Khaled Masha'al "We reject today...and will reject in the future"

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh come now!

Nice duck, and inaccurate too.

(QUESTION)

What did I duck?

What is inaccurate?

v/r
R

Recalling its relevant resolutions which affirm the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination,

1. Reaffirms the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, including:

(a) The right to self-determination without external interference;

(b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;

2. Reaffirms also the inalienable right of the Palestinians to return to their homes and property from which they have been displaced and uprooted, and calls for their return;

A/RES/3236 (XXIX) of 22 November 1974

What do they mean by "in Palestine" when you say there was no such place?

They are reaffirming already existing inalienable rights.

When, and under what circumstances, did they get these rights?

 

[BillyP]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh come now!

Nice duck, and inaccurate too.

(QUESTION)

What did I duck?

What is inaccurate?

v/r
R

Recalling its relevant resolutions which affirm the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination,

1. Reaffirms the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, including:

(a) The right to self-determination without external interference;

(b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;

2. Reaffirms also the inalienable right of the Palestinians to return to their homes and property from which they have been displaced and uprooted, and calls for their return;

A/RES/3236 (XXIX) of 22 November 1974

What do they mean by "in Palestine" when you say there was no such place?

They are reaffirming already existing inalienable rights.

When, and under what circumstances, did they get these rights?

When are you giving your land back to the indians?

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

It is both a good and a reasonable set of questions.

P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh come now!

Nice duck, and inaccurate too.

(QUESTION)

What did I duck?

What is inaccurate?

v/r
R

Recalling its relevant resolutions which affirm the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination,

1. Reaffirms the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, including:

(a) The right to self-determination without external interference;

(b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;

2. Reaffirms also the inalienable right of the Palestinians to return to their homes and property from which they have been displaced and uprooted, and calls for their return;

A/RES/3236 (XXIX) of 22 November 1974

What do they mean by "in Palestine" when you say there was no such place?

They are reaffirming already existing inalienable rights.

When, and under what circumstances, did they get these rights?

(COMMENT)

• What do they mean by "in Palestine?"
  • The UN, adopting the topic of the Israeli-Arab Palestinian Conflict, took up the name "Palestine" from the former Mandate. The UN Topic Heading, as you will notice on many documents reads: "The Question of Palestine." (As in the title of: A/RES/3236 (XXIX). Question of Palestine, and Resolution 181 (II). Future government of Palestine.) It is derived from the original source, the Palestine Order in Council, which defined "Palestine" as the "the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies." It hasn't change in nearly a century (92 years this August). Today, it is merely meaning the territories to which the former Mandate applied.
    
  • At that time (1974, when A/RES/3236 was written), the Gaza Strip was formerly Occupied by Egypt, and the West Bank was formerly Sovereign territory of the Hashemite Kingdom; both under Israeli occupation since 1967. And, of course, there was Israel and Jerusalem. Collectively, the region was to retain the same name as before: "Palestine" ("The territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies.") It was the description that would later be used in Article II of the Egyptian-Israeli Peace Treaty (international boundary between Egypt and the former mandated territory of Palestine), and again similar to the language found in Article III of the Jordanian-Israeli Peace Treaty (boundary definition under the Mandate).

(SIDEBAR NOTE)

Pursuant to General Assembly resolution 32/40 B of 2 December 1977, the International Day of Solidarity with the Palestinian People is observed annually on or around 29 November, solemnly commemorating the adoption by the Assembly, on 29 November 1947, of resolution 181 (II), which provided for the partition of Palestine into two States. The observance is held at United Nations Headquarters, the United Nations Offices at Geneva and Vienna and elsewhere.

SOURCE: DIVISION FOR PALESTINIAN RIGHTS

• When, and under what circumstances, did they get these rights?
  • In 1975, by its resolution 3376 the General Assembly established the Committee on the Exercise of the Inalienable Rights of the Palestinian People (CEIRPP) and in December 1977, a decade before the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) declared independence, the UN created a Division called the "Division for Palestinian Rights;" although it is still sometime referred to as a "committee." [These two activities (CEIRPP - '75 and DPR - '77) are often confused with each other.] You will note that they post date A/RES/3236 (XXIX) 22 November 1974 which reaffirms "inalienable rights" (rights which are incapable of being transferred to another or others). This is because, the UN (as a body) established in 1974 that it has no authority to deny a right to which man is born with, self-determination (a theory of motivation that aims to explain individuals’ goal-directed behavior - determination by oneself or itself, without outside influence) being one of them.
    
    

    In 1975, by its resolution 3376 the UN General Assembly established the Committee on the Exercise of the Inalienable Rights of the Palestinian People (CEIRPP), and requested it to recommend a programme of implementation to enable the Palestinian people to exercise their inalienable rights to self-determination without external interference, national independence and sovereignty; and to return to their homes and property from which they had been displaced.
    
    SOURCE: UN COMMITTEE ON THE EXERCISE OF THE INALIENABLE RIGHTS OF THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE

  • The right of "self-determination without external interference," in terms of the UN, dates back to Article 1(2) and Articles 55/56 of the Charter. However, the theory dates back to the dawn of civilization. Other than the stipulation by the UN that the "right of self-determination" is inalienable, "inalienable rights" are largely undefined. The UN, in contrast, established the 30 Articles in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR), adopted in December 1948. The UDHR covers nearly all the basic freedoms that we would normally associate with a modern 21st Century Society; but, oddly enough, it does not mention the right of self-determination or self government.
    
    The action plan for the "Right to self-determination and to national independence and sovereignty" is outlined in S/12090 29 May 1976 With emphasis on Part IV, Section "D", REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE ON THE EXERCISE OF THE INALIENABLE RIGHTS OF THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE; accordance with the provisions of paragraph 7 of General Assembly resolution 3376 (XXX).

(SPECIAL NOTE)

While a vast majority of these documents focus on the Palestinians, nothing in them diminishes the "rights of the Israelis." No right of the Palestinian can counter a right of the Israeli. The Israeli has the exact same rights as the Palestinian.

I hope I was able to answer your question.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

P F Tinmore, et al,

It is both a good and a reasonable set of questions.

P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh come now!


(QUESTION)

What did I duck?

What is inaccurate?

v/r
R

What do they mean by "in Palestine" when you say there was no such place?

They are reaffirming already existing inalienable rights.

When, and under what circumstances, did they get these rights?

(COMMENT)

• What do they mean by "in Palestine?"
  • The UN, adopting the topic of the Israeli-Arab Palestinian Conflict, took up the name "Palestine" from the former Mandate. The UN Topic Heading, as you will notice on many documents reads: "The Question of Palestine." (As in the title of: A/RES/3236 (XXIX). Question of Palestine, and Resolution 181 (II). Future government of Palestine.) It is derived from the original source, the Palestine Order in Council, which defined "Palestine" as the "the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies." It hasn't change in nearly a century (92 years this August). Today, it is merely meaning the territories to which the former Mandate applied.
    
  • At that time (1974, when A/RES/3236 was written), the Gaza Strip was formerly Occupied by Egypt, and the West Bank was formerly Sovereign territory of the Hashemite Kingdom; both under Israeli occupation since 1967. And, of course, there was Israel and Jerusalem. Collectively, the region was to retain the same name as before: "Palestine" ("The territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies.") It was the description that would later be used in Article II of the Egyptian-Israeli Peace Treaty (international boundary between Egypt and the former mandated territory of Palestine), and again similar to the language found in Article III of the Jordanian-Israeli Peace Treaty (boundary definition under the Mandate).

(SIDEBAR NOTE)

Pursuant to General Assembly resolution 32/40 B of 2 December 1977, the International Day of Solidarity with the Palestinian People is observed annually on or around 29 November, solemnly commemorating the adoption by the Assembly, on 29 November 1947, of resolution 181 (II), which provided for the partition of Palestine into two States. The observance is held at United Nations Headquarters, the United Nations Offices at Geneva and Vienna and elsewhere.

SOURCE: DIVISION FOR PALESTINIAN RIGHTS

• When, and under what circumstances, did they get these rights?
  • In 1975, by its resolution 3376 the General Assembly established the Committee on the Exercise of the Inalienable Rights of the Palestinian People (CEIRPP) and in December 1977, a decade before the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) declared independence, the UN created a Division called the "Division for Palestinian Rights;" although it is still sometime referred to as a "committee." [These two activities (CEIRPP - '75 and DPR - '77) are often confused with each other.] You will note that they post date A/RES/3236 (XXIX) 22 November 1974 which reaffirms "inalienable rights" (rights which are incapable of being transferred to another or others). This is because, the UN (as a body) established in 1974 that it has no authority to deny a right to which man is born with, self-determination (a theory of motivation that aims to explain individuals’ goal-directed behavior - determination by oneself or itself, without outside influence) being one of them.
    
    

    In 1975, by its resolution 3376 the UN General Assembly established the Committee on the Exercise of the Inalienable Rights of the Palestinian People (CEIRPP), and requested it to recommend a programme of implementation to enable the Palestinian people to exercise their inalienable rights to self-determination without external interference, national independence and sovereignty; and to return to their homes and property from which they had been displaced.
    
    SOURCE: UN COMMITTEE ON THE EXERCISE OF THE INALIENABLE RIGHTS OF THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE

  • The right of "self-determination without external interference," in terms of the UN, dates back to Article 1(2) and Articles 55/56 of the Charter. However, the theory dates back to the dawn of civilization. Other than the stipulation by the UN that the "right of self-determination" is inalienable, "inalienable rights" are largely undefined. The UN, in contrast, established the 30 Articles in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR), adopted in December 1948. The UDHR covers nearly all the basic freedoms that we would normally associate with a modern 21st Century Society; but, oddly enough, it does not mention the right of self-determination or self government.
    
    The action plan for the "Right to self-determination and to national independence and sovereignty" is outlined in S/12090 29 May 1976 With emphasis on Part IV, Section "D", REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE ON THE EXERCISE OF THE INALIENABLE RIGHTS OF THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE; accordance with the provisions of paragraph 7 of General Assembly resolution 3376 (XXX).

(SPECIAL NOTE)

While a vast majority of these documents focus on the Palestinians, nothing in them diminishes the "rights of the Israelis." No right of the Palestinian can counter a right of the Israeli. The Israeli has the exact same rights as the Palestinian.

I hope I was able to answer your question.

Most Respectfully,
R

Rocco, your patience is incredible, it really is. No doubt tinmore will ask the same questions back to you he has asked a million times before. I hope you save all your replies to copy and paste them back to him.

 

[Daniyel]

Hardtalk with Khaled Masha'al, and interview in BBC (Beirut)

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

Hardtalk with Khaled Masha'al, and interview in BBC (Beirut)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VddeufIB7M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbxGzE4NeLE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yl12BgRH62M

I will watch them tomorrow.



(Did you know Ismail Haniyeh's sisters have lived as Israeli citizens for 30 years and their kids have served in the IDF?)
http://www.jewsnews.co.il/2014/07/27/hamas-leaders-three-sisters-live-secretly-in-israel-as-full-citizens/

 

[P F Tinmore]

Hardtalk with Khaled Masha'al, and interview in BBC (Beirut)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VddeufIB7M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbxGzE4NeLE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yl12BgRH62M

Wow, that was a hostile interview.

You will never see Nutandyahoo on Hardball.

He only goes on Softball.

 

[Daniyel]

Hardtalk with Khaled Masha'al, and interview in BBC (Beirut)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VddeufIB7M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbxGzE4NeLE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yl12BgRH62M

Wow, that was a hostile interview.

You will never see Nutandyahoo on Hardball.

He only goes on Softball.

- Minister Naftali Bennet
Hardtalk are known for being HARD-talk
And spare me the sanity of Khaled, This asshole continue placing demands when people are dying, nut is a soft definition for such stone-heart scum named Khaled, only thing he care is himself and this is not my statement and people charmed like you by - "Hamas the freedom fighters and their devotion to the cause of fixing with Jihad the injustice of the Israeli occupation - the source of all evil" - really think it is possible to make peace with such person then I highly admire your naivety, plus don't derail it to Netanyahu, Khaled Masha'al is the subject.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

Al-Jazeera are liars with their figures of casualties in this video. Still, NB is his usual calm eloquent self.