation and the tribe, are discarded.

Dissent becomes treason.

All opponents are godless and subhuman.

“American Sniper” caters to a deep sickness rippling through our society.

It holds up the dangerous belief that we can recover our equilibrium and our lost glory by embracing an American fascism.


And yet, you have many people on this Board watching war from the "box" in the corner naked, holding a beer and a cheeseburger sitting on the end of their "stiffy".

 

[westwall]

Chris Hedges has covered war zones from central America to Bosnia to Palestine, and Iraq for most of his life. His take on Chris Kyle isn't flattering:

"Kyle was given the nickname 'Legend.'

"He got a tattoo of a Crusader cross on his arm. 'I wanted everyone to know I was a Christian.

"I had it put in red, for blood.

"I hated the damn savages I’d been fighting,' he wrote. 'I always will.'

"Following a day of sniping, after killing perhaps as many as six people, he would go back to his barracks to spent his time smoking Cuban Romeo y Julieta No. 3 cigars and 'playing video games, watching porn and working out.'

"On leave, something omitted in the movie, he was frequently arrested for drunken bar fights. He dismissed politicians, hated the press and disdained superior officers, exalting only the comradeship of warriors.

"His memoir glorifies white, 'Christian' supremacy and war.

"It is an angry tirade directed against anyone who questions the military’s elite, professional killers."

Chris Kyle: American psychopath.

Chris Hedges Killing Ragheads for Jesus - Chris Hedges -Truthdig

At least he killed people who were fighting. Unlike Islamic terrorists who target women and children who are universally unarmed.

 

[Osomir]

First point is hardly a justification for war otherwise we would be at war with Israel right now.

Second point turned out to be completely false, especially given the heavy emphasis placed on nuclear weapons and Niger yellow cake that turned out to be incredibly poor "intel"

Third point is true enough, but given what was going on at the time, not compelling. If we didn't intervene with the gassing of the Kurds, then their would be little enough in the way of justification to intervene when we did.

Fourth point True enough, but likewise not very timely, and thus not very compelling.

Fifth point: also not at all timely, nor compelling.

Sixth point coupled with the assertion that Iraq was supporting Al Qaeda was another one of the supposedly BIG issues and it also turned out to be completely fictitious.

Seventh point: you'll have to provide specific cases for me to address

Eighth point turned out to be completely false as well.

Ninth point is predicated on the other false point to be true and they weren't so this one turned out to be rather false as well

Tenth point: Not a compelling reason at all. "oh no country's have political rivals" is not a justification for war; otherwise we would currently be at war with most countries.

11th point also completely untimely and thus not compelling. It is an outdated casus belli from the 80s.

Your opinion of what you believe is compelling enough or not doesn't matter. The fact is, this was a Democrat controlled congress with access to the same intelligence Bush had and they believed it to be compelling enough for authorizing war.

And the fact of the matter is that the strongest reasons for the invasion of Iraq turned out to be lies.

None of those reasons were lies.

Look, I know your can't help yourself, your a retarded liberal. But trust me on this, they outlined their reasons and no matter how much you disagree with it, it doesn't change the fact that a Democrat controlled congress authorized war.

1.) the notion that Iraq was buying yellow cake to develop nuclear weapons was false.

2.) The notion that Saddam was working with and supporting al Qaeda was a lie.

3.) Then notion that Saddam was involved with those who engaged in the 9/11 attacks was a lie.

Those were the primary and most timely reasons that the administration put forth to cite Iraq as an eminent threat which justified US invasion and occupation, and they all turned out to be untrue. You were wrong. Deal with it.

Nothing in their reasons said anything about "yellow cake".

Nothing in their reasons suggested Saddam was working with Al Qaeda.

Nothing in their reason suggested Saddam was involved with those who attacked us on 9/11.

Seems you like to make shit up.

What was plainly stated was that terrorist were known to be in Iraq.

You clearly didn't even bother reading the list that you posted for me if you honestly believe what you just typed.

 

[CowboyTed]

omebody killed ragheads for Jesus?

OK... now gimme the bad news...

Bad news or bad karma, Yeppers?

Was it bad Karma that the top Muslim sniper in Iraq took a bullet to the head by Kyle? I think it was divine justice. As for this guy? He was most likely a pawn used by the Islamists who were too cowardly to try to take Kyle out themselves.

Now you are just embarrassing... You are using a suggestion made on another forum as fact...

Think about what you are saying... A guy who was in two mental institutions and was clearly mentally unstable. And your view is he turned to Extreme Islam... Chris Kyle deserves better than that...

 

[Osomir]

You morons do know that is was a Democrat controlled congress that authorized the war. You clowns are seriously stupid.

Once again basing their decision off of faulty information provided by a Republican administration. Did you guys even pay attention to the issue at all when it was going down?

Simply not true the President does not control the flow of intelligence to the Congress. Nor does he control the flow of Intelligence to foreign nations. That lie did not wash when it was started and still does not wash.

The president can absolutely promote certain "intelligence" and set the tone of discourse surrounding specific pieces of information.

Need I point to the issue of Benghazi under President Obama?

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

omebody killed ragheads for Jesus?

OK... now gimme the bad news...

Bad news or bad karma, Yeppers?

Was it bad Karma that the top Muslim sniper in Iraq took a bullet to the head by Kyle? I think it was divine justice. As for this guy? He was most likely a pawn used by the Islamists who were too cowardly to try to take Kyle out themselves.

Now you are just embarrassing... You are using a suggestion made on another forum as fact...

Think about what you are saying... A guy who was in two mental institutions and was clearly mentally unstable. And your view is he turned to Extreme Islam... Chris Kyle deserves better than that...

I have thought about it. Something does not add up about how Kyle was killed. This was the 3rd of 4th time that our military guys were gunned down on that particular range. There is something that isn't adding up here. Was he a Muslim convert? I don't know. But anything is possible.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

omebody killed ragheads for Jesus?

OK... now gimme the bad news...

Bad news or bad karma, Yeppers?

Was it bad Karma that the top Muslim sniper in Iraq took a bullet to the head by Kyle? I think it was divine justice. As for this guy? He was most likely a pawn used by the Islamists who were too cowardly to try to take Kyle out themselves.

Now you are just embarrassing... You are using a suggestion made on another forum as fact...

Think about what you are saying... A guy who was in two mental institutions and was clearly mentally unstable. And your view is he turned to Extreme Islam... Chris Kyle deserves better than that...

I've seen your posts on this board before, Cowboy Ted. You should be embarrassed about yourself. You need Jesus!

 

[CowboyTed]

Chris Hedges has covered war zones from central America to Bosnia to Palestine, and Iraq for most of his life. His take on Chris Kyle isn't flattering:

"Kyle was given the nickname 'Legend.'

"He got a tattoo of a Crusader cross on his arm. 'I wanted everyone to know I was a Christian.

"I had it put in red, for blood.

"I hated the damn savages I’d been fighting,' he wrote. 'I always will.'

"Following a day of sniping, after killing perhaps as many as six people, he would go back to his barracks to spent his time smoking Cuban Romeo y Julieta No. 3 cigars and 'playing video games, watching porn and working out.'

"On leave, something omitted in the movie, he was frequently arrested for drunken bar fights. He dismissed politicians, hated the press and disdained superior officers, exalting only the comradeship of warriors.

"His memoir glorifies white, 'Christian' supremacy and war.

"It is an angry tirade directed against anyone who questions the military’s elite, professional killers."

Chris Kyle: American psychopath.

Chris Hedges Killing Ragheads for Jesus - Chris Hedges -Truthdig

At least he killed people who were fighting. Unlike Islamic terrorists who target women and children who are universally unarmed.

I think they use the same reason as US on that, Collateral Damage... Neither side can claim they are better in Iraq on treatment of the civilian population. Starting a war is a war crime too.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Your opinion of what you believe is compelling enough or not doesn't matter. The fact is, this was a Democrat controlled congress with access to the same intelligence Bush had and they believed it to be compelling enough for authorizing war.

And the fact of the matter is that the strongest reasons for the invasion of Iraq turned out to be lies.

None of those reasons were lies.

Look, I know your can't help yourself, your a retarded liberal. But trust me on this, they outlined their reasons and no matter how much you disagree with it, it doesn't change the fact that a Democrat controlled congress authorized war.

1.) the notion that Iraq was buying yellow cake to develop nuclear weapons was false.

2.) The notion that Saddam was working with and supporting al Qaeda was a lie.

3.) Then notion that Saddam was involved with those who engaged in the 9/11 attacks was a lie.

Those were the primary and most timely reasons that the administration put forth to cite Iraq as an eminent threat which justified US invasion and occupation, and they all turned out to be untrue. You were wrong. Deal with it.

Nothing in their reasons said anything about "yellow cake".

Nothing in their reasons suggested Saddam was working with Al Qaeda.

Nothing in their reason suggested Saddam was involved with those who attacked us on 9/11.

Seems you like to make shit up.

What was plainly stated was that terrorist were known to be in Iraq.

You clearly didn't even bother reading the list that you posted for me if you honestly believe what you just typed.

Yes I read it very clearly and I stand by my response.

 

[LogikAndReazon]

The poor progressive communists still drooling incoherently over Iraq and every other illegal , oppressive, imperialist, capitalist, expanionist, corporatist, resource stealing, occupying, aggressive wars that we ummmm "start".
Mean, terrorist , bullies that we are eh COMRADES....